How to deal with shitcoiners without being harsh about reality.

[wheelz1200]

YES I WANT TO CONVINCE MY FRIENDS NOT TO GET SCAMMED
WHAT ABOUT THAT IS WRONG?

Your issue is flawed and there is no real answer.  Most people who dive neck deep into altcoins are doing so out of greed.  Looking to hit lightning.  It's like telling people not to play the lottery or gamble on slots.  All losing propositions but rarely do we get involved with their want to gamble on these things.  Ypu can tell them historically but it won't mean much.  If someone told you the odds of winning slots at casinos logic would tell you to stop but greed gets in the way of that.  Same here.  Enjoy the fact you understand the value of just holding bitcoin and move along.

[lixer]

Dealing with such people requires a thorough patience. If you are up to that challenge, sometimes it is helpful if you adjust your thought to how their mode of thinking, by doing that, one might address how could they end up with some conclusion. If by any chance their thoughts have many logical inconsistencies and wrong comprehension of something, you can correct or inform them.

But, of course, it is not as simple as that. What I usually do is, beforehand, we should ask about their preference of how to learn and comprehend a piece of information, for example, by asking a question like, what proof or evidence makes someone able to comprehend things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's not. The point is, if it is worth to achieve, constantly readjusting how they behave might help.

Dealing with them is only a waste of time. Why can't we just focus on our own and then let's only spread the word about Bitcoin and other legit projects? This is the only way that we can help about those newbies so that they won't go in the wrong path. If you deal with shitcoiner, they will only like it and they will try to piss your more but if we ignore them, that's the time they can feel annoyance because they think that their efforts of giving a distraction is going into a waste.

There is no need to ask about their preference because it's already clear that their preference is different from us. They choose to be bad than to be good but good luck if you attempt to change them.

[vv181]

Dealing with such people requires a thorough patience. If you are up to that challenge, sometimes it is helpful if you adjust your thought to how their mode of thinking, by doing that, one might address how could they end up with some conclusion. If by any chance their thoughts have many logical inconsistencies and wrong comprehension of something, you can correct or inform them.

But, of course, it is not as simple as that. What I usually do is, beforehand, we should ask about their preference of how to learn and comprehend a piece of information, for example, by asking a question like, what proof or evidence makes someone able to comprehend things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's not. The point is, if it is worth to achieve, constantly readjusting how they behave might help.

Dealing with them is only a waste of time. Why can't we just focus on our own and then let's only spread the word about Bitcoin and other legit projects? This is the only way that we can help about those newbies so that they won't go in the wrong path. If you deal with shitcoiner, they will only like it and they will try to piss your more but if we ignore them, that's the time they can feel annoyance because they think that their efforts of giving a distraction is going into a waste.

There is no need to ask about their preference because it's already clear that their preference is different from us. They choose to be bad than to be good but good luck if you attempt to change them.

Let them be. The context is If OP or someone genuinely wants to influence people with that kind of behaviour, then simply let them try. What I'm trying to say is we can't blindly force how we explain things to them without understanding their minds or way of thinking. Thus we can adjust how to explain things.

The problem with your idea is that just because people only spread about useful projects does not mean a worthless project wouldn't be heard. One example of the realities is people believe influencer who doesn't understand a thing which promotes a scam or worthless project.

[Jackl87]

[context: I started out WAY too open minded about crypto shitcoins and now I feel like I am trapped in shitcoin hell and everyone around me is also]

I don't really need that you need to make sure that you also save your friends from "shitcoin hell". You can tell them your opinion about it and if they are still insisting to ape into almost every shitcoin launch after that then there is nothing you can do because it's their own decision and their own money that they will lose. In general i have to say that i agree with you, that all those meme-coins are just shitcoins that were created by people that just wanted to make quick money without any effort. Of course i acknowledge that quite a few people became very rich because they invested very early in Shiba Inu, but that time is over. I think the long term trend for Shiba Inu is downwards and all those new meme-coins that are still appearing every day are all dead again within a few weeks at max.

[shinratensei_]

with shitcoin addiction you just couldn't help them unless the experience first hand the massive lost that they gonna eventually get.
but alas there's always chance that through your advice they would have some consciousness, but then again if their greediness is what motivates them in the first place then there's big chance that they would eventually flock back again to the shitcoins.
the worst thing about investing in shitcoin is that you have less than 80% chance of making your investments back, it's all full of manipulation and you exists in the market just to become food for the whales, you'd think you're smarter than the other and could somehow trick the market and comes out unscathed with massive roi but that's actually is what the whales planned all a long giving illusion such as chance of turning around your investments usually.

[Yatsan]

To spoil their high expectations with reality. Indeed poop coins are profitable or I'd say highly profitable especially if you'd be able to pick the right coin but is not, it would be the other way around. Poop coins are having a too volatile market value wherein things do change in an instant which makes it risky in comparison with other cryptocurrencies in this industry. So if you can manage dealing with such market price behavior of an asset, then that would be good of course. But if not be prepared of the possibility for huge losses to occur. That is just how simple such concept works.

[yazher]

We know how much dangerous it is to invest in such kinds of coins and that's why we quickly prevent even if not our friends or relatives when we know they engage in it. Still, we need to understand that we are only a clear warner and we cannot do anything about it if they will going to still pursue their goals of investing in some shitcoins. Most people will learn their lessons after they suffered it personally or when they finally learn the truth about it and lost their investment in such a decisive way. in that case, if you really want to help, consider doing something different approach rather than directly telling them about it.

[kotajikikox]

[context: I started out WAY too open minded about crypto shitcoins and now I feel like I am trapped in shitcoin hell and everyone around me is also]

Yes you are, and if you think that we will blame you for that? no I will not because I find your greediness in the beginning of your investing in crypto ., instead of trusting bitcoin first yet you deal with Shitcoin and it is understandable as now you already knew what to do and use that a Lesson to "ONLY TRUST BITCOIN" when talking about security in crypto investing.

I am in a difficult position. I feel more or less mentally scammed by tons of shitcoin producers in the space, there are some that are just putrid garbage like ICP which I was stupid enough to buy at one point.

You must not feel mentally scammed because you are completely Scammed mate, yes scammed by your desire to earn Big in easy way.

But it is still not too late, now that we are approaching Halving and Bullrun is in the air? try to invest now in Bitcoin and trust me , there is a future on that.

[DapanasFruit]

One of the many things I realized in relation to cryptocurrency market is that this industry has now become a big paradise for scammers, hackers, fraudsters and those in between. We are always attracted to the idea of a coin or a token that will go x10 and even x100 so that we can experience financial freedom at the least cost. - unfortunately there are many risks involved here as we can also lost everything. I am always sorry for people who had been victimized by the promises and plans laid out by many shitcoins, only to realize one day that they are really living well with their names and that is being shit!

[Blitzboy]

Your observations reflect cryptocurrency investing's wild west. Its an environment where predators often pose as prey, with high peaks of possible gains and dangerous depths of loss.

While your buddies cling to their "shitcoins" hoping for a miracle, you've survived the storm and found your beacon in Bitcoin. Isnt that the ultimate irony - decrying Bitcoin's worth while supporting coins that depend on its pioneering innovation?

To "nicely" convince someone they're delusional, try a casual, non-confrontational conversation. Explain your position, offer proof, and let them decide. You'll give them something to think about.

[bbcolex]

 it's essential to be upfront and honest. Educate them about the risks and drawbacks associated with 'shitcoins.' Show them the facts and encourage them to do thorough research. Sometimes, a dose of reality can be eye-opening.

[avp2306]

Just tell them straight facts if they cannot accept it and feel bad on what information you shared to them at least you try to warn them. But if they continue even you already share your thoughts and stated your concern then let them continue and they should see for theirselves that you are right then they messed up for the wrong investment decision they do and for sure next time they would be more careful on their decision making on investing on new alts they want to invest.

[iv4n]

This pretty much sounds like "how to deal with people and things I don't like anymore"... Well, the harsh reality is some people change and some don't, some people accept changes some fight against them, some people grow up, and some don't. That's growing up, we learn as long as we live... if we are smart, we question our actions, and we think about how to be better... Simply said we either make progress and we advance, or we are sinking.

So how to deal with this? Well, as some other people said with honesty! Share your honest thinking, provide arguments, and if someone accepts it's good... if not just move on.

I am not a religious person, but this explains a lot:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference

[yhiaali3]

I myself have come to an absolute conviction from my personal experience that all altcoin (not just shitcoins.) is just worthless rubbish, the only real value is in bitcoin.

So I decided to get rid of all the shitcoins and started my long-term Bitcoin DCA strategy.

[Apocollapse]

You seems to be not happy, the key of happy life is avoid to talk with people who will drain your energy. So if you don't like about people talking about shitcoins in this forum, you can click ignore on their account. If you talk about people in real life, it's either avoid those shitcoiners or avoid to talk about cryptocurrency because their mind are thinking about shitcoins.

[justdimin]

I do not, let them learn the harsh reality themselves without us teaching them anything and if they are smart enough they will learn about it on the first try, if not then they are going to end up with a problem that will not be easy to solve and they will keep on losing until they learn. This isn't my job to teach them what to do, it is not going to end up with a good result for anyone and I think it is going to be very important to make a difference.

It is going to be something to care about, but what I do not fully understand is that if you are doing so many mistakes, then I need to get them and talk to them and make them understand the issue, I shouldn't be the one to care and I know people dislike that notion but it's the truth.

[Taskford]

I do not, let them learn the harsh reality themselves without us teaching them anything and if they are smart enough they will learn about it on the first try, if not then they are going to end up with a problem that will not be easy to solve and they will keep on losing until they learn. This isn't my job to teach them what to do, it is not going to end up with a good result for anyone and I think it is going to be very important to make a difference.

It is going to be something to care about, but what I do not fully understand is that if you are doing so many mistakes, then I need to get them and talk to them and make them understand the issue, I shouldn't be the one to care and I know people dislike that notion but it's the truth.

Yeah its better for them to learn the harsh reality of crypto since if we disturb them while they are so committed on the shitcoin they are investing maybe they will just ignore us and worst they might think that we are stopping them to get rich. This is how newbie think and they always  think that those people invite them are trusted also the group they belong even if we know that they are scam are honest for them.
So better they realize that this is not how crypto supposed to be and research is always important to learn about what is good to invest and not for them.

[Marykeller]

Can we have more confidence though? lets be constructive about this dillema. Shitcoiners succeed in pushing people to buy their shit, there is no reason we cannot do a better job with a legitimate currency.

The problem you and all of us which at some point tried to discourage someone else from investing in a scam in any market is that those scammers can lie all they want while we only have the truth.

And the truth can be very bitter while lies can be very sweet, and we see examples of this all the time on even more important scenarios, like those which are diagnosed with a terminal disease and they are willing to believe that a scammer can cure them, those which join cults and so on, so it speaks nicely of you that you are trying to help your friends but you need to prepare yourself for the very real possibility they are not going to listen to you.

Am I being delusional for thinking I can change their mind in an actionable way?

I don't think you are. You are just doing what good friends do for their friends when they see them going down the wrong lane of investment on altcoins. Since your friends are adamant about not taking the right step to invest in bitcoin other than shitcoin as you put it, allow them to be because it's their money and choice of investment. You can't force someone to invest in what he or she doesn't regard as a valuable asset. It is after the race that we would know which crypto investment comes out at the top as the most valuable or recognize asset. Whether it is their shitcoin kind of investment or our bitcoin investment.

[o48o]

I don't know exactly how to NICELY tell my friends they are being delusional. How can I do this?

Breath. I am not sure why are you grouping all altcoins as shitcoins. That's going to be hard pill to sell for anyone paying attention. It sounds like you have gone from deep end to another deep end with extreme views. Focus on the coins that you can prove to be scams and stop grouping them all as one. It's extremely hostile attitude to diss all altcoins and it makes you sound like you didn't do any research. So i am not sure who is delusional in this story.

Only thing you can do is accept and own your mistakes. Inform your friends about the scams by offering proof. After that let them make their own mistakes.

[Xal0lex]

I do not, let them learn the harsh reality themselves without us teaching them anything and if they are smart enough they will learn about it on the first try, if not then they are going to end up with a problem that will not be easy to solve and they will keep on losing until they learn. This isn't my job to teach them what to do, it is not going to end up with a good result for anyone and I think it is going to be very important to make a difference.

It is going to be something to care about, but what I do not fully understand is that if you are doing so many mistakes, then I need to get them and talk to them and make them understand the issue, I shouldn't be the one to care and I know people dislike that notion but it's the truth.

The best and most effective learning comes only after your own failures and financial losses. I have repeatedly noticed that if a person is given a lot of different matrials on the topic of investing in altcoins and their dangers, he will still make these mistakes, naively believing that this will not happen to him. People tend to think that they are smarter and luckier than others, so at the beginning of their trading or investment path they always lose money, even if they have been warned a thousand times not to do so. Hence the conclusion that shitcoiners can learn only from themselves, they do not perceive the rest of the information.