Mempool full? Long transaction times + fees x10!

[Artemis3]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the lightning channel; no tip for me today, thanks spammers.

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[larry_vw_1955]

Yeah, thanks god I'm free and no longer depend on a banker guy. Now I have to wait when a 15 yo acne-covered teen sitting in his parents basement gets tired of creating gazillions of monkey pics (or even worse, something like this: https://www.cryptodickbutts.com/) and lets me push my tx at only x10 the price I used to pay before this madness started! I guess I should be grateful! 

he says he's going to mint 5400 for series 3. i wonder if he's putting that on bitcoin or ethereum 

[nutildah]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the lightning channel; no tip for me today, thanks spammers.

If you were just trying to receive a tip, you could have opened up a custodial LN wallet and then transferred it to yourself later.

There's always solutions to problems caused by "high fees." Seems like people would just rather complain than consider them.

The weirdest is when people believe their complaints actually have some sort of effect on the situation.

[Wind_FURY]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the lightning channel; no tip for me today, thanks spammers.

If you were just trying to receive a tip, you could have opened up a custodial LN wallet and then transferred it to yourself later.

There's always solutions to problems caused by "high fees." Seems like people would just rather complain than consider them.

The weirdest is when people believe their complaints actually have some sort of effect on the situation.

That doesn't truly change the fact that it's ANNOYING, and the fees are more than what they were before Ordinals, doesn't it? I don't want to offend anyone who develops NFT projects, and/or collects/trades NFTs, but you told Artemis3 to move his transactions offchain. The same can be adviced for those dick pics and fart sounds in the blockchain, so in my personal opinion, move them offchain.

[nutildah]

That doesn't truly change the fact that it's ANNOYING, and the fees are more than what they were before Ordinals, doesn't it? I don't want to offend anyone who develops NFT projects, and/or collects/trades NFTs, but you told Artemis3 to move his transactions offchain. The same can be adviced for those dick pics and fart sounds in the blockchain, so in my personal opinion, move them offchain.

Well, he wanted to use LN which is offchain. It wasn't my idea, it was his. I'm providing an actionable solution to an easily solvable problem. What you are offering is just more opinions and complaints which doesn't actually help solve anything.

[hZti]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the lightning channel; no tip for me today, thanks spammers.

If you were just trying to receive a tip, you could have opened up a custodial LN wallet and then transferred it to yourself later.

There's always solutions to problems caused by "high fees." Seems like people would just rather complain than consider them.

The weirdest is when people believe their complaints actually have some sort of effect on the situation.

Well it is obviously a solution but it is definitely not a practical solution if you just want to send a small tip to somebody. What would really solve this matter would be a bigger block size. If people forgot satoshi even specifically stated that the block size should be increased in the future!

[Wind_FURY]

That doesn't truly change the fact that it's ANNOYING, and the fees are more than what they were before Ordinals, doesn't it? I don't want to offend anyone who develops NFT projects, and/or collects/trades NFTs, but you told Artemis3 to move his transactions offchain. The same can be adviced for those dick pics and fart sounds in the blockchain, so in my personal opinion, move them offchain.

Well, he wanted to use LN which is offchain. It wasn't my idea, it was his. I'm providing an actionable solution to an easily solvable problem.

OK, I merely had a different impression.

What you are offering is just more opinions and complaints which doesn't actually help solve anything.

Opinions? Annoyed because of paying for higher fees, and waiting for a confirmation longer than usual is not merely an opinion, ser. It's truly annoying.

Complaints? Please read through my post history and tell me where I had a negative opinion about specifically Ordinals. In fact, I always try to give everyone, especially the newbies, a non-biased/objective viewpoint about it. I also said it's remarkable, BUT the things that can be built out of Ordinals could open opportunities to attack Bitcoin.

[serveria.com]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the lightning channel; no tip for me today, thanks spammers.

If you were just trying to receive a tip, you could have opened up a custodial LN wallet and then transferred it to yourself later.

There's always solutions to problems caused by "high fees." Seems like people would just rather complain than consider them.

The weirdest is when people believe their complaints actually have some sort of effect on the situation.

Well it is obviously a solution but it is definitely not a practical solution if you just want to send a small tip to somebody. What would really solve this matter would be a bigger block size. If people forgot satoshi even specifically stated that the block size should be increased in the future!

Right now I feel like it's a flashback from 2017! Bitcoin Cash, big blocks does it ring a bell? Actually, why don't that ordinals guy just put his dickbutts on a Bitcoin Cash blockchain? It's probably empty anyway! 

[nutildah]

Well it is obviously a solution but it is definitely not a practical solution if you just want to send a small tip to somebody.

Custodial lightning wallet was exactly the solution to that particular problem.

What would really solve this matter would be a bigger block size.

Technically the block size is already bigger, 4 MB as was tested and proven not too long ago. If you're looking for an even bigger blocksize there's two other coins that have "Bitcoin" in their name for that.

Right now I feel like it's a flashback from 2017! Bitcoin Cash, big blocks does it ring a bell? Actually, why don't that ordinals guy just put his dickbutts on a Bitcoin Cash blockchain? It's probably empty anyway!  

Indeed its a smaller-sized blockchain than BTC. That's not a bad idea but alas as Bitcoin Cash does not have SegWit its an impossibility, at least in the form it uses on BTC. They are all over Litecoin because it has both SegWit and Taproot. Peeps even tried it for Dogecoin with P2SH scripting and called it Doginals but its no fun b/c the image sizes are super tiny (1.5-10kb).

[Artemis3]

That doesn't truly change the fact that it's ANNOYING, and the fees are more than what they were before Ordinals, doesn't it? I don't want to offend anyone who develops NFT projects, and/or collects/trades NFTs, but you told Artemis3 to move his transactions offchain. The same can be adviced for those dick pics and fart sounds in the blockchain, so in my personal opinion, move them offchain.

I'm providing an actionable solution to an easily solvable problem. What you are offering is just more opinions and complaints which doesn't actually help solve anything.

No i don't, someone just offered a LN tip and i just gave it a "quick try", and after it finally opened the channel (the following day), and providing an "invoice request" it didn't work for whatever reason. I don't like lightning, kick those spammers out so that everyone can use Bitcoin for normal transactions again.

The irony of the thing is you telling people to go "custodial". No, the solution is kick the spammers out, things simply worked fine before the Feb exploit.

[nutildah]

The irony of the thing is you telling people to go "custodial".

That's not irony. It was the solution to your problem. Just keep the tip in a custodial wallet until you are ready to open your own Lightning channel and then send it to yourself.

No, the solution is kick the spammers out, things simply worked fine before the public Feb exploit.

That's not a solution. How are you going to do that? Have you written a BIP regarding limiting Taproot script length and submitted it for consideration on GitHub? Have you attempted to contact anybody who can potentially do anything about it?

[serveria.com]

The irony of the thing is you telling people to go "custodial".

That's not irony. It was the solution to your problem. Just keep the tip in a custodial wallet until you are ready to open your own Lightning channel and then send it to yourself.

No, the solution is kick the spammers out, things simply worked fine before the public Feb exploit.

That's not a solution. How are you going to do that? Have you written a BIP regarding limiting Taproot script length and submitted it for consideration on GitHub? Have you attempted to contact anybody who can potentially do anything about it?

Talking about the issue is the first step. It's important! Discussion helps to clarify the issue and generate ideas. What you're saying now is: shut up and do something but real quiet so nobody would find out. No! We're going to talk about this nasty issue and we're going to do it LOUD! 

[Artemis3]

No, the solution is kick the spammers out, things simply worked fine before the public Feb exploit.

That's not a solution. How are you going to do that? Have you written a BIP regarding limiting Taproot script length and submitted it for consideration on GitHub? Have you attempted to contact anybody who can potentially do anything about it?

We will bring it up until someone who can do something, does. For example the patch for nodes to filter the spam, that's a start. Something more "proper" needs to be written, sure, perhaps YOU can do something about it?

[franky1]

That's not a solution. How are you going to do that? Have you written a BIP regarding limiting Taproot script length and submitted it for consideration on GitHub? Have you attempted to contact anybody who can potentially do anything about it?

many have tried but not so many have got passed the moderation gateways to even get anything close to a proper fix listed as a formal bip

its not as simple as just write a bip and have it listed in cores bip list sandbox. there is a hop, skip, jump routine required to do a 'long jump' of landing in the sandbox of core bips

do you not find it strange how god-mode achow is trying too hard to edit the moderation policies of not just this forum but also of the IRC, mailing list and github

and its not "consideration on github" its 'consideration by 6 hierarchy highly privileged  maintainer entitled devs of CORES github repo'..
whom consider things and reject ideas at the moderated discussion phase before it even gets to the BIP list stage.

you know the central point of failure guys that opened up the exploit but have not done a thing in months to undo it themselves and not allowing formal submissions of fixes.. because fixes go against their CORE roadmap. so they try to avoid fixes even at the discussion phase.


these exploits have been slowly opened up more and more layer by layer since the anyonecanspend debates of 2016 (opcode activation/utility issues)

but instead of fixing the issues. they find work around to allow the issues to persist while wasting more time moderating out discussions of issues

[larry_vw_1955]

Peeps even tried it for Dogecoin with P2SH scripting and called it Doginals but its no fun b/c the image sizes are super tiny (1.5-10kb).

i wouldn't call 10,000 bytes "super tiny". you can store alot of data in 10,000 bytes. that might be a good way to backup important data - encrypted of course. wonder how much it costs. 

[nutildah]

Talking about the issue is the first step. It's important! Discussion helps to clarify the issue and generate ideas. What you're saying now is: shut up and do something but real quiet so nobody would find out. No! We're going to talk about this nasty issue and we're going to do it LOUD!  

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying actually doing something to attempt to rectify what you consider to be a problem will go miles further than just sitting around here basically spamming the same complaints about it over and over.

And you're not even loud. Almost nobody will read this except for some sig campaigners and franky1. This place is a collapsing thought bubble, from which a little more air escapes each year.

i wouldn't call 10,000 bytes "super tiny". you can store alot of data in 10,000 bytes. that might be a good way to backup important data - encrypted of course. wonder how much it costs.  

Its tiny for image data. 10k is the theoretical maximum although I'm not sure anybody has actually done that yet. Most of them have a max size of 1.5k and look like this full-sized:



https://doginals.com/shibescription/9ca704a862eb1fea235212804e5dd951409a91dd93a62b4888788788b1625e76i0

[larry_vw_1955]

Its tiny for image data. 10k is the theoretical maximum although I'm not sure anybody has actually done that yet.

Most of them have a max size of 1.5k and look like this full-sized:

But this monkey is 28740 bytes
https://doginals.com/shibescription/479332346fb7043d41520d9d291df653eca85f54964f75d7d4e6cb8a4590cc20i0
the image is 720x704 pixels so that's a pretty much full size image. 

[serveria.com]

Talking about the issue is the first step. It's important! Discussion helps to clarify the issue and generate ideas. What you're saying now is: shut up and do something but real quiet so nobody would find out. No! We're going to talk about this nasty issue and we're going to do it LOUD!  

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying actually doing something to attempt to rectify what you consider to be a problem will go miles further than just sitting around here basically spamming the same complaints about it over and over.

And you're not even loud. Almost nobody will read this except for some sig campaigners and franky1. This place is a collapsing thought bubble, from which a little more air escapes each year.

i wouldn't call 10,000 bytes "super tiny". you can store alot of data in 10,000 bytes. that might be a good way to backup important data - encrypted of course. wonder how much it costs.  

Its tiny for image data. 10k is the theoretical maximum although I'm not sure anybody has actually done that yet. Most of them have a max size of 1.5k and look like this full-sized:



https://doginals.com/shibescription/9ca704a862eb1fea235212804e5dd951409a91dd93a62b4888788788b1625e76i0

1-10 persons is not loud, 100-1000 is louder, 1000-1000000 is loud enough. Everyone was having fun ridiculing Satoshi and his ideas in 2009-2010 but it's not funny anymore now?

I guess size isn't significant for retarded NFT buyers. Cryptodickbutts are also quite small. It's all about the hype. 

[franky1]

And you're not even loud. Almost nobody will read this except for some sig campaigners and franky1. This place is a collapsing thought bubble, from which a little more air escapes each year.

yep this forum category is not for coming up with critical proposals that get implemented. its not cores github and god-mode achow ensures only those ass kissing cores existing roadmaps get discussed in this forums D&T category

this "bitcoin discussion" category is a discussion forum category to make OTHER people aware of things about bitcoin

if core devs need to rely on this forum category to find out about exploits they caused. we really are in trouble..

its about informing everyone else of dev exploits and problems

the devs have their own hierarchical platforms for them to discuss what plans they have for what they want bitcoin to do next. and those platforms are highly moderated,

so yes for critical proposals, this forum is a collapsing thought bubble

but as a source of information for the crowd, its a growing platform

i know people think twitter is the main source for information. but there is a heck of alot more social drama and ICO scamming and fake narrative games played on twitter than here

twitter is the advert for the noobs to first hear about bitcoin. they then come here for the information,, and then if they kiss enough roadmap applicable ass they can then get recruited/evolve into being allowed to converse with the devs in an echo chamber of single mindedness development

oh and yes i do agree there is like 12 ass-kissing wannabe fangirls of core on this forum that idolise these exploits and defend devs.. but are not successfully getting recruited into being their official PR team because they are still penny pinching for income via sig spamming or merit cycling each other

but with all that said. this forum is a discussion/talk forum. where yes we are free to discuss complaints. because complaints are not allowed in the actual dev platform. they don not want or like to be scrutinised in their moderated platform. (they have a kiss ass only echo chamber) which is another flaw they caused to themselves

[larry_vw_1955]

oh and yes i do agree there is like 12 ass-kissing wannabe fangirls of core on this forum that idolise these exploits and defend devs.. but are not successfully getting recruited into being their official PR team because they are still penny pinching for income via sig spamming or merit cycling each other

that sounds like a strange situation indeed. i'm assuming all 12 of them are pro-ordinals for sure. but maybe not? what's the benefit of being on the "PR team" do they get chocolate chip cookies or something?