[INFO] Scammed/Peeled by Coldkey

[krogothmanhattan]

   

Both addresses that were swept to (`3BBNmksdPw63ghuNEeFsfPkwXaiqYJH9e7` and `3BZDT1rhf7vnabzASuiLzDBBbgDfHivdRd`) are now confirmed HitBTC addresses, as both were transferred to the HitBTC cold wallet. Looks like Yogg is going to cash it out/has actually sold it.


I've messaged their legal team, which probably won't help, but it should at least get his account shutdown. Feel free to contact them as well. The more the better IMO.

       Just in case anyone missed this on the  other thread!  I implore you to contact https://hitbtc.com/legal-information


             https://hitbtc.com/

       

[Becassine]

I had a cold key too, but without anything on it. So never mind. I recently lent Yogg some satoshis, I'm not very wealthy, but I thought I'd help him in his business. I have no idea what he did with them. Yogg told me that he would pay me back, before the disaster...
I'm so sorry for everyone, but especially for Cygan, Owlcatz and the others who invested money and time. In the meantime, I don't want Cygan to pay me back from his pocket, it's hard enough as it is. If one day you manage to get your money back, maybe you'll think of me, Cygan... In the meantime, if you need the btc address used for your possible investigations, you can send me a message. Good luck to all.

[Kryptowerk]

Jfyi: I updated and moved my scam-summary: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg61612749#msg61612749
I'll try to update / edit as good as possible when new / more things come to light. Despite that will probably try to be a littles less involved in the topic for now - it was kinda soul-draining over the last few days.

PS: I discovered one more of my CK cards was not funded from the start on (also a history 2020-2 card).

[DaveF]

after checking all my coldkeys …

• CK history Oct 2019 #8 should but has never been funded: bc1qckqx686kr6q4f5pp9pwh7swr2epecl8l0wtfcz -> loss of BTC 0.00656628
• CK 3rd halving Silver set #49 swept by yogg,  right: bc1qhalvedk57akyp67ljkyul8sd5lt48s2ls5nc57 // left: bc1qhalvedm8mma8dfcpe42cuedrz9254q0cyspghx -> loss of BTC 0.0125
• CK 3rd halving Copper set #100, right card - even having carefully cleaned the surface, the QR-code can’t be scanned by several different QR-scanners, so I assume that it’s not a correct QR-code at all: bc1qckqp6a6pw5mwhzxpclxp9lexmps4yy03apc6jc -> (potential?) loss of BTC0.00625

loss in total BTC 0.02531628  

Probably NOT the same issue but: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422223
When you say different QR scanners were they all on the same phone?
Would not put it past yogg to put on a bad code but someone I work with just had to deal with not being able to scan a decent sized QR code with an iPhone 13 when everyone else could with no issues; his nothing would not even recognize that it was a code. Same phone scanned every other QR with no issues.

-Dave

[cygan]

next refunded scammed user:

Code:

synthylover

tx-id was sent using dm
furthermore, i received a message from a certain 'william' via telegram. so far, he could only provide me with a photo without his username and he supposedly only owns one card each of the halving series #113 and #115
since i want to be sure and don't want to fall for other scammers i wanted to ask you if anyone knows this user...



and if the user addressed here is reading this, it would be nice if you would respond here in this thread or at least send me a dm

[Hookzup1]

I honestly cannot understand a single reason why someone would accept a single satoshi from kind hearted cygan for this issue he was no part of and probably took a larger hit than 99% of anyone affected by yogg 🤔 I have 3 complete halving sets including gold silver bronze I assume are all stolen but I would never expect or accept funds from another innocent victim I think it's sad others are taking advantage of his amazing offer to fix yoggs ridiculous brain dead mistake

[cygan]

I honestly cannot understand a single reason why someone would accept a single satoshi from kind hearted cygan for this issue he was no part of and probably took a larger hit than 99% of anyone affected by yogg 🤔 I have 3 complete halving sets including gold silver bronze I assume are all stolen but I would never expect or accept funds from another innocent victim I think it's sad others are taking advantage of his amazing offer to fix yoggs ridiculous brain dead mistake

as a former ceo, it was my personal decision to refund these users first, so that they can cope with at least part of their loss and continue to sleep a little more peacefully
i understand your point of view but i am not angry with any user now because he contacted me about the refundig.
maybe yogg has balls and will pay me back all the money at some point...

[Hookzup1]

I think smoothies auction idea to recoup affected user funds was a genius generous idea. As I see it accepting from cygan is kinda like an honest way of doing what yogg did and taking funds from an innocent victim. Unless cygan was getting the unpeeled cards in return as proof they were victims and couldn't pass on the cards to others in the future I guess would make this make a little more sense

[Agrawas]

as a former ceo, it was my personal decision to refund these users first, so that they can cope with at least part of their loss and continue to sleep a little more peacefully
i understand your point of view but i am not angry with any user now because he contacted me about the refundig.
maybe yogg has balls and will pay me back all the money at some point...

Kudos to you buddy for doing the refunds and I really respect what you did. As a CEO of coldkey, I am curious as to what made you prioritize the refund for the swept funds from Halving keys over the other impacted people related to coldkey issues.

From all the threads related to coldkey in past week, I have gathered these 4 major issues that people have encountered:

1. Sweeping of Halving Coldkeys.
2. Past orders that were paid for but never delivered(As per Yogg's messages they were ready to be shipped the next day but that day never came).
3. People paid for funding their coldkeys but they were never funded.
4. Personal loans to Yogg. (This definitely should not concern you as a CEO since it was personal unless someone can proof that they loaned Yogg some money towards the development of Coldkey).

#2 and #3 are much older issues than #1 and I am not sure if you were aware of either of them.

Disclaimer: I am not impacted by either of the issues above except for loaning some BTC to Yogg. Had couple of small pending orders which doesn't concern me now since majority of the funds were in premiums and not in the actual coldkeys thay have all been swept now.

I just want to reiterate that this is in no way against you but rather to bring up the issue of prioritizing the impacted people that will also come up after Smoothie's auction of how these funds will be distributed to the impacted parties by this whole Yogg's debacle.

[cygan]

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I am curious as to what made you prioritize the refund for the swept funds from Halving keys over the other impacted people related to coldkey issues.
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as i have already written, it was entirely my decision alone. it has nothing to do with prioritization only i can't come up completely alone on the big and miserable mistakes of yogg.
yogg was the founder and also had his shares at ck... and he should pay the other liabilities!

[Hookzup1]

I was personally impacted by all 4 of the issues agrawas mentioned but I would never accept a single sat from cygan, however I would give him 100% of my merit, if I had to give, for his generosity in this case. And to be clear I fully understand the reasoning behind why cygan is offering his own personal crypto to those affected, what I don't understand is why members would accept it.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I think some may see it as Cygan was CEO - as with any company, those in charge accept responsibility for those under them. That also means the one at the top is then responsible to make sure the ones who are guilty are held accountable - yogg in this case.

[DaveF]

I was personally impacted by all 4 of the issues agrawas mentioned but I would never accept a single sat from cygan, however I would give him 100% of my merit, if I had to give, for his generosity in this case. And to be clear I fully understand the reasoning behind why cygan is offering his own personal crypto to those affected, what I don't understand is why members would accept it.

Because they might need it? If part of your needed income was buying / selling / trading collectables and all of a sudden a lot of it's value was wiped out it might be causing a bit of difficulty.
It's not just the amount of the BTC on the card, it is also the amount that was paid as a premium because it was a collectable. They are not getting the extra back, so getting something back could make a difference.
AND, with FTX along with all the other things that happened in the last few months even people who would not normally need it, may need it now.

And so on.

Or, and this is a respectable answer too, because he offered. Some people may not have gone out and asked for the BTC, but since he offered they will take it.
Fine line, but I can see some people thinking that way.

Just to be open, I took a hit but I have been doing this long enough and knew the risks of getting funded things from people so in my mind it is what it is. Not asking for anything back and just taking my lumps and moving on. But, as I said I can see other people acting differently.

-Dave

[TheBeardedBaby]

My case is a bit different, so I don't know if it fits here but I'll post my story.

After my kid was born I made a giveaway of my CM sig earning to celebrate it. Then yogg sent me a PM with a suggestion in a way to thank me, he was supposed to issue a special crypto bond (unique) for the kid, locked for 18 years for free, except that I had to fund it and cover the shipping.

I agreed to that suggestion and sent him some 50eur in btc together with extra 20eur to cover the shipping expenses. That was in the beginning of 2019. Since then I never got the bond, I knew he was going through some rough times and I didn't want to push him about it, since the bond wasn't on my urgent stuff list.

I sent a PM to yogg and cygan to ask who's gonna take care of case after the stepping down of yogg.
But yogg never showed up...

[MoparMiningLLC]

Yea sounds like you are in line with the rest of us who never got our cards - iirc the 20 card set was 650 - the 2 cards were paid by krogoth and the 3 other cards were supposed to be Q3 2021 cards as a “thank you” for loaning him .05 BTC

I questioned many times why there were more and more cards being sold while people were claiming they never got theirs - I was told all issues had been resolved… guess not.

[owlcatz]

My case is a bit different, so I don't know if it fits here but I'll post my story.

After my kid was born I made a giveaway of my CM sig earning to celebrate it. Then yogg sent me a PM with a suggestion in a way to thank me, he was supposed to issue a special crypto bond (unique) for the kid, locked for 18 years for free, except that I had to fund it and cover the shipping.

I agreed to that suggestion and sent him some 50eur in btc together with extra 20eur to cover the shipping expenses. That was in the beginning of 2019. Since then I never got the bond, I knew he was going through some rough times and I didn't want to push him about it, since the bond wasn't on my urgent stuff list.

I sent a PM to yogg and cygan to ask who's gonna take care of case after the stepping down of yogg.
But yogg never showed up...

Just curious but was this deal made late at night off-forum? Telegram perhaps? He was likely wasted and gambled your money away that night then got lazy as fuck if so..... You aren't the only one he did this too either because the bonds were a pain in his ass to create lol...

There will be more updates on this shit to come from Daniel or Cygan I'm sure, but let's be real - Yogg is not going to repay any debts. Cygan was left with a terrible ordeal as well ... 🤷‍♂️

Thank you all for your PM's and support, it means a lot. I've felt a lot of guilt about even helping him get this project back off the ground now, but hell, I didn't know and he was a master of deceit - Had I ever any inkling this would ever have happened, I wouldnt be writing this....   Also, I never got paid a dime by him either for all the work I did for him,  and also got super scammed too...

Yea sounds like you are in line with the rest of us who never got our cards - iirc the 20 card set was 650 - the 2 cards were paid by krogoth and the 3 other cards were supposed to be Q3 2021 cards as a “thank you” for loaning him .05 BTC

I questioned many times why there were more and more cards being sold while people were claiming they never got theirs - I was told all issues had been resolved… guess not.

Again, updates to come with any luck on this... Sorry but again he told me over and over it was sent to cygan for reship to you. I'm still not sure it ever was, but by the sounds of it, probably not. I'll let cygan chip in here once he's up etc.. 🤷‍♂️

[minerjones]

will there be anything added to the OP about cards that never got funded?

[cygan]

will there be anything added to the OP about cards that never got funded?

unfortunately, no. this is primarily about the incident almost 2 weeks ago, where all the halving sets were swept up

@MoparMiningLLC
to the other open orders (from the time when i had nothing to do with Coldkey) there will be a separate thread soon too

@TheBeardedBaby
i see the money/investment as lost unfortunately

[Kryptowerk]

will there be anything added to the OP about cards that never got funded?

unfortunately, no. this is primarily about the incident almost 2 weeks ago, where all the halving sets were swept up

@MoparMiningLLC
to the other open orders (from the time when i had nothing to do with Coldkey) there will be a separate thread soon too

@TheBeardedBaby
i see the money/investment as lost unfortunately

You offered to refund my unfunded card which I gladly declined.

I think the auction with donations would be a good starting point to also distribute funds of those affected by unfunded cards.
Has there been any discussion so far on how the funds would be distributed?

Also, I don't have an overview but from the OP it seems 46 swept halving coldkeys were refunded by cygan. The remaining are probably either declined refunds or from owners that didn't show up in the forum yet.
Wouldn't it make sense to refund
- remaining swept cards for anyone that declined refunding from cygan
- unfunded ck cards
- open orders
from the auction coming up?

Ofc it needs a txid or clear evidence for payment / ownership of these cards.
Any loans given to yogg could possibly be compensated if there are funds left after refunding (which doubt) but I think these are private contracts between yogg and the person giving the loan, making it a seperate issue from the ck exit-scam in way.

Happy to hear more views / suggestions on the matter.

[Becassine]

Hello,

I think that if there are some funds left, some can be allocated to Cygan, Owlcatz and those who invested, no?