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Title: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: seoincorporation on January 28, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
I remember that day, when the merits become a thing in the forum. Since I was a Legendary user at that point I get instant 1000 merits, and when I realize other users have to get those 1000 merits to become a legendary user I really feel bad for them.

It has been a long time, this week was the 5th birthday of the merits system as we can see in this thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0 ). And a lot of people have worked hard to become legendary user in the forum. So, I was thinking...

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

What would be a good name for this new rank?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Pandorak on January 28, 2023, 01:53:56 AM
Simple question from me, what is the urgency of creating a new rank?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: bullrun2024bro on January 28, 2023, 02:04:19 AM
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Actually there is no need for new ranks tbh. The current system works fine. People that post quality content rank up and shitposters won't make it.

Apart from that, you should visit Bitcointalk to communicate, talk about Bitcoin and socialize with other Bitcoin enthusiasts - not to hunt for a new forum rank.

What would you call something after Legendary anyway? Super Legendary? Elite Legendary?

I think we're good.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Bttzed03 on January 28, 2023, 02:23:23 AM
Hold on, do you want to change the ranking of members who were airdropped 1000 merits? You don't want them to be Legendary ranked until they earned 1000 merits? If so, just let it be. What you're trying to suggest just makes things complicated/confusing.

I think it's better to have a new rank after Legendary. It has been discussed many times before and these are some of the names that members came up with:

Epic
Legend
Mythical
Ancient
LAMP ( Legendary Awarded Merit Points)
Elite
Veteran

^ Can't mention them one by one but credit to all the people who made those suggestions.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: tranthidung on January 28, 2023, 03:52:15 AM
It is not an emergent request for a new rank above Legendary but I see it makes sense. In the past, such request was raised a few times.

  • 2016: What's above Legendary? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1351512.0)
  • 2018: Above Legendary rank (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945590.0)
  • 2019: What if Theymos added new Rank after Legendary? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212330.0)
  • With some rankups of outstanding members to above 10,000 earned merits, this request makes more sense. Personally I would like to have only one more rank with a required earned-merit is 20,000. I mean above Legendary is something really huge and very extreme challenging to reach it.

theymos has never replied on this idea and likely he did not feel comfortable to deploy it officially.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Despairo on January 28, 2023, 04:06:52 AM
Simple question from me, what is the urgency of creating a new rank?
There's no urgency, but some users think the forum need a new update in order to appreciate the user which has earn a lot merit and active in this forum. If I'm not mistaken the current rank (Brand new - Legendary) was created from the first time and there's no update about the new rank.

There are a lot users already earn 3K+ merit and few of them already earn 10K+ merit.

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Findingnemo on January 28, 2023, 05:36:37 AM
What would be a good name for this new rank?
AI suggested this, I mean LoyceV :D

One rank above the Legendary is my wish.
My wish is to call it Legend.

But let's take it to the next level, if it is 2000 then we may see them high in numbers so keep the range much more higher and I thought 5000 merits is much deserved to sit above the legendary.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: yahoo62278 on January 28, 2023, 05:47:42 AM
Hold on, do you want to change the ranking of members who were airdropped 1000 merits? You don't want them to be Legendary ranked until they earned 1000 merits? If so, just let it be. What you're trying to suggest just makes things complicated/confusing.

I think it's better to have a new rank after Legendary. It has been discussed many times before and these are some of the names that members came up with:

Epic
Legend
Mythical
Ancient
LAMP ( Legendary Awarded Merit Points)
Elite
Veteran

^ Can't mention them one by one but credit to all the people who made those suggestions.
I wouldn't mind a rank called ELITE for those who have earned 2500 merits and have 2500 activity. We should have something for users to strive for even if it is something as small as a new rank. The numbers could even be tweaked but they need to be fairly high as making this rank is an honor IMO. You are the best of the best as far as most would be concerned. 2500 or more "earned" merits is a heck of an achievement as is 2500+ activity.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: tranthidung on January 28, 2023, 05:51:21 AM
I wouldn't mind a rank called ELITE for those who have earned 2500 merits and have 2500 activity. We should have something for users to strive for even if it is something as small as a new rank. The numbers could even be tweaked but they need to be fairly high as making this rank is an honor IMO. You are the best of the best as far as most would be concerned. 2500 or more "earned" merits is a heck of an achievement as is 2500+ activity.
It is good to have a rank with 2500+ earned merit and 2500+ activities which I can be eligible (of course for other members too).

However as I raised my opinion on this issue, I think having too many ranks is not good (it seems theymos has same opinion on it too) so if there is only one more rank, let's make it as a Lifetime Achievement Rank which should be superb hard to achieve. Like I proposed, let's make it 20,000+ earned merits, not required activities but should be not smaller than required activities for Legendary rank.

Its new rank name can be Elite so we will have an Elite class here :D


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: hugeblack on January 28, 2023, 05:57:33 AM
The above discussions talk about the name of the rank, as if it was created and we are looking for the name. There are no indications for creating a new rank, and therefore talking about its name or its requirements is a waste of time. :D
Personally, I see adding a new rank that will increase spam from the previous ranks, because it will get a higher wage.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: mk4 on January 28, 2023, 06:45:42 AM
Veteran

This would definitely make an interesting rank. Probably requires 5 years since registration, along with like 2000-5000 received merits or something.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Charles-Tim on January 28, 2023, 06:56:03 AM
What would be a good name for this new rank?
If a rank should be added after reaching 1000  merits, I will prefer the rank to be awarded after reaching either 5000 or 10000 merits, but I will prefer 10000 merits which I know would take me more years to achieve.

But merit system is working perfectly which will not make this to be considered.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Mpamaegbu on January 28, 2023, 07:32:20 AM
For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.
I know it's a hypothetical situation you're trying to create here but can we also raise the bar for the new rank requirement to say 2,990 merits (or anything that should be above what you already have). You escaped the first cutoff, you shouldn't escape another one 🤔. Again, to tell you the truth, what you're suggesting concerning the legendary rank that were airdropped 1,000 merits will also need to be applied on lower ranks that were airdropped merits too. Don't you now see how confusing it will turn the whole forum? By the way, who is going to devote the time to gather all that data?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: LoyceV on January 28, 2023, 07:36:04 AM
Personally I would like to have only one more rank with a required earned-merit is 20,000.
How about just "more Merit than theymos" :D

I don't expect a new Rank to only include a few users (including theymos), that would be like patting himself on the back and from what I've seen, he doesn't do that.
So if it's going to happen, it won't be ridiculously high.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Daniel91 on January 28, 2023, 09:53:28 AM
The above discussions talk about the name of the rank, as if it was created and we are looking for the name. There are no indications for creating a new rank, and therefore talking about its name or its requirements is a waste of time. :D
Personally, I see adding a new rank that will increase spam from the previous ranks, because it will get a higher wage.


The admins on this forum may be slow to implement some new ideas and suggestions on this forum, but if it shows that there is interest and support from the forum community, they will eventually accept the suggestions.
How long did some members wait for promotion in merit source? Half a year, a year?
In this forum, things never happen quickly, but they do eventually, if a consensus is reached on something.
I personally think that the time has come to add a new forum rank, for members with 2500 and more merits, and I don't care what that new forum rank would be called.
Members with 2500 merits and more are really members who have contributed a lot to this forum, its reputation and quality, and deserve recognition for that through a new forum rank.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 28, 2023, 10:11:37 AM
Actually there is no need for new ranks tbh. The current system works fine. People that post quality content rank up and shitposters won't make it.
Of course we don't need a new rank, and it's a given that idiot shitposters will never even get to Hero member status, but we've had this discussion a few times before and there are a sizeable number of people who would support adding a rank above Legendary.

I'm one of those, even though if nothing ever changed with the ranking system I'd be just fine with that.  But just like any other proposal, it doesn't matter what my opinion is--it matters what Theymos thinks of it, and last I heard he wasn't planning on adding any new ranks.

The admins on this forum may be slow to implement some new ideas and suggestions on this forum, but if it shows that there is interest and support from the forum community, they will eventually accept the suggestions.
I guess that's true for some ideas, but not for all of them, even ones that had a lot of community support (like having a mobile-friendly version of the site).  I'm also not sure to what extent the moderators are involved in the decision making process with respect to community proposals.  I get the sense that it's kind of a one-man show up on the mountain where Theymos lives.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 28, 2023, 10:24:43 AM
I think it's a dud idea.

I've just ticked over 2000 merits - 1000 merits for having done the hard yards over the years and the second 1000 merits for posting what others have thought are meritorious. (And not one "give a leg up to some one close to ranking up" merit).

Yah me.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Lucius on January 28, 2023, 11:45:49 AM
I remember that day, when the merits become a thing in the forum. Since I was a Legendary user at that point I get instant 1000 merits, and when I realize other users have to get those 1000 merits to become a legendary user I really feel bad for them.

You are looking at this matter from a completely wrong perspective, because nobody got anything as a gift, not even those 1000 merits. All members who were Legendary rank before the merit system remained at that rank because they got it according to the old rules, and if the merit system had existed before, some of us would have earned it without any doubt.

The only injustice (if we'll call it that) is that some shitposters invested only their time to become Legendary, and today the rules are different and apart from time you have to invest a lot of effort to reach the same rank.



The new rank is not something that makes too much sense to me, but I think that if such an idea were to come true, it should be awarded to those who, for example, earned over 10 000 merits, because it is still an achievement that is worthy of some kind of award. What I would also suggest to make is some kind of difference between the Legendary rank that is achieved only with airdropped merits and the one that is achieved exclusively with earning merits.

For example :

Legendary (airdropped) remains the same as before.
Legendary achieved without airdropped merits (coin color change).
Legendary who earned over 1000 merits after airdropped merits - maybe call them Legendary Veteran.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: tranthidung on January 28, 2023, 11:55:54 AM
You are looking at this matter from a completely wrong perspective, because nobody got anything as a gift, not even those 1000 merits.
All members have to work and match with forum rules, rank requirements (which have been changed a few times in forum history) to achieve their ranks. It is just different to get it easy or difficult.

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The new rank is not something that makes too much sense to me, but I think that if such an idea were to come true, it should be awarded to those who, for example, earned over 10 000 merits, because it is still an achievement that is worthy of some kind of award.
They're really deserved it and in my opinion, a highest rank (new one) should be applied for 10,000+ or 20,000+ merit. No more rank above it so its requirement should be really high.

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What I would also suggest to make is some kind of difference between the Legendary rank that is achieved only with airdropped merits and the one that is achieved exclusively with earning merits.

For example :

Legendary (airdropped) remains the same as before.
Legendary achieved without airdropped merits (coin color change).
Legendary who earned over 1000 merits after airdropped merits - maybe call them Legendary Veteran.
It is too complicated and makes forum ranks, badges look more messy. I don't support it.

I visited some other forums as a guest and saw their ranks, badges are abundant, unnecessary colorful and messy so I don't think I need it in Bitcointalk.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Rikafip on January 28, 2023, 01:30:58 PM
Simple question from me, what is the urgency of creating a new rank?
There's no urgency (or real need imho) at all, it's just that some people are taking this forum way too seriously.

So let's say that theymos makes a new rank for reaching 3k merit/activity. Eventually even that will be reached by many members and it won't feel special any more so should he keep adding new ranks just so people have to strive for something?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Ndabagi01 on January 28, 2023, 02:15:47 PM
What would be a good name for this new rank?

It wouldn’t be bad if a new rank is added to the forum after the legendary rank, any name suggested for it will be great. But possibility of it happening will be very slim.



I think OP wants something new in the system that will require the members with airdropped merits to also strive in making merits themselves. Like a merit been gotten from them through their sincere contributions to the forum.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: DdmrDdmr on January 28, 2023, 03:00:45 PM
To play along with the idea of a potential new Rank, I’ve taken a look at those accounts that have now got an aggregate total (earned+airdropped) of Merits > 1000, and clustered them into segments by simply dividing their Merits and Activity each by 1K.

That means that a MeritSegment of 1 means that the account has (1001 .. 1999] Merits, a MeritSegment of 2 has [2000 .. 2999] Merits and so forth. Likewise with the ActivitySegment.

There are currently 2.028 accounts with an aggregate Merit Counter of Merits > 1000, in accordance to the following distribution:
Code:
MeritSegment        ActivitySegment     nAccounts
13                  2                   1
13                  1                   1
11                  1                   1
10                  4                   1
9                   2                   1
9                   1                   2
8                   3                   1
8                   2                   1
7                   3                   3
6                   2                   1
5                   3                   3
5                   2                   4
5                   1                   3
5                   0                   1
4                   3                   5
4                   2                   6
4                   1                   9
4                   0                   1
3                   4                   1
3                   3                   8
3                   2                   13
3                   1                   13
3                   0                   1
2                   3                   14
2                   2                   32
2                   1                   20
2                   0                   2
1                   4                   3
1                   3                   51
1                   2                   372
1                   1                   1208
1                   0                   245

Since the current ranking system requires a quasi-similar amount of Merits and Activity for the mid-to-high Ranks, I’m assuming that this pattern would roughly follow (not exactly), and therefore the most logical potential candidate requirements would be:

2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

The 2K^2 option has a significant base of 95 current forum members (+more potentials on their way), yet not too large, whilst the 3K^2 and 4k^2 seem too unpopulated for a rank (might as well give them a personal title than a rank).

Nevertheless, Activity is the slow factor to gain for quite a few. Looking at the segment table above, all those above 4K Merits are essentially way above their Activity, so perhaps pairing the two for potential new ranks is not the most adequate measure. Bearing this in mind, other alternative could be:

4 Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 27 Accounts
6 Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 5 Accounts
8 Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

This set is of course more restrictive than the prior set, but the first entry (4K2K) could be an option.

I’m assuming that, overall, 2K Activity would be the target for the hypothetical next rank, following the current pattern. 3K Activity seems too restricted by any means to date for it to be a rank. Now whether the Merit parameter should be 2K or 4K (or else) would be a question of numbers, determining what figure seems reasonable from the get-go, and how many are in the pipeline towards that new Rank. The idea being the Rank to be aspirational, hard to obtain, yet reachable through persistence and presence on the forum.

Note: My premise is that accounts should not be deranked at this stage, but rather, were it the case, create an additional one above.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Welsh on January 28, 2023, 03:06:22 PM
I’m assuming that, overall, 2K Activity would be the target for the hypothetical next rank, following the current pattern. 3K Activity seems too restricted by any means to date for it to be a rank. Now whether the Merit parameter should be 2K or 4K (or else) would be a question of numbers, determining what figure seems reasonable from the get-go, and how many are in the pipeline towards that new Rank. The idea being the Rank to be aspirational, hard to obtain, yet reachable through persistence and presence on the forum.
Logical. However, if we are going to add another rank I would like to future proof it as much as possible. I don't want this forum to have a million different ranks, because they lose a little meaning then. That's assuming you value ranks in the first place, since ultimately they're just cosmetic for the most part. However, if we had a merit requirement of something ridiculous like 5k activity, and 5k merit I feel like that future proofs it, and means only the very dedicated users will ever reach that. 2k merits, and 2k activity I feel is a little too easy for the last rank of the forum.

3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
You could've waited a little longer to do this metric ;).


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: zaim7413 on January 28, 2023, 03:15:25 PM
I never thought that far, there have been so many users who have managed to get 1000 merits or more (apart from Airdrop) when the Merit System was in effect on the forums. So far they have been fine even though they have entered the +5000 merit club, it has never crossed their mind about a new Rank that is higher than Legendary.
Before you start this thread, there are already a lot of ideas like this. theymos never gave his eyes to the idea of a new rank higher than Legendary.

Just enjoy Legendary as the highest ranking Forum, you should be grateful to get there from other users. Legendary is everyone's dream in the forum, it's just that they haven't been as lucky as you.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Lucius on January 28, 2023, 04:22:28 PM
For example :

Legendary (airdropped) remains the same as before.
Legendary achieved without airdropped merits (coin color change).
Legendary who earned over 1000 merits after airdropped merits - maybe call them Legendary Veteran.
It is too complicated and makes forum ranks, badges look more messy. I don't support it.

I visited some other forums as a guest and saw their ranks, badges are abundant, unnecessary colorful and messy so I don't think I need it in Bitcointalk.

It's not that the forum has too many Legendary members that my idea would look "unnecessarily colorful and messy" if nothing would change for some, others would get a change in the color of one coin, and the third would get the title of Legendary Veteran. I think that this idea is much more acceptable than that of depriving some Legendary members of that rank if they have not earned x amount of merit in x years or something similar.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: joker_josue on January 28, 2023, 04:40:04 PM
The idea of more levels might even be interesting, but I think it's a mistake to think of a new level based on merits. If new classifications emerge, they should be based on a new system, not the current one.

When the merits system came about, everyone received enough merits based on their current rank. But, from that moment on, new rules for leveling up appeared, including the merits system. To create new rankings, something like this has to be done, create a new criteria system in order to progress.

Otherwise, the idea will appear that with this system of merits, an elite is being fed, who wants to remain small and when they see many reaching their level, they want to have a new level to remain a small elite. It seems that since many users are now legendary, they think they should be something more to differentiate themselves from the other members.

So how many merits would it take to be part of this exclusive new club? Thinking like this might be unfair, because right now we have users with 3k, 4k (some with +10k) or more merits achieved. Unfair, because a new level was being created, based on old criteria.

It might be interesting to create another type of achievements for forum users, but they should be based on a new system, not the existing one.
As I believe this is difficult to happen, I also doubt that new user levels will appear. There may be some medals, let's call it that, for some deserving users.



Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: m2017 on January 28, 2023, 05:09:28 PM
Similar threads periodically appear on this forum with a proposal to add a new rank and I see comments both for and against. Why not hold an official vote on this issue in order to understand and evaluate the demand of the forum members? Perhaps even the administration.

I'm in two minds about adding a new rank. On the one hand, it seems, why is this necessary and what advantages does it give? The current ranking system has been in place for a long time and why change it once again. But on the other hand, bitcointalk has already made changes by adding a merit-system, which, in principle, has taken root and works well. It is unlikely that the new rank will spoil something here. Moreover, judging by the comments, there is still some demand for a new rank, and if this creates a new level for people to achieve, then why not.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Peanutswar on January 28, 2023, 05:24:51 PM
IMHO this can be added in the future because there's a lot of members right now reaching the 2k merits and those people I guess well deserved their earned rank because of their contribution in the community, having a set of range with the 2k-5k merits I guess for the additional rank incase might happen, I guess you created this because you just nothing seen new with the rank system. Still depends on the number of people who reach the specific range,


2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

If this number of accounts might increase I guess there's a possibility they will make an implementation of new rank.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Doan9269 on January 28, 2023, 07:54:57 PM
Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

Introducing a new rank after the legendary rank could be another task on itself which I don't think there's a necessity for doing that, we deliver quality works on the forum not by ranks but if you're a type that is serious and keep to learning, improving yourself daily amd you dont scam or spam the forum then you're liable to grow in ranks over time, your growths is just to identify you to that particular required standard of how the forum expectee of you, I don't know if Theymos already have a plan on ground to implement something new about adding ranks after legendary but left to me i see no need for that, your work and presence speaks alot about the pedigree you have.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: uchegod-21 on January 28, 2023, 08:08:32 PM
The ranking system has lasted for so long and yet is is not boring. Do you really know why it is not boring?
It is because of the introduction of the merit system. The merit system makes the ranking still remain valid.
Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: un_rank on January 28, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?
With this logic, there might be no need for any ranks at all. A user with 500 merits is assumed to contribute better than one with 10 (not always), one does not have to be a Hero member rank and the other a Member ranked user, assuming they both have the required activities.

The objective of the idea of a new rank from what I understand is to give users who contribute actively something to look forward to. For some there is a thrill when you achieve a new rank and the associated perks, it does not have to stop at legendary, but I think it can.

A new rank would open up discussions for a another one in a couple of years when we have members with 50,000 merits and then another a couple more years down the road. All these are ranks that should be recognized, but maybe with cool nicknames or personal text stickers.

- Jay -


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: nakamura12 on January 28, 2023, 09:11:02 PM
The system works good and I don't think that having new rank is unnecessary but it is cool in my opinion to have new rank above legendary. Anyway, it would also be cool to have title for those who have lots of merits. It is more like an achievement just like in online games. For example, King Of Merits (Earn A Total of 10 000 Merits) or whatever it is deserving for those who have that amount of merits. The introduction of merit system already done it's job and it is still doing its job until now and I have seen that others still didn't rank up for known reasons.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank?
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 28, 2023, 09:37:56 PM
They're really deserved it and in my opinion, a highest rank (new one) should be applied for 10,000+ or 20,000+ merit. No more rank above it so its requirement should be really high.

The ones with 10,000 merits are mostly merit sources gifting each-other nonsensically high merits for essentially glib posts to each-other with none of the trickle down effect that @theymos was hoping for to help those at lower rank positions rank up.  The only place where the ranks count is in the campaigns where legendary pays higher than hero etc.  I could have posted this comment in another thread this week where it has become clear a handful of newbies are alts all participating in the pumpkin merit competition.  Why?  Because they are scrounging a living creating alts to then joining multiple (or the same) signature campaigns.

theymos' experiment with merits as a means of rank promotion is an abject failure as the DT1 merit sources golden shower each-other with high merits for status and the newbies get nothing trickling down, hence their prolific shit posting and alt farms.

There is never a reason to merit more than one or two merits and, once you attain the rank of legendary, then you don't need merits being bestowed on you if all you are going to do is merit other legendary users, not those below you in the ranking positions.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: dkbit98 on January 28, 2023, 10:03:11 PM
Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.
I don't see any real reason why we need to create new forum ranks for merits, and nobody would see any benefit from this.
It's much better to spend time on fixing real bugs and improving stuff with scripts, maybe even doing final transition to new epoch talk software.
Quick workaround for your request could be made with BPIP extension or script, if someone is willing to make more pseudo-ranks like Veteran or Elite, maybe even Retired for inactive members.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank?
Post by: Rikafip on January 28, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
theymos' experiment with merits as a means of rank promotion is an abject failure as the DT1 merit sources golden shower each-other with high merits for status and the newbies get nothing trickling down, hence their prolific shit posting and alt farms.
In the ~3 and a half years since I joined the forum its never been easier for newbie accounts to rank up. First of all, number of posts written dropped down significantly (probably in the region of 50%, maybe even more) meaning less competition, while in the same time there was an increase in the amount of smerit generated each month. Combine those two things and you get a situation where all you have to be is a half decent poster in order to rank up regularly.

Problem is, there is a lack of even an average newbies so what will high ranking members do when there's lack of decent newbies other than share the merit among themselves.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: drwhobox on January 28, 2023, 10:57:47 PM
There is no point in having a new rank in the forum. How many of the members have 2000+ merits in the forum? It is a huge task for anyone to reach that 2000 merit mark to achieve that new rank, but maybe not for someone who already got 1000 merits five years ago.
There are a lot users already earn 3K+ merit and few of them already earn 10K+ merit.

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".
Those users are exceptional not everyone is going to earn merit like them, and they are well respected in the forum not just because they have a lot of merits or they are legendary members but because they provide much more value than any one of us who ranked low in the forum.
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I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".
Well, what rank do you propose after 2.5k merit? And the list will keep going on because earning merit is not going to stop at any point.

theymos has never replied on this idea and likely he did not feel comfortable to deploy it officially.

Theymos clearly have no intention to keep creating a new rank every time a member reached a new milestone of earning merit. 


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: sheenshane on January 28, 2023, 11:49:22 PM
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)
3k merits and 3k activity is a good idea for a new rank if there is one, these members in the pipeline deserve a new rank IMO.

Yes, it's not necessary as of now but I think it's needed in the future (not unless epochtalk will replace it) because from time to time, there's a potential member who deserves a new rank, and will be reached that 3k merits and 3k activity.

The question is, what new rank will be called?
Mythic or Mythical?   :D


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 29, 2023, 01:50:54 AM
Problem is, there is a lack of even an average newbies so what will high ranking members do when there's lack of decent newbies other than share the merit among themselves.

Supply and demand.

The merit sources don't share the merits amongst themselves in your above senario.  The less merits to share around, the harder it is to obtain those merits should equate to higher quality posts to obtain the fewer merits on offer.

Less merits = better, quality posts.

Quick workaround for your request could be made with BPIP extension or script, if someone is willing to make more pseudo-ranks like Veteran or Elite, maybe even Retired for inactive members.

BPIP's greasemonkey script already shows banned and inactive.  Someone else made a script to show posts reported.  No doubt a script could be created for "Fantasmigroical" if need be.


OP:  Why do you want to break your arm patting yourself on the back with a new rank?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: libert19 on January 29, 2023, 03:10:40 AM

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".


We could have something like requirement where user must earn certain number of merits and activity within period to stay in that new rank oherwise be kicked out. For this rank to be attained, the base member rank must be leggy.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: krishnaverma on January 29, 2023, 05:05:55 AM
This rank system should be kept as simple as possible. If you notice generally during school and college, only three ranks are given importance. First, second and third. There hundreds of students in each class and if we give each of them one rank (which is practically possible), the significance of ranks is gone. The current number of ranks are already enough and there is no need to add more ranks to complicate the system. Hero and legendary are kind of similar for me, it is just matter  of time to reach the next rank. One has already proved his worth and knowledge by attaining the first higher rank.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: selezneve on January 29, 2023, 07:13:57 AM
Why not hold an official vote on this issue in order to understand and evaluate the demand of the forum members?
Because that can be abused by votes from new accounts from spammers.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: LoyceV on January 29, 2023, 07:17:37 AM
How many of the members have 2000+ merits in the forum?
150 (https://bpip.org/Report?r=mostmerit)


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Rikafip on January 29, 2023, 08:10:32 AM
The merit sources don't share the merits amongst themselves in your above senario.  The less merits to share around, the harder it is to obtain those merits should equate to higher quality posts to obtain the fewer merits on offer.
Less merits = better, quality posts.
So you want people to grind for every single merit? Even in current situation where there's abundance of merit, forum numbers have been dwindling down for years so I don't think that it's in the forum's best interest to make it even harder to rank up. After all, isn't the main goal of the merit system to make it harder for shitposters to rank up, and not make it a heavy grind for an average member? (imho it shouldn't be)



Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: LoyceV on January 29, 2023, 08:36:35 AM
After all, isn't the main goal of the merit system to make it harder for shitposters to rank up, and not make it a heavy grind for an average member? (imho it shouldn't be)
That's how I view the Merit system too. As long as someone isn't a shitposter, Merit shouldn't hold them back.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: _BlackStar on January 29, 2023, 10:01:16 AM
I don't know how many users are still consistently active and posting in 10 straight years until now. I guess they deserve special title rather than new rank just because some users manage to get 2000 or 20000 merit. It takes lot of dedication to stay active on this forum for 10 years non-stop, and I think they deserve it. Such loyalty should earn proper reward instead of considering the amount of merit earned for new rank, but this is just my assumption.

Even if some people can make requests about new ranks because the number of merit earned has already reached 2K or 15K, then I hope that their activity points as high dedication on the forum should also be considered. It's something like Loyalty & Engagement - but I haven't thought of any names to call it yet.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: arhipova on January 29, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
I don't know how many users are still consistently active and posting in 10 straight years until now. I guess they deserve special title rather than new rank just because some users manage to get 2000 or 20000 merit. It takes lot of dedication to stay active on this forum for 10 years non-stop, and I think they deserve it. Such loyalty should earn proper reward instead of considering the amount of merit earned for new rank, but this is just my assumption.
There need not be reward in terms of rank for everything. Those who are active here for 10 years had already got rewarded in terms of skills, investment and returns. They also gained lot of information and updates related to crypto from this forum in these 10 years which is more rewarding than some rank.

Another issue with such a reward is that suppose you give that rank for activity of 10 years to someone. Now he becomes inactive and the rank or badge is taken away from him. So , now his 10 year dedication has no value ?

I like the current ranking system as it is. There are no changes required as of now. With the current system, forum is able to maintain decent activity and growth. So why experiment with a structure that is already working good for the forum ?


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: uchegod-21 on January 29, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?
With this logic, there might be no need for any ranks at all. A user with 500 merits is assumed to contribute better than one with 10 (not always),

Not always. I believe the logic is reasonable to this context because the only major contributor to rank up is merit. The activity is constant. If we both remain active in the forum for 14days we get same number of activities but we cannot same amount of merits.
So after legendary rank where activities and merits no longer contribute to rank up as there is no rank up, the value of merits is expressively seen and felt as the higher number of merits apart from merit airdropped is seen as the better contributor.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: mindrust on January 29, 2023, 07:31:42 PM
I remember that day, when the merits become a thing in the forum. Since I was a Legendary user at that point I get instant 1000 merits, and when I realize other users have to get those 1000 merits to become a legendary user I really feel bad for them.

It has been a long time, this week was the 5th birthday of the merits system as we can see in this thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0 ). And a lot of people have worked hard to become legendary user in the forum. So, I was thinking...

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

What would be a good name for this new rank?

That's called power creeping.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Power%20Creep

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A certain flaw in game balance design, where content released later tends to get more powerful as time goes. This can be seen in multiplayer games that have regular expansions or balance patches.

The merit system was created because people were creating account farms and it was too easy to do it. Merits didn't stop the farmers but slowed them down. Maybe the old farmers got away with it because they already had an army but it did stop the newbies from creating new farms.

I don't think we need more of this thing. Getting to legendary is already hard enough. No need to turn this forum into an RPG where you upgrade items and ranks.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Woodie on January 29, 2023, 08:25:56 PM


Since the current ranking system requires a quasi-similar amount of Merits and Activity for the mid-to-high Ranks, I’m assuming that this pattern would roughly follow (not exactly), and therefore the most logical potential candidate requirements would be:

2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account
Elite rank sounds interesting, Btw Legendary members have for long been left out with nothing to look forward to, but this challenge of a new rank is a welcome development as this will give them a reason to hang out more often on the forum & share with us their knowledge. And just to make this not out of reach for many, I suppose the 3k Merits & 3k Activity should be a good reach ::)


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Daltonik on January 30, 2023, 07:40:40 AM
I remember that day, when the merits become a thing in the forum. Since I was a Legendary user at that point I get instant 1000 merits, and when I realize other users have to get those 1000 merits to become a legendary user I really feel bad for them.

It has been a long time, this week was the 5th birthday of the merits system as we can see in this thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0 ). And a lot of people have worked hard to become legendary user in the forum. So, I was thinking...

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

What would be a good name for this new rank?

That's called power creeping.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Power%20Creep

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A certain flaw in game balance design, where content released later tends to get more powerful as time goes. This can be seen in multiplayer games that have regular expansions or balance patches.

The merit system was created because people were creating account farms and it was too easy to do it. Merits didn't stop the farmers but slowed them down. Maybe the old farmers got away with it because they already had an army but it did stop the newbies from creating new farms.

I don't think we need more of this thing. Getting to legendary is already hard enough. No need to turn this forum into an RPG where you upgrade items and ranks.

Reading the topic, too, in my head all the time, I did not leave the thought of turning the ranking by the gradation of the rarity of heroes into an RPG, it remains only to add the divine rank and there will be complete completeness. :)


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on January 30, 2023, 08:53:18 AM
theymos has never replied on this idea and likely he did not feel comfortable to deploy it officially.
That means its impossible to have a new rank and based on the discussion here, I doubt it will ever be deploy. But it seems some of the veterans are interested to have this new rank. The idea isnt bad after all, since we have something to look forward besides being a legendary rank already.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Adbitco on January 30, 2023, 08:57:06 AM
Having a new rank implies making the system more taskable for user to get a newer rank, I believe now many people are complaining of the restrictions and limitations, so if added another rank I wonder how quickly they could get to the newest rank and imagining how tough it will be for the beginners. However, I don't see any reason to add additional rank while people are still struggling with this limitations. Instead of new rank there should be something pretty more better, maybe anyone who attains a particular merits (10k above) can get a "Title". Meaning him or she have to chose a title then send it to Theymos to be customized on their profile imo. At least this will actually make it very interesting and fun.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on January 30, 2023, 09:24:42 PM
Well, if the consideration for new Bitcointalk rank is open to ideas, I see no reason as to why only merit score should be the only criteria required.
Those who have stayed too long on a particular rank,  have shown consistency in contributing with improved post quality and have promise to get better, should be considered for the new Bitcointalk rank too, don't you think?
 


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on January 30, 2023, 10:58:55 PM
Do you know how hard it is to make it up to through those ranks already?? Ofcourse I shouldn't find much difficulties in making illustrations over them cus you were once a newbie and you know what it took you.
No, we don't need a new rank...it's just gonna make the whole thing clumsy and senseless -- I'mma be asking myself, am I actually playing on a mortal Kombat? Cus we've even stages more than those mortals...lol ... that's shitty dude. I always keep saying that Theymos isn't gonna look through a Post like this for the second time cus he's got alot of things on his waiting list already.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Sarah Azhari on January 31, 2023, 02:11:43 AM
What would be a good name for this new rank?

Maybe don't change too much from Legendary, just add + and add more gold from 5 to 6 like the picture below.

https://iili.io/H1TkOIs.png (https://freeimage.host/)

there will be a lot of changes if implemented, Legendary rank will have 6 gold without purple in the end.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: UserU on January 31, 2023, 07:29:16 AM

https://iili.io/H1TkOIs.png (https://freeimage.host/)

there will be a lot of changes if implemented, Legendary rank will have 6 gold without purple in the end.

Sounds like those Samsung/ iPhone naming convention. Plus, Pro, Max ;D


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: LoyceV on January 31, 2023, 08:35:15 AM
Maybe don't change too much from Legendary, just add +
Legendary/ (pronounce: "Legendary Slash") sounds much cooler.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: bullrun2024bro on January 31, 2023, 09:41:02 AM
Maybe don't change too much from Legendary, just add + and add more gold from 5 to 6 like the picture below.

Legendary/ (pronounce: "Legendary Slash") sounds much cooler.

These might "sound" cooler, but what about adding a BTC symbol instead of anything random.  :P

Legendary BTC or BTC Legendary

While I remain opposed to another rank, I would argue (if there really is a new rank) for a clearly visible difference from Legendary status. Like for example:

Epic
Elite
Veteran



Sounds like those Samsung/ iPhone naming convention. Plus, Pro, Max ;D

Please no, haha.  :D


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: elevates on January 31, 2023, 01:53:45 PM

These might "sound" cooler, but what about adding a BTC symbol instead of anything random.  :P

Legendary BTC or BTC Legendary

While I remain opposed to another rank, I would argue (if there really is a new rank) for a clearly visible difference from Legendary status. Like for example:

Epic
Elite
Veteran


I think BTC Legendary looks more unique and defines what you are called a Legendary in this forum. Whether or not any changes happen with the Rank system but if it happens and there is voting I would support it. Epic, Elite, and Veteran are some titles that have been used or are being used in other forums. Creating something unique like this one gives a unique identity to those who have achieved it.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Asiska02 on January 31, 2023, 10:12:32 PM
I remember that day, when the merits become a thing in the forum. Since I was a Legendary user at that point I get instant 1000 merits, and when I realize other users have to get those 1000 merits to become a legendary user I really feel bad for them.

It’s okay to feel bad for the new users that later joined the forum after the airdropped merits, it isn’t kinda easy keeping up and contributing worthwhile informations to the forum.. I would say the airdropped merits it’s your reward for joining early and believing in bitcoin at that moment when the whole world was against it.


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It has been a long time, this week was the 5th birthday of the merits system as we can see in this thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0 ). And a lot of people have worked hard to become legendary user in the forum.

It isn’t easy moving from newbie to legendary but every move is always an optimistic step towards achieving the main aim. Working hard to rank up is for the new users now, the early birds have already benefited from this through the airdropped merit.


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What would be a good name for this new rank?

Master or veteran will do..


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Accardo on February 04, 2023, 06:39:10 AM
Maybe don't change too much from Legendary, just add + and add more gold from 5 to 6 like the picture below.

Legendary/ (pronounce: "Legendary Slash") sounds much cooler.

These might "sound" cooler, but what about adding a BTC symbol instead of anything random.  :P

Legendary BTC or BTC Legendary

While I remain opposed to another rank, I would argue (if there really is a new rank) for a clearly visible difference from Legendary status. Like for example:

Epic
Elite
Veteran



Sounds like those Samsung/ iPhone naming convention. Plus, Pro, Max ;D

Please no, haha.  :D


Adding the ranks you mentioned above would be a fresh journey for the Legendary members which in turn make them hustle for more merits in the forum, but it'll demoralize some lower ranked members knowing that the journey is yet too far to get to elite. I think the best method is to change the color of the last coins on the legendary member's account who manages to hit the desired merit and activity count for a new rank. Instead of changing names that'll be a better way to distinguish between different levels of legendary ranks. On the other hand, the bitcoin sign you suggested, has been set aside for the core bitcoin developers and that will cause some complication when trying to determine who is indeed a developer, or worked with Satoshi.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: 348Judah on February 04, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
Adding the ranks you mentioned above would be a fresh journey for the Legendary members which in turn make them hustle for more merits in the forum, but it'll demoralize some lower ranked members knowing that the journey is yet too far to get to elite. I think the best method is to change the color of the last coins on the legendary member's account who manages to hit the desired merit and activity count for a new rank. Instead of changing names that'll be a better way to distinguish between different levels of legendary ranks. On the other hand, the bitcoin sign you suggested, has been set aside for the core bitcoin developers and that will cause some complication when trying to determine who is indeed a developer, or worked with Satoshi.

What we should also consider when talking about adding another rabk to the legendary rank is that am sure after a new rank is been added, there will always still be a new urge for more, which to me will make it seems a kind of competitive race as to who are the eligible legendary members to get there first, being a legendary already is good enough to proof that you've done a lot in the past that has earned you to that rank you are.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: virasog on February 04, 2023, 04:46:01 PM
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Actually there is no need for new ranks tbh. The current system works fine. People that post quality content rank up and shitposters won't make it.

Apart from that, you should visit Bitcointalk to communicate, talk about Bitcoin and socialize with other Bitcoin enthusiasts - not to hunt for a new forum rank.

What would you call something after Legendary anyway? Super Legendary? Elite Legendary?

I think we're good.

Legendary seems enough in terms of rank and i do not think we need another higher rank than the Legendary. And yes, people can still stand out among Legendries if they have more positive trusts. But i don't think we need a new rank.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: Accardo on February 05, 2023, 09:32:30 AM
Adding the ranks you mentioned above would be a fresh journey for the Legendary members which in turn make them hustle for more merits in the forum, but it'll demoralize some lower ranked members knowing that the journey is yet too far to get to elite. I think the best method is to change the color of the last coins on the legendary member's account who manages to hit the desired merit and activity count for a new rank. Instead of changing names that'll be a better way to distinguish between different levels of legendary ranks. On the other hand, the bitcoin sign you suggested, has been set aside for the core bitcoin developers and that will cause some complication when trying to determine who is indeed a developer, or worked with Satoshi.

What we should also consider when talking about adding another rabk to the legendary rank is that am sure after a new rank is been added, there will always still be a new urge for more, which to me will make it seems a kind of competitive race as to who are the eligible legendary members to get there first, being a legendary already is good enough to proof that you've done a lot in the past that has earned you to that rank you are.

Like somebody said; it'll add to more qaulity post in the forum, but your response depends only on the mark of elegibility; number of merits, and activity. If it's kept somewhere around 20,000 merits it'll be a difficult task and only a few would strive for that as it seems almost impossible. But, if kept around 2k merits then over 150 members who have already earned 2k merits will be instantly promoted to the new level which won't make any difference anymore. Frankly speaking, this is just a suggestion and may not get implemented, and the fact it's not implemented shouldn't stop legendary members from investing more knowledge into the forum. I mean earning merits looks good regardless of the rank a user found himself. So, legendary members shouldn't reduce the quality of posts because the ranking level ended there. In case a new rank arrives then it won't be a tedious task for them anymore, that is if shifted to a long merit number like 20k or 30k merits.


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: drwhobox on February 05, 2023, 10:19:02 AM

https://iili.io/H1TkOIs.png (https://freeimage.host/)

there will be a lot of changes if implemented, Legendary rank will have 6 gold without purple in the end.

Sounds like those Samsung/ iPhone naming convention. Plus, Pro, Max ;D
That would be awesome, like if anyone has over 10000+merit he would be Legendary ultra pro MAX.
Ex: LoyceV- Ultra Pro Max  ;D


Title: Re: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥
Post by: bullrun2024bro on February 06, 2023, 05:06:48 PM
I'm new here, I want to know how many post or activity one will make a day

If you are new to the forum, just check these threads, if you haven't read them already:

1. FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0)
2. Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0)
3. Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)

In general, however, you should not put much importance on merit and activity as a newbie. If you stay active and write meaningful, helpful posts, your forum rank will (magically) rise all by itself.

If you are only aiming to increase your forum rank in order to participate in signature campaigns, you will not have an easy time. I can promise you that, haha.  ;)