Survey regarding our Bitcoin Blockexplorer topic

[Woodie]

Question 1:
Rating from Blockchair Bitcoin Block Explorer 8 points
I think the current 8/10 rating for Blockchair.com is more than fair and the extra 2points remaining leaves room for improvement to get a perfect score, Btw if memopool had the multicoin support it would have been my number one..

Question 2:
Remove "comments" column from our table - NO
Think of this as our very own trust pilot with a few reasons why ABC is where it is but if the majority want this section taken down, the numbers back them its a collective decision.

Question 3:
Include comments in "hover format" - Yes
If SFR10 solution simplifies the user experience why not, let's get on with it.

[SFR10]

To do so, we would need to an additional column, where we could link that picture (one column for our hover feature, one column for our picure link).

You have a point, but we can also use both of them in a single column:

• Ver.1 7 / 10 Points
• Ver.2 7/10 <sup>[view comment]
  - I removed the word points [seems a bit redundant] and empty spaces between the numbers to reduce their width.</sup>

Maybe we can just add a picture link of a screenshot from all comments (our current comments section / our current table) below and people can simply view our table on that external picture (imgur), how it is right now.

Yes, we can do this as well, but I don't think most mobile users would enjoy using a magnifier ^{[or zoom features]} to find the right comment.

[1miau]

To do so, we would need to an additional column, where we could link that picture (one column for our hover feature, one column for our picure link).

You have a point, but we can also use both of them in a single column:

• Ver.1 7 / 10 Points
• Ver.2 7/10 <sup>[view comment]
  - I removed the word points [seems a bit redundant] and empty spaces between the numbers to reduce their width.</sup>

You are right, would be an option even if it's a little bit longer as a whole for our column.

Maybe we can just add a picture link of a screenshot from all comments (our current comments section / our current table) below and people can simply view our table on that external picture (imgur), how it is right now.

Yes, we can do this as well, but I don't think most mobile users would enjoy using a magnifier ^{[or zoom features]} to find the right comment.

Yes, it might take a while to zoom in but normally, zoom option hasn't been a problem for me personally.
We could also link a Bitcointalk post instead where all comments are still displayed (current table layout), maybe that would be easier compared to hosting external pictures?

I can add all options (add an overview picture for comments or link our current table layout in a Bitcointalk post or add a picture from each Blockexplorer comment) to our new survey if you want.


For our new survey I suggest to schedule a date in late March, I'm collecting options from suggestions currently. 

[1miau]

14 days are over now and here are the results from our survey:



Result 1: Our suggestion, to change the rating from Blockchair, didn't found any majority, as 6 people voted for an 8 points rating and 6 people voted for an 9 points rating.
Result 2: Bitcointalk members want to remove comments in our current comment section, which will remove our comment section entirely (8 vs. 5 votes).
Result 3: Bitcointalk members want to have comments included in hover format, as suggested by SFR10 (7 vs. 4 votes).

A total of 13 people voted.


I'll include all changes and post an update in my main topic when it's done (which could take a while because I'm a bit busy...).
Many thanks @everyone for your votes. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you for the statistics, 1miau!

I am very glad to see we did not have contradictory final results (e.g.: having users voting to keep comments and also use "hover" format, as we anticipated it may happen)

The hover format will bring an "exotic air" to your topic, as it's a SMF feature only rarely used (to be honest, excepting your topic, I think I only saw icopress using this feature). Most likely, this change will also make the topic more aesthetic. Indeed, it may impact users which will access your topic from mobile phones, yet I don't think their total number represent a significat percentage compared with all the users which will ever access the topic while browsing the forum from desktops or laptops. Besides, the ones browsing from mobiles can always come back to the topic while using a PC.

Besides, what do you have in mind regarding the final mark for Blockchair? Will you make a secondary survey, where users will be able to choose between giving it a 8 or a 9? (10 is out of question, as only I gave it a 10, lol.)

[1miau]

Thank you for the statistics, 1miau!

I am very glad to see we did not have contradictory final results (e.g.: having users voting to keep comments and also use "hover" format, as we anticipated it may happen)

Yes, it is nice to see. Keeping our current comment section while also adding comments in hover format wouldn't make much sense, so a lot of members avoided such a vote.

Indeed, it may impact users which will access your topic from mobile phones, yet I don't think their total number represent a significat percentage compared with all the users which will ever access the topic while browsing the forum from desktops or laptops. Besides, the ones browsing from mobiles can always come back to the topic while using a PC.

I'll add a link below the table to a version of an old version of our table. By doing so, it'll also be possible for people viewing our table from mobile devices. 

Besides, what do you have in mind regarding the final mark for Blockchair? Will you make a secondary survey, where users will be able to choose between giving it a 8 or a 9? (10 is out of question, as only I gave it a 10, lol.)

I would apply a "stay" for our 8 points rating since 8 and 9 points have equal votes, so I consider it as a vote for "stay".
If my assumption is against a fair decision and people request to have a runoff vote, I can also set up a runoff vote, of course. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

I'll add a link below the table to a version of an old version of our table. By doing so, it'll also be possible for people viewing our table from mobile devices. 

Yup, this is a wise move. We have the old format as reference, those willing to use it can still do it (this also implies that it should be updated each time OP gets updated) and if in the future you will wish (in a democratic way ) to return to old format, the old table will be available.

I would apply a "stay" for our 8 points rating since 8 and 9 points have equal votes, so I consider it as a vote for "stay".
If my assumption is against a fair decision and people request to have a runoff vote, I can also set up a runoff vote, of course. 

Awww, you applied a democratic vote for everything, don't punish Blockchair now with a unilateral decision I guess it would be fair for this site to organize one more survey for a final decision regarding its final mark (a vote for 8 or 9). Maybe a one week survey...? Also take into consideration that such a move will also be consistent with earlier changes, meaning it will be a democratic vote

[1miau]

I'll add a link below the table to a version of an old version of our table. By doing so, it'll also be possible for people viewing our table from mobile devices.  

Yup, this is a wise move. We have the old format as reference, those willing to use it can still do it (this also implies that it should be updated each time OP gets updated) and if in the future you will wish (in a democratic way ) to return to old format, the old table will be available.

Of course, if there's demand to change it again, we can do so.  
But are you sure about updating the old format? I believe it's better to keep it how it is since it is our "old" format, which has been frozen when we added the new design?

I would apply a "stay" for our 8 points rating since 8 and 9 points have equal votes, so I consider it as a vote for "stay".
If my assumption is against a fair decision and people request to have a runoff vote, I can also set up a runoff vote, of course.  

Awww, you applied a democratic vote for everything, don't punish Blockchair now with a unilateral decision I guess it would be fair for this site to organize one more survey for a final decision regarding its final mark (a vote for 8 or 9). Maybe a one week survey...? Also take into consideration that such a move will also be consistent with earlier changes, meaning it will be a democratic vote

You are also right here. By getting a DRAW between 8 and 9 votes, it's still an unsolved secret, what to do.
As you've said, it's not a nice move from me to decide the outcome, so we will have a fair and democratic survey, once again. We need to honor our decisionmaking and be consistent.  
I'm planning to start one next weekend and we can run it again for 14 days.

[GazetaBitcoin]

But are you sure about updating the old format? I believe it's better to keep it how it is since it is our "old" format, which has been frozen when we added the new design?

Ummm... Maybe I did not express well what I meant. Let me rephrase it.

So you said you will keep also the old format of the table (actually it's inside your earlier post). This is for those willing to browse from mobile phones. And I suggested the following: (1) there will certainly be changes to the new table from OP (the one which is already changed); (2) since OP will be updated in the future with various suggestions from other users, it would be wise to update also the old table -- the one you kept for users browsing from mobiles. Practically, since you (we) keep also the old table inside a post, I believe that when new sites will be added to / deleted from the new table from OP, this change should reflect also inside the old table, which you posted here. This way, users browsing from mobile phones will also be able to see all new additions to the new table from OP.

Does it make sense now?

You are also right here. By getting a DRAW between 8 and 9 votes, it's still an unsolved secret, what to do.

Yes, we need to reveal the secret! Reveal the secret we must, young padawan!

As you've said, it's not a nice move from me to decide the outcome, so we will have a fair and democratic survey, once again. We need to honor our decisionmaking and be consistent. 
I'm planning to start one next weekend and we can run it again for 14 days.

Well... I did not say you did a not nice move But it would be great to have a final debate for that website's final mark, thus the ones which voted anything else excepting 8 or 9 can choose between those two "finalist" marks!

[1miau]

But are you sure about updating the old format? I believe it's better to keep it how it is since it is our "old" format, which has been frozen when we added the new design?

Ummm... Maybe I did not express well what I meant. Let me rephrase it.

So you said you will keep also the old format of the table (actually it's inside your earlier post). This is for those willing to browse from mobile phones. And I suggested the following: (1) there will certainly be changes to the new table from OP (the one which is already changed); (2) since OP will be updated in the future with various suggestions from other users, it would be wise to update also the old table -- the one you kept for users browsing from mobiles. Practically, since you (we) keep also the old table inside a post, I believe that when new sites will be added to / deleted from the new table from OP, this change should reflect also inside the old table, which you posted here. This way, users browsing from mobile phones will also be able to see all new additions to the new table from OP.

Does it make sense now?

Your comment made already sense before, dear GazetaBitcoin and my suggestion was indeed to keep it as it is and updates would only get included in our new one.
Our old table would be an historic version, frozen at that point of time, when we implemented our new layout.

But I understand your objections and it's definitely an option to keep our old table version updated as well. We can add this question to our new survey. And as we are asking the public for its opinion, we can ask 2 questions at once. 

You are also right here. By getting a DRAW between 8 and 9 votes, it's still an unsolved secret, what to do.

Yes, we need to reveal the secret! Reveal the secret we must, young padawan!

You meant young pawn, didn't you?
You just misspelled it?

As you've said, it's not a nice move from me to decide the outcome, so we will have a fair and democratic survey, once again. We need to honor our decisionmaking and be consistent. 
I'm planning to start one next weekend and we can run it again for 14 days.

Well... I did not say you did a not nice move

But it would be an inconsistent move. 

But it would be great to have a final debate for that website's final mark, thus the ones which voted anything else excepting 8 or 9 can choose between those two "finalist" marks!

Sure! We will get a final decision about Blockchair's rating and everyone can participate in voting. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

But I understand your objections and it's definitely an option to keep our old table version updated as well. We can add this question to our new survey. And as we are asking the public for its opinion, we can ask 2 questions at once. 

Okay Although, from my perspective, keeping the old thread for helping mobile users would also automatically imply having it updated whenever the new table would receive updates... I know that this means some more work to do from you (and also from me, as I also intended to keep updated the old format of the table translated in Romanian).

However, if you want to not put the fate of the old table through "the Caudine forks" of a vote, I can volunteer to update both versions of the old table (English and Romanian)

Yes, we need to reveal the secret! Reveal the secret we must, young padawan!

You meant young pawn, didn't you?
You just misspelled it?

Yes, certainly! My bad! "Padawan" is the ancient translation of "pawn" and it was used "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." 

But it would be an inconsistent move.

This is correct And you know what a huge fan of consistency I am

Sure! We will get a final decision about Blockchair's rating and everyone can participate in voting. 

Deal!

[1miau]

But I understand your objections and it's definitely an option to keep our old table version updated as well. We can add this question to our new survey. And as we are asking the public for its opinion, we can ask 2 questions at once. 

Okay Although, from my perspective, keeping the old thread for helping mobile users would also automatically imply having it updated whenever the new table would receive updates... I know that this means some more work to do from you (and also from me, as I also intended to keep updated the old format of the table translated in Romanian).

Your arguments are very reasonable.
I'll include it in our survey of course. 

However, if you want to not put the fate of the old table through "the Caudine forks" of a vote, I can volunteer to update both versions of the old table (English and Romanian)

Wow, an ancient FORK.
Looks like it's not only Bitcoin what suffered from a fork. 

Yes, we need to reveal the secret! Reveal the secret we must, young padawan!

You meant young pawn, didn't you?
You just misspelled it?

Yes, certainly! My bad! "Padawan" is the ancient translation of "pawn" and it was used "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." 

Probably the person bite on its tongue while pronouncing it... 

But it would be an inconsistent move.

This is correct And you know what a huge fan of consistency I am

+1
Consistency is very important, dear GazetaBitcoin. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

But I understand your objections and it's definitely an option to keep our old table version updated as well. We can add this question to our new survey. And as we are asking the public for its opinion, we can ask 2 questions at once. 

Okay Although, from my perspective, keeping the old thread for helping mobile users would also automatically imply having it updated whenever the new table would receive updates... I know that this means some more work to do from you (and also from me, as I also intended to keep updated the old format of the table translated in Romanian).

Your arguments are very reasonable.
I'll include it in our survey of course. 

Hey there 1miau! Any news about the new survey...? I just remembered about that and I said it's better to write a reminder

[1miau]

Hey there 1miau! Any news about the new survey...? I just remembered about that and I said it's better to write a reminder

Hey!

I really forgot about this one and I'm very happy to have your reminder here.
Yes, we need to arrange a new survey.  

I'll ask 2 questions:

1. After our previous survey didn't saw any winner of which rating should be applied to Blockchair, we are having a runoff vote between 8/10 points (where Blockchair is ranked currently) and 9/10 points which got equal votes in our previous survey. We would like to ask all Bitcointalk members how many points Blockchair deserves to have in your opinion.  

2. After our previous survey we re-arranged our table layout completely. In our new version, specific comments are displayed via hover format, which doesn't work on mobile devices. To be consistent, we have have also archived our old version here, where comments can be seen on mobile devices as well.
Should we update the old version as well or should the old version get treated more like an archive and not get any updates?


Question!  
You decide.


Did I forget any important details?

If not, I'll probably launch it on Caturday.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

Did I forget any important details?

Nope, you summed-up well the questions!

If not, I'll probably launch it on Caturday. 

Looking forward for that

[1miau]

If not, I'll probably launch it on Caturday. 

Looking forward for that

Our new survey (part 2) is UP and running: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448075.new#new


Everyone is invited to vote! 
We needed to have a runoff-vote because for some of our previous questions, some answers got a DRAW (equal number of votes for competing suggestions). Solution: we will have a runoff-vote to ask everyone, to vote for your favorite option.

People can select up to 4 answers.

Plz vote here: Survey regarding our Bitcoin Blockexplorer topic [Part 2]
You can also leave a comment / suggestion / advertisement for any of the options. 

We also need to specify how long our poll will be running.
My favorite is 14 days, a good solution we applied already in our previous survey.