Merit Overflow of ltcrstrbrt

[KingsDen]

everyone can ask for merits ( sending and giving between users, that's the point of merit/smerit system ).. there are many users sending merits to each others even that posts doesn't deserve anything... That's a weakness of it. But that's not the question here... I can receive merits from unknown users and also from relatives/friends etc .. So where is the problem? As I've posted few years ago ( her: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2820019.msg28873887#msg28873887 ) about this system. Only selling and buying merits  is prohibited. Guys, do you have other points of view?

I laughed out loud after reading this reply. Apart from being able to sign a message, this reply is able to convince anyone that the person behind this account is obviously an old user of the forum with much experience about the happenings in this forum.

He sounded so confident and convincing in his reply. This is a type of offence that could lead to red tagging of lower-ranked accounts, but he gave a resounding crooked reply 
This has further confirmed that there are no rigid rules in this forum. Just a matter of case by case. This is the best freedom forum I have seen

[DaNNy001]

I just read the whole conversation on this thread and i just want to say am really surprised how the op was able to survive all this strikes and attacks given to him by other members and i just admire the confidence in all his replies.  This is something you don't see that much in the forum after been accused of fraudulent act, although am a new member in the forum but reading a nice serious conversation helps alot in terms of boosting my confidence in the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So I think unless with these a Merit source it is difficult for them to continue to get more free merits and therefore no one will hire them, which means that they are forced to create high-quality posts.

You've got that right. 

I made a comment about ltcrstrbrt weighing in on the "Goodbye world" thread created by Lauda over two years ago, which ltcrstrbrt seems to have completely missed for some reason based on what he wrote.  Shortly thereafter he sent me a PM with a very long explanation, which I admit I didn't fully read.  Not sure why he did that, but I have a feeling something's up with that account.  In any case, he's not in a sig campaign or bounty (as of this writing), so I don't know what his motivations are.

I just read the whole conversation on this thread and i just want to say am really surprised how the op was able to survive all this strikes and attacks given to him by other members

Who are you talking about, the OP of this thread (Shasan) or ltcrstrbrt.  I'm assuming the latter.

[decodx]

In any case, he's not in a sig campaign or bounty (as of this writing), so I don't know what his motivations are.

He is not a campaigner yet, but he is desperately trying to get into one. He had applied to three sig. campaigns since he woke up from a long time of inactivity.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400828.msg61516234#msg61516234
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.msg61545133#msg61545133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433149.msg61550538#msg61550538

Nothing wrong with that I guess, except that he lied about his "merit earned in the last 120 days". Those merits were not earned. 

[JollyGood]

For now I have given neutral tags to all four members that have been alleged to have participated in merit abuse (as mentioned in the OP). I have also excluded them from my trust. I can revise the tags in future if any further information becomes available but these will have to suffice for now:

~ltcrstrbrt
~speeder
~bluedeep
~Averim

[The Sceptical Chymist]

He is not a campaigner yet, but he is desperately trying to get into one. He had applied to three sig. campaigns since he woke up from a long time of inactivity.

Ah, that provides the motivation for posts like this, which seem very much out of place for a member who has presumably been here since 2014--even longer than I've been a member:

Very sad!  I missed this out. I really liked that girl ( of course people have their own opinion based on their experience). Although opinions differ, this is a big loss for the forum.
Does anyone know what really happened? "compromised account" sounds too generic..

The first post gave me a strange feeling, I hope she is fine and nothing bad happened to her.

I'll miss you, smart girl!

You would think someone who's been part of the community, even with an extended break, would know Lauda's been gone for over two years and wouldn't have just discovered that fact.  Has anyone checked to see if there was a significant change in posting habits in the years ltcrstrbrt's been here?  I may take a look for myself in a while, but if someone beats me to it, please alert me.  I have a suspicion that I'm not going to act on unless or until there's evidence.

[ltcrstrbrt]

Nothing wrong with that I guess, except that he lied about his "merit earned in the last 120 days". Those merits were not earned. 

Interesting point of view... everyone has the right to free speech!!
But this free speech does not mean the right to offense other users!

Calling someone "a liar" without any evidence, represents an offense... What do you think Decodx?

From what I know, offenses are not accepted/allowed on this forum.

I have never insulted anyone on this forum and I do not accept that others to drop on me with offenses!

"Those merits were not earned"- earned .... - define

We all know that the actual ranking/merit system is not perfect. I knew that right after I've translated the New Merit System Announcement made by Theymos, ( in the Romanian Section). Is not perfect of course but it helps. Of course it's better than the previous one!

Dropping with offences on me and get merited by others means "earned merit" ? And there are many examples how users got merited for any posts which with no value.

The merit system should reward those users that create valuable posts, helping others, helping the crypto ecosystem, etc, and hence the forum.

Imagine that I get accepted in one signature campaign, sending some merits to OP. Earned merits of course...

 

I made a comment about ltcrstrbrt weighing in on the "Goodbye world" thread created by Lauda over two years ago, which ltcrstrbrt seems to have completely missed for some reason based on what he wrote.  Shortly thereafter he sent me a PM with a very long explanation, which I admit I didn't fully read.  Not sure why he did that, but I have a feeling something's up with that account.  In any case, he's not in a sig campaign or bounty (as of this writing), so I don't know what his motivations are.

That's right. Therefore, I sent you a PM, detailing the absence/break from this forum starting with 2018. Lauda left the forum in 2020 ( in that time I've missed from here even occasionally I was logged (lack of time). Why a PM? because of sensitive/personal information.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[shasan]

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Why you are creating multiple posts on the same row? You should create only a single post on each row. If you need to add later then you should edit your previous post. I think you should be aware of the rules of the forum. Creating multiple posts on the same row is a policy violation of the forum. Please see the rule quoted below.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

[ltcrstrbrt]

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Why you are creating multiple posts on the same row? You should create only a single post on each row. If you need to add later then you should edit your previous post. I think you should be aware of the rules of the forum. Creating multiple posts on the same row is a policy violation of the forum. Please see the rule quoted below.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

My mistake even I used the " quote" function! I'll take in consideration.
And you too.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0)

[shasan]

And you too.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0)

Thanks for letting me know. But probably you have not seen all the information on the terms. Creating multiple posts on the same row is not allowed but reserve and bump topics are not included in these terms. Please see the text which is red-marked, thank you once again.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

[ltcrstrbrt]

And you too.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0)

Thanks for letting me know. But probably you have not seen all the information on the terms. Creating multiple posts on the same row is not allowed but reserve and bump topics are not included in these terms. Please see the text which is red-marked, thank you once again.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

If this is the meaning of "B.U.M.P" posts, I have nothing to say.
I had a different understanding of what a "bump" post means.

[JollyGood]

Are you able to explain from your side in full detail about why you received merits from speeder, bluedeep and Averim under what appear to be dubious circumstances? If this is all a misunderstanding of events and facts by the OP and those (including myself) that are likely to allege merit abuse, what would you say to try to convince us that we have it wrong?

I had a different understanding of what a "bump" post means.

[Stalker22]

And you too.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0)

Thanks for letting me know. But probably you have not seen all the information on the terms. Creating multiple posts on the same row is not allowed but reserve and bump topics are not included in these terms. Please see the text which is red-marked, thank you once again.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

If this is the meaning of "B.U.M.P" posts, I have nothing to say.
I had a different understanding of what a "bump" post means.

I see you conveniently left out the second part of the rule exclusion. Allow me to be a hero and fill in the missing information for you: "excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter." Sure, now you are going to tell us you had no idea what "reserved posts" meant, right? It's not like it's a common phrase or anything.

As for the rest of your rant, you received a couple of neutral tags from some DT members because of your blatant abuse of the merit system. That is not exactly an inappropriate use of the trust system. So really, what's the issue here?

[ltcrstrbrt]

I see you conveniently left out the second part of the rule exclusion. Allow me to be a hero and fill in the missing information for you: "excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter." Sure, now you are going to tell us you had no idea what "reserved posts" meant, right? It's not like it's a common phrase or anything.

As for the rest of your rant, you received a couple of neutral tags from some DT members because of your blatant abuse of the merit system. That is not exactly an inappropriate use of the trust system. So really, what's the issue here?

Starting many threads in the past, I know very well what " reserved posts" mean. ( getting over your sarcasm )

"because of your blatant abuse of the merit system" - to abuse the merit system and get accused of it you should make two things, using multiple accounts to increase your rank or whatever and paying or getting payed for these merits for the same reasons. OK, "So really, what's the issue here? "

That's right, I received few neutral tags from some users... because :

1. I woke up in 2022 ( and also in 2020 nevermind )
2. I received merits for old posts ( should we consider an abuse? )
3. Those users were inactive also for a long period of time
4. I applied for a signature campaign ( chronological ) and
5. I searched for a loan  of course with no collateral asking two users about terms and chance to apply for one ( and to get accepted)
6. I made a post on Goodbye world thread ( started by Lauda)


What I got? some neutrals tags, and:

offences like : " ltcrstrbrt is trying to take a loan which might be scammed"
"If can gain a loan then there is no chance of repayment. So, we (the community) should be aware of being scammed by ltcrstrbrt. "
"there's a chance they will scam which is high risk of losing money" (who are they?! )
"There is a possibility that the account was sold with the private key"
"Either the accounts that gave you merits are controlled by you (alt accounts) or you acquired the merits through some sort of purchase"
"Now you sound like a (potential) scammer, merit abuser and troll all in one lmao"
"Well, Im done with talking to a troll now Tongue"


What does that mean? Ltcrstrbrt is a scammer, account is hacked, he is a troll, he is mentally ill because he writes nonsenses, he is a liar, he is an impostor, he is a merit abuser, avoid to get in touch with him because he is dangerous ...



 And over again: "So really, what's the issue here?"

Is not about of few neutral tags ( in generally I didn't run for any trusts  even if I made enough transaction here with other users ), but these users correlated their tags with these accusations ( how to tag him if we don't accuse him"

I never insulted other members here, and never made false accusations or caused any prejudice over/to someone.

And what I got?

These accusations are more than exaggerated!

[Woodie]

There is a possibility that the account was sold with the private key. I have seen such offers in Telegram groups and on fiverr.

Back in the day of bitcointalkaccount pricer, I remember accounts were sold in this fashion so not surprising that the trend has continued in the bid to mask the change of hands.

The facts still stand, the user in question recently woke up (after two years of inactivity) and applied for a loan and a sig campaign

For this to have happened, it means other accounts that's have done this and joined campaigns successfully and this could be some continuation of the enrollment class.

@ltcrstrbrt, it seems to me that there are only two possible explanations for the merits you received on your account. Either the accounts that gave you merits are controlled by you (alt accounts) or you acquired the merits through some sort of purchase. Is there any other explanation that I'm not considering?

With most signatures having a requirement of having received a minimum of 5 merits in the last 120 days,this would have been their solution in trying to beat this & wanting to paint a picture they have the good posts on the forum   

[leonair]

Here is the case of merit abusing maybe with multi account--
* Tanvi50_ send merit to 3 profile only 1 merit to cygan and 1 merit to montreal1 and another 29 merits to tjtonmoy in 8 times--------on the other hand--
* tjtonmoy send 28 merits to 9 different  profile and 7 merits maximum to @yahoo62278 but s/he send 22 merits to Tanvi50_ in 5 times.
ops nice merit abusing   and a nice strategy to quickly increase the rank of  2 accounts.

[Plaguedeath]

Here is the case of merit abusing maybe with multi account--
* Tanvi50_ send merit to 3 profile only 1 merit to cygan and 1 merit to montreal1 and another 29 merits to tjtonmoy in 8 times--------on the other hand--
* tjtonmoy send 28 merits to 9 different  profile and 7 merits maximum to @yahoo62278 but s/he send 22 merits to Tanvi50_ in 5 times.

1. It doesn't have any relation with ltcrstrbrt
2. Having multiple accounts in this forum are completely fine as long as you're not use it for bad thing or avoid ban evasion.
3. Abusing merit without any bad activities doesn't deserve to get negative feedback.

So what we need to discuss here?

ops nice merit abusing   and a nice strategy to quickly increase the rank of  2 accounts.

He's already legendary member which is the highest rank in this forum, he only get 32 merits, while the other guy already have 12K merits and his rank is still legendary. There's no such rank increase here.

[tjtonmoy]

Here is the case of merit abusing maybe with multi account--
* Tanvi50_ send merit to 3 profile only 1 merit to cygan and 1 merit to montreal1 and another 29 merits to tjtonmoy in 8 times--------on the other hand--
* tjtonmoy send 28 merits to 9 different  profile and 7 merits maximum to @yahoo62278 but s/he send 22 merits to Tanvi50_ in 5 times.
ops nice merit abusing   and a nice strategy to quickly increase the rank of  2 accounts.

You have got my attention! Here's the explanation!
I got some merits first doing a post on some bitcoin official/unofficial logo. maybe 2/7 still don't remember which was a long time ago!
then comes the bitcoin pizza baking contest....
and the last one was pumpkin carving contest! I was getting a good amount of merits! remember this - till that point, I didn't know how merit works.. haven't read any post on merit. I thought it was "like" as post liking! didn't know you need to follow so much rules to send and receive merits.
So the participant Tanvi50_ did a carving on some fruit inspired by me... so I send him merits. Back then I didn't know... so if that's punishable then you can continue!

[leonair]

Here is the case of merit abusing maybe with multi account--
* Tanvi50_ send merit to 3 profile only 1 merit to cygan and 1 merit to montreal1 and another 29 merits to tjtonmoy in 8 times--------on the other hand--
* tjtonmoy send 28 merits to 9 different  profile and 7 merits maximum to @yahoo62278 but s/he send 22 merits to Tanvi50_ in 5 times.

1. It doesn't have any relation with ltcrstrbrt

I'm not saying it's related to ltcrstrbrt. I have shared another case of merit abusing here.  Because opening a separate topic on this one topic would be a kind of rubbish.  Because there are already multiple topics related to merit abusing

ops nice merit abusing   and a nice strategy to quickly increase the rank of  2 accounts.

He's already legendary member which is the highest rank in this forum, he only get 32 merits, while the other guy already have 12K merits and his rank is still legendary. There's no such rank increase here.

who is legendary member? Here I have mentioned the incident in a full member and a member merit transaction.  Where did the legendary member come from?

I didn't know how merit works.haven't read any post on merit. I thought it was "like" as post liking! didn't know you need to follow so much rules to send and receive merits.
So the participant Tanvi50_ did a carving on some fruit inspired by me... so I send him merits. Back then I didn't know... so if that's punishable then you can continue!

lol you earned 142 merit in a short time where it is very difficult to do But you say you don't know how merit works   it is really funny. However, whatever the excuse is, it is clear that you have misused the merit. There's nothing wrong with having multiple accounts on forums as long as you don't use them for anything bad. You must distribute Merit because for every 2 Merit you are given 1 Smerit. But it is not right to abusing merit

[tjtonmoy]

lol you earned 142 merit in a short time where it is very difficult to do But you say you don't know how merit works   it is really funny. However, whatever the excuse is, it is clear that you have misused the merit. There's nothing wrong with having multiple accounts on forums as long as you don't use them for anything bad. You must distribute Merit because for every 2 Merit you are given 1 Smerit. But it is not right to abusing merit

you can check now! I haven't done such thing ever since! someone already told me what it means and I stopped giving away merits that way! you can check my recent activity and then you can say whatever you want...