My Apology to Bitcoin Community and Request for another Chance

[The Sceptical Chymist]

aTriz [BPIP] [FLAG - archive [1] [2]] and jamalaezaz [BPIP] [FLAGS - archive [1] [2]] were controlled by the same account as recently as 11/9/2019 according to BPIPSec Log info and 1/13/2023 according to the FLAGS page.

Really?  I've had a few PM conversations with aTriz, and I could swear his English was at least 5 times better than jamalaezaz's.  I suppose the aTriz account could have changed hands, but that connection seems strange to me.

In any case, there seem to be a lot of people supporting OP based on his promises.  That's all fine and dandy, but apologies are useless and promises to not repeat shady behavior are just words until actions prove whether said promises were kept.  And from the point of view of a DT member who left a feedback that was meant to warn the community about some serious dishonesty, there's no way I'm going to remove a negative based on apologies and promises.  I've seen too many of them, and I'm too jaded to reverse a feedback in a case like this.

[digaran]

Good luck finding Lutpin and Marlboro ( brand of a cigar, high quality stuff ). I know the one and only forum Chymist is a bit harsh acting like a tough guy, but he has a big heart, in time he'll come around seeing changes not just words.

And as always this Timelord dude, he is practically every where doing a lot of work with no recognition from those above in the chain of command.🥱

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Alot of issues associated to OP is much than expected, so i wouldn't see any assurance from not having any reoccurrence in the future since this kind has landed him to the third time, the funny thing is that there are many other users in this manner thinking that they can get away with that, it's just a little more time for their bubbles to get bursted, they can't hide for long, the question you should asked yourself at first is that why do you have to start an unfinished business that will later turn a regret, try to check and work on yourself better than you thought you had done.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I know the one and only forum Chymist is a bit harsh acting like a tough guy, but he has a big heart, in time he'll come around seeing changes not just words.

Yes, the cardiomegaly was noted on my last chest x-ray.  But if you're implying that a soft, cuddly teddy bear lies just beneath my gnarled and hardened exterior....well, you're probably right.  In this particular case however, I see very little hope for jamalaezaz getting his red trust removed (from me; I can't speak for everyone else who negged him all to hell). 

I don't like to use the word never, since my mind can change if situations change, if behavior improves, etc.  Honestly though, does jamalaezaz really think he's got a shot at scrubbing his trust page clean?  As you pointed out, Lutpin and marlboroza seem to have left the forum, and I think there's an infinitesimal chance of their negatives being removed.

[Timelord2067]

Really?

Yup - The connection was made a long time ago and has been run up the Flag pole by a handful of others over time too.

And as always this Timelord dude, he is practically every where doing a lot of work with no recognition from those above in the chain of command.🥱

Thanks for the kind words.  I'm much obliged as they say.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrzWv_M94a8

[Razmirraz]

I can only say Dare to do, must dare to be responsible.
Past mistakes have disappointed Hunters, they get nothing when your bounty is over. I'm not sure Hunters who have failed to get paid can take advantage of your mistakes, DT Members have personal views on the negative feedback they leave on your profile.
The word sorry from Hunter will not change anything on your profile, only DT members have the power to change everything. Then how about this https://archive.is/IoQib

[ScamViruS]

You have cheated using every means that can be used. Many of the projects you manage are scammed, and bounty hunters don't get paid what they deserve. You are responsible for this failure, because you should have done minimum researches before launching the bounty of any project, but you did not do it.

I don't think problem about Bounties campaign have been scam later but many project under @jamalaezaz have been success but never got payment yet although listing on market with higher price. There are not problem with little mistake about bounties campaign running have been scam later due pre sale not running well, but several his under controlling bounties was success and he don't give clearly about team project was sent payment or not.

Every one have mistake and I don't know what level kinds need forgiveness, now lets see how many DT give second chance for @jamalaezaz by removing their negative feedback.

I don't know the full extent of his past activities, but from what I do know, there are many reasons why his reputation is at such a bad level. I opened a thread about the Tokenpay Bounty he managed, but there was no proper reply from him. Tokenpay Scammed $350,000 bounty payment..

Jamalaezaz added many screenshots in Tokenpay's ANN thread, in which it is clear that he was involved in an argument with the Tokenpay team for the sake of getting referral commission. As a result the bounty hunters did not get paid. Because he was more concerned about the referral commission than the bounty payment.

Whose activities were like this, and did all kinds of cheating for the sake of money. Even if you give him a second, third, or unlimited chance, he will find new ways to cheat again.

[JollyGood]

I do not remember seeing that thread before but he made one post in that thread you linked:  Tokenpay Scammed $350,000 bounty payment... His answer is not exactly useful when looking at the context of the actual thread and also the Tokenpay ANN but I suppose he wrote a lot in the edited OP of the ANN thread where he says a lot about the non-payment so probably did not want to repeat.

I don't know the full extent of his past activities, but from what I do know, there are many reasons why his reputation is at such a bad level. I opened a thread about the Tokenpay Bounty he managed, but there was no proper reply from him. Tokenpay Scammed $350,000 bounty payment..

Jamalaezaz added many screenshots in Tokenpay's ANN thread, in which it is clear that he was involved in an argument with the Tokenpay team for the sake of getting referral commission. As a result the bounty hunters did not get paid. Because he was more concerned about the referral commission than the bounty payment.

Whose activities were like this, and did all kinds of cheating for the sake of money. Even if you give him a second, third, or unlimited chance, he will find new ways to cheat again.

[CryptSafe]

You have cheated using every means that can be used. Many of the projects you manage are scammed, and bounty hunters don't get paid what they deserve. You are responsible for this failure, because you should have done minimum researches before launching the bounty of any project, but you did not do it.

I don't think problem about Bounties campaign have been scam later but many project under @jamalaezaz have been success but never got payment yet although listing on market with higher price. There are not problem with little mistake about bounties campaign running have been scam later due pre sale not running well, but several his under controlling bounties was success and he don't give clearly about team project was sent payment or not.

Every one have mistake and I don't know what level kinds need forgiveness, now lets see how many DT give second chance for @jamalaezaz by removing their negative feedback.

I don't know the full extent of his past activities, but from what I do know, there are many reasons why his reputation is at such a bad level. I opened a thread about the Tokenpay Bounty he managed, but there was no proper reply from him. Tokenpay Scammed $350,000 bounty payment..

Jamalaezaz added many screenshots in Tokenpay's ANN thread, in which it is clear that he was involved in an argument with the Tokenpay team for the sake of getting referral commission. As a result the bounty hunters did not get paid. Because he was more concerned about the referral commission than the bounty payment.

Whose activities were like this, and did all kinds of cheating for the sake of money. Even if you give him a second, third, or unlimited chance, he will find new ways to cheat again.

From the looks, it seems @jamal was only concerned with his own interests for which he cheated on his own project which he managed leaving participants to their own fate. Reading from his past,  I already know who he is. It is disappointing that he stoop so low of a bounty manager to have done such which is not expected of him. It is unethical and unprofessional to have gotten himself involved in such situations cheating bounty hunters and lastly, from what I saw in the token pay thread, it does really reflect of him as  a good manager and that is very very bad of him.

[irfan_pak10]

I always believe in second chances that everyone should be given once in their life to prove themselves as we progress being humans we make mistakes once in a while. Jamal made some mistake and he is now repenting which I think is most important. I knew him from last few year and on some occesson we exchanged money and it all went smoothly. He has a good hear. Thats why I beliebve he should be given another chance here to prove himself .

[yahoo62278]

I always believe in second chances that everyone should be given once in their life to prove themselves as we progress being humans we make mistakes once in a while. Jamal made some mistake and he is now repenting which I think is most important. I knew him from last few year and on some occesson we exchanged money and it all went smoothly. He has a good hear. Thats why I beliebve he should be given another chance here to prove himself .

I do not fully agree. He started off with 1 account, then moved on to something like 10, which is fine but 1 being atriz which he may or may not have pulled off some shady dealings with. Now, he suddenly doesn't control any of the accounts. I just don't buy that.

If he was actually repenting, I would say yes, but I don't feel like he is.

[avp2306]

I always believe in second chances that everyone should be given once in their life to prove themselves as we progress being humans we make mistakes once in a while. Jamal made some mistake and he is now repenting which I think is most important. I knew him from last few year and on some occesson we exchanged money and it all went smoothly. He has a good hear. Thats why I beliebve he should be given another chance here to prove himself .

Not everyone deserve second chance especially if he made huge mistake which cost financial damage to many people.

He commit many mistakes so he deserves those feedbacks left on his account.

Huge chances that the same incident will happen again if there's big amount of money involve so to avoid the same thing to happen much better to remain all of the feedback in place and set this as a reminder to other that there's no going back if you commit huge mistake to other forum members.

[T3PR00T]

I always believe in second chances that everyone should be given once in their life to prove themselves as we progress being humans we make mistakes once in a while. Jamal made some mistake and he is now repenting which I think is most important. I knew him from last few year and on some occesson we exchanged money and it all went smoothly. He has a good hear. Thats why I beliebve he should be given another chance here to prove himself .

I do not fully agree. He started off with 1 account, then moved on to something like 10, which is fine but 1 being atriz which he may or may not have pulled off some shady dealings with. Now, he suddenly doesn't control any of the accounts. I just don't buy that.

If he was actually repenting, I would say yes, but I don't feel like he is.

He took his chances for the account but failed. I don't think it matters much for him anymore. By now he already have few good rank ALT accounts, no one will ever know about it. A person with many mistake will continue it, not ignoring the question about alt account is a good proof.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I always believe in second chances that everyone should be given once in their life to prove themselves as we progress being humans we make mistakes once in a while. Jamal made some mistake and he is now repenting which I think is most important. I knew him from last few year and on some occesson we exchanged money and it all went smoothly. He has a good hear. Thats why I beliebve he should be given another chance here to prove himself .

It's not all about the mistake he did alone, but we need to consider the law that guide going through such mistakes, alot of people gave been into such and have been banned or left a number of tags, what we will dig more into is the kind of mistake OP has committed if it's the type that permit for a second chance or not, but we need to be careful when passing this judgement do that everyone will not later get into doing such mess and expect to appeal on reputation for a second chance as well, tags shouldn't bother him if he really never did what deserves such.

[Lucius]

I always believe in second chances that everyone should be given once in their life to prove themselves as we progress being humans we make mistakes once in a while. Jamal made some mistake and he is now repenting which I think is most important. I knew him from last few year and on some occesson we exchanged money and it all went smoothly. He has a good hear. Thats why I beliebve he should be given another chance here to prove himself .

I also believe in second chances and I think that in most cases the majority deserve to get such a chance. But this is not about a second chance, but about a third or as some say a fourth chance for the same member who obviously for some reason cannot resist turning to the dark side.

In addition, there is fairly solid evidence that at least one of his alt accounts has been permanently banned, which means that all other alt accounts, including the one for which he is apologizing, should suffer the same fate.

[Hamza2424]

I'm also not one of those people you've directly or indirectly harmed, but there are plenty of other people in this community feeling the impact of your troubles. I think they can forgive you to some extent, but they should still remember you as a bad person when it comes to campaign management. I guess you will no longer be as clean as before regardless of how many DT's will remove the tag or turn it neutral.

Dear Incidents happen always, as you know the latest one was the wallet hack of julerz12 also I do consider that trust matters a lot but you know Julerz is still working, Royse still working and there are many bounty managers working here. I think it is most common with bounty managers to happen in various ways.

Reputation in the community is a pre-requirement for good projects.

On the second chance demand i think yes its the right of everyone and i belive bro you are going to get a second chance but it can take to come up again with a better face.

[decodx]

Dear Incidents happen always, as you know the latest one was the wallet hack of julerz12 also I do consider that trust matters a lot but you know Julerz is still working, Royse still working and there are many bounty managers working here. I think it is most common with bounty managers to happen in various ways.

Comparing the cases of Julerz12 or Royse777 to this one just isn't right. JamalAezaz is a proven cheater with tons of alt accounts. And on top of that, he managed some seriously questionable bounties. Check out his trust page if you need more proof.

Reputation in the community is a pre-requirement for good projects.

On the second chance demand i think yes its the right of everyone and i belive bro you are going to get a second chance but it can take to come up again with a better face.

A second chance? Sure thing! Why stop at two when you can have a third, fourth, and maybe even a fifth chance?

[JollyGood]

Those that wanted to revise the trust/feedback have done it. Those that question the sincerity of the OP have decided to not revise the trust/feedback therefore this thread serves no purpose now. I would advise the OP to lock the thread.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

A second chance? Sure thing! Why stop at two when you can have a third, fourth, and maybe even a fifth chance?

And why not give Bernie Madoff a second chance (assuming he was still alive)?  Why not Ted fucking Bundy for that matter?

Yeah, whether a person should get some leniency granted depends on the magnitude of their fuckup or how much leniency or how many 2nd/3rd/etc. chances they've already gotten and blown.  In Jamaljizz's case here, he wanted me to remove my negative on him from a long time ago, so I know damn well he's got something going for which he wants to look squeaky clean.  Well, he's nothing of the sort, and the community ought to be warned of that.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

jamalaezaz, may be you need to become active in the community again. A great way to rebuild lost reputation is to communicate and spread hands to help others. If you are logging in once or twice a month and expecting things to change, I don't think it will work. Many are saying many things. Some are saying to give you another chance and some closed their doors. I am with the first group. You started to mess up from 2018 and it's long years have past. To be honest, it's hard to understand someone who you don't meet regularly and have discussion regularly.

And be honest.

A second chance? Sure thing! Why stop at two when you can have a third, fourth, and maybe even a fifth chance?

Funny, you were not even registered in the forum when everything was happening but you are good to make a call.