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I’m curious to know if there’s any players (fighters,footballers….) who have been caught betting on themselves or on their own team to lose or win, i know it’s not allowed for any player as a part of their contract for example Ufc fighters are strictly forbidden from betting on their own fights. And the reason is pretty obvious since the player can easily manipulate the final score of whatever he is playing or fighting.
But surely in small or unknown leagues there must be some people doing it. For example a goalkeeper of small devision league in Africa where some bookmakers cover betting on the match can create an account on it, if they ask for KYC verification can easily ask his friend or family member to do it for him. And can earn much money by letting his team lose. Fighters can manipulate that even more.
So i would like to know if you heard of any player been caught doing that? and if my example is right?

In my country, it is pretty common for small-time event organizers to fix games ranging from volleyball to basketball. They'd bet under the table to make sure no one catches wind of it and then let the whole thing play out. Fixing games are happening all the time in regular games that aren't as massive as national level, mainly because of the lack of proper security and integrity. Then again measures are taken and are actively being employed to ensure that these doesn't happen that much. But it just can't be helped, these people will always find ways to fix games and manipulate the odds according to or against their will to earn a quick buck. That's the way of things in amateur sports level.

As far as I know athletes or professional players are not allowed to bet on themselves[1].  But as the reference stated, it is somehow in a grey area where some players are able to bet on themselves.  According to the regulation, although players are banned on betting on the sports they are involve with, they can bet on other sports that they don't have any affiliation.

Although it was stated that professional player/fighters are ban from betting on themselves, several boxers and MM artist are able to do so  why?  Because there are few exception on the rule[2][3]

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[1] https://medium.com/bitcoin-news-today-gambling-news/can-a-professional-athlete-bet-on-themselves-593223b597c3
[2] https://shortboxing.com/why-boxers-can-bet-on-themselves-but-not-against-themselves/
[3] https://www.fightmatrix.com/2022/11/28/ufc-fighters-and-betting-can-they-bet-on-themselves/

We've been hearing out those kind of circumstances but this isnt that likely to be seen on huge leagues or tournaments which it is really that prohibited.If its proven then say goodbye
which you would really be facing up those violations or the worst you would be banned or completely be paying huge money if got caught.
For small leagues or simply with those local games or match ups then it might be that common considering that these games arent really that much big for the
sports commission or something like this would really be minding into.

Yes, it's posible.

In e-sport (Why, I mentioned e-sport because I like gaming). Especially on tournament there a things called "322", meaning like throwing the game and the player betting their own game & get caught winning around 322$.

Feel free to search, everything is possible mate.

It is very possible for such to happen. That is how the name match fixing came about. If a player were to bet on themselves or their team knowingly, it is sure to influence the outcome of the game, hence, it defeats the purpose to which the player plays and why the spectators bet.
It is rather an improper conduct and is a crime which could derail ones career or profession, if such a one is(are) discovered.

You already get the point and this makes me wonder,
Why are you curious then.

It's really that simple for players not to bet on there own games or teams to avoid issues of manipulations. Perhaps in some underground games but some properly regulated games by a body, its just something that shouldn't be done.

You'll have players doing all they could to either win or deliberately lose and that would mean, doing what is unbecoming of a good sportsmanship.
For football, it's a no. At least to the best of my knowledge. You don't don't get to bet through someone else. Perhaps other sports should adopt that to ensure good sportsmanship at the games.

Yes it is possible for players to bet in themselves but it is highly prohibited in the gambling industries.
I'm very sure that most of this strict restrictions is very common in UFC games but I haven't heard of such I'm football and I haven't really thought of them because I haven't taken time to see the possibilities in such because the games involves more then one person and it wouldn't be easy to do such in soccer(my perspective).
I really don't don't know why every evil situation(s) are easily associated with Africans? I think they really need to work on their corrupt system and start doing the right thing

I have always heard that players gamble but I have never been able to see the content of their bets that's why I can't conclude that they bet on themselves or their team. In sports like football, I don't think it would be easy to manipulate the score except if some of the team members are aware or the goalkeeper is involved. Just one player might not be able to determine the outcome of a football or basketball match but one boxer or wrestler can.

But I think this act of gambling on self or ones team should be highly discouraged and should be covered and restricted in the contract of this player regardless of the size or level of the club. Players betting on themselves or their team can kill the beautiful game of sports.

Nothing is impossible when it comes to gambling, but it is a big offense when you are caught,it can lead to your ban in sports. When it comes to street fighters,fighters can place their bet on themselves in other to bring out the best in them by fighting to make sure he wins and also in some local games in an under develop country,it is possible but not in a professional sport.

The same here,some years ago a big scandal was with a couple of best teams of the soccer Premier League we have here.Some senator players as they were called because they were the ones who made a difference in winning most of the games and winning titles back then,were caught drinking cigarettes (totally forbidden for any football player),drinking alcohol (heavily not recommended) and they were caught on a hidden camera talking to each other how they used to fix games.A further investigation was made and they were all put to jail for some time and the teams were put in second and third category.

Now I don't know if this happens again but I am sure that if players of a certain team want to bet on the team they play and to fix the game it is heavily possible from the smallest country to the great ones.

It's been literally done for decades. Here's one example:

"The 1915 British football betting scandal occurred when a Football League First Division match between Manchester United and Liverpool at Old Trafford on 2 April (Good Friday) 1915 was fixed in United's favour, with players from both sides benefiting from bets placed upon the result. In all, seven players were found to have participated in the scandal and all were subsequently banned for life, although most later had their bans overturned."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_British_football_match-fixing_scandal

And it keeps happening right now. In 2017 one guy who represented England bet on his transfer. When the news came out he was banned from the casino without payment.
In English Premier League players aren't allowed to bet on football at all, but they can bet on other sports.

That’s possible to happen or you will just ask someone to bet for you and gave him the money you want to gamble. There are also site where you can place your bet without giving your personal information so probably its happening. Betting on your own game might give you more profit especially if you know what is going on and you know that your team can win. Though some site might restrict you to do this since its like cheating on the game.

These things happens and not just in some low tier leagues. It happens in top leagues like EPL. There is some famous players who got caught betting rules:
https://bookmakers.co.uk/news/footballers-who-have-been-banned-for-betting-on-their-sport
And it's not even about getting involved in match fixing and games where you play. Football players, managers and staff can't bet can't bet directly or indirectly on any football game worldwide, share inside information like injuries and transfers
https://www.fifa.com/legal/integrity/betting-in-football
Though, I'm sure that players from not very well known leagues worldwide are betting on major leagues like EPL or Champions league and not getting caught.
In other sports rules can be different, but one thing is same everywhere - you can't bet on games where you're involved.

The possibility of this is wide, player can bet on their own games and themselves either through proximity so even though players and fighter are publicly banned to bet on their own matches, it's still possible for them to use family members or close friends to make such bet and their clubs will never be aware it.

Aside from that, some other laws may not totally ban the players from participating in bets on their games and are allowed to bet at will.

It's been happening but the players or the fighters kept it to themselves, it's against the rules but if you think your team or yourself do not have chances against their opponents might as well bet on the opposing team or fighter, the organization cannot stop it especially now that we have Cryptocurrency casinos where you can bet anonymously or you can even use a dummy account of your friend to bet against your opponents, that is why whenever we see upsets people speculate that the fight is rigged or one fighter deliberately lose the fight because he is betting against his opponent.
It's hard to stop this practice especially if one fighter can likely make a lot of money, it usually happens in non-championship fights
because in a World title match, there's so much prestige attached to it than money.
 

Am very sure such event will be happening but it will be a secret which they will never want to reveal. In my country I do hear about people asking you to pay them so that they will give you fix matches, but I don't really know where they  are getting the matches from. Am sure players will definitely be making extra cash from their, but that's cheating, they are making use of opportunity, they will be manipulating a game, which I believe any player caught should be punished seriously.

Professional athletes or players aren't allowed to bet on their games. Even their family members and the members of their team aren't allowed too. There's a strict code of conduct on these players that they should abide by all the time, else it's a huge scandal and no one wants that to happen. Ever wonder why when there's such a thing that happens like this, it almost makes it to the news even if the one who made the bet is a cousin or some other distant family member? It's frowned upon by sports organizations, and gives the impression that whoever in the side of the players made the bet must know something is up (fixed match).

It's true that professional athletes are often not allowed to wager on their own contests. Professional athletes have been caught wagering on their own games or contests on several occasions. For instance, NBA referee Tim Donaghy was found guilty of wire fraud conspiracy in 2007 after being caught betting on games that he refereed. Similar to this, a soccer player from Italy named Daniele Rugani was given a one-year suspension in 2013 after being found guilty of betting on a game he participated in.
It's crucial to remember that such conduct is not only disfavored but frequently illegal and subject to numerous penalties, including fines, suspension or termination of the contract, legal actions, and the like.

We do have this.
https://wfdf.sport/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/wfdf_code_of_conduct_on_sports_betting_integrity_approved_bod.pdf

WFDF Code of conduct on sports betting integrity for athletes, officials and event participants

There are already some events which some athletes or officials had been caught on betting up on a certain game
which they do really have been sanctioned and face up some charges.

I believe it is happening but as for me i have never see or heard any news about a player betting before. All this kind of thing may be a secret because is prohibited for prayers.in this world people don't care breaking laws when it turn into issue of money.but what I am thinking it be hard for a players to bet against their team that their team will lose, most of this bet will seriously be for players team to win truly their are betting. And again if prayers are surely betting secretly, it may be even be those league competition that is not recognized.

People that are part of the game itself and their direct families cannot bet in the games, for obvious reasons.

If they get caught then there are huge issues.

But the thing is that of course many people will get away by just talking with friends or acquaintances, even shell companies, etc, to do the actual betting, while they don't seem to be involved in it.

Those things are almost impossible to detect I think.

I've never heard of anything like it, but if it's happened before or is happening now, I won't dismiss it. Money obsession has progressed beyond sacrificing one's own happiness for it. If this is discovered, the player or team should be banned for life. It is a form of entertainment for everyone to enjoy; using it to make extra money or for your own business is detrimental to its primary purpose. This should be frowned upon and not permitted in the sporting world. A match is supposed to be unpredictable, and you being the deciding factor will only kill the game's unknown anticipated outcome.

An athlete is not allowed to do that, this is to avoid throwing the game, shaving points, or whatever they call it in every sport which I think should be the right rule to keep the game clean.
But there are instances where they can get away with it by letting their relatives, agents, or trusted friends do the dirty job. They just have to be careful though if an investigation suddenly comes out. I would not dare if I were a player who earns millions of dollars in a year. It's just jeopardizing the job/career.
Even with online betting now, you cannot escape KYC so they will know who you are.

Illegal bookies are their only way to do it, but will you trust that service?

Anything could be possible because we are all humans, there's no way they could totally subjugate all players not to bet or involved in any games they are playing. Have we forgotten they have family members?
Even as that they could funds their relatives account to involve in the betting irrespective is highly forbidden.

With the major sports in the United States all forms of gambling in and around your sport you are in is strictly prohibited even if it's on a game you have no part in.  To keep the legitimacy of the game in tact they want to make sure as much fixing is limited as possible even though it definitely still happens. 

They can and it's unethical it's betraying your team and if caught doing so its the end of the player or the fighter's career you never betray your team whatever the situation is, your organization is paying you to win and they expect their fighters, and players to abide on their oath to the organization or promotion they are into and besides a fighter or a team owed it to the audience, to give his/their best even if the odds is against them, but its a practice done by many players who are not getting enough payment in their contract, so we can say its an open secret.

In esports, professional players are allowed to bet before and there's no clear rule with that but when the selling of games and the famous "322" for the Dota 2 community started.
It has now come to pass that players still have the right to do that but as part of ethics and conduct, the majority of those who are in the professional career of being an esports athlete, choose not to get engaged in gambling but they do advertise casinos since most teams are sponsored by them.

They can as long as they are not caught and so many players are doing this once they see that their team is heavily underdog and they know that their team is not motivated enough to win the game, players or fighters are the ones who usually know if the team is capable of beating the other team and from there they get the hint if their team has low morale, but if ever his team won you can easily tell and you can suspect someone on the team when he is the only one not happy with the win :D, so check the team that won and see everyone on the team.

Obviously, there is. But still, can they truly trust that their bet will be nailed?

Besides, players themselves won't mind that betting part since they are there to win.

Imagine you are a player, and you bet on yourself, will you really be able to still think about that during your play?

How much is the betting amount to the fact that they need to prioritize it? Doesn't make sense, right?

Well first i didn’t think this topic will get much attention here, thank you for your replies and answers. But to be specific i wanted like more of the games or matches where those player been caught and what was their punishment and who really found out about their bet


As for this exception i think it’s with the fighters where they bet against  each other for big amounts of money and the winner takes it all it’s more known in boxing matches, but they can’t for bet on their loss because certainly it will be weird if both fighters do their best to lose the fight haha…

Main punishment is suspension from future games for a while (usually 16-17 games away). Not only players have been caught, but also a referee and a coach, as we can see on the article below:

Calvin Ridley and 4 other athletes who were caught betting on their own sport (https://clutchpoints.com/calvin-ridley-and-4-other-athletes-who-were-caught-betting-on-their-own-sport)

Although it's considered a serious offense, usually those athletes aren't doomed forever. But the top 1 of the list above, Pete Rose, was punished with a lifetime ban from baseball, including the Hall of Fame, because he was betting during the time he was manager of the team Cincinnati Reds, including bets on the matches involving his team.

I think it's silly that they are not allowed to bet on their events. I mean, it's obvious that they shouldn't be allowed to bet against themselves, because that would mean letting them lose in order to make money. But betting in favour of themselves? Why not?

I don't see any possibility of a plot there. Besides, the ban is of little practical use, as they can use a trusted friend or family member to gamble.

It happens for the small and local leagues, as it is much easier to throw a game unnoticed when you have a few audiences as well. But, for a professional athletes in an international league, I guess it's a no brainer to throw your game just for the bet. I mean, you work hard to reach that highest point of your career, so might as well work it even harder to become one of the best and increase your value/salary. 
But, I've seen some local leagues here that was even aired on a local TV, who's obviously throwing their games away.

A large number of money is traded around the world in every match by winning and losing. Now online betting sites offering many advantages. A gambler can easily bet on many betting sites without KYC. It is not uncommon for players to involve in this site but that would be definitely confidential. However, players are usually not involved in such activities in major events. This can have a major impact on their career. Moreover, this act is completely prohibited in the case of a player. If any player is found involved in this act then he will face punishment. But this is done very secretly. It can also be done through someone else instead of directly. Which is quite normal. Moreover, the term fixing is not unfamiliar anymore.

That is against rule, but I still think there are players that places bets or uses a third party person to place bets on their behalf. I am talking about those not so famous players and players from small clubs that doesn't play on international games. But yeah, it is illegal for them to place bets and if caught, will be penalized and/or permanently banned from playing any games. Imagine players placing bets on their own games and losing on purpose to win the bets they placed...

Is it solely catching the player betting on themselves, or is it match-fixing? Cause I've heard a lot of match-fixing scandals between teams in a lot of sports, even ones that I don't actively follow. Match-fixing often leads to betting so I wouldn't really include that to the scenario where OP is looking for a player caught because of him betting specifically (nothing more, nothing else).

On cases I've heard, such as in this article
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/cs-go-pro-players-banned-for-betting-on-themselves (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/cs-go-pro-players-banned-for-betting-on-themselves)

and other similar ones in eSports are the only ones I've ever really heard, so as you can see, it isn't completely out of the picture for it to happen.

I don't know about other sports. But in cricket, it is strictly prohibited for the players to have any sort of association with betting. And that includes matches where they are not playing. And this ban stands in place even after the player retires from active sports. Some of the star players such as Shakib al Hasan (Bangladesh) have been handed lengthy bans for just having brief discussions with bookies. And in football, although the rules are not very strict players have been penalized for associating with gambling. The most well known example is that of Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was recently fined €50,000 for associating himself with a betting company. 

Ive never heard or read any where that a player of any type of game was caught betting on their own game, and besides, why would any player want to even do this except if he is underpaid.
Professional players wouldn't even have the time to do this even if they don't have any contract binding them not to, since they are well paid for their play.
But yes, i agree that its possible that some players from very small local clubs in some countries would possibly be doing this, and this is for the fact that most of the team in this category are under funded and the players under paid and sometimes over used as well, so it will take a lot of discipline for this type of player not to try other means of earning which include betting on their own game and causing their own team to lose so the player could win their bet.

This has been a sizably big deal in American Sports history. Some of the most famous ones are like with MLB star Pete Rose who’s famously been held out of the baseball Hall of Fame due to being caught gambling on his own games (he would bet on his team). Then you’ve got the recent case of Calvin Ridley, a star Wide Receiver in the NFL who was just suspended for this past entire season for getting caught gambling on his team as well (was for like a silly small amount. Some real sloppy gambling).

Any sports wouldn't allow their players to bet their own game, but of course a small or local league is really easy to abuse it since the players aren't really professional and focus on money rather than their career, accepting few losses are okay for them. This is why I don't want to bet on local league because the security and audit aren't really high as the international league. There's many upset happen on small league which I think it's a fixed game.

Answering the title: If the question is only in the context of sports then it shouldn't be, sports matches make it possible to create winning scenarios. But in practice their bets can be represented by other people and it is common knowledge.

Anyway, I just remembered about this match (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406441) about the blatant winning scenario, lol.

You can search through search engines to find more results ;D
If the player cannot bet for himself, he can ask his friend to place a bet on him so that he does not have to do anything that violates the rules.
So, there must be a player who told his friends to bet for that player so they could get more money.
And it wouldn't get him caught by the organizers or the authorities because there would be no evidence that he was betting on himself.

I think your statement is still not quite right because we don't know how the reality actually happened.
They may bet on their own games without the knowledge of other people or their team management.
If you say betting on your own game is only done on local leagues, that's still not quite right either. Many national or even international leagues bet their own games in the early rounds and we don't know what their goal is.
However, even though it is an international league, if you are faced with more money then no one will be able to refuse it because they play in an international league and are also paid and expect to win for a prize in money.
So anyone can change their mindset if there is a large nominal amount.

They can make a bet through many ways such as paying someone to do it for them or betting with oneself if they are not allowed to do so. But in sports, not all people are into money alone given that in big tournaments they are being paid enough also, they'd be t risk of being sued if they'd be proven to sell their matches. Some players are just there for passion therefore they won't waste time betting on the opponent and win money. But there are times wherein players are forced to do so but it is less often caused of their own likeness. But again, if they would really like to, they would be able to do so. This is simply the bottomline.

Yes,they can bet on their game but it will be on a low key because they know it is against the law as a professional because if a gambler finds himself in a sport he can gamble even some weeks before the day of that event,to make it not to be loud.

It happens very well in my place but I will not call it a professional match,it is always interesting. The players will contribute money to buy a form for them to participate in a competition where there will be prize for the first,second and third teams. The prize use to be money and if the team don't have a sponsor players contribute to participate in the competition.

Depends on the jurisdiction. Like some people have mentioned, in some countries players can't bet at all, in others they can bet on themselves, but not against. I'm sure this is often circumvented as if I were a player forbidden to bet on myself, I'd give some money to my friends and have my them bet on me. Most bans and limits are ridiculous and I wouldn't support any of them. It's up to every person what they decide to do with their money. If they cheat and lose on purpose this should be noted by referees, not by some banker who watches your account to see if you gamble or not.

to see for myself, I've never known anyone to do it. but when viewed from the possibility, of course it will likely happen. even on a podcast, I once witnessed a former slot admin who was fired from a casino for divulging winning secrets. don't know the truth, but that sort of thing might happen to all gambling games.

This usually happens in minor leagues. In football, practices that lead to match fixing are still often carried out by unscrupulous players, coaches, clubs or parties who have an interest. in Asia, especially ASEAN. practices like this still exist and continue to exist who knows how long. one of the factors that makes ASEAN football not better in the world of football is practices like this.

Not only involving the players, there are many parties involved. even though professional athletes or players are strictly prohibited from betting, especially on their own team. but because of the weak system, the lax regulations, scandals like this will continue until something changes. so what do you say and question in your thread, this kind of practice still exists.

for players who are caught red-handed are usually rare, but big scandals in football have happened and I remember the scandal involving Juventus in 2006.

This has been happening in our country and it even occurs in huge sports events. There was once an obviously manipulated game where the viewers as well as the bettors complained. Even the fans of the players weren't convinced with the result because it seems like there was an under-the-table occurrence.
That's one of the reasons why people in our country prefer betting on international sports over our local games. They are starting to lose their trust in the players as well as the organizers.

Same with your opinion, it can happen as there are always possibilities if we are dealing with money. Those fighters or players can easily ask help from their friends or relatives to create a gambling account where they can do the manipulation, but in terms of big league controversial news like that will simply be covered by the organization.

As it can ruin the name of the league/sport, covering the possibilities will be the first in line to protect the industry.

Betting on their own game is against their word of conduct so they will definitely won't do it using their names to protect their reputation.

Yes, they can easily ask someone to do it for them secretly. Maybe some of them are not doing it to manipulate the game but to challenge themselves to win. I'm sure that even famous sports players do it.

Yes and it's also stated in the OP that players can't bet on their own but I think this one can easily be bypassed. Especially if the betting is done only online. We have crypto casinos now which doesn't ask for a KYC. They can also use a VPN and other tools to hide their information more evenly. They can also pay people to place bets for them. Players knows their ability and they can also estimate the ability of their opponents so even if let say no fixing will happen, they still can be tempted to bet.

If I am of the players. I think I will just focus on my career and I don't want to do things which will affect it. Besides, I still can earn and I can earn better once I get popular someday.

This is possible in small leagues where players don't earn too much money, so they can bet on a certain event and make it happen, but for tier 1 leagues, I doubt a player could risk his name and career in order to earn some thousands of Dollars unless he is offered big deal with big sportsbook platform, for example to get a red or yellow card, I noted a lot of cases where players insist to get a yellow card, they were clear enough to think that these players were offered something.

Even though they can do various ways to bet without involving their identity, professional athletes will not do that because they are focused on future careers, if betting is to win/lose then it will be tied to the betting choices that have been made, of course losing choices are things certainty but no athlete is willing to lose just to earn a living from betting but have to sacrifice their sports career.

Yes, I have heard of but a few athletes who were caught betting on their games and due punishment given each according, starting from the famous NFL superstar "Calvin Ridley" who was found to have wagered on the NFL game he played and suspended for the entire 2022 season. (17-game suspension)

Second. "Tim Donaghy", an NBA referee who was caught to have bet on the very game he was officiating and was later banned from officiating NBA games.

Third, "Paul Hornung" who was an NFL star back in the 1950s and 60s, who was caught to have bet on NFL game he played and was issued a 16-game suspension.

Forth, "Alex Karras" a former Detroit Lions star who was also caught on the very act, and was also handed a 16-game suspension.


Fifth: "Pete Rose" a former baseball player who was serve a lifetime ban from baseball after it was discovered he had bet on games while serving as manager of the Cincinnati Reds.


Source::
https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/calvin-ridley-and-4-other-athletes-who-were-caught-betting-on-their-own-sport%3famp=1

Here's a curated list of match fixing that happen in sports https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_match-fixing_incidents, this may not cover all but some of it are the notable match fixing incidents that happen in the past. It's always possible and it might be happening even these days and with the advent of crypto gambling wherein you can make an anonymous account, it may be hard for authorities to check on them.

As soon as a player plays with a bookmaker who has a KYC and knows which player this is, it will certainly be noticed. I'm also pretty sure it's stated in the terms and conditions that players are not allowed to bet on their own matches. In fact, I think it's not even allowed to bet on a relevant match. So not even on your own match, but on a match of another team in the same competition is not allowed. If you only gamble with crypto and a gambling site isn't going to do any verification, you could get away with it. The only question that remains is whether you want to deliberately lose a match yourself.

Each and every sports have got a ruling authority. According to the rules framed by these authorities it is against the rule to bet on their own games. Recently in an incident popular player was found spending on betting and he has been suspended from the team. It was really pity that what he might've won is very small compared to the amount he lost due to the suspension that lasts at least for a year.

this kind of thing often happens in my city when a soccer player bets on his own game and it has been happening for decades. and several times also often caught by gamblers when making transactions between the dealer and the players they are discussing mutual benefits. some gamblers don't accept that it's a manipulation scam but gamblers can't do anything because they have a lot of money from those profits to cover up their mistakes or cheating.
oddly enough, even though there is often such manipulation in my city, gamblers are still willing to bet on the game when it is obvious that players are betting on their own game.

(I tell land gambling)

I think it's crazy to still bet on a game that you know is a manipulated game unless you know what is the final outcome or you have a clue what might happen (game throwing). Sometimes this kind of scenarios shows how people are being addicted in gambling and it is easy to pinpoint them by seeing them in betting in this odd games. I believe that this kind of behavior doesn't put a respect on the players pride since if he is purposely throwing the game to earn money unless the player bet on himself winning on the game.

I think there is a unwritten rule that players can't bet on their own game, but hey some of them are gamblers too, so you don't expect them to bet specially that they are the one who are involved. They can simply asked someone close to bet for them, so they don't have to go to KYC.

But there are athletes who doesn't care, they will simply bet with their face and name, here is one example, and there could be others as well.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2017/08/27/floyd-mayweather-attempted-bet-himself-fight

I think this is much more common than we think.
These "illegal" bets can be made from the player's family to even people connected to the player's manager.

A recent case I heard about was Premier Legue player Xhaka.
In a game that took place at the end of 2021, when Arsenal beat Leeds 4-1. In the final minutes of the match, Xhaka purposely forced a foul and received a yellow card.
So far so good, nothing looked suspicious. However, the National Anti-Crime Agency discovered that shortly before Xhaka received the yellow card, a betting site had registered a £52,000 bet on the player's yellow card, which certainly motivated the start of the investigation.

They are saying that Xhaka may be involved with a mafia in Albania, the country of his parents.

These are just the cases that we know of, many others must still be "awake".

I'm just gonna pretend to have this as a serious discussion but, anyone shoulda known this already right?
Players don't bet on any games at all. Getting signed into the football family, under FIFA'S jurisdiction, there are certain etiquettes that anyone in there must abide on; for example - taking pearls before getting on the pitch -- anyone caught on that is quickly sentenced to jail without much reconsiderations.
Don't you think about the bad effects of anything at all? If you do, then you'll realize that sometimes, a player could even go as far as staking his expensive assets on a game that' he's prolly gonna play in too; thereby making deliberate mistakes in favor of the opponents (assuming he played that the opponent wins the match)...

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Well that exactly what i could notice, some player in our national leagues of third devision and even second devision sometimes they manipulate matches like on weekly basis. We got use to these kind of fixed games so the richest club got to play in first degree and to do so you need to bribe players or the whole team and make them lose the match easily. So they even can bet on their match knowing the final results. And i think this fixing thing the loser part will be the casino?
Xd i don’t really like to see such cheating activities but seeing in our regions for example professional players they don’t get paid for 4 months or more and some players are in debt so if they do it they must have a reason to do it even if it’s forbidden and also unethical

Match fixing has been identified as a common phenomenon. Because this manipulation is done in almost all types of games. Some manipulations are revealed and some are not. When a player sees that it is very easy to make money by fixing a match which is not possible to earn such amount of many playing the entire tournament. Then greedy gamblers tries to take part of the manipulation. One can betting on one's own game but that would be secretly. I deserve that these issues can never be eliminated. It is very difficult to know what is inside someone's mind. It is not happen specifically on your city but the same situation happen in every part of the world.

I think I have not heard of it either especially that of fighting sports like boxing. This kind of best are usually serious in nature, the opponent always try to win and so would not bet and maybe there is a rule guiding against that to avoid manipulation and unseriousness on the fight. It is the spectators that bet on games like this and even soccer. I think a player in local match can bet to score a goal or two in a particular match but I don't know about the international football yet on that.

Of course it's forbidden, there have been quite a few cases where players have been caught in match-fixing, it's a temptation that players can succumb to, it's happened before and will certainly happen in the future. But what's wrong with a fighter betting on their victory in a fight, or players betting money on their team? In this case, it definitely does not violate any rules, and on the contrary, it will motivate players to play even better, because if they lose, they risk losing their money.

I don't know if these bets are not prohibited, although it would be logical to ban players from any bets on the event in which they take part in order to avoid any temptations to break the law.

I think that most of these violations are in the types of competitions where only two athletes participate, martial arts, or tennis and the like. In this case, everything will be much easier to do.

I think that any kind of betting on a negative outcome of your own team or yourself should be completely forbidden, fined, and that person should receive not only a financial punishment. But I see nothing bad in placing a bet on a positive outcome of your team or yourself. What could be wrong if your strongly believe in yourself, your team and bet on a win? That will only work as a motivational factor. That will be an extra reward. When an employee gets his work done perfectly, he might get an extra reward besides salary. Sport is athletes work, so why cant they be rewarded extra?

As OP wrote, It is still possible for a player to gamble if he creates an account with his freind's name and submit his friend's docs for KYC. No casino platform will know who is behind the account.

I think one year ban is too short, instead, they should have banned that player for lifetime. This would have set an example among other players and they would have known that if they were found involved in gambling, they would also be banned for lifetime.

Very confident with his capabilities, but I'm on the side where it should not be allowed as he's a pro and the sport can be manipulated
if there's something behind him.

We can't guarantee that just because he bet on his own, then he will really aim for the win, chances that there's an inside job that
may take place still possible, if there's a huge amount that involves.

Expect that it can be manipulated. Better not to gamble on your own fight as a respect to the sport.

I do really understand the point but Athletes is not allowed to bet for themselves based on the sports rule since they are still human and they might be tempted to cheat for there personal gain. I believe that athletes should be focus the sports alone and not on betting because they are being paid big time for doing it. There salary is already enough for them to find an extra income.

They are risking there career for a mere bet regardless if it’s for themselves or the foe since it’s not allowed by the sports commission.

https://bettinggods.com/faqs/can-athletes-bet-on-themselves/

well, although in the past there were many cases of this type, currently even in small leagues this type of cases has not been reported because the reason is quite simple: players receive salaries and goal bonuses, they have contracts, so they are not going to risk making a bet on yourself when you can't manipulate the game in your favor with a 100% success rate. for example, let's say a goalkeeper wants to manipulate the game, even if the goalkeeper lets them score goals on purpose he will have no guarantee that his team will not score too many goals to the opponent, and if he is letting them in goals on purpose it will be obvious that he lost his job

in today's world, coaches have access to a lot of technology to monitor the performance of their players before and after each game, and it is useless for a soccer or basketball player to try to manipulate the result of the game without being discovered and severely punished

In that matter, those who are still willing to bet even the there's obvious manipulation mostly addicted to gambling just per my opinion, why bother to bet even though you already know that it will be wrecked, not sure though if that's a practice and how it will be allowed by the people behind that sports, or maybe they are also part of it and with a huge amount of money that will be flowing they are just letting it to happen.

For the sake of money, everything can be done by those manipulators and players have a big part of it.

Agree with you that imperially a player can do it. He has the right to bet like everyone else. There is no problem if you bet with strong faith in your team. But you're guilty when that bet affects your personal game. Suppose you are a player yourself and you have bet a large amount in a game and you bet on behalf of lose the game. When you are on the field do you play to win or do you play to lose? When a gambler has high rewards he does not want his team to win in that situation. This is how betting affects a player. For which the involvement of the player in betting is found to be severely punished. Especially if there is a big tournament, there will be a  special surveillance on the players.

For small event then player can bet their team especially in basketball and in small leagues but one thing  I assure that pro players in a biggest tournament or leagues then the player itself not allowed to bet in their team but their family can bet. So in reality they can still bet if they want to they can use their friends to hold their money and bet for the team that they like nothing know for sure .

No one can guarantee the outcome of a game until the match is over, whether he plays himself or someone else.  But who can bet on his own game is his personal matter and many do it when he has more confidence in himself. But if one bets on his own game there is no guarantee that he will win and he also bets at risk.  And this he takes as a kind of challenge. But I know players rarely do these.  Because they are not very interested in gambling

According to several news sources that I read a few years ago.

The FA has tightened its no-gambling rules for English players. The Football Association, ruled that all English professional football players, are prohibited from participating in betting related to football throughout the world. although in fact, they can still bet on behalf of their colleagues or other people without the knowledge of the federation.

I don't know for other football federations, but it seems that the FA's policy has been followed by the European league federations. so this thing, does not apply in football. but after all, even a professional football athlete can still bet for his own team. these kinds of practices will always exist, they can use various methods without having to make a gamble by themselves. naughty players, can order friends, family or anyone as long as not on their own behalf. it's just that if proven caught, the FA will give him a fine. at least three players have been proven to have participated in betting and have been fined by the FA. former Spurs winger Andros Towndend, striker Cameron Jerome and Daniel Gosling all received varying fines. and this aligns, with the Op's question in this thread regarding football.

I guess the most famous example would be Pete Rose, who is still banned from the Hall of Fame for gambling.  A less well known example, or perhaps a conspiracy theory would be Michael Jordan.  A lot of people believe that the NBA caught Michael Jordan betting on his Bulls games, which led to him receiving a silent suspension from the league as to not hurt their image or create drama with Nike.  As a result of this alleged suspension, Michael famously left the NBA to pursue Major League Baseball for over a year before coming back to basketball to win 3 more championships. 

Do you think Michael Jordan was suspended from the NBA for gambling?

You can't just get up and begin to pull a stunt like that on FIFA for obvious reasons lol... Otherwise, footballers would become the richest set of peeps we'd know (No, there aren't the richest... We still have alot of sportsman that live on a low profile but are much wealthier).
Secondly, gambling wouldn't be worth anything to make some profits from; cus we'll still have alot of benevolent footballers who will give out these games, free willingly -- maybe as giveaways or something -- to Thier fan base... So just imagine that 1 millions peeps wagered on one single odd and it cuts, do you know how much you've lost as a casino administrator? Funny though

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think players is prohibited to this thing. I remembered one time this actually happens in an esport, a certain player who mistakenly announce that they are making bets in their own game and they gets a fine worth a couple of grand, though it is not too big but then we know that some games this rule is prohibited, and it will also affects on how they will behave and do the game. There's a money in the line, they lose focus to the game and they will going to focus in the money.

Yes, and lets put up some example.
https://kotaku.com/pro-esports-team-analyst-caught-betting-on-his-own-team-1793025674

This one is pertaining on their Team analyst which means that it would really be particularly be applied on entire team hierarchy.I dont know if their relatives and loved ones
would really be included but as we know that it would be still that included.

Cant see ih physical sports though if there are ones who had been caught.Trying to search up.

^Of course, it should be through the under-table process, no one probably discloses what they are wrongdoing since this is not allowed to them.
There was always corruption and all of that was made by the organizers, I don't know how to perform a transparent audit but still, they can bypass those processes. But I don't know if you are one of their staff will doing this, once you will be caught there will be a charge.
However, I found interesting articles which are fixed matches is a serious offense.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules

This is happening, and betting on your own games probably you’ll know what will happen or you are just confident about it. Some players are not allowed to do this but they can easily let someone place the bet to them. There’s always a greedy player and a corrupt system, its just that it is not being disclose for the sake of their own reputation but I believe, many are also a bettor aside from being a player.

This is also very common when it comes to amateur boxing, since unlike teams in which you need to convince a lot of people to manipulate the results, as long as you can convince the boxer or the manager then you can easily control the result of the match and even the round at which a boxer may lose the fight, this is something I have seen by myself as before the pandemic started I liked to watch amateur boxing live and it was easy for me to see all the money that it moved and there was always a tipster which was trying to encourage people to make bets by assuring them he knew what was going to be the result before the fight happened.

The player can be confident, but it doesn't mean he knows exactly what is going to happen, unless he is going to sabotage his own team in order to win a bet he placed for the rival team's victory. That is the main reason why it's forbidden for players to bet on games' results. Anyway, the rule of suspending players who are caught betting doesn't totally solves the issue, because it's pretty easy for them to use a friend, familiar, relative or partner to place a bet on their names, instead of using the player's ID. I guess that also must happen in the sports and gambling industry with some frequency.

If you’re just a player it will still be hard to know if your team will win so this is still gambling not unless you know everything especially the contract then you can bet higher and make money as well on your own. This is the best option for the players to hire someone to place a bet since as far as I know family members are also prohibited on some sites. Well, betting can easily be done as long as you know where to bet safely. With regards to corruption, I guess its on a fixed matches to manipulate the standing or to make huge money as well.

This happens as gambling platforms give access for anonymous betting. According to rules players should not bet o their own games. Just think of a scenario, if a player have made a bet over his play to score specific runs. His focus will be on the scoring and this will affect the combined effort for the team.

some soccer teams in Italy has doing this stuff, likewise "buying" the match and not "selling" as the common practice....meanwhile all staff was betting on these games...
 
Some players of soccers have done the same in the past but they have been caught... it was really famous a player caught while using benzos on the players of his team ::)
https://sport.sky.it/calcio/2011/06/01/calcio_scommesse_inchiesta_doping_cremonese_paganese

Bets would  usually be placed via 3rd parties and its still not usually allowed.    In a very new sport it might not officially be covered but clearly its going to cause problems.   Almost always it could be taken as a form of fraud but I dont believe the law will always prosecute this 'crime' and its down to self governing sports bodies to reduce the practise.
  The motivation to do so is clear, if games are compromised it will reduce the possible sponsorship and even investment in teams that play that sport.

Players cannot bet on their own games, but I'm sure their manager, coach, or someone else they know bets for that fighter because it's extra money if you win the fight, but I haven't seen or read anything about it because it's prohibited, so I'm sure they're doing it in secret. Also regarding having lost in their own game, it is sort of called "fixed games," about which we can see a lot of speculation but nothing that has proven it. This is really about money; they don't care about the game or the sports; they just want to win the teams they want because the money that was bet on it was very huge, so they will manipulate the game.

Currently, betting sites provide more advantages especially a person can bet advance on any particular matches or tournaments. As a result, it is very easy to manage even if the player places the bet himself. However, there is no evidence that the players place bets or not. Moreover, if someone places a bet, they will not keep the proof of it because have the possibility to fall in danger. Whatever happens, not everything comes to the public through the news. So, ‍many things can happen behind the scenes.

I still think that athletes should be allowed to bet on a positive outcome in their match or team in general. But they should be limited with betting options. Like they should not be allowed to place a bet that they will score, or achieve something - that indeed is bad, as they will try to pull blanket on their side. But if they are allowed to bet on a just a win - then it is ok with me. Specially if this is a team game. They might cheer other team members to play better.

And the player can join those who bet for him to earn extra money from winning matches. This might be a great way to earn some extra money but they have to really keep it a secret from everyone else and after the win, they have to share the winnings in secret as well. This may have been common among players who use these methods to be able to bet on themselves but if this were to be found out, they would all be punished by the association so they could no longer play.

Before, I also wonder why athletes are not allowed to bet on their own matches even the bet is on themselves. But think that it's prohibited because the match may have the possibility to be fixed.
Moreover, I think their relatives, staffs, and even coaches are also not allowed to place any bets.

I think that's can be one good reason for some online casinos when asking for KYC and some other personal information because they want to make sure the players will not bet on the game he plays. Bet as far as I know depends on the country where the rules can be different for example in some countries the players are totally not able to bet in any game and even win games because they can abuse the chance to win the bets and mean money in this way however some of them will use other people their friends to place a bet for them.

They can easily manipulate the outcome of the game very easily if they bet, yes, moreover, if they bet to win their opponent, yes they can easily pretend to lose. Honestly, I don't really know about this, because maybe if there is, no one will know, even if it's the people closest to them, because it will endanger their own careers.
Things like this are also often heard in certain games, for example in football there is the term fixing the score, this is the same type. Even though they don't gamble directly, they also enjoy the money they receive from people who want them to do so.

Yeah, if they will be betting with their opponents a manipulation can easily perform and the player will win his bet by simply give the game away, though I don't hear any direct information to whoever player/fighter who done this kind of activities but just like what I always saying, all can be done in the name of the money.

If the price is right, rigging games is not by far. That includes the players itself, even they will not directly use their actual name but they can be represented by someone who is close to them right?

Professional athletes and sports players weren't allowed to bet on them or upon the game they play. This is done to have them self control, because once they start placing bets on them, it'll be the beginning to play for his/her favour. Finally his game game will be much based on personal financial gain which is not good while representing a team or a country. For this reason professional players weren't allowed to make bets, but these days there are chances of professionals making bets using the anonymous betting opportunities.

i've read from here about basketball game, so it was a local game and the audience spotted some unusual moves and it turned out the game was rigged. so yes, this kind of situation will ruin the career of the athletes involved, depending on the degree of their involvement. because if you are a loyal fan and you've been watching all the games of your favourite team, you will know something is wrong with the game. and this is the reason why you can't bet on your own game, as you will influence the result of the game one way or another.

I think you mean the other way around. Professional athletes, if allowed to bet on themselves, would likely throw the match and let the opposing team take the win for easy profits. This is way easier to do and less effort involved too because they just have to play bad in order to get some payday for their pockets. Professional athletes sans betting is highly motivated by their desire to be at the top of the sport, with prize money coming in as the second motivator. If money is easy to get on professional sports, do you think athletes who like to throw games will still exist? I think not.

If the player is allowed to bet for themselves surely will not throw their game, they will even try to perform their best because it has a double reward, the ranking, and the winning while on the contrary, if the player is allowed to bet on the opposing team or opponent, then this will only mean that the player might throw his game.

I believe that professional athletes are originally not allowed to bet either for themselves or their opponent because often times this kind of thing if allowed  gives negative impact to the game performance of a player but somehow there are cases where players are allowed to bet on other games not affiliated with them.

Yes, they can bet on other sports.
I like the idea though of letting them bet for themselves, it gives more adrenaline to the player/fighter to win the game/fight at any cost thinking there is also their money on the line.
But either that is not allowed by most of the sports industry organizations. Perhaps there should be revisions that could happen in the future as the gambling industry is getting bigger with easy-to-access online gambling sites.

The idea of getting more adrenaline from betting in their own game is good but I think it is not possible because of rules, I remembered the issue regarding 322 in DOTA esports where there is a player who bet against his team where he did a match fixing and throwing and it became the reason why betting on their own game is not allowed. For me that rule is good to avoid match fixing because there are still a lot of players and team who do this for money. I don't want to change the rule for the game to not be rigged in a scenario that organization or players may cheat and do match fixing.

Well, as good as this sounds, it is still very unfortunately that it has not stopped games from being rigged, maybe game rigging is not as possible in football and some other games, but I know that rigging is popular on games like tennis, boxing , as well as NFC.

The rule not allowing players or their close relatives to bet on their game is good, it indeed has helped to cub what would have been a disaster for many matches, because rigging would have been on the high side, but then, we can not say that rigging has been completely wiped out.

As we all know that these days the online betting is anonymous and we never know who is the person behind the betting.  So even if the players are not allowed to bet they can still bet before the start of the match on any online batting site and no one will know that they have placed a bet on the win or loss of the match.

The question arises why players are not allowed to bet, well the answer is simple. Player can easily bet on the loss of a match and then play badly to lose a match in order to win  that bet. This comes under match fixing.

I don't understand, I mean , why should an athlete or sportsman not be allowed to bet on the game they play? would love to know if this is officially called a professional crime.
Before such a thing would be looked into I believe conditions should be involved. A sportsman should be allowed to bet only for himself and not against himself if they do so, they will be a burning desire to win, and if he wins, the team wins. So I don't really see the risks in looking at it this way.

There are basically a number of reasons ‍arise why a player is prohibited from betting, the most common of which is betting on own matches. Normally when a player bets he cannot perform well. Different pressure can be created on him. He should be fully healthy. But as a citizen he must have all the freedoms like others and in this regard he can play bet. But when playing is his only occupation some rules must be followed. Otherwise game management will be difficult. Because in recent times there are many complaints of various types of corruption including match fixing.

I see some loopholes when a player decides to bet on himself. If he is betting that's he's going to win that will be accepted but when a player decides to bet that he's going to loss I'm not sure if that should be accepted since he has the capability to control such a game in his favour since he had placed a bet that he's going to lose he might as well just let the opponent come out victorious so that he can win the bet.
Unless he has placed a bet that he's going to win no other bet should be allowed so as to minimize the risk of some foul play been involved.

If there's no loopholes for the players bet on their own games, any casino doesn't care with this and the @OP wouldn't create this thread. The player obviously can't bet his own game, but what do you think if the player ask his friend to bet the game or he use zero KYC bookie or even he use fake KYC account? there's no way to verify that and the player will make a lot money from it.

But it usually happen on local or small tournament where the the prize isn't huge as he can get through gamble, I don't think a popular and high reputable player will do such dirty way to earn money. Remember, they can earn a lot money through promoting a popular brand.

I understand how you can play "in your favour", well, not in your favour, but rather for you to win money,  if you bet on your loss. And that is what I think should be strictly forbidden. But betting on your win, I wouldn't I wouldn't forbid it. I mean, every sportsman is betting on his/her win in a way, even they don't bet money on that, right?

I remember reading some stories about players betting on their own matches in the past, like 15 years ago and the league found out leading to a big scandal. In the end they lost everything, didn't get paid by the bookmakers and got banned from playing for 2 years leading to get dropped from their team. It just doesn't make any sense to risk losing our job for a one time payment which is not even guaranteed. Most sports are team games and one player will have trouble to influence the game in a major way. I would expect that if you take the risk to bet on your own matches that you are looking for a high payout,  so betting on the winner of the match alone is not going to give a good return. It would be better to bet on at what time the goals are being made, or the exact number of goals. But even if you are in the match and can influence it yourself, there is still a lot of randomness in the game. Maybe some players will use close friends to bet on their own match, but even then there is the risk of it coming out and ruining everything is there. As a professional athlete I would expect that your interest and knowledge of the sports betting market is not so big.  

That's right and when they hand their money over to their friend or someone else to bet on it, it has to be a secret only they know. People also wouldn't know about it and would never even think about it. But to manipulate the game's outcome, it will involve many people behind the association and perhaps even more so there must be an agreement among those behind. And again, the public will not know anything about this and will only think that it is a real match.

It's a red light if the family member of the player bets on his win or loss but most of the times, casino doesn't know whos brother or sister you are. Manipulation is possible but it's risky and I would even say that a lot of matches are sold in unknown leagues. In football, rugby and team matches, usually the club owners or people above players are the ones who sell the games, not players themselves.  

Sure, there are a lot sports betting scandals and reward is amazing when you know the result of the game and bet on it but if you get caught, then you are in a huge trouble.

If this was a common problem, then casinos would go bankrupt but they don't go, so this is easily said than done.

Players are not allowed to do that, that is against the Fifa rules
And if a player or player's are found or caught they will be penalized hugely
Recently Ivan Toney england and Brentford player was linked to some news as this, any idea of how Fifa finally handled this

You don't know how many times they did it before this disqualification, and how much they managed to win on it. They may have done this many times, even over several years, until they found out about it. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a team sport, here’s a simple example where just one person can benefit without anyone on the team knowing about it: he just bets that there will be a penalty in the match, and that’s enough. If he sees that there was no penalty before the end of the match, he may deliberately foul in his own penalty area in order for this event to occur.

In addition, he does not have to make a bet himself, he can agree on this with a friend who will make bets in several bookmakers so that the amount of the bet is not very large. There is always an opportunity to do this, but in this case he need to understand that this is a crime that will most likely be solved sooner or later.

Players who betting can do anything. Moreover, they know very well that if they are found in any way, then may be subjected to severe punishment. That is why they can get help from others. If a player wants to, the situation in the field can turn away. In the case of football, a player can deliberately engage in the penalty if his good profit is earned by match fixing. Moreover, this simple act but no one can  identify easily as an intentional act.There may be many such examples. The main thing is that a player will not be able to engage in betting in any way. Although it is not possible to control it by imposing any restriction but as much as possible should try do it.

Maybe yes, what you say it could happen. but remember, in football, because in this case we associate it with football. a player who plays underperform, in this case he intentionally plays badly, own goals, or whatever it is just because his opponent wants to win and he wins the bet. however, the risks would be enormous. especially if they are professional athletes in big leagues. maybe the bad impact, the player will be suspended by the coach for playing badly or making a blunder. maybe also, the coach will punish him by making him a substitute player. that way, his career will be at stake.

So, I doubt that professional athletes, especially football players in European leagues, would do something like that. maybe, cases like what you said can happen for small leagues which incidentally don't have strict regulation with a bad system. in asia, especially asean there are many cases of match fixing. however, most of them do not only involve one player because these kinds of practices usually involve many parties.

IMO, in conclusion. if a professional athlete gambles, especially so that the team he stands for intentionally loses. then it is a loss for himself and for his career, whatever the sport.

Players should not be allowed to make any kind of bets on own games. Because they can influence on results easily. They can influence by themselves, or talk someone to perform inappropriate. Why do players should think about placing bets at all? They should focus more on a game, instead of possibility to get some extra money.

Well, your ignorance on the subject carries a certain reality of the gambler who somehow looks for an excuse to justify losses.

 It is true that cheaters have existed, and will exist, there are cases so incredible that they are beyond fiction.  There are very well documented cases.

 In any case, betting on known events takes us away from this type of situation that is not exempt, but you must know that there are independent organizations in addition to the fact that the leagues or events themselves have permanent surveillance.