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March 18, 2023, 02:45:06 PM
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I agree with the opinion that income tax is only suitable for government employees, income tax is indeed something that is disliked because the government is not involved with someone's income, of course this is my opinion because I also have to pay income tax and it is automatically deducted every month. It's time for the government to think about collecting income tax.
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March 18, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
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When the state creates a tax system, it faces certain difficulties.  People try to avoid having to pay taxes and fees. 

Therefore, the government follows the path of least resistance.  Legislators impose those taxes that are the easiest to collect. 

The easiest way to collect indirect taxes.  These are the taxes that are automatically paid when purchasing goods (works and services).  These taxes include VAT, excise taxes and sales tax. 

It is also very easy to collect taxes for which the obligation to withhold them from the taxpayer is assigned to the tax agent (for example, the employer).  It is to this group of taxes that the personal income tax belongs. 

Direct taxes (profit tax, property tax, etc.) are very difficult to levy.  Taxpayers try their best to avoid paying these taxes.

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March 18, 2023, 05:08:03 PM
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Tax regulations throughout the world are certainly different and in my country income tax is annoying, those who do not have large income but work are obliged to report wealth, in my opinion this is not effective and wasted time, income tax is indeed easy to apply for them Those who have large income or government employees, while private workers certainly do not need to report because they do not get facilities from the state.
High or Low income, everyone get's annoyed with it because you are being charged regularly. It's like an added expense to the ones that we already have but indeed that your country is more brutal because even the low income earners are still being asked with it but maybe their tax rates are much smaller than those who earn huge? It's not effective if people don't follow it but if it's mandatory, do you think you can avoid it? And even if you do, you will still be punished badly once you get caught.

Some of those who lived in your country or those who work privately are still lucky because you said they are not being taxed. This is not the case that is happening in other countries. There are even some who are being taxed even if they are only dealing with cryptos can you imagine that?

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April 06, 2023, 10:28:01 AM
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I understand what you mean and this usually happens in developing countries where things are not very well documented.
Either way, that farmer is commiting a crime by not paying his taxes. It's all boils down to a system. A country without a system won't know the population of its citizens that should pay taxes. In countries like this they usually have very high VAT because the government want to use other means to get what they are not getting from income taxes.

Now let's take the farmer for example, the government is actually not doing anything for his (from his point of view). He provides his own electricity, water, security and every other thing he needs to run his farm that they government should provides, so tell me, what wouldn motivate such a person to pay his taxes to the same government?

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April 06, 2023, 04:19:22 PM
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I mean this tax regulation seems uneven and it seems that people who have to pay taxes are people who deal with large amounts of money. Let's say a farmer in 1 harvest (3-4 month) earns $2000, he will remain tax free if not registered or he doesn't register it whereas an employee from the start is already registered with the taxpayer even though their monthly salary is $300. What do you think? I'm a little confused with this tax rule.

With this you could see the reason that it may be uneven and although that depends on government. Some government don't have better data of their citizens and because of that, it can't trace those who are suppose to remit tax money to government. So because they don't have such data, they are not strictly practicing tax compliance therefore some people exempt themselves. For example with what you mentioned, a farmer who does not have his or her data, farm registered with government, the government will find it difficult to locate and that is part of the reason. This is mostly the situation in third world countries. Those who pay taxes are those that are employed with the government because it is removed from source as income tax.
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April 06, 2023, 05:31:57 PM
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I think the government should also take steps to improve taxpayer compliance, such as increasing public awareness of tax regulations and simplifying the tax reporting process. This can help reduce tax evasion and increase revenue for the government, which can then be used to benefit the rest of society.

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April 06, 2023, 05:46:31 PM
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We all know that all citizens in all corners of the world must be taxpayers. Let me say about taxes in my country:
1. vehicle tax
Obliged to pay once a year, but there are also those who do not pay and the authorities also do not come to the taxpayer's house and in the end it is left abandoned
2. Land tax
Once a year the authorities will come to the taxpayer's house to collect taxes
3. Income tax
This will be my concern this time, whether all countries treat the same rules or not, I want to hear from all of you.
Income tax in my country in general will be very effective for employees of government agencies, offices and entrepreneurs. Let's say this, everyone earns whether it's from farming, freelancing, or any kind of work that isn't recorded at the tax office, if they don't report it to the tax authorities then they are exempt from tax. However, there is a provision that if someone has ever borrowed a large amount of money from a bank, even though the borrower was not notified by the taxpayer at first, in the end he was exposed to the taxpayer's accumulation of taxes over the years and he didn't know.

I mean this tax regulation seems uneven and it seems that people who have to pay taxes are people who deal with large amounts of money. Let's say a farmer in 1 harvest (3-4 month) earns $2000, he will remain tax free if not registered or he doesn't register it whereas an employee from the start is already registered with the taxpayer even though their monthly salary is $300. What do you think? I'm a little confused with this tax rule.
You forgot the biggest source of tax for the government which is the goods and services tax which is levied whenever you buy anything. If you see on an yearly basis, this will be the tax you'll be paying the most. Apart from this don't forget about the toll tax that we pay when using major highways and I am still not putting up the taxes paid on agreements made like the stamp duty and other fees. Also as you are saying tax rules are confusing businesses always have advantages when compared to salaried people in taxes.
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April 06, 2023, 10:33:53 PM
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We all know that all citizens in all corners of the world must be taxpayers. Let me say about taxes in my country:
1. vehicle tax
Obliged to pay once a year, but there are also those who do not pay and the authorities also do not come to the taxpayer's house and in the end it is left abandoned
2. Land tax
Once a year the authorities will come to the taxpayer's house to collect taxes
3. Income tax
This will be my concern this time, whether all countries treat the same rules or not, I want to hear from all of you.
Income tax in my country in general will be very effective for employees of government agencies, offices and entrepreneurs. Let's say this, everyone earns whether it's from farming, freelancing, or any kind of work that isn't recorded at the tax office, if they don't report it to the tax authorities then they are exempt from tax. However, there is a provision that if someone has ever borrowed a large amount of money from a bank, even though the borrower was not notified by the taxpayer at first, in the end he was exposed to the taxpayer's accumulation of taxes over the years and he didn't know.

I mean this tax regulation seems uneven and it seems that people who have to pay taxes are people who deal with large amounts of money. Let's say a farmer in 1 harvest (3-4 month) earns $2000, he will remain tax free if not registered or he doesn't register it whereas an employee from the start is already registered with the taxpayer even though their monthly salary is $300. What do you think? I'm a little confused with this tax rule.

In your final paragraph you seem to get a bit confused. The farmer in that example doesn't have to "register" for anything, he is either a lawful tax payer who has an income and know that a portion will have to be paid to the tax authorities or he is a tax evader. A tax evader is not an admirable stance to take, because he is effectively stealing from everyone else in the country. All these taxes should be paying for the maintenance and upkeep of different areas of government, services or facilities. If he is choosing not to pay his fair share, then they are breaking the law and in the long run will always be looking over their shoulder because in many cases they get jail time or very punitive fines.

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April 07, 2023, 03:27:17 PM
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Many countries rely on taxes for a source of income, in my opinion this is unfair because those who pay high taxes get the usual same treatment from those who do not pay taxes, I hope that the country can maximize natural resources to become a source of income.
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April 08, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
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Many countries rely on taxes for a source of income, in my opinion this is unfair because those who pay high taxes get the usual same treatment from those who do not pay taxes, I hope that the country can maximize natural resources to become a source of income.
It seems that what you said will be difficult for countries that do not have natural wealth such as oil and gas to fulfill, if they do not seek income from the tax side. You are right that the rules will be the same for all citizens, be it those who pay taxes or those who actually benefit from taxes, there should be no discrimination for every citizen.

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April 08, 2023, 09:37:20 AM
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We all know that all citizens in all corners of the world must be taxpayers. Let me say about taxes in my country:
1. vehicle tax
Obliged to pay once a year, but there are also those who do not pay and the authorities also do not come to the taxpayer's house and in the end it is left abandoned
2. Land tax
Once a year the authorities will come to the taxpayer's house to collect taxes
3. Income tax
This will be my concern this time, whether all countries treat the same rules or not, I want to hear from all of you.
Income tax in my country in general will be very effective for employees of government agencies, offices and entrepreneurs. Let's say this, everyone earns whether it's from farming, freelancing, or any kind of work that isn't recorded at the tax office, if they don't report it to the tax authorities then they are exempt from tax. However, there is a provision that if someone has ever borrowed a large amount of money from a bank, even though the borrower was not notified by the taxpayer at first, in the end he was exposed to the taxpayer's accumulation of taxes over the years and he didn't know.

I mean this tax regulation seems uneven and it seems that people who have to pay taxes are people who deal with large amounts of money. Let's say a farmer in 1 harvest (3-4 month) earns $2000, he will remain tax free if not registered or he doesn't register it whereas an employee from the start is already registered with the taxpayer even though their monthly salary is $300. What do you think? I'm a little confused with this tax rule.
Farmers still need to pay taxes, since that land is also an income generator land, they will impose bigger taxes by estimating how much they can farm and earn on that land along with their land tax. Based on my own understanding of things, they will pay in accordance with the same concept as how business establishment are being taxed. In my country it is hard to launder money if you are not connected to some big time firms or you don't have any backers since even if you earn something from your freelance, all the banks and even the service providers (custodial wallets) requires you to verify and will ask you where that money came from and they will set limits into your account depending on what information you will provide them during verification. So if it happens that your incoming transaction exceeds the limits of your account, you will be asked certain questions or most commonly you will be limited in withdrawing will wait for a couple of weeks or months to reset your withdrawal limits.
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April 09, 2023, 09:36:55 AM
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Taxes are indeed an important factor for the state to finance the life of the country, in developed countries taxes are mandatory because they also provide maximum service so that benefits are evenly distributed, while in developing countries including my country taxes are only a few benefits felt, and according to reports that many tax officials who steal tax money.
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April 10, 2023, 07:21:00 AM
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Taxes are indeed an important factor for the state to finance the life of the country, in developed countries taxes are mandatory because they also provide maximum service so that benefits are evenly distributed, while in developing countries including my country taxes are only a few benefits felt, and according to reports that many tax officials who steal tax money.

Most countries are sure to use taxes to finance the needs to drive the country's economy. because with taxes the state can move the wheels of the economy.
although there may be those who have income from other sectors, the tax sector will still be a top priority.
I do not deny that in developing countries the tax sector is the main source of income, but what is returned for the welfare of the people is inversely proportional to not fulfilling the welfare of the people.

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April 10, 2023, 07:35:37 AM
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I think the government should also take steps to improve taxpayer compliance, such as increasing public awareness of tax regulations and simplifying the tax reporting process. This can help reduce tax evasion and increase revenue for the government, which can then be used to benefit the rest of society.
Government is not after of what that will bring good for people, what Government is to accumulate their revenue,  that is while sometime they don't like do things that will profit the masses, in some African countries theirs no tax but the government  is surviving with good responsibilities, so it depends government who can not protect the interests of her people.

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April 10, 2023, 03:46:15 PM
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I think the government should also take steps to improve taxpayer compliance, such as increasing public awareness of tax regulations and simplifying the tax reporting process. This can help reduce tax evasion and increase revenue for the government, which can then be used to benefit the rest of society.
Government is not after of what that will bring good for people, what Government is to accumulate their revenue,  that is while sometime they don't like do things that will profit the masses, in some African countries theirs no tax but the government  is surviving with good responsibilities, so it depends government who can not protect the interests of her people.

While it is true that some governments prioritize revenue collection over the welfare of their citizens as you demonstrated in African countries, it is important to recognize that taxes are a fundamental source of funding for public goods and services. Without taxes, the government would not be able to finance infrastructure projects, education, health and other essential services that benefit society as a whole.

In addition, tax compliance is necessary to maintain the integrity of the tax system and ensure that everyone pays their fair share. While there may be room for improvement in the tax reporting process and public awareness of tax regulations, it is ultimately the government and taxpayers who are responsible for working together towards a fair and efficient tax system.

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April 10, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
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I think the government should also take steps to improve taxpayer compliance, such as increasing public awareness of tax regulations and simplifying the tax reporting process. This can help reduce tax evasion and increase revenue for the government, which can then be used to benefit the rest of society.
Government is not after of what that will bring good for people, what Government is to accumulate their revenue,  that is while sometime they don't like do things that will profit the masses, in some African countries theirs no tax but the government  is surviving with good responsibilities, so it depends government who can not protect the interests of her people.

While it is true that some governments prioritize revenue collection over the welfare of their citizens as you demonstrated in African countries, it is important to recognize that taxes are a fundamental source of funding for public goods and services. Without taxes, the government would not be able to finance infrastructure projects, education, health and other essential services that benefit society as a whole.

In addition, tax compliance is necessary to maintain the integrity of the tax system and ensure that everyone pays their fair share. While there may be room for improvement in the tax reporting process and public awareness of tax regulations, it is ultimately the government and taxpayers who are responsible for working together towards a fair and efficient tax system.

Taxes are the most important government revenue for carrying out governance operations and implementing policies in education, health and other public service infrastructure. Yes, without taxation it will be very difficult to achieve people's welfare. So without pressure from the government to pay taxes it will be very difficult for the state to get funding in carrying out its plans for development in the country.
but for this it is quite difficult to do in a country which has a complicated bureaucracy in carrying out accountability for taxation so that a lot of fraud is being carried out, the government must also have a tax supervisory agency to serve as an observer so that it runs fairly and there is no fraud, a few months ago in my country also found that policy owners at tax officials found a lot of fraud and tax funds that were obtained did not fully enter the state's pockets.
The emphasis on paying taxes must be fair and of course the transparency of the flow of tax funds is common knowledge for the public.

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April 23, 2023, 10:29:45 AM
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I agree with the opinion that income tax is only suitable for government employees, income tax is indeed something that is disliked because the government is not involved with someone's income, of course this is my opinion because I also have to pay income tax and it is automatically deducted every month. It's time for the government to think about collecting income tax.

Taxation should not be a painful process for the people. There should be leniency and caution while deciding the tax structure. Ideally, governments should collect taxes like honeybee, which sucks just the right amount of honey from flower so that both can survive. Taxes should be collected in small and not in large proportions.
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April 24, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
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Ideally, governments should collect taxes like honeybee, which sucks just the right amount of honey from flower so that both can survive.

Terrible analogy
- bees don't collect honey, they collect nectar and flowers have no need for it, they offer it free exactly to have the bee transport polen
- bees work all day, they don't have Sundays they don't have holidays, they don't get retirement
- male bees don't work at all, they benefit from the food and one of the lucky bastards has a fun time once in his short life
- queen bees are the only ones to get the royal jelly all their lifetime
- all dead bees are just thrown away out of the hive and forgotten

So, it doesn't get more despotic than that at all, and I'm sure every bee would love to pay taxes in the humaninstead of working in a hive.

Government is not after of what that will bring good for people, what Government is to accumulate their revenue,

Governments can't "accumulate" revenue, and it's really bad even for the worst of them if they would try this.
It means they will get fewer votes and then they would get thrown out of power and they would have no way to actually spend the amazed revenues, which is really really stupid. What bad governments do, which btw are still made out of people is spend less money on what's important for the people and more on things from which they can have a share of the money in bribes or profits, but no bad government would ever try to "accumulate" stuff.


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April 24, 2023, 06:53:18 PM
Last edit: April 24, 2023, 07:08:34 PM by Adbitco
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Taxation in my country majorly for those big company's, those company pays their tax directly to government at the every end of the month and also yearly depending on how the arrangement was carried out. For we the little workers there are no much tax but only assigned to our banks, meaning whatever amount you being credited off there are little percentages that goes to the government depending on the amount that gets credited to your accounts. For a current account holder their tax aren't the same with those with a savings account. For more details about taxation you may visit here

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April 24, 2023, 07:28:50 PM
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In reality, everyone pays tax. That is why we have direct and indirect tax. Even if you don't work, you will still be taxed when you buy groceries.
Even if you are a student, you will still be taxed through your school fees.
And then the best method of taxation that ought to be adopted world wide is Pay As You Earn (PAYE). With this method of payment, everyone would be able to pay and before civil servants will recieve their salary, tax must have been deducted with a standard implemented method of taxation.

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