Can we have a true discussion without the sig tail wailing?

[krishnapramod]

Guess the title says it, can we have a true talk without it for the sake of it about Bitcoin? Not like you're paid to say something.

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[mk4]

Like it or not, signature campaigns is what keeps Bitcointalk afloat in terms of traffic and activity.

If you personally think that post quality is bad because of signatures, you can start a self-moderated thread and simply delete the replies that you deem useless/spammy. Alternatively, probably try the Serious Discussion[1] section(though it's a general discussion section, not necessarily a Bitcoin one).

You can also help contribute concerning post quality by reporting posts that you deem useless/spammy.


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=250.0

[Macadonian]

Post in serious discussion where signatures are not displayed? Some people do that because they are annoyed of the signature spam. You could make a local rule where you stop people with advertising signatures from posting in the topic and then report them when they do. Those are your solutions but if you expect signature campaign participants to not spam everywhere I think you might be expecting too much from them....

[DaveF]

And if you do not want to see them you can set it in your profile under look and layout not to show signatures.

But in the end signatures / tag lines / ads have been on forums forever. Some are more like here where people can pick and choose and apply, others places they are sold through the forum itself.

Not a bit deal IMO.

-Dave

[digaran]

Sure, come on over and visit us at ivory tower: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=251.0  though you'd be forced to jump over the tower out of boredom.🤣 I will talk to you forever, just come on over, I have a cat who plays football.😉

[Z-tight]

Signatures do not affect the discussions about BTC and other things on the forum, as far as i have personally noticed, most of the best posters are on signature campaigns, and i learn a lot about BTC from them, why would i mind if they wear a signature or an avatar, i only care about what they post on the forum. People who don't like sig or avatars have them already disabled in their profile, and if you see spam posts report them to the moderators.

[Zilon]

If signature campaigns don't exist then it will be hard getting the whole community engaged and traffic on the site will as well reduce. Report to moderator button is open 24/7 to report suspected spamming, In as much as signature campaigns are gateways to unavoidable spam, it cannot be done without especially when the forum in question deals with an asset that has no physical representation.

[logfiles]

Guess the title says it, can we have a true talk without it for the sake of it about Bitcoin? Not like you're paid to say something.

And what is wrong with members wearing signatures of services that promote Bitcoin?

You do realize that there are so many bitcoin services that have launched and thrived due to adverts and exposure in this forum, right?
Aren't you the same people who keep yearning for Bitcoin adoption?

It's a free world here, If by any chance you don't like Bitcoin paying signature campaigns in the posts and replies, then create a telegram group or discord server where you can discuss without any sigs  

[Plaguedeath]

Honestly I don't want to be dick, but you're also have an intention to join a signature campaign, just saying.

Username: krishnapramod
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I will wear the signature if accepted. Thank you.

If you was accepted at that time and the campaign manager doesn't kick you until now, I believe this thread won't exist and you will be very proud since you've joined one of the most high paying signature campaign in this forum.

I think this is what the true discussion is, users who joining a signature campaign need to post on topic and maintain their quality, otherwise people will report their posts or get kicked by the campaign manager.

[calonpa]

OP if you agree to what you are saying, why have you applied in a signature campaign in past.

Is it the rejection by campaign manager that caused change of heart and now you hate signature campaigns ?

[noorman0]

It's hard to say for sure what people are thinking, but not nearly everything that campaigners spew out on forums is at least as much brand mention as their attributes.
The problem is not with the forum settings, more precisely you are judging too much from a revenue perspective regardless of the point of the discussion.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If you think about why the OP is annoyed by the responses of people from subscription companies, it comes to mind that he is talking about subscription spam. That is, in his opinion, about low-quality posts. But I looked at the merit count, which usually reflects the quality of the posts the OP writes.
I was surprised that he received all 50 of his merits in 2018. It is worth considering what a person wants, whose reputation is not entirely clean. I would advise the OP to start with himself if he is talking about forum changes.

[UserU]

And if you do not want to see them you can set it in your profile under look and layout not to show signatures.

But in the end signatures / tag lines / ads have been on forums forever. Some are more like here where people can pick and choose and apply, others places they are sold through the forum itself.

Not a bit deal IMO.

-Dave

What he meant likely is that he doesn't want to see replies that are made just for the sake of posting, even with the signatures disabled.

Unfortunately not gonna happen because capitalism, unless he just sticks to sites like Reddit.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Guess the title says it, can we have a true talk without it for the sake of it about Bitcoin? Not like you're paid to say something.

Also you're not being specific here, are you saying one should post here without wearing a signature campaign code or thise that should post under the thread should be those not participating on a signature campaign, you need to get this right that making post here on the forum has it own advantages alot either being a signature campaign participants or not because we offer something that is appealing to read, learn and got informed about, not everyone posting were under a signature campaign, if you post and it's off topic the moderators delete the post, so there's no hidden agenda that people post because of their signature campaign and if it happens that way, it's part of their own benefit they gain by contributing heavily to the bitcointalk community, joining a campaign is a choice and not by force.

[Igebotz]

If you think about why the OP is annoyed by the responses of people from subscription companies, it comes to mind that he is talking about subscription spam. That is, in his opinion, about low-quality posts. But I looked at the merit count, which usually reflects the quality of the posts the OP writes.
I was surprised that he received all 50 of his merits in 2018. It is worth considering what a person wants, whose reputation is not entirely clean. I would advise the OP to start with himself if he is talking about forum changes.

Spot on! Op, you don't have the right to talk about spammy/serious discussions when you're one of the users who needs such advise. Op has no good intentions; he was disappointed that he wasn't accepted into the signatures campaign he applied for, therefore he's now promoting the anti-signature campaign agenda.

The earnings from signatures are minimal compared to what the forum gets from the enormous traffic we bring to the site on a regular basis. At the end of the day, it's a business. If you believe that the sig has no beneficial effect on the forum, you are mistaken.

[AverageGlabella]

And if you do not want to see them you can set it in your profile under look and layout not to show signatures.

But in the end signatures / tag lines / ads have been on forums forever. Some are more like here where people can pick and choose and apply, others places they are sold through the forum itself.

Not a bit deal IMO.

-Dave

What he meant likely is that he doesn't want to see replies that are made just for the sake of posting, even with the signatures disabled.

Unfortunately not gonna happen because capitalism, unless he just sticks to sites like Reddit.

Reddit does not have any better quality discussions and there is no incentive to post there except for collecting karma but collecting karma is enough for people to post things that they know will get them karma instead of real discussions so I think it is a problem of culture and not a problem limited to the forum.

Signature campaigns keep this forum alive as much as we might not like to admit to it doing that but it creates activity and we are very low on activity atm if people were not getting paid and not earning btc then btc would probably be less used to because a lot of signature campaign participants cannot offer their services for payment in btc but can offer advertising services by posting good posts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Guess the title says it, can we have a true talk without it for the sake of it about Bitcoin? Not like you're paid to say something.

Just about bitcoin?  Are you referring to any sections in particular?  You've been here longer me and it was so much worse prior to the merit system, and you're just now complaining about sig campaigns?

Signatures do not affect the discussions about BTC and other things on the forum, as far as i have personally noticed, most of the best posters are on signature campaigns<snip>

The latter point is absolutely true, but I very much disagree with the former one.  I think if campaigns and bounties were banned, and if there wasn't a monetary incentive to post here, sections like Bitcoin Discussion and a few others would have a lot higher signal:noise.  The shitposters wearing adverts in their signature space greatly outnumber those excellent contributors you referenced, I'm afraid.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Guess the title says it, can we have a true talk without it for the sake of it about Bitcoin? Not like you're paid to say something.

I still will but may be I will not have an urge to make a minimum of 25 posts. But when I will lose my interest then I will not even bother the make a single post, the same why applies when I am interested and having fun in a certain topic I will not remember how many post requirement I have.

There used to be a time when I was making over 100 posts a week without even having a signature but there were also time, I am in a signature I have a minimum weekly requirement but I have not made a single post for several months.

At the end for me my own terms matter.

[Woodie]

Having a true discussion without the incentives that come from the signature is not a problem...

but the real issue that the forum will face to succeed is the lack of retention of users to the forum to keep these conversations going if sigs didn't exist!

By the way, If we compared BCT forum to other successful forums , there is always something that keeps users coming back for more ranging from freebies,

to the financial gain & list goes on... if nothing of this nature exists expect the place to be a white elephant and it's only the sad reality.

Besides, the sigs are not a bad development, the business gets the needed brand exposure, and users on the forum get their token of appreciation, win-win.

[LTU_btc]

Shortly, no, we can't. Signature campaigns is significant part of Bitcointalk forum and it seems that theymos don't have intentions to remove it. I fully understand your concerns that with sig campaigns discussions often isn't real, people post just to get paid. It brings many spammers here, but at the same time it gives motivatiin for smartest people here to be more active - you probably noticed that most of best posters here wearing paid signatures. You been here for long, and you should remember that before merit system situation here was much worse, or I would say terrible. Now it's much better, though still far from perfect. And it can't be perfect when people have initiative to get paid for for posting.
If you can't stand these paid signatures, you always can look for alternative platforms, but I doubt that you will find something better.

Post in serious discussion where signatures are not displayed? Some people do that because they are annoyed of the signature spam. You could make a local rule where you stop people with advertising signatures from posting in the topic and then report them when they do.

Serious discussion is great place, but there isn't much activity. In past there was more action.
And there is no need to make local rules, better just make self-moderated topics. Spammers just fear to post there.

Honestly I don't want to be dick, but you're also have an intention to join a signature campaign, just saying.

Username: krishnapramod
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Nice catch.