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January 13, 2023, 07:33:44 PM
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I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think players is prohibited to this thing. I remembered one time this actually happens in an esport, a certain player who mistakenly announce that they are making bets in their own game and they gets a fine worth a couple of grand, though it is not too big but then we know that some games this rule is prohibited, and it will also affects on how they will behave and do the game. There's a money in the line, they lose focus to the game and they will going to focus in the money.
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January 13, 2023, 07:37:46 PM
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I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think players is prohibited to this thing. I remembered one time this actually happens in an esport, a certain player who mistakenly announce that they are making bets in their own game and they gets a fine worth a couple of grand, though it is not too big but then we know that some games this rule is prohibited, and it will also affects on how they will behave and do the game. There's a money in the line, they lose focus to the game and they will going to focus in the money.
Yes, and lets put up some example.
https://kotaku.com/pro-esports-team-analyst-caught-betting-on-his-own-team-1793025674

This one is pertaining on their Team analyst which means that it would really be particularly be applied on entire team hierarchy.I dont know if their relatives and loved ones
would really be included but as we know that it would be still that included.

Cant see ih physical sports though if there are ones who had been caught.Trying to search up.

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January 13, 2023, 09:07:00 PM
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Pretty common practice by small teams in third world countries, unfortunately. There are many different ways to manipulate match results while only experts can explore such rigged games if they need to do so since even experts can be part of the whole corruption. Organizations that have to audit these type of jobs can not be trusted, the turnover is insane and I have doubts it is transparent auditing, IMHO.
^Of course, it should be through the under-table process, no one probably discloses what they are wrongdoing since this is not allowed to them.
There was always corruption and all of that was made by the organizers, I don't know how to perform a transparent audit but still, they can bypass those processes. But I don't know if you are one of their staff will doing this, once you will be caught there will be a charge.
However, I found interesting articles which are fixed matches is a serious offense.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules
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January 13, 2023, 09:29:08 PM
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Pretty common practice by small teams in third world countries, unfortunately. There are many different ways to manipulate match results while only experts can explore such rigged games if they need to do so since even experts can be part of the whole corruption. Organizations that have to audit these type of jobs can not be trusted, the turnover is insane and I have doubts it is transparent auditing, IMHO.
This is happening, and betting on your own games probably you’ll know what will happen or you are just confident about it. Some players are not allowed to do this but they can easily let someone place the bet to them. There’s always a greedy player and a corrupt system, its just that it is not being disclose for the sake of their own reputation but I believe, many are also a bettor aside from being a player.
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January 13, 2023, 09:39:27 PM
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Pretty common practice by small teams in third world countries, unfortunately. There are many different ways to manipulate match results while only experts can explore such rigged games if they need to do so since even experts can be part of the whole corruption. Organizations that have to audit these type of jobs can not be trusted, the turnover is insane and I have doubts it is transparent auditing, IMHO.
This is also very common when it comes to amateur boxing, since unlike teams in which you need to convince a lot of people to manipulate the results, as long as you can convince the boxer or the manager then you can easily control the result of the match and even the round at which a boxer may lose the fight, this is something I have seen by myself as before the pandemic started I liked to watch amateur boxing live and it was easy for me to see all the money that it moved and there was always a tipster which was trying to encourage people to make bets by assuring them he knew what was going to be the result before the fight happened.

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January 13, 2023, 09:39:43 PM
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Pretty common practice by small teams in third world countries, unfortunately. There are many different ways to manipulate match results while only experts can explore such rigged games if they need to do so since even experts can be part of the whole corruption. Organizations that have to audit these type of jobs can not be trusted, the turnover is insane and I have doubts it is transparent auditing, IMHO.
This is happening, and betting on your own games probably you’ll know what will happen or you are just confident about it. Some players are not allowed to do this but they can easily let someone place the bet to them. There’s always a greedy player and a corrupt system, its just that it is not being disclose for the sake of their own reputation but I believe, many are also a bettor aside from being a player.
The player can be confident, but it doesn't mean he knows exactly what is going to happen, unless he is going to sabotage his own team in order to win a bet he placed for the rival team's victory. That is the main reason why it's forbidden for players to bet on games' results. Anyway, the rule of suspending players who are caught betting doesn't totally solves the issue, because it's pretty easy for them to use a friend, familiar, relative or partner to place a bet on their names, instead of using the player's ID. I guess that also must happen in the sports and gambling industry with some frequency.

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January 13, 2023, 09:42:13 PM
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Pretty common practice by small teams in third world countries, unfortunately. There are many different ways to manipulate match results while only experts can explore such rigged games if they need to do so since even experts can be part of the whole corruption. Organizations that have to audit these type of jobs can not be trusted, the turnover is insane and I have doubts it is transparent auditing, IMHO.
This is happening, and betting on your own games probably you’ll know what will happen or you are just confident about it. Some players are not allowed to do this but they can easily let someone place the bet to them. There’s always a greedy player and a corrupt system, its just that it is not being disclose for the sake of their own reputation but I believe, many are also a bettor aside from being a player.
If you’re just a player it will still be hard to know if your team will win so this is still gambling not unless you know everything especially the contract then you can bet higher and make money as well on your own. This is the best option for the players to hire someone to place a bet since as far as I know family members are also prohibited on some sites. Well, betting can easily be done as long as you know where to bet safely. With regards to corruption, I guess its on a fixed matches to manipulate the standing or to make huge money as well.

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January 13, 2023, 11:16:11 PM
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This happens as gambling platforms give access for anonymous betting. According to rules players should not bet o their own games. Just think of a scenario, if a player have made a bet over his play to score specific runs. His focus will be on the scoring and this will affect the combined effort for the team.

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January 13, 2023, 11:26:21 PM
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some soccer teams in Italy has doing this stuff, likewise "buying" the match and not "selling" as the common practice....meanwhile all staff was betting on these games...
 
Some players of soccers have done the same in the past but they have been caught... it was really famous a player caught while using benzos on the players of his team Roll Eyes
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Last edit: January 14, 2023, 11:27:21 AM by STT
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Bets would  usually be placed via 3rd parties and its still not usually allowed.    In a very new sport it might not officially be covered but clearly its going to cause problems.   Almost always it could be taken as a form of fraud but I dont believe the law will always prosecute this 'crime' and its down to self governing sports bodies to reduce the practise.
  The motivation to do so is clear, if games are compromised it will reduce the possible sponsorship and even investment in teams that play that sport.

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January 14, 2023, 12:25:01 AM
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Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.
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Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.
Currently, betting sites provide more advantages especially a person can bet advance on any particular matches or tournaments. As a result, it is very easy to manage even if the player places the bet himself. However, there is no evidence that the players place bets or not. Moreover, if someone places a bet, they will not keep the proof of it because have the possibility to fall in danger. Whatever happens, not everything comes to the public through the news. So, ‍many things can happen behind the scenes.

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January 14, 2023, 11:38:41 AM
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I think that any kind of betting on a negative outcome of your own team or yourself should be completely forbidden, fined, and that person should receive not only a financial punishment. But I see nothing bad in placing a bet on a positive outcome of your team or yourself. What could be wrong if your strongly believe in yourself, your team and bet on a win? That will only work as a motivational factor. That will be an extra reward. When an employee gets his work done perfectly, he might get an extra reward besides salary. Sport is athletes work, so why cant they be rewarded extra?

I do really understand the point but Athletes is not allowed to bet for themselves based on the sports rule since they are still human and they might be tempted to cheat for there personal gain. I believe that athletes should be focus the sports alone and not on betting because they are being paid big time for doing it. There salary is already enough for them to find an extra income.

They are risking there career for a mere bet regardless if it’s for themselves or the foe since it’s not allowed by the sports commission.

https://bettinggods.com/faqs/can-athletes-bet-on-themselves/

I still think that athletes should be allowed to bet on a positive outcome in their match or team in general. But they should be limited with betting options. Like they should not be allowed to place a bet that they will score, or achieve something - that indeed is bad, as they will try to pull blanket on their side. But if they are allowed to bet on a just a win - then it is ok with me. Specially if this is a team game. They might cheer other team members to play better.

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January 14, 2023, 11:45:22 AM
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Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.
And the player can join those who bet for him to earn extra money from winning matches. This might be a great way to earn some extra money but they have to really keep it a secret from everyone else and after the win, they have to share the winnings in secret as well. This may have been common among players who use these methods to be able to bet on themselves but if this were to be found out, they would all be punished by the association so they could no longer play.

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Before, I also wonder why athletes are not allowed to bet on their own matches even the bet is on themselves. But think that it's prohibited because the match may have the possibility to be fixed.
Moreover, I think their relatives, staffs, and even coaches are also not allowed to place any bets.

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I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?


I think that's can be one good reason for some online casinos when asking for KYC and some other personal information because they want to make sure the players will not bet on the game he plays. Bet as far as I know depends on the country where the rules can be different for example in some countries the players are totally not able to bet in any game and even win games because they can abuse the chance to win the bets and mean money in this way however some of them will use other people their friends to place a bet for them.

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January 14, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
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Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.
And the player can join those who bet for him to earn extra money from winning matches. This might be a great way to earn some extra money but they have to really keep it a secret from everyone else and after the win, they have to share the winnings in secret as well. This may have been common among players who use these methods to be able to bet on themselves but if this were to be found out, they would all be punished by the association so they could no longer play.
They can easily manipulate the outcome of the game very easily if they bet, yes, moreover, if they bet to win their opponent, yes they can easily pretend to lose. Honestly, I don't really know about this, because maybe if there is, no one will know, even if it's the people closest to them, because it will endanger their own careers.
Things like this are also often heard in certain games, for example in football there is the term fixing the score, this is the same type. Even though they don't gamble directly, they also enjoy the money they receive from people who want them to do so.

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January 14, 2023, 08:31:11 PM
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Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.
And the player can join those who bet for him to earn extra money from winning matches. This might be a great way to earn some extra money but they have to really keep it a secret from everyone else and after the win, they have to share the winnings in secret as well. This may have been common among players who use these methods to be able to bet on themselves but if this were to be found out, they would all be punished by the association so they could no longer play.
They can easily manipulate the outcome of the game very easily if they bet, yes, moreover, if they bet to win their opponent, yes they can easily pretend to lose. Honestly, I don't really know about this, because maybe if there is, no one will know, even if it's the people closest to them, because it will endanger their own careers.
Things like this are also often heard in certain games, for example in football there is the term fixing the score, this is the same type. Even though they don't gamble directly, they also enjoy the money they receive from people who want them to do so.

Yeah, if they will be betting with their opponents a manipulation can easily perform and the player will win his bet by simply give the game away, though I don't hear any direct information to whoever player/fighter who done this kind of activities but just like what I always saying, all can be done in the name of the money.

If the price is right, rigging games is not by far. That includes the players itself, even they will not directly use their actual name but they can be represented by someone who is close to them right?

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January 14, 2023, 11:01:32 PM
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Professional athletes and sports players weren't allowed to bet on them or upon the game they play. This is done to have them self control, because once they start placing bets on them, it'll be the beginning to play for his/her favour. Finally his game game will be much based on personal financial gain which is not good while representing a team or a country. For this reason professional players weren't allowed to make bets, but these days there are chances of professionals making bets using the anonymous betting opportunities.
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January 14, 2023, 11:10:19 PM
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Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.
And the player can join those who bet for him to earn extra money from winning matches. This might be a great way to earn some extra money but they have to really keep it a secret from everyone else and after the win, they have to share the winnings in secret as well. This may have been common among players who use these methods to be able to bet on themselves but if this were to be found out, they would all be punished by the association so they could no longer play.
They can easily manipulate the outcome of the game very easily if they bet, yes, moreover, if they bet to win their opponent, yes they can easily pretend to lose. Honestly, I don't really know about this, because maybe if there is, no one will know, even if it's the people closest to them, because it will endanger their own careers.
Things like this are also often heard in certain games, for example in football there is the term fixing the score, this is the same type. Even though they don't gamble directly, they also enjoy the money they receive from people who want them to do so.

i've read from here about basketball game, so it was a local game and the audience spotted some unusual moves and it turned out the game was rigged. so yes, this kind of situation will ruin the career of the athletes involved, depending on the degree of their involvement. because if you are a loyal fan and you've been watching all the games of your favourite team, you will know something is wrong with the game. and this is the reason why you can't bet on your own game, as you will influence the result of the game one way or another.

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