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March 01, 2023, 03:59:05 PM
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As a citizen one should obey the laws of the country as every law has a reason therefore I believe as the crypto world develops most African countries will remove bans for crypto

Talking about obeying the laws of a country is cool but some citizens can still be trading with the use of cryptocurrency or making use of Bitcoin and it still doesn't cause any harm or valuate the law of a country per say. But In some African countries I don't see why they can't impose the use of Bitcoin or better still let the citizens to use it like every other currency, I think the banks monitors what comes in and out of ones account so they find it challenging to just accept the use of Bitcoin so they just set a ban when it doesn't suit their selfish desire/interest in some cases.

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March 02, 2023, 09:56:40 AM
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Africa has always been a colony of Europe and a testing ground for medicines, political decisions, and so on.
Read about the introduction of SBDS in Nigeria
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440827.0
Remember Gaddafi's gold dinar. Libya was a beautiful country, but as soon as they wanted to get rid of American slavery, a civil war broke out in the country.
And this is what happens in many African countries, where there are several revolutions a year.

War in Ethiopia, why is everyone silent?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5411351

In order for some countries to have a high standard of living, they are obliged to support wars in other countries.

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March 02, 2023, 10:39:48 AM
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I won't go into a debate but I want to present you all with some facts. total 22 African countries are living in poverty due to a draconian law known as - the Franc of the French Colonies in Africa!

Yeah yeah, the blame game!
If the evil franc is so bad why countries that have abandoned it like Madagascar, Mauritania or Guinea are even poorer than some who are still using the franc?  Oh but wait, we have other success stories from outside the evil influence of the evil franc, Mauritania, Congo, Angola, and Zimbabwe they are doing so great without the franc!

Reality check:
https://www.dw.com/en/africas-cfa-franc-colonial-relic-or-stabilizing-force/a-48908889

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Guinea quit the CFA monetary zone in 1960, followed by Mali in 1962 and Madagascar and Mauritania in 1973. But their decision to leave put their currencies into such a tailspin that no one has been seriously tempted to follow their example since.
The CFA franc is pegged to the euro (before which it was pegged to the French franc) and guaranteed by the French treasury. Defenders praise the credibility and stability of the currency and point out that no CFA member has experienced a major financial crisis.

The criticism is from the government which just wants the ability to print money, they want to devalue their currency and they can't do that, this brings stability but it also stops their inability to throw money away and the inability of doing anything without borrowing like mad, showing their utter inability to run the country.

I find it so amusing that while we praise BTC adoption there are individuals that would love to ee each government printing money like mad like this would solve a thing, do tell me, what will change for them if they switch from the franc to BTC ? Will they gain any "independence" ?  Grin

Remember Gaddafi's gold dinar. Libya was a beautiful country, but as soon as they wanted to get rid of American slavery, a civil war broke out in the country.

Yeah the famous gold dinar, except for the fact that Lybia had only 5 billion in gold reserves, so comparing this to something like the annual budget of New York which is 100 billion or the 400 billion Apple makes a year shows you pretty much how ridiculous that was.

I don't know if the estimates are accurate, but I have my doubts and questions. Okay, let's say it's 10 million in Nigeria, 1.4 million in Ethiopia. Then you say 4.5 million residents of South Africa (you mean, like, residents but not citizens or a total of 4.5 million?), then saying 88% of adults own cryptos there. It seems that roughly 35 million adults like in South Africa, and 4.5 million is certainly not 88% of them. But okay, let's say it's 35 million. Add to that 9% of Kenyan population (around 5 million), 3.1 million traders in Ghana. That, excluding Egypt (because calculating a population of young adults is tricky), gives us almost 55 million crypto users in this handful of countries alone. Isn't is a bit too many? I'm especially interested in the 88% of adults in South Africa. Could that really be true?

No, it's not!
It's just like those stupid numbers with 20% of Turkey owning crypto and 15% of the US owning Bitcoin, clear exaggerations since the blockchain data clearly refutes those but it also brings another thing into the equation, the amount those people would be holding.
It's data pulled from
https://triple-a.io/crypto-ownership-data/
You can dig in that data and look at the numbers and it would show you the US holds at least 400 billion in crypto, then go to Europe add another 300 billion and what's left for the rest of the world if we count out Satoshi is pennies!  Cheesy

Pretty nice things there, but the best is Somalia beating Salvador in crypto owners percentages or Honduras topping Switzerland.  Wink

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March 03, 2023, 03:24:36 PM
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Remember Gaddafi's gold dinar. Libya was a beautiful country, but as soon as they wanted to get rid of American slavery, a civil war broke out in the country.

Yeah the famous gold dinar, except for the fact that Lybia had only 5 billion in gold reserves, so comparing this to something like the annual budget of New York which is 100 billion or the 400 billion Apple makes a year shows you pretty much how ridiculous that was.
In some sources, I saw the figure of 7 billion, but this is not a subject for dispute. The main idea was to change the financial system of many African countries and move to the gold standard, getting rid of the French franc and the US dollar. Muammar Gaddafi wanted to change the financial system on the entire continent and was killed. And Libya is now a very poor country.

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March 03, 2023, 04:02:47 PM
Last edit: May 20, 2023, 07:10:54 PM by stompix
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Muammar Gaddafi wanted to change the financial system on the entire continent and was killed. And Libya is now a very poor country.

Gadaffi didn't do anything special, it's just a myth that has its base on the price of oil.
Gaddafi was in power since 1979 nothign was special before the huge increase in oil prices and it followed the same patterns as developing countries with medium to high-income comign from oil and gas.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2021&locations=LY-RU-BR-KZ-MX&start=1994



Again, myths about how great of a leader he was. Chavez had the same story, great times while oil was high, once it wasn't anymore the country went to poverty levels.

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March 04, 2023, 07:44:40 AM
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Muammar Gaddafi wanted to change the financial system on the entire continent and was killed. And Libya is now a very poor country.

Gadaffi didn't do anything special, it's just a myth that has its base on the price of oil.
Gaddafi was in power since 1979 nothign was special before the huge increase in oil prices and it followed the same patterns as developing countries with medium to high-income comign from oil and gas.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2021&locations=LY-RU-BR-KZ-MX&start=1994



Again, myths about how great of a leader he was. Chavez had the same story, great times while oil was high, once it wasn't anymore the country went to poverty levels.
Problems in Libya began after a 9-year civil war, which is still not over. Until now, large cities are unsafe and there are shootings. Russia has lost a lot of money due to the loss of a partner in the supply of weapons. European countries suffered less economic losses.
There are still large oil reserves in Libya, and now French, Spanish, Norwegian companies are extracting oil there. Therefore, the countries of Europe live well, receiving cheap resources, while in other countries many people die from wars and diseases.

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March 05, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
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1#Nigeria: Nigeria has the greatest percentage of cryptocurrency owners in Africa, with over 10-22 million users, 10% of whom own several cryptocurrencies. It is one of the leading nations promoting cryptocurrency in Africa.
Notwithstanding the CBN's restriction, young people between the ages of 18 and 66 continue to engage in cryptocurrency.Most Nigerians now possess more cryptocurrencies than fiat money "Naira" due to the recent significant devaluation of the Nigerian currency.
Well, I can speak for myself. To that I say everything you said there is correct, including owing more cryptocurrency value than fiat. I hardly keep fiat this day.

Concerning whether African governments are in support of cryptocurrency or not, it's obvious they aren't. Cryptocurrency has a kind of liberation effect on citizens of this continent from financial slavery and dependence on jobs that aren't even available. A lot of citizens in Nigeria who are into cryptocurrency are quitting their paid jobs and getting self employed.

Financial independence is a big challenge to bad leadership. This is telling on the selfish political leaders in Nigeria. They don't like something like that. It makes them think they're losing grip on the citizens.

We saw that happened during the #endsars protest in 2020. The Buhari administration was completely at lost with what to do to curb that demonstration until it came up with massacre of protesters. The aftermath of that protest was what gave birth to the CBN ban on crypto activities in the country. That ban seems to be of no effect anymore as we've continued to trade it till date.

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