New bitcointalk rank? 🔥

[Ndabagi01]

What would be a good name for this new rank?

It wouldn’t be bad if a new rank is added to the forum after the legendary rank, any name suggested for it will be great. But possibility of it happening will be very slim.


I think OP wants something new in the system that will require the members with airdropped merits to also strive in making merits themselves. Like a merit been gotten from them through their sincere contributions to the forum.

[DdmrDdmr]

To play along with the idea of a potential new Rank, I’ve taken a look at those accounts that have now got an aggregate total (earned+airdropped) of Merits > 1000, and clustered them into segments by simply dividing their Merits and Activity each by 1K.

That means that a MeritSegment of 1 means that the account has (1001 .. 1999] Merits, a MeritSegment of 2 has [2000 .. 2999] Merits and so forth. Likewise with the ActivitySegment.

There are currently 2.028 accounts with an aggregate Merit Counter of Merits > 1000, in accordance to the following distribution:

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MeritSegment        ActivitySegment     nAccounts
13                  2                   1
13                  1                   1
11                  1                   1
10                  4                   1
9                   2                   1
9                   1                   2
8                   3                   1
8                   2                   1
7                   3                   3
6                   2                   1
5                   3                   3
5                   2                   4
5                   1                   3
5                   0                   1
4                   3                   5
4                   2                   6
4                   1                   9
4                   0                   1
3                   4                   1
3                   3                   8
3                   2                   13
3                   1                   13
3                   0                   1
2                   3                   14
2                   2                   32
2                   1                   20
2                   0                   2
1                   4                   3
1                   3                   51
1                   2                   372
1                   1                   1208
1                   0                   245

Since the current ranking system requires a quasi-similar amount of Merits and Activity for the mid-to-high Ranks, I’m assuming that this pattern would roughly follow (not exactly), and therefore the most logical potential candidate requirements would be:

2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

The 2K^2 option has a significant base of 95 current forum members (+more potentials on their way), yet not too large, whilst the 3K^2 and 4k^2 seem too unpopulated for a rank (might as well give them a personal title than a rank).

Nevertheless, Activity is the slow factor to gain for quite a few. Looking at the segment table above, all those above 4K Merits are essentially way above their Activity, so perhaps pairing the two for potential new ranks is not the most adequate measure. Bearing this in mind, other alternative could be:

4 Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 27 Accounts
6 Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 5 Accounts
8 Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

This set is of course more restrictive than the prior set, but the first entry (4K2K) could be an option.

I’m assuming that, overall, 2K Activity would be the target for the hypothetical next rank, following the current pattern. 3K Activity seems too restricted by any means to date for it to be a rank. Now whether the Merit parameter should be 2K or 4K (or else) would be a question of numbers, determining what figure seems reasonable from the get-go, and how many are in the pipeline towards that new Rank. The idea being the Rank to be aspirational, hard to obtain, yet reachable through persistence and presence on the forum.

Note: My premise is that accounts should not be deranked at this stage, but rather, were it the case, create an additional one above.

[Welsh]

I’m assuming that, overall, 2K Activity would be the target for the hypothetical next rank, following the current pattern. 3K Activity seems too restricted by any means to date for it to be a rank. Now whether the Merit parameter should be 2K or 4K (or else) would be a question of numbers, determining what figure seems reasonable from the get-go, and how many are in the pipeline towards that new Rank. The idea being the Rank to be aspirational, hard to obtain, yet reachable through persistence and presence on the forum.

Logical. However, if we are going to add another rank I would like to future proof it as much as possible. I don't want this forum to have a million different ranks, because they lose a little meaning then. That's assuming you value ranks in the first place, since ultimately they're just cosmetic for the most part. However, if we had a merit requirement of something ridiculous like 5k activity, and 5k merit I feel like that future proofs it, and means only the very dedicated users will ever reach that. 2k merits, and 2k activity I feel is a little too easy for the last rank of the forum.

3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts

You could've waited a little longer to do this metric .

[zaim7413]

I never thought that far, there have been so many users who have managed to get 1000 merits or more (apart from Airdrop) when the Merit System was in effect on the forums. So far they have been fine even though they have entered the +5000 merit club, it has never crossed their mind about a new Rank that is higher than Legendary.
Before you start this thread, there are already a lot of ideas like this. theymos never gave his eyes to the idea of a new rank higher than Legendary.

Just enjoy Legendary as the highest ranking Forum, you should be grateful to get there from other users. Legendary is everyone's dream in the forum, it's just that they haven't been as lucky as you.

[Lucius]

For example :

Legendary (airdropped) remains the same as before.
Legendary achieved without airdropped merits (coin color change).
Legendary who earned over 1000 merits after airdropped merits - maybe call them Legendary Veteran.

It is too complicated and makes forum ranks, badges look more messy. I don't support it.

I visited some other forums as a guest and saw their ranks, badges are abundant, unnecessary colorful and messy so I don't think I need it in Bitcointalk.

It's not that the forum has too many Legendary members that my idea would look "unnecessarily colorful and messy" if nothing would change for some, others would get a change in the color of one coin, and the third would get the title of Legendary Veteran. I think that this idea is much more acceptable than that of depriving some Legendary members of that rank if they have not earned x amount of merit in x years or something similar.

[joker_josue]

The idea of more levels might even be interesting, but I think it's a mistake to think of a new level based on merits. If new classifications emerge, they should be based on a new system, not the current one.

When the merits system came about, everyone received enough merits based on their current rank. But, from that moment on, new rules for leveling up appeared, including the merits system. To create new rankings, something like this has to be done, create a new criteria system in order to progress.

Otherwise, the idea will appear that with this system of merits, an elite is being fed, who wants to remain small and when they see many reaching their level, they want to have a new level to remain a small elite. It seems that since many users are now legendary, they think they should be something more to differentiate themselves from the other members.

So how many merits would it take to be part of this exclusive new club? Thinking like this might be unfair, because right now we have users with 3k, 4k (some with +10k) or more merits achieved. Unfair, because a new level was being created, based on old criteria.

It might be interesting to create another type of achievements for forum users, but they should be based on a new system, not the existing one.
As I believe this is difficult to happen, I also doubt that new user levels will appear. There may be some medals, let's call it that, for some deserving users.

[m2017]

Similar threads periodically appear on this forum with a proposal to add a new rank and I see comments both for and against. Why not hold an official vote on this issue in order to understand and evaluate the demand of the forum members? Perhaps even the administration.

I'm in two minds about adding a new rank. On the one hand, it seems, why is this necessary and what advantages does it give? The current ranking system has been in place for a long time and why change it once again. But on the other hand, bitcointalk has already made changes by adding a merit-system, which, in principle, has taken root and works well. It is unlikely that the new rank will spoil something here. Moreover, judging by the comments, there is still some demand for a new rank, and if this creates a new level for people to achieve, then why not.

[Peanutswar]

IMHO this can be added in the future because there's a lot of members right now reaching the 2k merits and those people I guess well deserved their earned rank because of their contribution in the community, having a set of range with the 2k-5k merits I guess for the additional rank incase might happen, I guess you created this because you just nothing seen new with the rank system. Still depends on the number of people who reach the specific range,

2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

If this number of accounts might increase I guess there's a possibility they will make an implementation of new rank.

[Doan9269]

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

Introducing a new rank after the legendary rank could be another task on itself which I don't think there's a necessity for doing that, we deliver quality works on the forum not by ranks but if you're a type that is serious and keep to learning, improving yourself daily amd you dont scam or spam the forum then you're liable to grow in ranks over time, your growths is just to identify you to that particular required standard of how the forum expectee of you, I don't know if Theymos already have a plan on ground to implement something new about adding ranks after legendary but left to me i see no need for that, your work and presence speaks alot about the pedigree you have.

[uchegod-21]

The ranking system has lasted for so long and yet is is not boring. Do you really know why it is not boring?
It is because of the introduction of the merit system. The merit system makes the ranking still remain valid.
Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?

[un_rank]

Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?

With this logic, there might be no need for any ranks at all. A user with 500 merits is assumed to contribute better than one with 10 (not always), one does not have to be a Hero member rank and the other a Member ranked user, assuming they both have the required activities.

The objective of the idea of a new rank from what I understand is to give users who contribute actively something to look forward to. For some there is a thrill when you achieve a new rank and the associated perks, it does not have to stop at legendary, but I think it can.

A new rank would open up discussions for a another one in a couple of years when we have members with 50,000 merits and then another a couple more years down the road. All these are ranks that should be recognized, but maybe with cool nicknames or personal text stickers.

- Jay -

[nakamura12]

The system works good and I don't think that having new rank is unnecessary but it is cool in my opinion to have new rank above legendary. Anyway, it would also be cool to have title for those who have lots of merits. It is more like an achievement just like in online games. For example, King Of Merits (Earn A Total of 10 000 Merits) or whatever it is deserving for those who have that amount of merits. The introduction of merit system already done it's job and it is still doing its job until now and I have seen that others still didn't rank up for known reasons.

[Timelord2067]

They're really deserved it and in my opinion, a highest rank (new one) should be applied for 10,000+ or 20,000+ merit. No more rank above it so its requirement should be really high.

The ones with 10,000 merits are mostly merit sources gifting each-other nonsensically high merits for essentially glib posts to each-other with none of the trickle down effect that @theymos was hoping for to help those at lower rank positions rank up.  The only place where the ranks count is in the campaigns where legendary pays higher than hero etc.  I could have posted this comment in another thread this week where it has become clear a handful of newbies are alts all participating in the pumpkin merit competition.  Why?  Because they are scrounging a living creating alts to then joining multiple (or the same) signature campaigns.

theymos' experiment with merits as a means of rank promotion is an abject failure as the DT1 merit sources golden shower each-other with high merits for status and the newbies get nothing trickling down, hence their prolific shit posting and alt farms.

There is never a reason to merit more than one or two merits and, once you attain the rank of legendary, then you don't need merits being bestowed on you if all you are going to do is merit other legendary users, not those below you in the ranking positions.

[dkbit98]

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

I don't see any real reason why we need to create new forum ranks for merits, and nobody would see any benefit from this.
It's much better to spend time on fixing real bugs and improving stuff with scripts, maybe even doing final transition to new epoch talk software.
Quick workaround for your request could be made with BPIP extension or script, if someone is willing to make more pseudo-ranks like Veteran or Elite, maybe even Retired for inactive members.

[Rikafip]

theymos' experiment with merits as a means of rank promotion is an abject failure as the DT1 merit sources golden shower each-other with high merits for status and the newbies get nothing trickling down, hence their prolific shit posting and alt farms.

In the ~3 and a half years since I joined the forum its never been easier for newbie accounts to rank up. First of all, number of posts written dropped down significantly (probably in the region of 50%, maybe even more) meaning less competition, while in the same time there was an increase in the amount of smerit generated each month. Combine those two things and you get a situation where all you have to be is a half decent poster in order to rank up regularly.

Problem is, there is a lack of even an average newbies so what will high ranking members do when there's lack of decent newbies other than share the merit among themselves.

[drwhobox]

There is no point in having a new rank in the forum. How many of the members have 2000+ merits in the forum? It is a huge task for anyone to reach that 2000 merit mark to achieve that new rank, but maybe not for someone who already got 1000 merits five years ago.

There are a lot users already earn 3K+ merit and few of them already earn 10K+ merit.

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".

Those users are exceptional not everyone is going to earn merit like them, and they are well respected in the forum not just because they have a lot of merits or they are legendary members but because they provide much more value than any one of us who ranked low in the forum.

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".

Well, what rank do you propose after 2.5k merit? And the list will keep going on because earning merit is not going to stop at any point.

theymos has never replied on this idea and likely he did not feel comfortable to deploy it officially.

Theymos clearly have no intention to keep creating a new rank every time a member reached a new milestone of earning merit. 

[sheenshane]

3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

3k merits and 3k activity is a good idea for a new rank if there is one, these members in the pipeline deserve a new rank IMO.

Yes, it's not necessary as of now but I think it's needed in the future (not unless epochtalk will replace it) because from time to time, there's a potential member who deserves a new rank, and will be reached that 3k merits and 3k activity.

The question is, what new rank will be called?
Mythic or Mythical?  

[Timelord2067]

Problem is, there is a lack of even an average newbies so what will high ranking members do when there's lack of decent newbies other than share the merit among themselves.

Supply and demand.

The merit sources don't share the merits amongst themselves in your above senario.  The less merits to share around, the harder it is to obtain those merits should equate to higher quality posts to obtain the fewer merits on offer.

Less merits = better, quality posts.

Quick workaround for your request could be made with BPIP extension or script, if someone is willing to make more pseudo-ranks like Veteran or Elite, maybe even Retired for inactive members.

BPIP's greasemonkey script already shows banned and inactive.  Someone else made a script to show posts reported.  No doubt a script could be created for "Fantasmigroical" if need be.
OP:  Why do you want to break your arm patting yourself on the back with a new rank?

[libert19]

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".

We could have something like requirement where user must earn certain number of merits and activity within period to stay in that new rank oherwise be kicked out. For this rank to be attained, the base member rank must be leggy.

[krishnaverma]

This rank system should be kept as simple as possible. If you notice generally during school and college, only three ranks are given importance. First, second and third. There hundreds of students in each class and if we give each of them one rank (which is practically possible), the significance of ranks is gone. The current number of ranks are already enough and there is no need to add more ranks to complicate the system. Hero and legendary are kind of similar for me, it is just matter  of time to reach the next rank. One has already proved his worth and knowledge by attaining the first higher rank.