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December 27, 2022, 07:12:42 PM
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How will we know if Satoshi isn't present? We don't even know who Satoshi is, and we can't be sure he's not working on something else. If he is revealed, I believe he will upgrade Bitcoin with more advanced technology. In any case, he will not allow Bitcoin to be backdated. I'm not saying Bitcoin is out of date, but it could be improved.

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December 27, 2022, 07:13:20 PM
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What would satoshis vision be today? Vision on the ecosystem be different? Cross/side chains...bridges? Or more so just very simple economy p2p txs? So no massive amounts of apps/services/games etc? There are things C does well, just like Haskell, and solidity.. I wonder if THEY would ever come to terms with interoperability. BTC, Ethereum, and Cardano (c  ,solidity,haskell) have some great things coming along.

I suppose Satoshi would have study anonymous transactions. I guess he might have developed the Pandora Cash protocol because, well, digital currency should not be tracked by gov.
What i was expecting us to say, is that assuming Satoshi still in existence it would have rebrand the technology of cryptocurrency and add more things that will keep the movement of digital currencies very safe. From my understanding.

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December 27, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
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We do not know much more about Satoshi but still know that he might be interested more than Just peer to peer transactions. He might have more ideas like Metaverse and other such Web 3.0 technology that might revolutionize in many ways and it could be a future in coming days. So be ready for insane future too.

Yeah, I'd really like to bet money on him NOT thinking of metaverse and Web3 nonsense... one of the biggest clues for me that disassociate Bitcoin thinkers from those buzzwords are... the use of buzzwords like "revolutionise". 9 pages of white paper brilliance and not one mention of otherwise useless phrases like that.

The present's pretty insane as it is from a Bitcoin POV. And it's nice that we overlook that =)

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December 27, 2022, 08:28:50 PM
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How will we know if Satoshi isn't present? We don't even know who Satoshi is, and we can't be sure he's not working on something else. If he is revealed, I believe he will upgrade Bitcoin with more advanced technology. In any case, he will not allow Bitcoin to be backdated. I'm not saying Bitcoin is out of date, but it could be improved.
We can't know for sure if he's still roaming around this Earth or not anymore. We don't even know if bitcoin was truly created by a single person because there are some studies that are suggesting that there's a handful of people behind the name SN but those studies are already pointless because there's no way that we can verify it as it only leads to another dead end.

But one thing's for sure, I know that there's some reason why Satoshi Nakamoto vanished last 2010. We just don't know what it is.

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December 28, 2022, 02:26:58 PM
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It is not what we will do tomorrow, it is what we will do today that has that change effect and in that sense Bitcoin is there available to be kept the same, to be modified and/or improved.

Nothing depends on that today on what SN would do, it is something that is there in the individual to improve it, modify it or simply assume what exists as the best, then transmit that emotion and confidence to the collective.

Bitcoin was not conceived for individualism, that includes SN. Consensus... I think that would be his main thought.
  


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December 28, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
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We can't know for sure if he's still roaming around this Earth or not anymore. We don't even know if bitcoin was truly created by a single person because there are some studies that are suggesting that there's a handful of people behind the name SN but those studies are already pointless because there's no way that we can verify it as it only leads to another dead end.
There is no confirmation or connection whether SN plans to develop a new system for running bitcoin in the future, even I don't see a bitcoin travel system that has been outdated from previous developments. The Metaverse and Web3 are too complicated to understand, for some it might make more sense and there might be another side that stands out more. For me bitcoin has been perfect for its journey.

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But one thing's for sure, I know that there's some reason why Satoshi Nakamoto vanished last 2010. We just don't know what it is.
Presumably SN not publishing the identity is a step to avoid obsolescence of the initial journey after being created. Don't really know where the creator is currently and whether he is on vacation to welcome the approaching new year.

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December 28, 2022, 06:28:58 PM
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What would satoshis vision be today? Vision on the ecosystem be different? Cross/side chains...bridges? Or more so just very simple economy p2p txs? So no massive amounts of apps/services/games etc? There are things C does well, just like Haskell, and solidity.. I wonder if THEY would ever come to terms with interoperability. BTC, Ethereum, and Cardano (c  ,solidity,haskell) have some great things coming along.

Regarding your question and what would Satoshi do if he were not disappeared today he would not stop working on the bitcoin project and w could have had a chance to hear from him and his great project. But in another theory, I think he thing would change because he already done what he wanted to do and achieved the goal and target, other things such as developing the bitcoin project and making it better in up to other developers. However maybe our Satoshi is still between bitcoin developer doing his job.

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December 28, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
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If he were known am certain that he would be having all sorts of startup job offers, talk shows, TV and radio interviews of how he came up with a successful product in the form of bitcoin and am pretty sure some governments would have been subcontracting him to get him to create a national crypto thanks to his expertise. But getting to imagine how all this attention would be knocking at his door step its best that he retired this pseudo character.

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We can't know for sure if he's still roaming around this Earth or not anymore. We don't even know if bitcoin was truly created by a single person because there are some studies that are suggesting that there's a handful of people behind the name SN but those studies are already pointless because there's no way that we can verify it as it only leads to another dead end.
There is no confirmation or connection whether SN plans to develop a new system for running bitcoin in the future, even I don't see a bitcoin travel system that has been outdated from previous developments. The Metaverse and Web3 are too complicated to understand, for some it might make more sense and there might be another side that stands out more. For me bitcoin has been perfect for its journey.

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But one thing's for sure, I know that there's some reason why Satoshi Nakamoto vanished last 2010. We just don't know what it is.
Presumably SN not publishing the identity is a step to avoid obsolescence of the initial journey after being created. Don't really know where the creator is currently and whether he is on vacation to welcome the approaching new year.
Indeed. BTC is in a perfect condition already (disregarding the price of course). It's normal for the price to go down sometimes because this is how thing works here in the crypto market. There will be bears, bulls, manipulations and so on. The metaverse and web3 are in a different category.

It's not that they are difficult to understand or satoshi don't understand them but that is not what he intend to do. He only wants for the people to have a currency which is decentralized and that is already achieved. We don't know if satoshi is still alive but if he is then he must be very proud of himself and he is also thankful for us because we support his creations.

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December 29, 2022, 06:48:27 AM
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What would satoshis vision be today? Vision on the ecosystem be different? Cross/side chains...bridges? Or more so just very simple economy p2p txs? So no massive amounts of apps/services/games etc? There are things C does well, just like Haskell, and solidity.. I wonder if THEY would ever come to terms with interoperability. BTC, Ethereum, and Cardano (c  ,solidity,haskell) have some great things coming along.

Why don't you find him and ask him? Grin
How can we possibly read Satoshi's mind, when he's gone and missing for years?
Maybe he is against Bitcoin turning into a speculative asset and maybe he is against PoS coins. Who knows?
What are the great things going along ethereum? Being the core platform of all the ICO, NFT, "insert random crypto buzzword" scams that have been stealing people's coins in all those years? Turning into a centralized shitcoin? Ethereum had some good things like smart contracts and Dapps, but it's getting from bad to worse recently.

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Centralized doesn't always mean bad.
Centralized coin being sold as decentralized is bad though.

But it is still enjoying the highest popularity just for being the pioneer of the cryptocurrency market.
I disagree because bitcoin wasn't the first, there were other projects before bitcoin attempting to create something like it but failed. Bitcoin succeeded after their failure and it is successful because it works as it is supposed to not because it was the "pioneer".

Bitcoin transactions are slow. it doesn't have smart contract functionality. The block size is small and that's why we are seeing the requirement of having Segwit and LN sorts of addons. To be honest, no cryptocurrency is flawless.
You are confusing limitations with flaws and some of the things you mentions aren't even limitations.
* Bitcoin transactions are the fastest in the world, you are just ignoring the fact that 1 confirmation doesn't mean the same thing in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Some altcoins that are advertised as "fast" require tens of thousands of confirmation (taking weeks) to reach the same level of security as 1 confirmation in bitcoin network. Not to mention that some of them don't have immutable blockchains (eg. ETH and BCH) so they can never be considered safe regardless of how many confirmation your transaction gets.
* Bitcoin does have smart contracts, every single transaction is using it and it is called "scripts". It just doesn't have certain characteristics like "turing completeness" which is a good thing.
* The only valid limitation (not flaw) is the limited block space which is inherited by all blockchain based cryptocurrencies.

Just because some cryptos are somewhat centralized, doesn't mean they are worthless.
I would be fine as long as they are honest about it, but they aren't which makes them fraudulent.

Keeping our minds open will only pave way for more innovation in crypto market and that's good in long run!
Fingers crossed but so far I only see small innovation in small insignificant altcoins that die because someone is pumping another "top 10" altcoin and people care about making profit more than seeing innovation.

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Centralized doesn't always mean bad.
Centralized coin being sold as decentralized is bad though.


You can't argue with this. Charles has been telling everyone on his live ama every single time that ADA is decentralized while he has billions of it and then has a staking pool. 

The regulators are trying to bring down crypto that is not made in US, why will Cardano be ignored by the US regulators? But I'm really surprised why Gensler is not attacking ADA, they could just say ADA as Security but why not? I guess it's not yet time but it will be the next fud in 2026 probably.

Satoshi couldn't do anything but probably just accept these altcoins exist and even the person we hailed to be the next Warren Buffet can be a scam.


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Satoshi would be happy at first seeing such a serious development that took place in the crypto world and crypto is not just limited to btc but many coins and tokens are following now, and the Defi, NFT and metaverse have really changed the way we used to look at crypto. However, he would not be happy at all seeing that btc is still centralized by not being spread into everyone and only a few hold a very big % of it, this shows that the distribution of btc is yet to become decentralised once it is in hands of almost all the believers. There were days when btc was being given through faucets and various tasks, but now, nobody is doing that so there are a few chances to earn btc, but most of us sell it because of IRL issues.
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Satoshi  would have been happy to see what El Salvador country and other countries that adopted Bitcoin are doing in their environment. He would have been happy that Bitcoin still remain the best among other cryptocurrencies which is part of some of the things that is attracting other people to have more interest on Bitcoin, because of what many users have achieved from it.

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Indeed. BTC is in a perfect condition already (disregarding the price of course). It's normal for the price to go down sometimes because this is how thing works here in the crypto market. There will be bears, bulls, manipulations and so on. The metaverse and web3 are in a different category.

It's not that they are difficult to understand or satoshi don't understand them but that is not what he intend to do. He only wants for the people to have a currency which is decentralized and that is already achieved. We don't know if satoshi is still alive but if he is then he must be very proud of himself and he is also thankful for us because we support his creations.
That means the development concept of bitcoin is so perfect in its journey, while bear and bull markets will never be separated from bitcoin's journey and that's why bitcoin is called a speculative asset. But actually that's not the point we want to convey, but if we want to protect the money we have and want to make a promising investment in the future, then it is very appropriate for us to choose bitcoin.

Today it is our duty to protect bitcoins on their way, although outwardly there is no need to do this, because now people know the benefits of investing in bitcoins and the most appropriate thanks we can give SN is to keep bitcoins growing and growing, the rest people already really understand what to do with bitcoin in the future.

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I think his vision would be still the original vision he had during bitcoin's development. Probably would be happy for bitcoin achievements, growing adoption, but not so satisfied with the centralized path crypto environment is taking. His vision seems to be more at the favour of p2p transactions, every adopter controlling his own coins and being independent from governments and middlemen, while what we see are centralized services growing in number, size and popularity. About the number of altcoins disponible I think he wouldn't bother, since he knows bitcoin is unique and original. Moreover, he seemed to be an enthusiast of freedom, so it's acceptable each person creates their own altcoin, if wished.

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Once after giving the best innovation to the world, Satoshi made himself stay away from the innovation. So, his presence doesnt make any big change in the Satoshi away from the network staying in a hidden manner too a reason why the cryptomarket have grown to this level even when there were no bug promotion for bitcoin.
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Satoshi seemed to be interested and focused on digital cash, so safe to assume he'd still be working on Bitcoin the way it is today(with probably slight differences due to existing, newer information). A better question would be if he'd contribute to DeFi protocols and smart contract cryptocurrencies or not.
Agree. Because he wrote on BTC WP that he wants BTC to be electronic cash, it makes sense if he probably focuses on digital cash. Bitcoin has developed much as a digital asset, but it is not very significant as a digital cash/currency. Satoshi may try to find a solution to improve the massive adoption of BTC as a digital currency. It is the main goal of BTC, isn't it?

Regarding Satoshi to contribute on Defi protocols, I am sure he will be interested in this aspect too. It is still related to his vision, he wants a decentralized system of digital currency. He should be involved in the new innovation in Defi protocols.


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