On Ordinals: Where do you stand?

[Z390]

I will try to get my hands on some ordinals like ORDI but that's for the possible purpose of making more money in the next bull market, It seems ordinals will drive a new attention to Bitcoin by 2025 because of ordinals, if anyone is planning to do the same I would suggest not investing too much because nothing is certain, but for the fact that ordinals are running on Bitcoin makes me feel that there will be some good gains to made from ordinals.

I will like to ask the audience, which ordinal assets are you storing up for the future? Or which one do you think it's stronger among the rest?

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[nutildah]

I will like to ask the audience, which ordinal assets are you storing up for the future? Or which one do you think it's stronger among the rest?

None.

What might have been a useful feature has turned into a total degen gimmick. As someone who has been watching this clown show unfold since the beginning, I can tell you that pretty much every ordinal or BRC20 is currently overvalued and the only ones that potentially have any promise in the future can be found within the first 10,000 inscriptions or so.

If you don't have one of those - and a notable one at that - its a total crapshoot and you'll probably lose money. Don't say you weren't warned.

[franky1]

I will like to ask the audience, which ordinal assets are you storing up for the future? Or which one do you think it's stronger among the rest?

None.

What might have been a useful feature has turned into a total degen gimmick. As someone who has been watching this clown show unfold since the beginning, I can tell you that pretty much every ordinal or BRC20 is currently over zero real valued and the only ones that potentially have any promise in the future can be found within the first 10,000 inscriptions or so.

If you don't have one of those - and a notable one at that - its a total crapshoot and you'll probably lose money. Don't say you weren't warned.

fixed that for you

it must be recruitment week. pretending to be against ordinals.. just to find people that will be loyal to you becasue your realising more people hate ordinals than like them..  shame your post history reveals you adore them. so ill wait a week and see your post personality flip back to adoring them again and wanting them to continue.. like every other time

piece of advice for all other reasoners dont fall into the cult of these idiots. do your own research. they will find ways to scam you out of your funds one way or another. most likely try to get you to use another network thats broke whilst saying bitcoin is not the network you should stick with using

[DooMAD]

None.

What might have been a useful feature has turned into a total degen gimmick. As someone who has been watching this clown show unfold since the beginning, I can tell you that pretty much every ordinal or BRC20 is currently over zero real valued and the only ones that potentially have any promise in the future can be found within the first 10,000 inscriptions or so.

If you don't have one of those - and a notable one at that - its a total crapshoot and you'll probably lose money. Don't say you weren't warned.

fixed that for you

it must be recruitment week. pretending to be against ordinals.. just to find people that will be loyal to you becasue your realising more people hate ordinals than like them..  shame your post history reveals you adore them. so ill wait a week and see your post personality flip back to adoring them again and wanting them to continue.. like every other time

Do you only see in binary or something?  Is everything for you black and white, with no room for middleground at all?  I get that you're a rabid extremist and you're incapable of nuance yourself, but can you at least comprehend the fact that normal human beings can see situations in ways other than absolutes?  

Every post you make in this topic is basically saying "if you're not against it, you're for it", but that's merely indicative of your inability to comprehend that there are more subtle stances in between those two extremes.  And there's no truth in it at all.

It's a perfectly valid stance to say that I personally think Ordinals in their present form are worthless junk.  But at the same time, I don't believe it's in any way prudent or sensible to attempt to centrally plan them out of existence using brute force (and seemingly neither do devs).  Not only would it be stupid and reckless to try, it's also utterly futile.  In no way am I "for" Ordinals, but I'm not "against" them enough to make a rash emotional response (as you are) like trying to ban them, which would likely threaten Bitcoin's very fundamentals.  The far more reasonable and elegant approach is to build more efficient ways to perform the same function.  This way the cost will be lower and incentivise a less inconsiderate usage of resources.  The work is well underway, you can't stop it and it's going to happen.  But you'll cry more because it involves layer 2.  

You whine when people put Ordinals on the blockchain, but you also whine when someone says Ordinals could go on Layer 2.  Make it make sense, plz.

but i wouldn't put it past casey to come up with a git type tool for ordinals. he's a genius. as is evidenced by all the stuff he's done.

Cunning and opportunistic, certainly.  Genius might be a bit of a stretch, though.  The things he builds are seemingly rather wasteful and slipshod in nature.

[larry_vw_1955]

apparently "full archival nodes" are on the way out. they simply won't exist anymore at a certain point other than maybe you can find a service that will let you look at old history if you pay. that's what i heard...

and there goes the "decentralised blockchain" principle.. sold out to the highest paying central point of failure corporation

i'm not the one that said it franky. you might be surprised who did though. and it might not be who you thought.

i know you hear things from idiots..
but although explorers do show history FOR FREE. amd although being a full node is still cheap. i do understand why your idiot mentor has $$$ on his mind of making people need to pay for everything as a service.. funny part is though your mentor is promoting capitalist ideals while he himself isnt profiting from the promotions. he HOPES one day someone will recognise his ass kissing and will pay him. but after 6 years he is still penny pinching sig-campaigns so its not likely they will hire him as an official PR guy. so learn from his mistakes.. ass kissing wont make you wealthy

I don't know who you think you're talking about but I don't think it could be greg. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452159.msg62379210#msg62379210

So not only do you have to worry that it might become unavailable, it'll be inevitable, except in the sense that perhaps there may be some archive someplace or another that has the historical chain and might make it available to you at some cost.

see the link if you want more context.

all this information is a simple google search away. dare yourself to seek it

it's not necessarily the answers that are the hard thing to find it is knowing what questions to ask in the first place. you act like it is easy to google search something but search for what?

Cunning and opportunistic, certainly.  Genius might be a bit of a stretch, though.  The things he builds are seemingly rather wasteful and slipshod in nature.

agreed. he's kind of a real oddity. 

[ChiBitCTy]

I am all for updating bitcoin's blockchain as time goes on.  I know some feel that the whole point of bitcoin is it's protocol not being deviated from much, but I feel like the whole point of having an electronic cash system, is the fact that it's programmable makes it so that it could always be improved upon.  Now the negative is wasting time and resources on updating stuff so people can make useless ordinals /NFTs etc to try and make money off of.  It's slowing down the network, increasing fees, all for what?

[nutildah]

fixed that for you

Yes, you "fixed" it by removing the piece of collector's knowledge this person was seeking, something you have no experience with or frame of reference for.

My post history reveals I've never been a fan of ordinals and never expressed interest in purchasing them myself. However, I do know that in the future the collector's market will desire the earlier inscriptions, assuming there isn't some economic catastrophe between now and then.

Since you're so big on data and research, please find one post where I expressed an adoration for ordinals. Just because you're often wrong on a technical level and need to be corrected before others start believing your nonsense, it doesn't mean I "adore" ordinals.

[larry_vw_1955]

My post history reveals I've never been a fan of ordinals and never expressed interest in purchasing them myself.

yeah i don't know where franky gets some of his wild ideas.

However, I do know that in the future the collector's market will desire the earlier inscriptions, assuming there isn't some economic catastrophe between now and then.

well in the past, people were trying to sell low inscription numbers on ordswap for insane prices just because.just because they had a low number so the future may have already occurred to some extent.

It's a perfectly valid stance to say that I personally think Ordinals in their present form are worthless junk.  But at the same time, I don't believe it's in any way prudent or sensible to attempt to centrally plan them out of existence using brute force (and seemingly neither do devs).

you're a really reasonable person DooMAD. franky is the one that is unreasonable in his demands and i guess expectations.

Not only would it be stupid and reckless to try, it's also utterly futile.  In no way am I "for" Ordinals, but I'm not "against" them enough to make a rash emotional response (as you are) like trying to ban them, which would likely threaten Bitcoin's very fundamentals.

you don't know how true that statement could be. imagine someone like franky brute forces ordinals out of existence and then all the people that used ordinals switch over to something like Bitcoin Stamps. How many million ordinals do we now have? How many Bitcoin Stamps are there? Let's keep it that way.   Because when things start getting stored into the UTXO set itself, you're not pruning that. But I guess that's what franky wants is to force people into storing things into the UTXO set. Because if he does that then he wins the small battle. And of course loses the war.

The reason people don't use something like Stamps is because ordinals is probably alot cheaper and they don't want to have to pay more. And that's really better for bitcoin anyway for them to not be using Stamps since it bloats up the UTXO set I'm imagining. But if Franky gets his way then people would be forced to do that maybe. Are you listening Franky?  

 The far more reasonable and elegant approach is to build more efficient ways to perform the same function.  This way the cost will be lower and incentivise a less inconsiderate usage of resources.  The work is well underway, you can't stop it and it's going to happen.  But you'll cry more because it involves layer 2.

exactly. give people a choice. if it's cheaper and offers similiar functionality that's about all you can do is lead a horse to water. but franky wants to force the horse not to drink at all...

[franky1]

apparently "full archival nodes" are on the way out. they simply won't exist anymore at a certain point other than maybe you can find a service that will let you look at old history if you pay. that's what i heard...

and there goes the "decentralised blockchain" principle.. sold out to the highest paying central point of failure corporation

i'm not the one that said it franky. you might be surprised who did though. and it might not be who you thought.

I don't know who you think you're talking about but I don't think it could be greg.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452159.msg62379210#msg62379210

So not only do you have to worry that it might become unavailable, it'll be inevitable, except in the sense that perhaps there may be some archive someplace or another that has the historical chain and might make it available to you at some cost.

see the link if you want more context.

not surprised.. at all.. kinda funny how it was me telling you about the corporate greed of core devs wanting to mess with a full node to such extremes for corporate profit

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funny part about your other post about the 'if we stop ordinals they will just use stamps'.. here is the things you are ignoring:
a. you want to do a "lets do nothing" option. thus allowing the bloat... stupidity at its finest..

b. code can be created to stop these things by actually having format requirements and expectations for byte utility. rather than all this 'dont check', 'assume valid' 'is valid' bypass cludge. meaning there are ways to prevent wasteful use of the stamps too.. but you dont want core devs to code it... again stupidity at its finest.

c. for emphasis: you following the "do nothing" approach is a way to cause not just blockchain data bloat to continue but also UTXO excessive growth too..

you do not believe in code or how it can be used to make transactions efficient. you dont understand code, and dont realise what code can and should do.
so you seem to be against using code to make bitcoin do its job its suppose to do. you are part of the cult promotion group that want full nodes to be a commercial service charging for archival exploring. because you think core devs should have the ability to ruin it for the community due to their contract that requires them to get ROI on their sponsors investment..
and i assume you think if you ass kiss their narrative you will get paid for your loyalty.. im guessing doomad promised you riches if you join the cult-speak
but here is the thing. if doomad has not been hired in his last 6 years of ass kissing(presume not by his requirement of sig-campaigning other scammy services).. learn from that. you wont get hired/paid for as kissing a commercial narrative. so no point ass kissing the commercialisation and breakdown of bitcoin which just wants to advertise other systems/services that pay middlemen per use which they think everyone should use instead

fixed that for you

My post history reveals I've never been a fan of ordinals and never expressed interest in purchasing them myself. However, I do know that in the future the collector's market will desire the earlier inscriptions, assuming there isn't some economic catastrophe between now and then.

Since you're so big on data and research, please find one post where I expressed an adoration for ordinals. Just because you're often wrong on a technical level and need to be corrected before others start believing your nonsense, it doesn't mean I "adore" ordinals.

in this very topic you have been promoting them. you have been LYING by pretending that they have proof of transfer and value and pretending that it works

fact is:
its junk dead weight data... so even in your occassional attempt to pretend to be against them once in a while.. you then flip the script still by still hinting that you think they are a valued system so are still promoting that you think  collectors should grab some of the early ones..

[DooMAD]

and i assume you think if you ass kiss their narrative you will get paid for your loyalty.. im guessing doomad promised you riches if you join the cult-speak
but here is the thing. if doomad has not been hired in his last 6 years of ass kissing(presume not by his requirement of sig-campaigning other scammy services).. learn from that. you wont get hired/paid for as kissing a commercial narrative. so no point ass kissing the commercialisation and breakdown of bitcoin which just wants to advertise other systems/services that pay middlemen per use which they think everyone should use instead

Wow.  The desperation is almost palpable, heh. 

I am not a spokesperson.  I have no financial relationship or affiliation with Bitcoin Core, Blockstream or whichever other boogeymen you're so afraid of.  Not a single signature campaign I've ever been on has tried to influence or pressure me into expressing any views for or against anything developers have said or done.  I receive no income from running LN nodes.  None of my views on Ordinals, scaling, development, layer 2, etc are influenced by money in any way, shape or form.

I merely express what I believe to be correct and proper based on the principles of open-source, permissionless freedom.  It's not my fault you hate open-source, permissionless freedom and everything it entails.

You can certainly try to undermine me by lying and making things up.  But I think most people are smart enough to see through that.  It's only your credibility that you end up undermining.  Not that you had any left, anyway.   

[larry_vw_1955]

not surprised.. at all.. kinda funny how it was me telling you about the corporate greed of core devs wanting to mess with a full node to such extremes for corporate profit

obviously you want people to still have to download the entire blockchain no matter how big it is far into the future. it's not only the downloading but also the processing. so i guess i can put you in the camp that says we'll always need to download the full blockchain if we want to verify it is legitimate.

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funny part about your other post about the 'if we stop ordinals they will just use stamps'.. here is the things you are ignoring:
a. you want to do a "lets do nothing" option. thus allowing the bloat... stupidity at its finest..

the block size is capped franky. and only so many blocks in a day. people can still send bitcoin. there is no bloat. the only bloat you don't like is higher transaction fees.

b. code can be created to stop these things by actually having format requirements and expectations for byte utility. rather than all this 'dont check', 'assume valid' 'is valid' bypass cludge. meaning there are ways to prevent wasteful use of the stamps too.. but you dont want core devs to code it... again stupidity at its finest.

so i want to hear your proposal about how you would block Bitcoin Stamps. let's hear it franky. or are you too afraid to explain how because then they might come up with a workaround?

c. for emphasis: you following the "do nothing" approach is a way to cause not just blockchain data bloat to continue but also UTXO excessive growth too..

i already told you if you keep moaning and complaining about ordinals and ban them then you are part of the problem because you'll then be forcing people over to something else like Bitcoin Stamps which uses the UTXO set. Which is what you just said you don't want!

you are part of the cult promotion group that want full nodes to be a commercial service charging for archival exploring.

i don't want them to do that but i heard that's what going to happen oneday if you can even find a service like that at all. obviously you take offence to that notion/idea. but you haven't explained why it won't happen. i'm listening though.

because you think core devs should have the ability to ruin it for the community due to their contract that requires them to get ROI on their sponsors investment..

they're not ruining anything franky. they're just servants of bitcoin. they will serve their time and then hand it over to other people who will then serve. you on the other hand are not serving. because you're not producing anything. not offering any product or service or alternative.

and i assume you think if you ass kiss their narrative you will get paid for your loyalty.. im guessing doomad promised you riches if you join the cult-speak
but here is the thing. if doomad has not been hired in his last 6 years of ass kissing(presume not by his requirement of sig-campaigning other scammy services).. learn from that. you wont get hired/paid for as kissing a commercial narrative. so no point ass kissing the commercialisation and breakdown of bitcoin which just wants to advertise other systems/services that pay middlemen per use which they think everyone should use instead

you always seem to come around to impeaching people based on how you think they are motivated by financial means. as though you're better than them because you own enough BTC so that you don't have to work...

[nutildah]

in this very topic you have been promoting them.

I knew it. You can't point to one single instance where I was pro-ordinals.

you have been LYING by pretending that they have proof of transfer and value and pretending that it works

I could say you've been lying by continuing to misunderstand how it works after multiple attempts to explain the basics to you (since you refuse to do your own research), but its possible you just really are this dull-headed and incapable of learning.

its junk dead weight data... so even in your occassional attempt to pretend to be against them once in a while.. you then flip the script still by still hinting that you think they are a valued system so are still promoting that you think  collectors should grab some of the early ones..

Again, you're misrepresenting my words because you can never backtrack on a claim you've made, regardless of how stupid it is. It's the reason why not a single person here takes you seriously.

[franky1]

idiots being idiots

larry again asks me to show how to fix things. i again have to inform him of a thing called CODE.. its been mentioned soo many times now but he serms to want to avoid understanding code. wants to think code has no purpose

yet code can make rules to define expectations of what bytes are in a transaction and the format of those bytes where it requires certain formats and expectations of content, length, and proofs. no junk

funny how larry is an idiot to many things about bitcoin. but is first inline to spot a scam and advertise it.

he also blindly thinks there is no bloat and only a fee mania problem. seems he doesnt understand that the memes/json JUNK is JUNK bloat that can be stopped using code.. and the fixes(many mentioned in previous posts) can fix the junk and also make transactions leaner and cost effective aswell. and allow more genuine transactions per block that are spendable for real bitcoin utility ~(but larry does not like that idea.. an idea of bitcoin being used for bitcoins purpose)

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nutildah thinks he cant remember one time he promoted ordinals...by saying  he has not promoted it in the same post he is promoting ordinals by defending his warped view of pretending that they work and his previous post of saying they have value..

he refuses to do the math to realise even the basic counting sats example he gave.. shows that it does not work and is broke. he pretends i refuse to do the research and yet i done more research than he did, i actually bothered to count the sats, using his own example of transaction.. it was nutildah that cant count and so he cant understand how it DOES NOT WORK because he lacks doing the research. all he wants to do is promote the scam broken promise working of a project managers explanation. without nutty actually looking at the block data and counting the sats to see if the project manager is correct or not. blind ignorance and project manager idolation is what nutildah follows, not research

seems idiots just want to go around in circles forgetting they are idiots and then question why they are being called idiots even though it has been explained to them in many posts

goodluck to them. but one thing is for sure, their motives are promoting crap. idolising corporate shills with blind ignorant loyalty in hope of getting rich. but from their mentors evidence. if their mentor is not wealthy then these idiots wont get wealthy any time soon either

[nutildah]

franky1 in a nutshell, regarding ordinals or any topic that's ever been discussed here

[larry_vw_1955]

larry again asks me to show how to fix things. i again have to inform him of a thing called CODE.. its been mentioned soo many times now but he serms to want to avoid understanding code. wants to think code has no purpose

just because there is a thing called CODE doesn't mean you need to CODE. noun and verb.

yet code can make rules to define expectations of what bytes are in a transaction and the format of those bytes where it requires certain formats and expectations of content, length, and proofs. no junk

well franky can make rules. code is an inanimate object so code doesn't make any rules. franky makes rules and then he tries to put them into code maybe. so that other people have to follow his rules if he can cram it into bitcoin core.

funny how larry is an idiot to many things about bitcoin. but is first inline to spot a scam and advertise it.

if you say so franky.

he also blindly thinks there is no bloat and only a fee mania problem.

bitcoin has a fixed blocksize franky. it can't be bigger than what is it, 4mb? doesn't matter what people put into the blocks, 4mb is the max. so yeah. the types of transactions could vary over time. miners go with whatever is paying the most fees they don't care what the transactions are for. but you do. because you want to censor people. that's very obvious because by censoring people you feel that the fees will go down but you seem to think that it will alleviate your disc space issue but again, if you're not prepared to set aside 4mb per block then maybe you shouldn't be running a full node.

seems he doesnt understand that the memes/json JUNK is JUNK bloat that can be stopped using code.. and the fixes(many mentioned in previous posts) can fix the junk and also make transactions leaner and cost effective aswell. and allow more genuine transactions per block that are spendable for real bitcoin utility ~(but larry does not like that idea.. an idea of bitcoin being used for bitcoins purpose)

but who are you to decide what is a genuine transaction? obviously you've already decided what that is and are ready to have the code enforce it but i'm glad you're not a dev. because i think that kind of mindset is dangerous. it's like you already decided you are 100% right and bypass the need for any self reflection. 

nutildah thinks he cant remember one time he promoted ordinals...by saying  he has not promoted it in the same post he is promoting ordinals by defending his warped view of pretending that they work and his previous post of saying they have value..

i'm convinced now that you keep some type of spreadsheet where you store all the things you have against various people in this sheet for quick and easy reference...

goodluck to them. but one thing is for sure, their motives are promoting crap. idolising corporate shills with blind ignorant loyalty in hope of getting rich. but from their mentors evidence. if their mentor is not wealthy then these idiots wont get wealthy any time soon either

how many btc do you have franky? 10?

[franky1]

i'm convinced now that you keep some type of spreadsheet where you store all the things you have against various people in this sheet for quick and easy reference...

no, its called having a brain. having memory that can last more then your one week limit.
funny part is you cannot remember much passed one week which is why you have to rely on scripts fed to you by your cult mentor.

and i am still laughing how you say this

code is an inanimate object so code doesn't make any rules

you really have no clue how bitcoin works

funny part is you debunk yourself by then talking about a rule.

bitcoin has a fixed blocksize franky. it can't be bigger than what is it, 4mb? doesn't matter what people put into the blocks, 4mb is the max

where you then show(without you realising/knowing) that bitcoin does have rules created by CODE

or are you going to say bitcoin doesnt use code and instead it uses magic? is that your new idiocy? that you think bitcoin relies on magic?

[DooMAD]

bitcoin does have rules created by CODE

And franky1 has a worldview powered by imagination alone.  It remains to be seen whether franky1 has code or not because he has a total lack of spinal fortitude and won't disclose the code he claims he has made.  Code is inert if no one is running said code.  Code performs no function if it does not exist in the real world. 

Ergo, franky1 can only imagine that his make-believe code would function in practice as he pretends it might in his special little sociopath brain.

[franky1]

doomad its already been said
reinforce the rules again that have become relaxed. things like script length checks. things like content checks of scripts. non of this "is valid" by pass crap.

where by instead of allowing core to just trojan in new things without the network node majority readiness via its "backward compatibility BLUFF.. we get back to a secure network that requires network readiness to understand a new feature, to have majority full nodes be actually compatibly ready to verify the blockdata fully..  before such feature activates
ill hint again its about adjusting the opcodes and strengthening the relaxed limits and hardening the softened consensus again

you may play on memory issues much like larry is copying. but post history has a utility if you are forgetful. it allows people to go back and read things that occured in the past. try to do some research rather then ask the same questions get the answers then pretend to forget just to ask again and act like an idiot to keep running in circles

[larry_vw_1955]

where you then show(without you realising/knowing) that bitcoin does have rules created by CODE

and who created the code? people did. how did they create the code? by thinking of a set of rules. and then writing them down so a computer can understand and implement them. enforce them in your case.

there is no AI that is designing bitcoin and magically coming up with all the rules for bitcoin franky. unless you think satoshi was a computer. do you?

or are you going to say bitcoin doesnt use code and instead it uses magic? is that your new idiocy? that you think bitcoin relies on magic?

of course bitcoin uses code. but the code didn't write itself.

did you even know satoshi or do you think he was just code? how many bitcoin do you have? 20?

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Reporting this piece of BOT. People discussing something important and here comes this BOT and put this.

About the discussion itself i have to frankly say  what a energy you have guys, i take part of it a long time ago when the thread started but i see ou still in the fight.

For one side its very possitive to see this level of impetuousness and energy on defend your positions, but in the other side i have to say, ITS OK guys both have your side and its not gonna put in the same line never. Its a byzantine discussion.