Can any one set up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?

[franky1]

I have not asked for some one to make blockchain for me.

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Can any one set up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?

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It will be great if some one help me by setting up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?

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It will be great if some one help me by setting up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?  I think the legal matter and Justice need the decentralized, non government Blockchain Court of Justice, where any one and every can cast their verdict as Jury  after reading the case submitted by the Victims.

Sounds like a good idea when we imagine it. But in reality, not everything can be programmed. Blockchain can help establish a court with exact settings, but this will not necessarily achieve justice.
Using smart contracts, this system can be worked on, but human intervention cannot be abandoned. This is simply because the input data can always be manipulated and the rules circumvented.
I remember years ago that someone was working on launching a smart contract that works to achieve fair voting operations during an election or referendum. And I think that he faces the same problems, as it cannot be officially adopted, since the votes can be manipulated.

[franky1]

Bitcoin Blockchain isn't even efficient to store such as data. IPFS and BitTorrent protocol can do it more efficiently and also more accessible due to availability of user-friendly software.

i didnt want to list all the pitfalls in one go to moses. it would blow his mind. i wanted to slowly poke at his lack of care of detail and research. just to see if he can either come back with a better master plan to show he even gives a crap and wants to do something.. or like always from him. just wants someone to be his slave and do it all for him including coming up with the rules and concepts and protocols... and make something... so he can take it, pretend he made it and then try to make money from it by saying its his product(as usual)

it is funny watching him squirm from one half assed idea to the next never putting in the effort to think about it and then start ranting

i did say to him to stop wasting his time on his previous nonsense. to grow some morals and think up a viable ethical business that he could start himself.. .. seems months later(now) he has not changed his ways and continues his silly antics

[BitcoinMoses]

Where there is a Bitcoin Banana Tree and ripen Bitcoin Banana, ofcourse you will find Bitcoin moneys around trying to hack and steal people's Bitcoin. So, it is essential to create a Blockchain court of Justicce to make correct judgement, while the nation sate government's justice system is colluded with bribery.


if you think we can do something to find solution for crack hole in the lagal system we must use cryptography solve some problem. In rat race of capitalism and inheritance rights plutocracy there is no solution for victims. so, lets try our best to find a better solution for social justice.

[kryptqnick]

Okay, a couple of thoughts there. One is that if a financial crime happens, including crypto scams and robberies, there are already traditional authorities who will investigate it and give their verdict. Sometimes traditional institutions can be pretty successful, sometimes they aren't, but they have legitimacy and can enforce a decision. There's also an international system of justice, but it's way less enforced, even though it is legitimate. What kind of legitimacy would a Blockchain Court of Justice have, on what grounds? Why would people recognize its decisions as anything more than an opinion of a bunch of people? How will it have any means to enforce a decision if a convict just says no to whatever the court decided? Will this court send anyone to prison? If not, that's very different from most decisions of courts, and if yes, I think it will technically count as unlawful limitation of someone's freedom.
A second matter is more theoretical. What makes you think that people will decide cases better than specialists with law degrees? There's a good episode of a TV show called the Orville on direct democracy, showing why it may seem like a good idea but be a pretty bad idea.

[franky1]

Where there is a Bitcoin Banana Tree and ripen Bitcoin Banana, ofcourse you will find Bitcoin moneys around trying to hack and steal people's Bitcoin. So, it is essential to create a Blockchain court of Justicce to make correct judgement, while the nation sate government's justice system is colluded with bribery.


if you think we can do something to find solution for crack hole in the lagal system we must use cryptography solve some problem. In rat race of capitalism and inheritance rights plutocracy there is no solution for victims. so, lets try our best to find a better solution for social justice.

the funny thing is this..
if there was a court system where people can vote on if btc was stolen where the node judgement verdict by peers then allows the funds to move from said UTXO to the determined victim without needing a signature of the UTXO.. becomes its own break in bitcoin law.
whereby scammers will say that they owned certain stash of coins and want them back and get alot of sybil nodes to vote to favour the scammers story. and boom. scammer gets the coins

again moses has spouted out a "product" he wants to promote.sell. before doing any initial planning/prototype/theory about how his product will function
so here is a challenge for moses.

you say some social drama about real world court systems are not perfect.. we get that

but now give an example of how you envision your "bitcoin court" to function
give us the layout and functionality you envision

lets see how much you have actually thought about your promoted product you want others to make for you.

show us how you fore see the jury system to work. how the jurors then vote. and how to enforce that judgement to rectify an in justice

lets use a example scenario
EG imagine there is a dispute of 2 people saying they both own the same stash of coins. or one side makes a claim over a stash but lost the privkey and the true owner just isnt around anymore to defend against such claim.

now lets see how you envision a bitcoin justice system

[eaLiTy]

It will be great if some one help me by setting up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?  I think the legal matter and Justice need the decentralized, non government Blockchain Court of Justice, where any one and every can cast their verdict as Jury  after reading the case submitted by the Victims.

You want a kangaroo court for the entire cryptocurrency space  . Better we have a reputation and scam accusation thread, if you have any issues with any project or individual regarding any scam accusation in the cryptocurrency space, you can post them here and with enough proof and validation the users who are anonymous will raise their opinion about the situation and what more do we need as this is the forum where everything about cryptocurrency are discussed.

[CryptSafe]

It will be great if some one help me by setting up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?  I think the legal matter and Justice need the decentralized, non government Blockchain Court of Justice, where any one and every can cast their verdict as Jury  after reading the case submitted by the Victims.

Very funny and laughable though,  the legal system should not be brought into the decentralized world of Crypto currencies. I will only advocate for blockchain lawyers but not a blockchain court otherwise expect a corrupt system mixed up with partial legal process leading to corrupt and messed up practices. If you really have clues what a decentralized system means then you would not be talking about this. Decentralized simply means freedom form centralised system which means nobody has a say over a system as it runs. This is the soul reason why the government fight against the Crypto currencies and want to regulate them and all these indirectly involves a legal process so tell me is it that same process you want bitcoin to thread going against Satoshi Nakamoto original plan? I do not think your idea would be nice to adopt as it has to do with court system which is not what the blockchain industry want and I do not think that would be feasible to go into.

[Leviathan.007]

nothing need to be set up
its simple

a judge can say
if you find him guilty deposit your 0.0001 ($2) and fund his prison time to address X
if you find him innocent deposit your 0.0001 ($2) and fund his compensation for having his time wasted being accused

the court exists.. however. trying to get justice.. no code can program "human"
it just becomes who can social drama the best story of what events happened, and make their story the most viral to get most votes.. you cant program that

From what understood I can say technically you won't need any court of justice for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and there is not necessary to have a blockchain court justice because the normal can solve the problem and bitcoin will be considered a normal asset like gold and another thing. But in the end, the most important thing is having the knowledge of these technologies on the court because if they don't have this knowledge they can't make decisions at at least they need to have some experts in the court.

[ultrloa]

It will be great if some one help me by setting up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?  I think the legal matter and Justice need the decentralized, non government Blockchain Court of Justice, where any one and every can cast their verdict as Jury  after reading the case submitted by the Victims.

There is existing law enforcement team can handle that and there's no need to set up a new one since you can just go directly to your government and ask some help towards the case you are dealing up, just make sure to bring concrete evidence so that they will find you case relevant.

If you think someone can set up this easily well that will be hard since you need the government support or approval to make this plan to happen.

[KingsDen]

How about the aspect of the law? Would anybody just vote according to their own personal sense of morality and interpretation? To be honest, this might actually be better than the current rotten justice system in which there is only one judge who is neither a saint nor objective. But is it possible to just base decisions on our personal sense of right and wrong? And who will enforce the decisions of the court? Are we going to set up a police force also?

He might not have put his idea in a more detailed and correct way but I see sense in what he is trying to convey. I had involved in such a conversation here in the forum before when someone proposed that blockchain should be used during election to select leaders that are credible and the system will not be corrupted by individuals since the decision making will be decentralized.

I had to further ask if we can have a decentralized government through the blockchain. A government where everyone will partake in decision-making in the economy finances and legal.  But the problem could be how the blockchain functions. It logs results and not read logic.

[jokers10]

It will be great if some one help me by setting up a Blockchain Court of Justice ?  I think the legal matter and Justice need the decentralized, non government Blockchain Court of Justice, where any one and every can cast their verdict as Jury  after reading the case submitted by the Victims.

You go to court not just because you believe it but because it's decisions are guaranteed by coercion of a state to which this court belongs. If nobody can force to follow the court order then this court will not work. So decentralized court is a strange idea.

If you believe the other party you want to meet in a court will follow the order of a third party you both respect you can ask this third party to be an arbiter for you without any formal organisation.

[franky1]

it would have to be a system of locking value up on both sides where if guilty you lose that collateral.
if innocent the claimant has to release his amount which is an amount that covers the legal costs

which in a blockchain system would be a low amount compared to real world court systems of legal costs

issues still arise of how to vet evidence and peers to be the jury to ensure its a fair judgement and not just a sybil attack of one side fake voting to sway an agenda

[jokers10]

it would have to be a system of locking value up on both sides where if guilty you lose that collateral.
if innocent the claimant has to release his amount which is an amount that covers the legal costs

which in a blockchain system would be a low amount compared to real world court systems of legal costs

issues still arise of how to vet evidence and peers to be the jury to ensure its a fair judgement and not just a sybil attack of one side fake voting to sway an agenda

If you trust a third party your money you can just use an escrow. But well, imagine we have such a script which can automatically get money and randomly choose jurors: why the second party to which you have a pretension would agree with you to use such a tool? Why should you believe in some random people? How much should be they paid for considering them attentive, careful and fair enough? How many cases can meet all conditions? Isn't it easier just to ask some reputable person to look at your case not inventing something that probably would not be useful?

[Apraun Seupot]

In my brain, the concept of a decentralized, non-governmental court of justice is definitely something that has the potential to revolutionize the justice system.

With a blockchain-based system, the verdicts and decisions would be transparent and not subject to manipulation or tampering. It would also allow for a wider pool of jurors, as anyone with an internet connection could participate in the process.

I think it's worth exploring the idea further and seeing if it's feasible to implement a blockchain-based court of justice. So, it would certainly be a radical departure from the traditional justice system. And but, it could also lead to more transparency and accountability in legal matters.

[jokers10]

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It would also allow for a wider pool of jurors, as anyone with an internet connection could participate in the process.
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Do you really want to be judged by the ones who want to judge by their own choice? It is not the same as a traditional jury in which anyone can can be called.

In the countries where court has to publish all its decision at public the difference between blockchain and regular publication is not big: everyone has an option of saving an own copy and many do so. So you always can check some old case if it was fair, who was a judge, etc.

So no need in blockchain decisions for justice.