My honest two questions to Royse777.

[Igebotz]

It seems like a habit now that you always employ and ask shit posters who have the neutral tag to get rid of it, even though those individuals are high-level bounty spammers and shit posters, and there is only a 0.1% chance that they will get those tags removed by looking at their post history.

My questions;

1. Royse777 If you care about (DT), why do you always add tagged (shit posters) to your campaigns? Are you implying that these spammers cannot be replaced by any other individuals who are competent?

And

2. Why not just go ahead and work with them instead of asking them to get the tags removed if you think they are inappropriate? I'm curious.

If we're being honest, these users don't deserve even $1 from the crap they post on the Altcoin discussion, Bitcoin discussion and bounty board., but at the end of the day you are the manager and your decision is final.




Username: MFahad



Username: Sayeds56

[Stalker22]

Recently, there was a similar discussion: "Members Asking For Neutral Trust To Be Removed". JollyGood responded to my query, stating that it was related to the sinbad.io campaign run by Royse777. It was claimed that he recruited members who had a neutral tag from certain DT members and later asked them to remove neutral ratings from their feedback pages.

As I previously commented in that thread, I have never witnessed such requirements from a bounty manager and I am not sure of its moral correctness. Every manager has the right to select participants in their campaigns, but they should not abuse their managerial position to sway the DT system.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So what's the controvery here, exactly?  Is it that Royse777 isn't accepting people into his campaign based on neutral feedbacks from DT members?  I just want to make sure I'm following correctly. 

If that is indeed the case, I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing, and in fact I think it's a good thing that he's checking applicants' trust pages and noticing neutrals instead of just looking for red trust.  Actmyname and I tagged an enormous number of shitposters back in 2017-18, and we had to change all of them to neutral based on the community standards in the wake of the merit system being created.  That's one thing.  The spammers blacklist that he's got going shouldn't be dismissed so lightly, because he's a good judge of who's a shitposter and who's not.

If this is about something different and I'm reading things wrong (always possible), somebody please school me on what the problem is here.

[yahoo62278]

In 2018 and years prior, the forum had a plethora of available campaign participants. It was nothing for me to fill 500 spots in a week with active forum posters. Now when filling campaigns, the number of decent active forum users is a lot smaller than it used to be. Now managers have to look at accepting less than average participants to fill a campaign IMO.

Should managers accept these poor posters and spammers? Probably not, but sometimes a person wants to look like they are competent. If you cannot fill a simple 20 person campaign with decent posters what good are you? I'm not saying royse is not doing their job, i'm just saying this is likely what goes through some managers minds.

The neutral trust thing is a pretty bad thing to worry about IMO. Either don't hire those users or ask them to get it removed before hiring them. Don't add them and then request they get it removed. These days it's very hard to get someone to change their trust. We all get stubborn with our opinions. Regardless, they're his/her rules so they have the right to use them, I just wouldn't.

[Hamza2424]

My dear fellow IgeBotz, I think it's the decision of the Bounty manager as I don't know what are the basic criteria of the selection but obviously, it's based on the Merits earned and activity in my view also Reputation matters a lot. Still, I don't know why you are asking this question. In the rules, it's clearly mentioned by the manager



For the rest of the questions or queries, I think Only the bounty manager can set up proper answers. 

[Igebotz]

So what's the controvery here, exactly?  Is it that Royse777 isn't accepting people into his campaign based on neutral feedbacks from DT members?  I just want to make sure I'm following correctly.  

In fact, he's doing the exact opposite, accepting members who have neutral feedbacks (which show that they're shitposters) and asking them to have it removed. If he cared so much about their neutral feedback, why did he hire them in the first place?

The neutral trust thing is a pretty bad thing to worry about IMO. Either don't hire those users or ask them to get it removed before hiring them. Don't add them and then request they get it removed.

that's key point. Don't hire someone if you are concerned about their reputation. He is defying his own rules.

My dear fellow IgeBotz, I think it's the decision of the Bounty manager as I don't know what are the basic criteria of the selection but obviously, it's based on the Merits earned and activity in my view also Reputation matters a lot. Still, I don't know why you are asking this question. In the rules, it's clearly mentioned by the manager

If reputation counts so much, he shouldn't have allowed shitposters with a legit neutral tags to join. like I said before its just an honest question my friend, no hard feelings. 

[decodx]

So what's the controvery here, exactly?  Is it that Royse777 isn't accepting people into his campaign based on neutral feedbacks from DT members?  I just want to make sure I'm following correctly. 

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If this is about something different and I'm reading things wrong (always possible), somebody please school me on what the problem is here.

I believe it went something like this: Royse777 decided to accept members for the campaign even though they had neutral tags on their profiles. Later, he had an issue with selecting participants who had a neutral trust, so he informs the members that they had to clear certain neutral tags from their trust page if they wanted to remain in the campaign. As far as I know, it started with joker_josue and another member, as discussed in this thread. They were both accepted into the Sinbad mixer campaign, and after a week or two asked JollyGood to revise the neutrals on their profiles. JG wrote about it here.

[dkbit98]

Royse in headlines... here we go again.  
I really don't understand why he is asking members to beg other members to remove their neutral feedback, it's not the same like negative feedback.
Don't get me wrong, I think people can change but it looks to me that Royse is just making cosmetic changes and nothing more.

PS
Full disclosure, I received one of this message from member who is now in one of campaigns managed by Royse.
I am monitoring posts from this member and I can easily return my neutral feedback.

[shahzadafzal]

My honest two questions to Royse777.

Well I don’t know but that doesn’t seem to be ”two” honest questions… looks like 4 5 questions to me :p

Anyway if someone has a neutral trust or even a negative trust and asking them to “convince” the tagger to get the tag removed, how is it a bad thing?

Tag or trust can be added or removed, that's what they are for.

Yeah Royse777 asked it publicly one can argue that though a PM I would have been a better option.

Your “honest questions” and your “honest” judgments don't add up.

Or am I reading it wrong?

If we're being honest, these users don't deserve even $1 from the crap they post
~
but at the end of the day you are the manager and your decision is final.

like I said before its just an honest question my friend, no hard feelings.  

[Igebotz]

Royse in headlines... here we go again. 
I really don't understand why he is asking members to beg other members to remove their neutral feedback, it's not the same like negative feedback.
Don't get me wrong, I think people can change but it looks to me that Royse is just making cosmetic changes and nothing more.

Yes, change is constant, but the users stated above are still posting crap. For example, the first user has roughly 10 proof of authentication posts in his most recent 20 posts. Now tell me how the DT is expected to revise tag on such a person.

PS
Full disclosure, I received one of this message from member who is now in one of campaigns managed by Royse.
I am monitoring posts from this member and I can easily return my neutral feedback.

i have few cases like this in my PM from the gambling board, I've revised some while still monitoring the others. good call.

My honest two questions to Royse777.

Well I don’t know but that doesn’t seem to be ”two” honest questions… looks like 4 5 questions to me :p

I have only two honest questions in the OP, if you found something extra its a bug

Anyway if someone has a neutral trust or even a negative trust and asking them to “convince” the tagger to get the tag removed, how is it a bad thing?

'convince' is not by sending PMs asking DT to have mercy if you are still doing the same bad habit. improvement = convince.

Your “honest questions” and your “honest” judgments don't add up.

Or am I reading it wrong?

If we're being honest, these users don't deserve even $1 from the crap they post
~
but at the end of the day you are the manager and your decision is final.

like I said before its just an honest question my friend, no hard feelings. 

' if we're being honest" is not a judgmental sentence.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Your “honest questions” and your “honest” judgments don't add up.

Here we go 😉

[...]

My one honest question. Why are you so concerned about it?

My honest thoughts 🤣
1. You have been rejected in one or many of his campaigns and felt hurt
2. One of the participant or many are pissing you to remove the feedback you left. [Solution: You can ignore if you do not agree]
3. One or many participants are too coward to ask it by themselves hence they requested you to create the topic. [Sub question: Why you?]
4. You have problems with Royce so you found a chance to discredit him [although I do not see how you are discrediting but it sounds like you are at least trying]
5. Royce is secretly paying some of you to keep him always in the mind of everyone. [Another sub question: How much if you don't mind?]
6. All these accounts are his alternative accounts 🤑
7. My brain needs a surgery before the sex change 🤪

Another honest question. Did you PM him about it and asked personally first?

I wonder any of us even have the right to discuss about it and give a set of rules to a manager [LOL]. A manager have his own rules, whatever he does or does not it's between him and the people working for him. I am f**king no one to tell him what to do and what not to.

Update

extra its a bug

The subs above are bug 😂

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So what's the controvery here, exactly?  Is it that Royse777 isn't accepting people into his campaign based on neutral feedbacks from DT members?  I just want to make sure I'm following correctly.  

In fact, he's doing the exact opposite, accepting members who have neutral feedbacks (which show that they're shitposters) and asking them to have it removed. If he cared so much about their neutral feedback, why did he hire them in the first place?

Ahhh.....that's a different thing entirely, and if that's what he's doing--which I've no reason to doubt after the clarification--then that's just wrong.  For one thing, it causes more drama with members trying to get neutral feedback removed, and for another it's squeezing free advertisement out of members who likely will never have a shot at getting paid because they won't be able to get feedback removed.

I really don't understand why he is asking members to beg other members to remove their neutral feedback, it's not the same like negative feedback.

I'd prefer it if Royse777 just didn't accept members with neutral feedback attesting to those members' lack of post quality instead of letting them in contingent on them getting whoever left the feedback to reverse themselves.  The chances of that happening are usually small.  There can't be that much of a shortage of applicants, can there?

[UmerIdrees]

'convince' is not by sending PMs asking DT to have mercy if you are still doing the same bad habit. improvement = convince.

Well, i agree with your point of view that people need to improve first and then convince to remove the negative / Neutral feedback, but in both cases, they have to send the PM to the DT member to bring this matter to their attention. So when a few genuine people (who have improved their posting habits) will PM DT, at the same time a lot of others will PM too who haven't improved.

A shit poster can improve and can become better while a good poster can be at times becomes a shit poster. Ideally, when we give feedback to anyone about their posting quality, it should be checked after 3 months or 6 months to see if he has improved. Since people usually forget after giving feedback, so the only option left to the people is to PM the DT members. I would not call it begging because it is the only option if you have improved yourself and want to bring attention to the DT member.

[Despairo]

I was remember with joker_josue's case get neutral tag. Even he's already ask the DT user which give the neutral tag and the community, the tag is revised but it doesn't removed.

We need to being honest here, does we (I, you and everyone else) read someone post and then check the neutral feedback of the account? For me, no. I don't really think a user received neutral feedback is a scammer or someone I need to avoid. It's different if the user receive negative feedback or he's wearing 1xbit signature, many people will judge they're a scammer, even though not all user receive negative feedback is 100% scammer.

What do you think about this one? he's okay to accept a user who receive negative feedback than the user who receive neutral feedback.

[AB de Royse777]

at the end of the day you are the manager and your decision is final.

Thank you, yes, I am.


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[Rikafip]

There can't be that much of a shortage of applicants, can there?

One would think that, but when you look at it a little bit closer, you will notice that almost every signature campaign (especially the newer ones) have at least a couple of shitposters.

Situation changed drastically (combination of more signature campaigns and fewer active members) in the last few years and now there's more signature campaign spots than decent posters which forces managers to lower the bar and this lowering of standards came up to the point that even shitpoters can make $75-$100 per week.


I have to agree that what he is doing by accepting members and then asking them to have neutral removed doesn't make much sense to me, but what I would like to know is are those members kicked out of the campaign if they fail to get neutral removed, or they are kept and that's just some sort of reminder for them to ask for it since many probably don't even think that its possible to remove it.

[Igebotz]

My one honest question. Why are you so concerned about it?

My honest thoughts 🤣
1. You have been rejected in one or many of his campaigns and felt hurt

No record

3. One or many participants are too coward to ask it by themselves hence they requested you to create the topic. [Sub question: Why you?]

Girlboy, if you don't already know what I am capable of, why am I in a sexual relationship with you? I wouldn't allow some goons sway my choice; I'm not a coward. Are you aware that in divorce, the division of property is 50/50?

4. You have problems with Royce so you found a chance to discredit him [although I do not see how you are discrediting but it sounds like you are at least trying]

Nope, I don't recall ever having a beef with him; I'm just someone who tells you things as they are as long as I have good justification.

5. Royce is secretly paying some of you to keep him always in the mind of everyone. [Another sub question: How much if you don't mind?]

$150 bi-weekly + pleasure in Switzerland.

6. All these accounts are his alternative accounts 🤑

If i speak I'm in trouble, i rather not speak!

7. My brain needs a surgery before the sex change 🤪

My surgery was successful, i can only have sex after 30 days. ready for show?

Another honest question. Did you PM him about it and asked personally first?

unsolicited pm.

I wonder any of us even have the right to discuss about it and give a set of rules to a manager [LOL]. A manager have his own rules, whatever he does or does not it's between him and the people working for him. I am f**king no one to tell him what to do and what not to.

If he makes it clear in his rules that he accepts both tagged and untagged members, wouldn't that relieve us of some stress?

Side idea: I am thinking to launch a bitcointalk campaign management course. You will be learning:
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For OP 50% discount, limited time offer.

Terms: I may change my mind, I reserve all the rights to accept and deny any application.

Yes, just tell me! You have run 100 advertisements since I started offering my services; you don't need to write a book to admit that I am terrible at attracting clients.. BTW if you get a client who can pay me $200/week i will gladly take it ( that's the min i can go).

but what I would like to know is are those members kicked out of the campaign if they fail to get neutral removed, or they are kept and that's just some sort of remainder for them to ask for it since many probably don't even think that its possible to remove it.

The topic he opened in reputation saved his ass.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I read this from one of the campaigns he manages. Maybe they have a pre-agreement before being accepted. Every manager has their style of management. If anyone doesn't like their style of management of campaigns, then why bother applying or complain about it? Just ignore and move onto the next one.

▶️ Neutral feedback related to post quality need prior permission from me before applying

About getting the neutral feedback removed. It's hard to pull if off. Some DT members are way too rigid and don't even think about second chances. I think when it comes to feedback regarding post quality. One's recent post history should be more than enough to judge from if they are still spammers or not. Past feedback about post quality can be misleading. Most members start out as shit posters, and then they go on to improve.

[NeuroticFish]

The problem can be seen as a complicated one or can be seen as no problem. I think that both approaches are incorrect.

As somebody said, neutral tag (should) bear no meaning. It's not negative tag. But.. But there can still be problems.
Neutral tag for spamming should be a warning exactly for bounty managers. Of course, a bounty manager can accept even a spammer and not count (and even report!) the spam posts; this could even act as a lesson.
Also some write neutral tags in the way they're clearly negative ones; those may be seen as negative.

Then somebody also rightly said that tags are difficult to remove and I agree. I had a neutral tag many years ago from the mighty Vod. It took me years until he got indeed convinced I should not be tagged, even with neutral.
And tags can no longer bear meaning. A Jr. Member can be easily shitposting because of his lack of knowledge (one has to have a certain level of knowledge to understand how little he knows), and he may have become a decent poster by reaching Sr. Member level. Still, he may have a neutral tag.

I don't say it's the case, I came with hypothetical cases.
All I say that it's not OK to generalize. Every single case (user, manager, campaign) can be different.

I also don't say Royse did good or bad. I think that the measure of all this should be the quality of posts in his campaign(s). If a spammer is allowed to spam, then yes, the complaints are more legitimate. But until then, all this is hypothetical at best.

[JollyGood]

I have to agree that what he is doing by accepting members and then asking them to have neutral removed doesn't make much sense to me

That part does not make much sense to anybody. The only thing I can think of is it being something related to Royse777 using it in future to have another attempt at having their own feedback revised.

The common sense approach would be to simply ask applicants that were on the verge of being selected for campaigns but refused because of negative or neutral tags to simply try to have the them removed then re-apply to join campaigns.

Apart from having ulterior motives for selecting participants then asking/forcing them to ask members to remove tags as a prerequisite to stay within the campaign, nothing else comes to mind and this is yet another error of judgement in a long line of errors by Royse777.