Discrimination against bounty hunters

[Pmalek]

There are two kinds of bounty hunters. There are those who ONLY do bounties and nothing else. You can recognize them as accounts having hundreds and thousands of posts without a single merit. And there are bounty hunters who partake in bounties and use the forum the way it was intended - talking and reading about Bitcoin.

The first group are a problem. Not a problem as much as they are useless to the functioning of the forum. Imagine going out with 5 friends. The four of you speak with each other normally and discuss various topics. The 5th one doesn't take part in your conversations, but he is a nuisance because he insists on barking out random words and sentences. What's going to happen with this person with time? People will stop hanging out with him. That's your average bounty hunter. Posting links to his social media reports that don't help anyone. No one reads them and no one cares.

If you post in topics that interest you like a normal human being, people will take you seriously and care about what you have to say. If all you do is post links from your Twitter page without ever talking with anyone, what kind of response do you think you will see from the community? It can't be a positive one. It simply can't. 

[AverageGlabella]

There are two kinds of bounty hunters. There are those who ONLY do bounties and nothing else. You can recognize them as accounts having hundreds and thousands of posts without a single merit. And there are bounty hunters who partake in bounties and use the forum the way it was intended - talking and reading about Bitcoin.

The first group are a problem. Not a problem as much as they are useless to the functioning of the forum. Imagine going out with 5 friends. The four of you speak with each other normally and discuss various topics. The 5th one doesn't take part in your conversations, but he is a nuisance because he insists on barking out random words and sentences. What's going to happen with this person with time? People will stop hanging out with him. That's your average bounty hunter. Posting links to his social media reports that don't help anyone. No one reads them and no one cares.

If you post in topics that interest you like a normal human being, people will take you seriously and care about what you have to say. If all you do is post links from your Twitter page without ever talking with anyone, what kind of response do you think you will see from the community? It can't be a positive one. It simply can't. 

It should not be allowed. I think members that only post here for bounties should be banned or limit the bounty board to only members who have received at least 1 merit in the last year that should stop the abuse. Some thing should be done about it because there are members here with 500+ posts that only post in bounties.

I know it brings views to the forum but they are artificial because I bet most of them are bots because it is a simple task to automate and why would you do it manually if you do not care about the forum any way you would automate it to save you time. I do not know why bounties are popular because most of the tokens are worth 0 at the end of the campaign.

[NeuroticFish]

Wow! I'm really impressed with the responds and clarification from you all though it seems some people are misunderstanding the post. I clearly stated in my post that I stand to be corrected and tbh I have been schooled.

This is how online interaction works, you should never expect people be too nice with you, especially when you make mistakes or post inaccuracies.
Get the useful part off it and ignore the rest; don't worry too much.

[stompix]

There are two kinds of bounty hunters. There are those who ONLY do bounties and nothing else. You can recognize them as accounts having hundreds and thousands of posts without a single merit. And there are bounty hunters who partake in bounties and use the forum the way it was intended - talking and reading about Bitcoin.

The first group are a problem. Not a problem as much as they are useless to the functioning of the forum. Imagine going out with 5 friends. The four of you speak with each other normally and discuss various topics. The 5th one doesn't take part in your conversations, but he is a nuisance because he insists on barking out random words and sentences.

I don't think it's really accurate or fair to split them like this.
There is a group here that is interested only in bounties and that isn't making a single post outside the bounty section, all they do is post their proofs and sometimes argue about not receiving payments, they don't interfere at all with the other discussions in other boards. I think those are not doing any harm at all, as long as you have the altcoin section on ignore you will never know that they exist, so I actually have nothing against them at all.

The most troublesome are the ones that enter bounties that are required to make posts on other boards, often in areas where they have almost no clue what they talk about since most of them are not actually dealing with bitcoin at all but most with ETH or BNB and their tokens, so they don't even know how bitcoin works. These indeed, are really annoying, especially when they use translation and don't bother to read replies or go into necro-ing 5-10 years old topics. This is a different thing, but it's not only related to bounties, the yobit spam is proof every campaign bad managed can trigger such an issue.

So, maybe three kinds of?

[Pmalek]

There is a group here that is interested only in bounties and that isn't making a single post outside the bounty section, all they do is post their proofs and sometimes argue about not receiving payments, they don't interfere at all with the other discussions in other boards. I think those are not doing any harm at all, as long as you have the altcoin section on ignore you will never know that they exist, so I actually have nothing against them at all.

That's where we disagree. I am not a big fan of them. The harm they do is in the hundreds of spam bounty reports they post. But since theymos can stop that whenever he wants to by making it against the rules to post bounty reports on the forum, he obviously doesn't consider it a problem. That spam equals activity and traffic. So if he is fine with it, so am I. I still find automated-like members annoying and don't like them. 

The most troublesome are the ones that enter bounties that are required to make posts on other boards, often in areas where they have almost no clue what they talk about since most of them are not actually dealing with bitcoin at all but most with ETH or BNB and their tokens, so they don't even know how bitcoin works.

I guess I don't come across them that often, or when I do, I don't realize they are only there because their bounty requires them to be there. But yeah, they are an annoyance as well. Although, I could argue that you can also put them on ignore the moment you notice them talking about something they know nothing about. But it's bothersome nevertheless. 

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The baffling thing is that the managers (mostly high rank members) who bring the work (bounty) received praises and merits but on the other hand, the participants (mostly low ranking members) who participates in the bounties are being regarded as a non serious members and money mongers. This is purely hypocrisy! If I may ask....

I understand your frustrations but do note that, you participating in bounty campaign won't give any merit and that's because your activities aren't contributing to the forum positively to receive merits. Now there's nothing wrong in participating in bounty but don't expect your posts to be highlighted with merits when they aren't worth it. What you're basically doing is just adding to the activity of the forum which the forum isn't against provided you aren't abusing such privilege. Now if you want to receive merits then you have to engage in real discussion where your contribution could be seen as helpful to others.

The managers you see with lots of merits didn't get that from launching bounties instead they got it from participating in on other forum activities so don't feel that they're been given a special treatment. If you noticed, if any of those managers misbehave they get punished. Without the trust worthy managers handling bounties today, the industry could have collapse due to scammers running away with rewards meant for hunters as we have seen in the past so those managers are needed to help purifier the section of the forum. When theymos (the forum) sees that there's no need for the section again, it'll be scrapped off the forum with just a click of a button and that decision will be respected by all.

[julerz12]

Although I am not a bounty hunter and I don't think I will be one at least for now but a thorough observation reveals to me that bounty hunters and those who post in altcoins are being considered as unserious fellows.

Sure, many bounty hunters are hated but that's mainly because of how most of those users spend all their time in this forum.
Log in, check bounty campaigns, post bounty reports, and log out. Some of these users don't even bother to go out of the bounty section and post meaningful discussions; most just stay on the bounty section and spam PoAs and a tantamount of weekly reports.

Some time ago, I think around 2021, I required all the bounty campaign participants under my management to submit their weekly reports on google forms, basically removing those weekly reports from being plastered all over the bounty section and even made a personal blacklist of those who cheated on bounty campaigns; but, despite all those measures, there are still plenty of bounty hunters who do not comply and still blindly posts their weekly reports on bounty threads and cheating in any means they can (plagiarism, enrolling multiple accounts, etc.).
If I had a dime for every weekly report I deleted on the bounty threads under my management, I'd be rich by now.

Why is the altcoins board and bounty section created in the first place if those who participate in it are look down upon?

What most of the bounty hunters did after the bounty section was implemented was the root cause of that hate. If you want that to be gone, then advocate for the bounty hunters to change their ways and habits when they are in this forum.

What will happen if all or majority of the bounty participants stop participating? How do you all expect the managers to survive without having those to participate in the work they bring? A reputable manager Julerz12 just confessed that he has no side work aside managing a campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61569155#msg61569155). How do you expect the likes of him to cope with daily living if hunters decide not to participate in bounty again?

I sent you a dm to remove my name here and not make me a bland example of how you wanted to discuss things in this thread but I guess you just don't care.
So, here's a bland answer for this too: We move on and find ways.
Do you really think a father like me would let my family starve just because there's no more bounty campaign? Well, thanks for judging and underestimating me.

Do you think project teams will keep on paying managers without seeing impact of promotion?

No; and this has already happened way before you even registered in this forum. Project teams asses and don't just blindly spend their precious funds on a promotional strategy that has no good results.

How can people be aware of new and upcoming projects without bounties?

The Crypto-space no longer revolves around this forums. Ever heard of social media platforms?

Unless the above questions are answered honestly and without bias then I don't think it is even necessary to look down on them.

People have their own views on everything and unless you make an effort to change those views, nothing will change.

I think we have two options here.
Firstly, If the forum doesn't like their activities, I think it would make sense to remove the entire bounty section so we all can focus on improving the forum as we claim to preach and overlook the repercussion it will cause to those affected and secondly, if the forum can not remove the section then it is necessary to tolerate their actions and allow the managers to deal with spammers. Unless it is technical, I don't see how ordinary and normal discussions improve the forum as we claim.

This just shows how new you are in this forum. Visit the Meta section, this has been discussed a thousand times already (exaggerating *).

We choose not to participate in bounties but they choose to. Let respect their choice.

Respect goes both ways, you should respect other people's opinions and views too, and rather than calling them hypocrites, you should have asked the reasons behind their views first.

I stand to be corrected anyway if my submission is not accurate.

A lot of inaccurate statements in your post, one of those is dragging my name here and nailing me on a board as an example. Thanks a lot.

[Volgastallion]

I cant believe what im reading...

Man, you are a snowflake or something?. How you can come here and say the word "discrimination" in a forum who everybody can come and post and "work" asides of being a newbie?

The 95% of bounty hunters users are persons who only look to make some "easy" money and they doont give nothing intereseting to the forum, only spam.

About the manager man.... they bring the job to all the bountys... and if you look closely they are two types of manager, somes only do bounti related things and other only do signatures things. Only a few make the two things.

And  the managers are users who dont post shit they also make threads or post in other sections what are usefull.

So basically you are comparing a user who post regular content and good with other what only do its put a template with his wallet adress and spam some shitcoin.
But i dont know how you managed to create a discrimination in your head.

And yes in society are hierarchy, no matter if you like or not that.

[KingsDen]

I don't have problems with bounty hunders. They may not be a problem to this forum if all they do is to copy and paste links of their bounty activities.
But in real sense, this is not what bounty hunters do. Most times these hunters spam the forum because they do not have idea of what is happening.
Also these hunters are cheaters and account farmers. I think I have seen where more than 10 accounts belonging to one person and they also try to enroll all their accounts in one campaign which is very bad.
As for altcoins, I don't think they recieve any kind of discrimination according to you.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

The forum does not create any discrimination against any bounty hunters except for most of them which never ready to adhere strictly to the forum rules and regulations, bean a bounty hunter only signifies that you're most interested on altcoins abd there's nothing bad about it, this is why they all have a different segment for their bounty discussion threads, the reason why most of them were found in this category of cheating and going against the rules iss because they were mostly newbies and don't know much about the forum, bitcoin and crypto at large.

[Razmirraz]

Your question is very reasonable, bounty hunters are not considered serious because most of them post only to pursue weekly targets to qualify for payment. This forum has rules that must be obeyed. Actually they are not discriminated against, most (bounty hunters) post more that are labeled spammers because they have left the level that cannot be passed.

You can post anything here, but be prepared with all the consequences. Discrimination against bounty hunters because they just ride here to earn some money by making useless posts. If you want to be part of the people who are seen as influential, try to make a good contribution to the forum.

[skarais]

Your question is very reasonable, bounty hunters are not considered serious because most of them post only to pursue weekly targets to qualify for payment. This forum has rules that must be obeyed. Actually they are not discriminated against, most (bounty hunters) post more that are labeled spammers because they have left the level that cannot be passed.

You can post anything here, but be prepared with all the consequences. Discrimination against bounty hunters because they just ride here to earn some money by making useless posts. If you want to be part of the people who are seen as influential, try to make a good contribution to the forum.

It should be good for self-introspection on what happened.
That discriminatory feeling is just a feeling of his inability to recognize the problem and fix it, and if he is able then nothing should really be discriminatory. Forum not a prison for the anyone, it means there are plenty of users willing to help them learn if they really really want to.

There is a great quote worth considering as a guide, it should definitely be useful to anyone looking to improve the quality of their posts. They can learn it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0

Helpful suggestions:

• Firstly, just put some actual thought into your posts. Actually read the thread and the replies already posted. Often-times people will just read the title of the thread and post without fully understanding the topic or issue and make either irrelevant posts or say the same thing that has been said numerous times before.

• If somebody asks a specific question and it gets answered adequately within the first post or two nobody needs to read another ten replies saying the same thing just reworded slightly. If you cannot offer any additional info or clarify/correct something then you probably don't need to post it.

• If you struggle with English it's probably best to try stick to your Local boards. Your English does not need to be anywhere near perfect and you will not be penalised for this but if people generally can't understand what you're saying then it will likely be considered unsubstantial or spam.

• Short replies are not always bad and long ones are not always good. Sometimes all that is required is a simple one word yes or no response, but stretching out an answer just to appear constructive usually has the opposite effect.

[Broadanbig]

Bounty Hunters are just members like us.  In as much as we should not descriminate amongst us, we should not look down on them, most of the bounty Hunters you see here are just hustlers, some are bread winner in their various houses and are making sure they are up to date with their activities so they could earn money for survival and also to cater for their needs and the needs of their families.  So therefore, you should do away with the mentality  of descriminatng  as well as segregation

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Bounty Hunters are just members like us.  In as much as we should not descriminate amongst us, we should not look down on them

If the forum itself never look down on them, who are we to do so, as long as there's a board where they were all allowed to post in other to avoid spam and the more technical reason why they were being distinguished from other boards concerning bitcoin discussion, they have a high numbers of spammers no doubt and almost every newbies there will always be very eager in joining a bounty campaign hunt which you can't do that when participating in a signature campaign

most of the bounty Hunters you see here are just hustlers, some are bread winner in their various houses and are making sure they are up to date with their activities so they could earn money for survival and also to cater for their needs and the needs of their families.

No one us against their ambition or purpose to get some better opportunities out of the forum, but always remember that some of them were actually serious while alot of them aren't than constituting nuisance, that spamming and trolling is what the forum go against and that's what's been common with them, they should learn how to create value first and learn in other to have something they could deliver to the forum first.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

People who take part are certainly not discriminated against across the board, in my opinion.

Discriminated against, probably not.  But bounty hunters have had a bad reputation for as long as I can remember, and I was probably a member when the first bounty was started (and I don't know when that was).  I'd also add that the negative rep was earned for at least two different things: shitposting up a storm and cheating by enrolling alt accounts in the same bounty.  Plagiarism among bounty hunters is or was a big issue, though that could be lumped in with the shitposting.

The baffling thing is that the managers (mostly high rank members) who bring the work (bounty) received praises and merits but on the other hand, the participants (mostly low ranking members) who participates in the bounties are being regarded as a non serious members and money mongers. This is purely hypocrisy!

You weren't born yesterday by any chance, were you?  Whatever praise and other shit the managers get, I've found that it's a good rule of thumb that most newly-registered bounty hunters are either alt accounts or are on a path that will only lead to them showering bitcointalk with their projectile diarrhea, and when you see enough of their nonsense posts you begin to realize that it affects the flow of reading for everyone and decreases the quality of the forum significantly.

TL;DR: Ain't got no sympathy for bounty hunters as a rule unless they've proven themselves NOT to be scumbags.

[Hispo]

The baffling thing is that the managers (mostly high rank members) who bring the work (bounty) received praises and merits but on the other hand, the participants (mostly low ranking members) who participates in the bounties are being regarded as a non serious members and money mongers. This is purely hypocrisy!

You should keep in mind that managers themselves in order to perform their job need to have a very good reputation, that reputation of theirs (most of the cases) is got through months or years of participation on other board where they receive merits and praise for being constructive members of this community. Not only that, they also must be trustworthy enough to manage thousands of dollars in both Bitcoin and altcoins responsibly.

There is a huge difference, don't you think?

[CoinEraser]

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Yes, Bounty Hunter certainly have a bad reputation. Especially those who participate in altcoin campaigns, cheat and spread shitpost. I don't want to deny that. But being discriminated against sounds very hard to me and I don't think it's discrimination here in the forum. If you were to discriminate against people per se, that would certainly have very different consequences. But as you say, they do have a bad reputation, but that's the fault of the bounty hunters themselves. This will certainly not change in the future. 

Maybe I just perceive discrimination as something different than what is happening here in the forum. Discrimination is always an issue in germany and you can see the consequences again and again. But they are very different from the ones here in the forum.

[Merit.s]

Although I am not a bounty hunter and I don't think I will be one at least for now but a thorough observation reveals to me that bounty hunters and those who post in altcoins are being considered as unserious fellows.

Imagine you are in a college,which the purpose of building the school is to impact quality education on the students. Some set of boys, only go to school but they don't go into their classroom for studies. All they do is run errands for their teachers outside the school premises, just for them to get a candy. They will never be satisfied with one candy,so they will look for more teachers that they can run errand for,in order to get more candies.

If the family and friends of these students finds out that,they don't learn in school,they are always outside moving about,they wouldn't be happy with them. These students are also bringing bad reputation to their school. This is exactly who these bounty hunters are,they are chasing shadows instead of knowledge. Their contributions in  discussions the forum will broaden their knowledge,and will also teach someone, but instead they prefer to act like low lives,when they can get learn and become a miner,a trader or an investor in bitcoin. Bounty hunters need to wake up and see that they doing more harm to themselves or are they scared of learning.
Nobody is discriminating bounty hunters but they are the ones that brought discrimination to themselves by the choice they made,It is free world

[digaran]

Imagine you are in a college,which the purpose of building the school is to impact quality education on the students. Some set of boys, only go to school but they don't go into their classroom for studies. All they do is run errands for their teachers outside the school premises, just for them to get a candy. They will never be satisfied with one candy,so they will look for more teachers that they can run errand for,in order to get more candies.

If the family and friends of these students finds out that,they don't learn in school,they are always outside moving about,they wouldn't be happy with them. These students are also bringing bad reputation to their school. This is exactly who these bounty hunters are.

I'd like to know your country of origin, by the looks of it they are abusing the educational system by using kids to run errands in exchange of some candies. Go call your parents kid, I need to have a talk with them.

Your username though.lol

[Mpamaegbu]

I stand to be corrected anyway if my submission is not accurate.

You raised quite a number of interesting issues there. Some of which I've observed myself. On the restriction posting in the Altcoin board, I think it may not be solely a decision taken solely by the managers but in conjunction with projects they're promoting. It's a case of he who pays the piper calls the tune. I like your decision not to get into bounties. Trust me, most of the projects there are a waste of time. It's a regular occurrence there for hunters to get cheated out of their rewards, either by managers or the projects being promoted. Besides, token rewards are often worthless after payment as most of them don't eventually get listed on exchanges. The discrimination thing you talked about in respect to posting is because no one likes reading spam posts. I don't like it too. So, if I know or believe a particular section of this forum is highly dominated with spam posts; why would I want to visit it then?