Why not force bounties off site?

[Macadonian]

I think bounties are the biggest problem the forum faces and we are not doing enough about it. Look at this topic by thebeardedbaby: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440036.0

It shows 1 member that has over 5000 posts in the bounty board and they have not contributed outside of that. That is 1 example but I bet there are 1000s of members abusing the forum because they are not just abusing the bounties they are abusing the forums. They are signing up here with the sole goal of earning but they do not do it honestly in that topic the member was found to have been abusing the bounties with multiple alt accounts and I bet the 1000s of other members who are doing the same are abusing it with multiple accounts.

The forum activity is much lower then it appears because we have members like this with who knows how many alt accounts abusing bounties probably with auto posting scripts. I propose we put restriction on the bounty board and only allow discussion of the bounty and no proof of authentication posts. If we do this the spam disappears over night. 


At the moment we are allowing proof of authentication posts which offer no value to the forum and is legal spam. It goes against every other rule that the forum has. We want quality discussion and we try to do that with every other rule but the bounty board is given a special privilege and we allow very low quality members get away with it.

Can we please stop this?

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[Beparanf]

Actually what’s the problem with that account? It’s not spamming on different thread and his post is mainly on bounty thread. I don’t see the point on discriminating them if they are not spamming on other boards.

The account statistics only shows that the user is not interested on ranking up. There’s a much shitty board that is still a active.

[Charles-Tim]

I saw the thread and I see no reason to bring up such thread and I did not comment, the bounty hunter is on different platform for his work, not this forum. He is only using this forum to get the work and also to post the links of what he has done on another platform. It is entirely different from someone that is a shit poster or spammer.

[Macadonian]

I saw the thread and I see no reason to bring up such thread and I did not comment, the bounty hunter is on different platform for his work, not this forum. He is only using this forum to get the work and also to post the links of what he has done on another platform. It is entirely different from someone that is posting shit contents and also spamming.

how is posting identical information across 100s of topics not spamming? If any one did that in other areas of the forum they would have been banned. It is the lowest quality posting you can do. As I said most are using auto reply scripts because their posts are seconds from each other.

Actually what’s the problem with that account? It’s not spamming on different thread and his post is mainly on bounty thread. I don’t see the point on discriminating them if they are not spamming on other boards.

The account statistics only shows that the user is not interested on ranking up. There’s a much shitty board that is still a active.

What happens when other Bitcoin services start requiring proof like the bounty board? Are we going to allow that? Proof of authentication posts make no sense it is a way of generating replies and making their project look more popular because they can verify that someone has shared their content through their website and it would not create spam on a 3rd party forum. We do not owe these projects any thing and they all end up in scams. We are enabling these projects to gain popularity from the lowest quality of posting that is legal and benefit from that while the forum gets nothing. There is no discussion from these members and they add no value to the forum.


100s of this:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Freelancersumon
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2577174
Telegram Username: @Freelancersumon69
Participated Campaigns:Twitter
BNB : 0xDb9704C002712D28e55694BBD31938b8B07c2182

#Proof Authentication
 BTT User Name :  Shahinbd
 BTT Profile link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2665560
 Joined Camping name : Twitter,
Telegram User name : @shahinbd82
 BNB address : 0x8F7f463ddfa7a72014AFf0435a1457df6B0d8C09

Proof of Authentication
Bitcointalk Username : NNRR
Bitcointalk Profile Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2742699
Telegram Username : @U_Tun
Campaign Participated : Twitter, Telegram

the search engine result of bitcointalk is:

Bitcoin Discussion General discussion about the Bitcoin ecosystem that doesn't fit better elsewhere. News, the Bitcoin community, innovations, the general environment, etc. Discussion of specific Bitcoin-related services usually belongs in other sections.

I see a common theme that says 'discussion' and while there might not be any mention of altcoins in that description there is a focus on discussion. Yet bounties have 200 pages of these types of posts above.

[YOSHIE]

Can we please stop this?

You can't, there are no rules to prohibit users here from participating in Bounty campaigns, that's their right as long as they comply with the rules that apply in campaigns or forums.

10,000 posts, 8,000 activities, without any Merit, that's their expertise in making a good contribution here, the Bounty board is indeed a field for token hunters, that's their right, that's why users here often mention the name 'Freedom'. Don't be surprised if you see many users who have the freedom to post authentication there.

Now you see Bounty boards are worthless, but if you go back to the 2009-2016 era, these boards are the most popular boards here and much hunted by people here, so just leave them as long as they don't break the rules.
Can't penalize users based on posts only (authentication) or they only know bounty board.

[Macadonian]

Now you see Bounty boards are worthless, but if you go back to the 2009-2016 era, these boards are the most popular boards here and much hunted by people here, so just leave them as long as they don't break the rules.
Can't penalize users based on posts only (authentication) or they only know bounty board.

They are worthless but there is no discussion about these bounties they are just there to get money and post the same thing over and over again. I included some examples above after you posted but there are many accounts that post the same exact message across 100 different bounties. How is that not spam?

[digaran]

You need to wait a few years to get to know the principles of forum administration. Many people been where you are, done what you are doing, the official answer is: "as long as they are confined to their bounty threads, let them earn if they can," whether the projects are scam or not, that depends on DT gang to enforce some common sense.

[Beparanf]

What happens when other Bitcoin services start requiring proof like the bounty board? Are we going to allow that? Proof of authentication posts make no sense it is a way of generating replies and making their project look more popular because they can verify that someone has shared their content through their website and it would not create spam on a 3rd party forum. We do not owe these projects any thing and they all end up in scams. We are enabling these projects to gain popularity from the lowest quality of posting that is legal and benefit from that while the forum gets nothing. There is no discussion from these members and they add no value to the forum.

As long as it’s posted on a single thread then it’s still not harmful in the forum. Besides that PoA is the way of bounty manager to counter those user that cheating using someone else work since there work involves other service like social media. I think it’s really useless to apply it on Bitcointalk service thread since the user post itself is enough to authenticate their work compared to bounties which involves other account outside forum

[Rikafip]

If you want to know why bounties are tolerated on the forum, you might wanna read the theymos take on the subject and why its very unlikely that they gonna be removed any time soon. Introduction of merit system stopped those spammers from ever reaching higher ranks and I think that theymos is satisfied with that.

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.

I think bounties are the biggest problem the forum faces and we are not doing enough about it.

If that's the biggest problem that means bitcointalk doesn't have serious problems at all.

[arhipova]

What is the problem with the account till he is not breaking any forum rule ? You wanted to say that most of his posts are posts in bounty section but are these spam posts ? If not, there is no need to point at it. If you find particular posts as spam posts, you can use report option.

If you want to suggest that forum should let go away the bounties part, I do not agree with that also. Bounties are kind of attraction for many users. If they are earning from it while following the forum rules, there is nothing wrong it. It is good for the forum also as the forum gets more exposure this way.

[YOSHIE]

How is that not spam?

I'm not saying it's not spam, maybe, but don't we here have options like this: , is it less effective, for the spam category.

I think the most effective idea you did, if you care about the Bounty board, you can wrap them here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.0, not all of them, only those who commit violations.

Or better yet you can bring them here: [Report] Ban Evasion [Requesting Admin/mod to check those and ban] I think it's relatively best if you want to wrap them up.

[Lucius]

The forum administration does not consider it a problem to the extent that it would ban such activity, similar to the position with signature campaigns - therefore banning both is the last option, although I think signature campaigns have a better chance of being banned than bounty. I say this for the reason that signature campaigns have exposure on the entire forum, while bounty campaigns are mostly limited to one board.

Personally, bounty campaigns are more problematic because they enable various scam projects to get a lot of visibility for a very small price, and they often don't pay anything under the pretext that the results didn't satisfy them. Therefore, I would first of all protect beginners who are exposed to what in some cases can be called digital exploitation in such a way that I would prohibit Newbie and Jr.Member ranks from participating in such campaigns at all.

In general, I agree that the administration should not encroach on the freedoms that have existed on this forum since its inception, but it should still adjust them a little.

[RapTarX]

Can we please stop this?

How are you getting disturbed by bounty hunters? They are spamming that single board only while genuine shit posters are posting garbage into a discussion and creating a mess for genuine readers. Who is more harmful to the forum? I guess you got the point.
Apart from that some bounty hunters have turned into a great asset to the forum; do you know that? There are a few people who have joined the forum to earn money through bounty & later, with dip diving into the forum, they have been converted into a passionate bitcoiner.
I guess these make enough sense why the Bounty section should not be eliminated or stopped.

[NeuroticFish]

At the moment we are allowing proof of authentication posts which offer no value to the forum and is legal spam. It goes against every other rule that the forum has. We want quality discussion and we try to do that with every other rule but the bounty board is given a special privilege and we allow very low quality members get away with it.

Can we please stop this?

You are only partly right and I don't think that your request has many chances to be successful.
Let me tell you my logic for this:

* Signature campaigns (1) are beneficial to the forum because they keep many quality posters remain interested in staying and posting here.
* The signature campaigns also have posts that can be seen 0-value: the posts of people signing up for the campaigns, the post from the campaign managers informing who got accepted or about the payments being made.
* Altcoin signature campaigns are often part of larger bounties (2) so they're .. let's say okay-ish.
* Then there are the bounties completely off this forum, with only their "ledger" being kept on-forum. These are indeed a stretch from the rest, since they're not useful like their siblings (1 and 2), but, on the other hand they're pretty similar to (2). And I think that this is what may be one of the reasons for keeping them.

Another logic may be that they're after all still crypto related services, and crypto services are okay to be discussed and handled here.

I hope it makes sense.

[_BlackStar]

They are worthless but there is no discussion about these bounties they are just there to get money and post the same thing over and over again. I included some examples above after you posted but there are many accounts that post the same exact message across 100 different bounties. How is that not spam?

Somehow I don't think it's spam, but I tend to think that they are breaking the bounty rules if you say the right thing ^{[exact same message on 100 different bounty].} I hope you know what the next steps are if you find out someone did something like that, and one thing is to tell the bounty manager and let them know about your finding. Some of them may be alt, but find complete and accurate evidence before you accuse them. If you think it's spam, then try reporting it to the moderators and see how they react to your report.

[OgNasty]

I think that advertising campaigns (bounties) are likely the main factor that keep people active here.  The little real Bitcoin activity that does occur here is likely fueled by these campaigns.  Removing them would probably cause a massive drop in user activity and all but eliminate real Bitcoin use on this site.  Sure, the forum is full of people posting who probably never even installed a Bitcoin wallet but pretend to be experts, but it is what it is.  A lack of honesty in posting here and no moderation for truth has chased a huge majority of knowledgeable users from this site and I don't think they'll be coming back to give a second chance even if things did change...  So do you want a forum full of active spammers, or a ghost town?  Those are pretty much the only remaining choices given the management of this forum.

[Husires]

I think that there were updates related to topic ranking in that board, and I do not understand why those bounty topics need to write weekly reports, and therefore the problem is with the campaign managers.

If they organize the work so that there is less need to create replies like Proof of Authentication or at least one for each topic it would be better.

other solution: Making this board like the serious discussions board, as the posts you making are not counted in the number of Activity, and therefore you will remain a newbie unless you made some posts in other boards.

[LoyceV]

If you want to know why bounties are tolerated on the forum, you might wanna read the theymos take on the subject and why its very unlikely that they gonna be removed any time soon.

I don't get why altcoin giveaways aren't allowed, and this bounty crap is. It looks like a gigantic loophole to this:

Most giveaway threads are no longer allowed in the Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. From now on, posting or replying to such threads could result in being banned. Existing threads will be locked.

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. You can't offer to pay people who post their addresses, usernames, etc. You can do giveaways off-site and link to the giveaway page in a thread, but you can't give people any bonus for replying to your thread.

How is this not a violation of theymos' rule?

#Proof of authenticatin
bitcointalk Username: ayanrumi
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2638209
Campaigns you apply: Telegram , Twitter
Bsc address: 0xF035d88A632eE4699E94c87e8742B0eF1AB956F9

Let's see what's posted:
On the first line, he can't even type the correct word.
The second line posts his username. Yes, we can see that already, and offering to pay people to post their username was specifically mentioned by theymos.
The third line posts a link to his profile. Yes, we can see that too.
Then the ones they're going to spam: Telegram and Twitter, apparently.
The last line shows an altcoin address, that's also what theymos mentioned, and by my interpretation isn't allowed.

This whole post is utterly useless. And there are millions of them!

[examplens]

I think that there were updates related to topic ranking in that board, and I do not understand why those bounty topics need to write weekly reports, and therefore the problem is with the campaign managers.

If they organize the work so that there is less need to create replies like Proof of Authentication or at least one for each topic it would be better.

exactly this.
here, in fact, there should be pressure on the bounty managers to do their job better and to influence the reduction of spam. Insisting on useless bounty reports posts, they actually stimulate further spam. and I'm almost sure that none of the managers checks every report and every link posted.
if the POA is already necessary as proof of the existence of an account on the forum, a report with trash links from SM can certainly go through a google spreadsheet or similar.

[virasog]

It shows 1 member that has over 5000 posts in the bounty board and they have not contributed outside of that.

That is a good thing in one way as he is limited to this board Bitcoin Forum > Alternate cryptocurrencies > Marketplace (Altcoins) > Bounties (Altcoins)
No matter if he does 5000 posts there or 50,000 posts there, he is not spamming the forum and the rest of the boards are clean (though there maybe still Signature campaign spammers, but this is not the subject here)
You can just ignore that board and will never have to see all those proof of authentication posts anymore.