Boxing: Nonito Donaire vs Jason Moloney

[Questat]

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

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[btc_angela]

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

[Kelvinid]

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

[Jating]

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

Mayweather doesn't want to lose that's why he retire, didn't give Manny a rematch and contented that no one take his 0.

As compare to the GOAT like Muhammad Ali who is willing to face the best and not afraid to lose.

So for Inoue this is yet another opportunity for him to fight for the belt win or lose and he might be looking to set another record. If Manny become the older 147 lbs champion at 40 years old, Donaire can set that record too at the bantamweight division.

[arwin100]

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that. Maybe its better for OP to close this thread now since Donaire vs Moloney  is no longer happening and there's nothing to discuss about more further updates regarding this match.

[Sanitough]

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

Yeah, he is taking the opportunity to earn because retirement would be another story. Well, he might follow Pacman getting into exhibition fights, but we know he is not as popular as Pacman, so it's say to say that he'll not earn like how much Pacman is making.

[Pamadar]

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

Yeah, he is taking the opportunity to earn because retirement would be another story. Well, he might follow Pacman getting into exhibition fights, but we know he is not as popular as Pacman, so it's say to say that he'll not earn like how much Pacman is making.

He can still fight and as a fighter it will be an honor if there's still offers that will allow you to earn a decent amount of profits, I don't see him in the position that he will retire, still capable of throwing solid punches and manage to win.

Though speed wise, he's no longer the same flash as he has been a decade ago, but with his good
skills in observing his opponents, he can still throw that hook and still follow up with a solid right to
put his opponent down.

[harizen]

So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

As ranked Rank 2 in the Bantamweight even after losing to Inoue, it just makes sense that Donaire will get some big opportunity once Inoue moved up weight. I agree with you that as long as there's a big opportunity, do not hang the gloves yet.

Unfortunately, what a crap happened that this fight against Moloney won't be materialized. Moloney is really my preferred opponent for Donaire to see if the Filipino Flash can still match with top bantamweight boxers aside from Naoya Inoue.

Maybe its better for OP to close this thread now since Donaire vs Moloney  is no longer happening and there's nothing to discuss about more further updates regarding this match.

Let's give at least a few days to give way for posts related to Donaire-Moloney not being spammed or mentioned on other threads. The recent news referring to Moloney backing out with the mandatory fight was still hot and fresh though and still makes sense to discuss.

[Baofeng]

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that. Maybe its better for OP to close this thread now since Donaire vs Moloney  is no longer happening and there's nothing to discuss about more further updates regarding this match.

I can't recall, but Donaire says that he has a lot of investments, money that he earn in his boxing career, and probably same with Manny too. So it's not that they will have to lose huge money when they retire, they can still live a good life after boxing.

It's that this boxers can't accept the fact that they are no longer fighting, some of them have been doing it when they are still a young boy, it's their career so it's hard to just quit and not do it anymore. That's why we see boxers coming out of retirement or now, doing some exhibitions fights.

[Lanatsa]

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

Yeah, he is taking the opportunity to earn because retirement would be another story. Well, he might follow Pacman getting into exhibition fights, but we know he is not as popular as Pacman, so it's say to say that he'll not earn like how much Pacman is making.

When there are still fights which had been arranged up to be potentially be against up with then it does signifies that you are still that able to fight up and theres still that interest and recognition.Overall target of

each athlete is to bag up as long as they can as long as they arent retired or been stopped because they would be having no other main sources if ever it would be cut off unless if they had made out
some passive investment out of those boxing paycheck then its good.I dont think that Donaire would be going into that exhibition craze or trend and its true that he isnt
really that as popular than with MP so its understandable on what it would really be looks like.

[goinmerry]

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

Yeah, he is taking the opportunity to earn because retirement would be another story. Well, he might follow Pacman getting into exhibition fights, but we know he is not as popular as Pacman, so it's say to say that he'll not earn like how much Pacman is making.

Seriously, where did you guys get these ideas? Do you guys really think Donaire is not retiring yet because money matters?

He feels he can still match with those remaining Bantamweight boxers now that Inoue moved up. Donaire already face the fiercest monster in the Bantamweight and that experience makes him think that he can still dominate other Bantamweight.

As long as he's pursuing only a title match, I will gladly support him. But if it's just about another match with no bearing, better to retire. Fortunately, he was still at the top of the rankings that's why even at 40 years old, he's still getting a chance for a title match.

[tabas]

Seriously, where did you guys get these ideas? Do you guys really think Donaire is not retiring yet because money matters?

He feels he can still match with those remaining Bantamweight boxers now that Inoue moved up. Donaire already face the fiercest monster in the Bantamweight and that experience makes him think that he can still dominate other Bantamweight.

As long as he's pursuing only a title match, I will gladly support him. But if it's just about another match with no bearing, better to retire. Fortunately, he was still at the top of the rankings that's why even at 40 years old, he's still getting a chance for a title match.

Like the idea that after his title match, many speculates that he'll retire after. The guess that we mostly have is about his retirement should come very soon but before doing that, he has to satisfy himself and get that title before it finally happens. I agree with you that there's no more big barricade for the title as Inoue has already left it vacated and that's why the opportunity for Donaire is there and he has to come and take it. And anyway, since this match won't be up soon anymore and has already been said to be cancelled since Moloney declined the offer, much better to lock the topic.

[Kemarit]

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

Yeah, he is taking the opportunity to earn because retirement would be another story. Well, he might follow Pacman getting into exhibition fights, but we know he is not as popular as Pacman, so it's say to say that he'll not earn like how much Pacman is making.

He can still fight and as a fighter it will be an honor if there's still offers that will allow you to earn a decent amount of profits, I don't see him in the position that he will retire, still capable of throwing solid punches and manage to win.

Though speed wise, he's no longer the same flash as he has been a decade ago, but with his good
skills in observing his opponents, he can still throw that hook and still follow up with a solid right to
put his opponent down.

There will be always be offer for Donaire, he is rank in all of the governing bodies in the bantamweight, so no doubt that he will be the most sought after boxers to carry their belt since Inoue left already.

As for the money, again, he has his wife as manager, so obviously Rachel knows a thing or two on how to handle their money. So I doubt that they are looking for it just to earn in boxing. Nonito will hang his gloves if he feels like and most likely if Rachel advises him to stop boxing. Just like what Jinky has been telling Manny all along to retire.

[mirakal]

Seriously, where did you guys get these ideas? Do you guys really think Donaire is not retiring yet because money matters?

He feels he can still match with those remaining Bantamweight boxers now that Inoue moved up. Donaire already face the fiercest monster in the Bantamweight and that experience makes him think that he can still dominate other Bantamweight.

As long as he's pursuing only a title match, I will gladly support him. But if it's just about another match with no bearing, better to retire. Fortunately, he was still at the top of the rankings that's why even at 40 years old, he's still getting a chance for a title match.

Like the idea that after his title match, many speculates that he'll retire after. The guess that we mostly have is about his retirement should come very soon but before doing that, he has to satisfy himself and get that title before it finally happens. I agree with you that there's no more big barricade for the title as Inoue has already left it vacated and that's why the opportunity for Donaire is there and he has to come and take it. And anyway, since this match won't be up soon anymore and has already been said to be cancelled since Moloney declined the offer, much better to lock the topic.

Yes, there's only two options but there's still no guarantees about it even if the chances are higher that Donaire will hang his gloves if he will prevail in this fight and will be a world champion once again. Why? That would be a good exit for him rather than retiring after having a defeat and certainly, Inoue won't be a factor for that because he can still do a good job in the ring especially now that the biggest threat already climbed up.

[tabas]

Yes, there's only two options but there's still no guarantees about it even if the chances are higher that Donaire will hang his gloves if he will prevail in this fight and will be a world champion once again. Why? That would be a good exit for him rather than retiring after having a defeat and certainly, Inoue won't be a factor for that because he can still do a good job in the ring especially now that the biggest threat already climbed up.

That's the thought that most fans are having right now. With the last fight that he's got with Inoue, it's hard to extract that result for the retirement that might had planned.
But, as long as there's still some vacant title and he will no longer be fighting Inoue since it's proven that he's having a hard time against him, then he'll take chances no matter and whoever will be the next opponent he'll be required to fight.

[Kelvinid]

Yes, there's only two options but there's still no guarantees about it even if the chances are higher that Donaire will hang his gloves if he will prevail in this fight and will be a world champion once again. Why? That would be a good exit for him rather than retiring after having a defeat and certainly, Inoue won't be a factor for that because he can still do a good job in the ring especially now that the biggest threat already climbed up.

That's the thought that most fans are having right now. With the last fight that he's got with Inoue, it's hard to extract that result for the retirement that might had planned.
But, as long as there's still some vacant title and he will no longer be fighting Inoue since it's proven that he's having a hard time against him, then he'll take chances no matter and whoever will be the next opponent he'll be required to fight.

They are lucky that Inoue decided to move up, otherwise, this division will be owned by Inoue as long as he stays active. Well, this is Donaire's chance to prove that he still has the capability of becoming a champion, I mean he is old if we based on his age, but who are we to judge him when he still think he can still go toe to toe against younger boxers.

[Baofeng]

Yes, there's only two options but there's still no guarantees about it even if the chances are higher that Donaire will hang his gloves if he will prevail in this fight and will be a world champion once again. Why? That would be a good exit for him rather than retiring after having a defeat and certainly, Inoue won't be a factor for that because he can still do a good job in the ring especially now that the biggest threat already climbed up.

That's the thought that most fans are having right now. With the last fight that he's got with Inoue, it's hard to extract that result for the retirement that might had planned.
But, as long as there's still some vacant title and he will no longer be fighting Inoue since it's proven that he's having a hard time against him, then he'll take chances no matter and whoever will be the next opponent he'll be required to fight.

They are lucky that Inoue decided to move up, otherwise, this division will be owned by Inoue as long as he stays active. Well, this is Donaire's chance to prove that he still has the capability of becoming a champion, I mean he is old if we based on his age, but who are we to judge him when he still think he can still go toe to toe against younger boxers.

Usually though in this era, boxers tend to go up in weight immediately, even after just capturing 1 belt. In this case, Inoue has plans to get all the 4 belts. But the problem usually though is that it's hard to defend those 4 belts because each has it's own rule as to will be the mandatory fighter.

Just look at Josh Taylor at 140 lbs, after winning 4 belts, the body force him to fight their mandatory fighter. Now he has to vacant all the 3 belts and then just defend only 1 against Jack Catterall twice (rematch was postponed though as he is injured again). So it's better for Inoue to just move up in weight and now just to stay at 122 lbs for a long time.

[goinmerry]

They are lucky that Inoue decided to move up, otherwise, this division will be owned by Inoue as long as he stays active.

Lucky as it should be but Inoue already finish his task at the 118 therefore it's not making sense to stay and do some title defense instead.

It will be a waste of time to just stay in the division where he is clearly the pure dominant. He should take advantage of his prime and deciding to move up weight is the best decision he did. If he plans to also capture all the titles at the 122, he can consider doing that. With his promoter Bob Arum, they can negotiate a big fight right away if they really intend to do it eagerly, especially for a world title fight.

As of this time, there's no clear opponent that Donaire might fight next. No words from Moloney too. Maybe told by his Boss to keep his mouth shut lol.

[inthelongrun]

So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that.

As ranked Rank 2 in the Bantamweight even after losing to Inoue, it just makes sense that Donaire will get some big opportunity once Inoue moved up weight. I agree with you that as long as there's a big opportunity, do not hang the gloves yet.

Unfortunately, what a crap happened that this fight against Moloney won't be materialized. Moloney is really my preferred opponent for Donaire to see if the Filipino Flash can still match with top bantamweight boxers aside from Naoya Inoue.

Fighting for a title again is a good opportunity for Donaire although I am not sure if he can really get his wish of getting a title shot in the super fly for his chance of becoming a 5-division world champion. That would be very historic for him as he can join Leonard, Hearns, and Mayweather. De La Hoya got 6 and Pacman got 8. Maybe if he wins this belt, he can offer any of the champions at super fly especially Estrada for a double-division title fight. This means they will fight at the super fly limit but at the same time, Donaire is also defending his WBC bantamweight belt.

Donaire might have a lot of opportunities since he is a clear future Hall of Famer. I just hope Rachel will prioritize Donaire's health and focus on that superfly dream this year and if they don't get it, her ward should retire for good. I don't want Donaire to follow the steps of ex-champ Jab Judah who was tempted to fight at 42 years old and was later hospitalized for brain bleeding.

Maybe its better for OP to close this thread now since Donaire vs Moloney  is no longer happening and there's nothing to discuss about more further updates regarding this match.

Let's give at least a few days to give way for posts related to Donaire-Moloney not being spammed or mentioned on other threads. The recent news referring to Moloney backing out with the mandatory fight was still hot and fresh though and still makes sense to discuss.

Yes, and as mentioned, all are still possible until new deals and announcements are made. The WBC hasn't made another official mandatory yet. Moloney's camp didn't mention either as to which belt they are really trying to pursue. It's still complicated as Moloney, Astrolabio, Rodriguez, WBC, IBF, and WBO are all interconnected with their decisions.

[btc_angela]

They are lucky that Inoue decided to move up, otherwise, this division will be owned by Inoue as long as he stays active.

As of this time, there's no clear opponent that Donaire might fight next. No words from Moloney too. Maybe told by his Boss to keep his mouth shut lol.

Or probably they are talking to other promoters on how to settle this one since Moloney or his camp doesn't want Donaire.

And so before Donaire opens his mouth, at least the fight should be 99% in the bag already, no more last second backing up just like what happen here. As for Inoue moving up, it's good for the Donaire, opening up a lot of opportunities for boxers to get a belt.

So let's wait for Donaire or on Moloney side, for sure all bodies are looking to have a fight as all the belts are open now. They immediately need a champion.