Miss Universe 2023 betting.

[nullama]

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No, they should have their own pageant and leave this to true-born women, not discriminating against the LGBT in fact we have a pageant for gays and lesbians here in our country but they never mix that, there will be a lot of protests if they will allow that, I read that there's was a recommendation to do that but they never entertain that because it will put down the pageant's true essence and this could put an end to the Miss Universe pageant, I support LGBT but they should leave this one alone, actually its more colorful to watch LGBT pageant they are wittier in the question and answers.

That's fine, but nature doesn't care about any silly labels we humans like to put into people or objects.

Things and people simply are the way they are, in a continuum. Labeling them into categories is just a human thing, and of course it will bring issues because the reality doesn't work like that.

For example, colors. There are an infinite number of colors, because it's an illusion based on a physical property which is a continuum in the real world, electromagnetic energy with wavelengths from 380 to 700 nm. But humans decided to put labels to these colors, understandably. But also understandably there is always confusion about color, like The Dress: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/26/us/blue-black-white-gold-dress/index.html

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[Hispo]

Well, since this thread has devolved into a discussion which has little to nothing to do with betting (but rather political & social topics), I would advice to OP to lock this thread and let this topic to be moved elsewhere.

I assume there is not much to talk on betting since the Miss Universe is over anyways.

[Sithara007]

Is anyone going to disagree with me, if I claim that the importance of this competition is going down? Back in 1994, when Sushmita Sen was elected as the Miss Universe, there was a lot of coverage in the Indian media about it. The media coverage was much more modest back in 2000, when Lara Dutta won the title (2nd time for India). And when Harnaaz Sandhu became the Miss Universe in 2021, hardly any media outlets here gave importance to that news. I am talking about India, but for other countries it maybe different.

BTW, here are some facts that may help the gamblers:

Ever since the competition started in 1952, United States has won the maximum number of times (9), followed by Venezuela (7).
22 of the winners came from North America and 15 from South America.
Winners for the most recent 5 competitions are - United States, India, Mexico, South Africa and Philippines.

[BobK71]

Is anyone going to disagree with me, if I claim that the importance of this competition is going down? Back in 1994, when Sushmita Sen was elected as the Miss Universe, there was a lot of coverage in the Indian media about it. The media coverage was much more modest back in 2000, when Lara Dutta won the title (2nd time for India). And when Harnaaz Sandhu became the Miss Universe in 2021, hardly any media outlets here gave importance to that news. I am talking about India, but for other countries it maybe different.

BTW, here are some facts that may help the gamblers:

Ever since the competition started in 1952, United States has won the maximum number of times (9), followed by Venezuela (7).
22 of the winners came from North America and 15 from South America.
Winners for the most recent 5 competitions are - United States, India, Mexico, South Africa and Philippines.

Of course, ‍agree with you, its valuation is degraded gradually. Nobody thinks so about this Miss Universe. Even a decade ago, when the Miss Universe pageant was held, the media used to make a lot of noise about it, but nowadays people's interest in this event has started to decrease. Moreover, many people are making negative comments about it because it is chosen from America most of the time.

But I don't want to adopt it as a tool for betting. Although it may be of interest to many. Moreover, I have never heard any such betting discussion in my long betting life. However, since people's interests are changing day by day, they may also be included in the future.

[el kaka22]

its valuation is degraded gradually. Nobody thinks so about this Miss Universe. Even a decade ago, when the Miss Universe pageant was held, the media used to make a lot of noise about it, but nowadays people's interest in this event has started to decrease. Moreover, many people are making negative comments about it because it is chosen from America most of the time.

But I don't want to adopt it as a tool for betting. Although it may be of interest to many. Moreover, I have never heard any such betting discussion in my long betting life. However, since people's interests are changing day by day, they may also be included in the future.

It's basically about finding people for Hollywood if you ask me, or whatever nation they are from. It's literally a way to bolster up a CV before they could act in anything. If you win miss universe, or if you were in anywhere near the top, that means you could get some acting roles, most of the miss universe contestants end up with either being "influencer" on instagram, which is easier because if you were in the competition then you have tens of thousands of followers at least, millions if you won.

And if you won, then there is a good chance you would be first offered commercial roles, and if you are any good, you could gradually go towards bigger roles in tv series or movies.

[milewilda]

Well, since this thread has devolved into a discussion which has little to nothing to do with betting (but rather political & social topics), I would advice to OP to lock this thread and let this topic to be moved elsewhere.

I assume there is not much to talk on betting since the Miss Universe is over anyways.

Agree on this one since the discussions isnt already that connected to betting but rather with having the personal opinions and discussions about the result then it is really something that being derailed.
So its better to lock up this thread but it seems that op hadnt logged in for couple of days but it would be good if this one would be locked out to avoid further discussions.
Its a must thing or simply mods could do up the locking. 

[LUCKMCFLY]

All such competitions, when subjective adjectives of a person are evaluated are piece of crap. Each person has different vision. For everyone the ideal looking woman is different. All such competitions are about politics. Neighbour countries vote for each other. Money is the main criteria of such competitions.

I had the opportunity to evaluate some criteria that maybe come up a lot and help a woman like this to stand out from the rest. In the case of the Dominican Republic, it was clearly seen that this woman had gone to the USA since she was little, to fight for herself. some women's rights, I believe that these things are taken into consideration and more for this type of competition, in the case of the USA I did not manage to study her much, she is undoubtedly a beautiful woman, but I also believe that this woman has a godfather Spectacular as the USA is, and the Venezuelan I cannot say anything before the magnificence of a woman, daughter of one of the most outstanding soccer goalkeepers that have ever existed, and above all a woman who comes from a very humble state and land, in my opinion Personally all my congratulations to the USA.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Is anyone going to disagree with me, if I claim that the importance of this competition is going down?

Why should anyone disagree??
Infact, it happens almost every other time in diverse sectors, when things get started and seems to be moving pretty cool only to get depreciated; maybe by people's interest, by reduction of the government's grant/warrant etc... Shiii' happens yunno.
I have seen that year to have been a very competitive edition of the miss universe; since it's rated by the prime fact that it's global, and it was one of its early days, so I see every reasons with them if they were more unique way back. Looking for a way to restore 'em is something the government should've figured out.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[Sithara007]

Of course, ‍agree with you, its valuation is degraded gradually. Nobody thinks so about this Miss Universe. Even a decade ago, when the Miss Universe pageant was held, the media used to make a lot of noise about it, but nowadays people's interest in this event has started to decrease. Moreover, many people are making negative comments about it because it is chosen from America most of the time.

But I don't want to adopt it as a tool for betting. Although it may be of interest to many. Moreover, I have never heard any such betting discussion in my long betting life. However, since people's interests are changing day by day, they may also be included in the future.

IMO, the reason for the declining popularity is due to the fact that beautiful women are no longer getting elected as Miss Universe. The selection is rather based on political reasons. You can compare the winners from this competition, from back in 1990s to those who get the selection now. Back then, the winners used to be really good looking (that doesn't mean that they lagged behind in other characteristics such as communication). Look at the winners now, and in reality they would struggle to win a neighborhood beauty contest.

[uneng]

IMO, the reason for the declining popularity is due to the fact that beautiful women are no longer getting elected as Miss Universe. The selection is rather based on political reasons. You can compare the winners from this competition, from back in 1990s to those who get the selection now. Back then, the winners used to be really good looking (that doesn't mean that they lagged behind in other characteristics such as communication). Look at the winners now, and in reality they would struggle to win a neighborhood beauty contest.

Do you really think the recent elected winners aren't pretty? For me the recent and the older ones are in the same beauty pattern... I just think it's curious there isn't any blue eyes, blonde, germanic winners, but every other ethnicities are represented there.

Miss Universe is really a tough task, because each person has their personal preferences regards appearance and behavior of a woman. Nowadays there is the agenda of "female empowerment" inside the feminism, that is a fact, but even if it wasn't for it, I think we couldn't reach an agreement on who should win the competition anyway, because of those personal preferences each one of us have.

[BobK71]

IMO, the reason for the declining popularity is due to the fact that beautiful women are no longer getting elected as Miss Universe. The selection is rather based on political reasons. You can compare the winners from this competition, from back in 1990s to those who get the selection now. Back then, the winners used to be really good looking (that doesn't mean that they lagged behind in other characteristics such as communication). Look at the winners now, and in reality they would struggle to win a neighborhood beauty contest.

Do you really think the recent elected winners aren't pretty? For me the recent and the older ones are in the same beauty pattern... I just think it's curious there isn't any blue eyes, blonde, germanic winners, but every other ethnicities are represented there.

Miss Universe is really a tough task, because each person has their personal preferences regards appearance and behavior of a woman. Nowadays there is the agenda of "female empowerment" inside the feminism, that is a fact, but even if it wasn't for it, I think we couldn't reach an agreement on who should win the competition anyway, because of those personal preferences each one of us have.

It is definitely a tough task. To come here a participant must be proficient in various aspects. Apart from participating in beauty pageants in their own country, the participants have to be involved in modeling, cultural activities. The contestant has to be the first in the beauty pageant in her home country. Miss Universe is selected based on physical beauty as well as talent and skills ‍and when a contestant wins the modeling and acting skills of Miss Universe and the fashion pageant of her country then she can enter this international event.

[nullama]

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IMO, the reason for the declining popularity is due to the fact that beautiful women are no longer getting elected as Miss Universe. The selection is rather based on political reasons. You can compare the winners from this competition, from back in 1990s to those who get the selection now. Back then, the winners used to be really good looking (that doesn't mean that they lagged behind in other characteristics such as communication). Look at the winners now, and in reality they would struggle to win a neighborhood beauty contest.

There has been a massive change in how the contest works, and what they are looking for in a contestant. It's definitely different than in the 90s and before where the only thing that mattered was how the women look.

Now they add a lot of geopolitical stuff, and many other things, that might not be related to beauty.

It's a private contest so they can do anything they want, but I guess that's also why it's not so popular these days.

[Sithara007]

There has been a massive change in how the contest works, and what they are looking for in a contestant. It's definitely different than in the 90s and before where the only thing that mattered was how the women look.

Now they add a lot of geopolitical stuff, and many other things, that might not be related to beauty.

It's a private contest so they can do anything they want, but I guess that's also why it's not so popular these days.

Like I said earlier, in a beauty contest, the primary metric should be "beauty".

I don't have any concern, in case they want to keep other metrics such as political orientation and communication skills, but these should be supplementary. When you have ugly looking winners selected as Miss Universe, just because of the so called "geopolitical concerns", then the contest itself loses its relevance. And this is the exact reason for declining popularity of this contest. I don't expect any changes to the competition format or scoring, as the organizers remain adamant about imposing their political views on others. So in the long term, this competition will become redundant and obsolete.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Regarding this competition, I have only seen some videos, it is not a reliable source, therefore I do not bring it with the source as I like to make my publications regarding everything that has to do with Gambling, games, bets, but I have given that in this Miss Universe there are many complaints, firstly because the owner is the brother of Miss USA, apart from that it is said that in the Final the decision of the judges was all for Venezuela and according to the fact that the next Miss Universe It won't matter if the woman is married, with children, and I don't know if they will include any other gender, because I think that because of this, interest in this competition is dropping.

[KTChampions]

There has been a massive change in how the contest works, and what they are looking for in a contestant. It's definitely different than in the 90s and before where the only thing that mattered was how the women look.

Now they add a lot of geopolitical stuff, and many other things, that might not be related to beauty.

It's a private contest so they can do anything they want, but I guess that's also why it's not so popular these days.

Like I said earlier, in a beauty contest, the primary metric should be "beauty".

I don't have any concern, in case they want to keep other metrics such as political orientation and communication skills, but these should be supplementary. When you have ugly looking winners selected as Miss Universe, just because of the so called "geopolitical concerns", then the contest itself loses its relevance. And this is the exact reason for declining popularity of this contest. I don't expect any changes to the competition format or scoring, as the organizers remain adamant about imposing their political views on others. So in the long term, this competition will become redundant and obsolete.

This competition has never been important or meaningful. And the fading of its popularity (in fact it is only a decrease in the ecosystem of such contests) is a consequence of global trends. Now everyone can enjoy the beauty that he personally likes - with the help of Instagram, onlyfans or even neural networks. There is no point in watching some outdated contest.

[Agbe]

Is anyone going to disagree with me, if I claim that the importance of this competition is going down? Back in 1994, when Sushmita Sen was elected as the Miss Universe, there was a lot of coverage in the Indian media about it. The media coverage was much more modest back in 2000, when Lara Dutta won the title (2nd time for India). And when Harnaaz Sandhu became the Miss Universe in 2021, hardly any media outlets here gave importance to that news. I am talking about India, but for other countries it maybe different.

BTW, here are some facts that may help the gamblers:

Ever since the competition started in 1952, United States has won the maximum number of times (9), followed by Venezuela (7).
22 of the winners came from North America and 15 from South America.
Winners for the most recent 5 competitions are - United States, India, Mexico, South Africa and Philippines.

My man clam down, I agree with from the view point that  the world Miss universe show is like before again, that is the truth about it. They have fashionated everything that the show is no longer interested. But for the coverage for the show or carrying out the news of the winner also depends on the amount of the money used by the organizers. Probably Indian candidate sponsored the program to be broadcast even after the show and when the winner has finally selected.  The world competitions are not like before again play football. In those days I can't sleep when world cup is going on but today everything is upside down. We are still praying to bring back that interesting glory to the world events.

[Vaculin]

There has been a massive change in how the contest works, and what they are looking for in a contestant. It's definitely different than in the 90s and before where the only thing that mattered was how the women look.

Now they add a lot of geopolitical stuff, and many other things, that might not be related to beauty.

It's a private contest so they can do anything they want, but I guess that's also why it's not so popular these days.

Like I said earlier, in a beauty contest, the primary metric should be "beauty".

I don't have any concern, in case they want to keep other metrics such as political orientation and communication skills, but these should be supplementary. When you have ugly looking winners selected as Miss Universe, just because of the so called "geopolitical concerns", then the contest itself loses its relevance. And this is the exact reason for declining popularity of this contest. I don't expect any changes to the competition format or scoring, as the organizers remain adamant about imposing their political views on others. So in the long term, this competition will become redundant and obsolete.

This competition has never been important or meaningful. And the fading of its popularity (in fact it is only a decrease in the ecosystem of such contests) is a consequence of global trends. Now everyone can enjoy the beauty that he personally likes - with the help of Instagram, onlyfans or even neural networks. There is no point in watching some outdated contest.

Well, it has been giving high relevance way back then but I think as time goes by, it’s slowly losing its essence as Ms Universe has somehow become rigged already and that probably those winners are not that deserving having that certain title. I know this is all about beauty and brain, but seems nowadays the essence of beauty has gone already, only the brain now that matters the most which for me I totally disagree as both beauty and brain should be constantly present.

[Lanatsa]

There has been a massive change in how the contest works, and what they are looking for in a contestant. It's definitely different than in the 90s and before where the only thing that mattered was how the women look.

Now they add a lot of geopolitical stuff, and many other things, that might not be related to beauty.

It's a private contest so they can do anything they want, but I guess that's also why it's not so popular these days.

Like I said earlier, in a beauty contest, the primary metric should be "beauty".

I don't have any concern, in case they want to keep other metrics such as political orientation and communication skills, but these should be supplementary. When you have ugly looking winners selected as Miss Universe, just because of the so called "geopolitical concerns", then the contest itself loses its relevance. And this is the exact reason for declining popularity of this contest. I don't expect any changes to the competition format or scoring, as the organizers remain adamant about imposing their political views on others. So in the long term, this competition will become redundant and obsolete.

This competition has never been important or meaningful. And the fading of its popularity (in fact it is only a decrease in the ecosystem of such contests) is a consequence of global trends. Now everyone can enjoy the beauty that he personally likes - with the help of Instagram, onlyfans or even neural networks. There is no point in watching some outdated contest.

Well, it has been giving high relevance way back then but I think as time goes by, it’s slowly losing its essence as Ms Universe has somehow become rigged already and that probably those winners are not that deserving having that certain title. I know this is all about beauty and brain, but seems nowadays the essence of beauty has gone already, only the brain now that matters the most which for me I totally disagree as both beauty and brain should be constantly present.

Well
So the recent Miss Universe isnt really that having the beauty?  Well, we could really make out some comparison in between other competing countries which its true that lots are more beautiful but there's no thing we can do since they had made out the decision and i do agree that it is somewhat rigged considering on those important factors are lacking.For us to have their own bets and preference then
lets just moved on because we dont have the rights on doing so and they do basing up with some criteria and there's nothing we can do about it but to move on. 
Its over and lets just hope that then next one should really be that convincing at least.

[Distinctin]

Regarding this competition, I have only seen some videos, it is not a reliable source, therefore I do not bring it with the source as I like to make my publications regarding everything that has to do with Gambling, games, bets, but I have given that in this Miss Universe there are many complaints, firstly because the owner is the brother of Miss USA, apart from that it is said that in the Final the decision of the judges was all for Venezuela and according to the fact that the next Miss Universe It won't matter if the woman is married, with children, and I don't know if they will include any other gender, because I think that because of this, interest in this competition is dropping.

This competition is going to be obsolete and become outdated I guess. The beauty pageant has now lost its true essence on part of being a woman, knowing even a transgender will now be accepted in the next year’s Miss Universe probably knowing the new owner is a transgender itself. And yes, considering married women are already welcome to join, I guess that is way more absurd knowing this game is hopefully for single women out there only.

[stomachgrowls]

Regarding this competition, I have only seen some videos, it is not a reliable source, therefore I do not bring it with the source as I like to make my publications regarding everything that has to do with Gambling, games, bets, but I have given that in this Miss Universe there are many complaints, firstly because the owner is the brother of Miss USA, apart from that it is said that in the Final the decision of the judges was all for Venezuela and according to the fact that the next Miss Universe It won't matter if the woman is married, with children, and I don't know if they will include any other gender, because I think that because of this, interest in this competition is dropping.

This competition is going to be obsolete and become outdated I guess. The beauty pageant has now lost its true essence on part of being a woman, knowing even a transgender will now be accepted in the next year’s Miss Universe probably knowing the new owner is a transgender itself. And yes, considering married women are already welcome to join, I guess that is way more absurd knowing this game is hopefully for single women out there only.

Its not really that Miss Universe that we do know on which pure women and single(not married) would be able to join.So the new owner is the one who messes up this competition which we do know that this is something

that lots of country representatives is trying to compete for and now they are really that allowing on things which arent supposed to be allowed.It is really that removing the over all essence of the competition.

Well, if this one would end up on this new mechanics and rules then im sure that it would really be in resulting on least anticipating and exciting competition not like in the past years.