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March 23, 2023, 08:12:52 PM
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Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games on some days. And the same the opposite, no gambler is always lost, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Most gamblers are already aware of the fact that gambling does not go in one direction and since the house has a bigger advantage against the players, and luck can favour the player sometimes, it now shows how volatile gambling is and one can not rely on one direction.
But then in gambling some days, it favours the player where he will be winning and other days the house edge will take it all leaving the player with a loss.

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March 23, 2023, 09:16:31 PM
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I witnessed this once, I think it was in a roulette game, someone won with a 5 percent chance, and it was actually the bot account of the site. Seeing this, I decided not to play on untrusted sites. A friend of mine once experienced this event. After these events, I decided to play on sites that host other style games, whether roulette or roulette, except for certain sites. The site must have some documents, as far as I know, and these documents are taken from certain places.
Although most of them do not have such a problem, sometimes luck is not on your side, unfortunately. For this, the only thing to do is not to get involved in this business again Cheesy

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March 23, 2023, 09:29:04 PM
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No, they don't. That's how gambling works ever since, be it online or not. Those who think they have been scammed are players who don't fully understand how gambling works, about risk, chances, etc. Players who can not accept their losses will always think like that. Before an individual gonna try gambling, he should put in his mind that he will lose more than you win.
Maybe OP doesn't know that gambling is n activity that you either lose or win and there's a higher possibility of you losing like 9 times out of ten times of bets made. Whether you lose or win it should be on you, for I have seen any gambler that wom and attributed it to the gambling site but should they lose they they feel they were cheated or tricked but not the case.
As long as there are others that are winning in same casino or gambling site then you need to step up your betting strategy cause it could be as a result of poor analysis on your side as the gambler that's why you are having streaks of losses when there are others winning in same casino or gambling site.

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March 24, 2023, 12:22:21 PM
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The question is how many of those gambling sites are truly fair in their system most of them have they system is designed to only favor the house and the player will feel cheated at all time, but we also have some casino that have a fearly favourable  system that give players some form of fairness.
House do always wins and this is what you should bare up in mind.Lets say that they are totally that fair but we do know that there's a house edge to begin with which it would really be that normal that as a gambler on which we are really that on disadvantage.The thing that what matter most on here is that we do prefer on losing a game on a fair way or something that been rigged nor being altered.
This is where these companies do gain up trust despite those hindrances and trust issues but it would really be wipen out overtime on the time that they do get that sufficient
recognition and this is why its ideal that you should stick on places which are reputable.

At the end of the day, it's key to remember that, sure, there's always gonna be that house edge, but that ain't no reason to throw in the towel and quit gambling. It is all about enjoying the moment, whether it is alone or with someone else

Completely agree with you mate, using myself as an example, with all the bad experiences I've experienced in gambling, I shouldn't be gambling anymore, but then, here I am, still doing it from time to time..
Gambling isn't all about making money or profit, most at times, the fun and relaxation it gives counts more than the profit that should have been made.

But I understand that as our faces are different, so is our heart desires, by this, it is certain that no matter how much we preach that gambling is not all about profiting, but all about having fun, many will never listen, their major reason for gambling will always be to make money, nothing else.
If you do continue on having such reason then you are really that simply putting up yourself into big trouble since you would really be that desperate when it comes on making money via gambling which we know that it do really always matter on how lucky you are and we know that not all would really be lucky on a particular gambling sessions.This is where people do make out some realizations whether they should be treating it the other way around or would really be sticking out on what they had been thinking since from the start. Desperation + emotion would really be making things even more messy if you arent really that good on controlling it.
Gambling is for fun and winning is just a bonus and on the time that you do aware on whats the risks including into it then you do know on what are your limitations.

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March 24, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
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No, they don't. That's how gambling works ever since, be it online or not. Those who think they have been scammed are players who don't fully understand how gambling works, about risk, chances, etc. Players who can not accept their losses will always think like that. Before an individual gonna try gambling, he should put in his mind that he will lose more than you win.
Maybe OP doesn't know that gambling is n activity that you either lose or win and there's a higher possibility of you losing like 9 times out of ten times of bets made. Whether you lose or win it should be on you, for I have seen any gambler that wom and attributed it to the gambling site but should they lose they they feel they were cheated or tricked but not the case.
As long as there are others that are winning in same casino or gambling site then you need to step up your betting strategy cause it could be as a result of poor analysis on your side as the gambler that's why you are having streaks of losses when there are others winning in same casino or gambling site.
There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises

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March 24, 2023, 05:27:33 PM
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Don't be too quick to believe anything that's posted on YouTube or any video sharing platforms. Yes, it could be true that the one who's exposing it really came from the casino industry or it's just someone that has overheard things over the counter and then managed to make a video and creates accusation about such.

Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Winning isn't difficult because it's given to every gambler and we'll win no matter what and how much we've been losing. But that's it, we have to understand that the house always wins and we can't defeat them if that's the purpose. If you feel cheated by the casino you're playing at then, complain to them and give them the proof or show it to the community for us to decide whether it's cheated and we won't go there anymore.

Winning has to be difficult. What kind of games would you play if not? If you always win, the rewards would have to be minimal for the house to be sustainable and that would probably would not be as fun as if you score an epic win from time to time. The concept of playing is that a victory must mean something ant that is about making it just the right level of difficult.

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Don't be too quick to believe anything that's posted on YouTube or any video sharing platforms. Yes, it could be true that the one who's exposing it really came from the casino industry or it's just someone that has overheard things over the counter and then managed to make a video and creates accusation about such.

Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Winning isn't difficult because it's given to every gambler and we'll win no matter what and how much we've been losing. But that's it, we have to understand that the house always wins and we can't defeat them if that's the purpose. If you feel cheated by the casino you're playing at then, complain to them and give them the proof or show it to the community for us to decide whether it's cheated and we won't go there anymore.

Winning has to be difficult. What kind of games would you play if not? If you always win, the rewards would have to be minimal for the house to be sustainable and that would probably would not be as fun as if you score an epic win from time to time. The concept of playing is that a victory must mean something ant that is about making it just the right level of difficult.
If gamblers do keeps winning then there would be no gambling platforms or business at all in the first place.We know that they arent charity on giving out free money to those who do play and make them win often.

They had built up a business which it is really just that normal that they would be setting out terms and advantageous ways for them to make money but of course in a fair way but its understandable that they would be always having the edge because they cant really sustain in this business if they werent really that doing.Losing doesnt always mean that they are scamming us.

It is really just that part of the cycle on where people do earn by winning and losing most of the time if they arent that lucky which is understandable since we do touch up gambling after all.

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March 24, 2023, 08:03:53 PM
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there's a higher possibility of you losing like 9 times out of ten times of bets made

Games algorithms are designed in a way that gives advantage to the casino. The casino will always win (on the long run) but saying the gambler will lose nine rounds out of ten isn't accurate (unless you are playing on a scam casino). On most casinos, the house edge is usually between 2 to 5%. Therefore, you are likely to lose ~5.5 rounds out of ten and I believe this is fair enough.

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The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This has nothing with manipulation or the system being rigged. As long as they provide publicly the rtp or the he and give you a way to verify the results (pf games) it should be fine.

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March 24, 2023, 08:39:41 PM
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There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.

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March 24, 2023, 11:42:18 PM
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I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Exactly! There is a huge difference between loosing on the long run because of the house edge (which is completely normal) and losing unfairly because the games are rigged.
Many gamblers start complaining when they hit a long losing streak and immediately accuse the casino of being rigged without doing the math and realizing how big are the chances of seeing such long losing streaks.
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March 25, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
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There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.

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March 25, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
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Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
I agree but it is possible to win in gambling only if you are lucky but it is not possible to control it all the time. The game is good either as a form of entertainment because the loss will be won here the gamblers do not have much chance of losing and can control. Earning money here is not a job, only play and pleasure and relaxation in other words you earn by playing.

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March 25, 2023, 02:57:58 PM
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Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
Well, though very rare, but there is actually a way to win in gambling and remain a winner all the days of ones live.
I will give you a scenario - just imagine your first day in gambling, on playing your first game/your first bet ever, you luckily won an amount that could be considers huge, you withdraw the money, and never returned back to gambling - this is a scenario that looks or feels impossible to happen, but it can actually happen, but it is very rare like i said initially..

Any new gambler that can pull this off, and stick to it would be a gambling winner for life.

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March 25, 2023, 03:30:58 PM
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There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.
Some cheats are hidden. Which are not easily revealed outside. However, when organized ‍such scam incident gambler can be resolved based on specific evidence. Casino who engage in this kind of scamming will lose their reputation. But in order to avoid all these issues a gambler must first select a reliable platform otherwise he has a high chance of losing. But if a gambler is not overly greedy then the probability of getting into such a situation will be less.

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March 26, 2023, 02:56:31 AM
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There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.
Some cheats are hidden. Which are not easily revealed outside. However, when organized ‍such scam incident gambler can be resolved based on specific evidence. Casino who engage in this kind of scamming will lose their reputation. But in order to avoid all these issues a gambler must first select a reliable platform otherwise he has a high chance of losing. But if a gambler is not overly greedy then the probability of getting into such a situation will be less.
Casinos that are used to cheating will surely hide their cheating and deny that it is cheating. If we find out that the casino is cheating, we must immediately look for another casino before we experience fraud or have experienced it but didn't realize it. Yes, we must avoid being greedy and not suffer too many losses because we also don't know if the casino is cheating or being fair. It's better for us to anticipate it before losing a lot of money because it's not worth it.

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March 26, 2023, 03:02:45 AM
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There is no perfect system anywhere in the universe, but when you come to gambling I can say that some of these casinos we gamble in are very far from being fair.
The system is rigged and the Machine. I mean some of them are manipulated to keep them in business. Be it 98% or 97% the level of the fairness favours the casino owner
This is why it is important to treat gambling as fun instead of using it as a means of making money.
You make the money being the casino owner than being that gambler that patronises
I think it is important to differentiate from the house edge the casino gives itself to rigged games, in a game with a house edge you can still win, it is just that the casino has a slight advantage over the player and over the long term this allows the casinos to remain in business, however a rigged game is one in which the gambler will never win, even during the short term, as the casino is hiding some things from the gamblers, like the odds being manipulated or changing the results of a bet after the fact.
Casinos may cheat their players but we never know about that and instead of just thinking about and finding out about their cheating, it's better for us to have fun playing gambling and enjoy playing gambling. And gambling is really not a place to make money, so because of that, we don't have to try so hard to keep trying to make money. Better to be gambling as entertainment. And if we want to make money from gambling, we better be casino owners because that is a way to make money. In addition, as a gambler, we may find it difficult to make money from gambling.
Some cheats are hidden. Which are not easily revealed outside. However, when organized ‍such scam incident gambler can be resolved based on specific evidence. Casino who engage in this kind of scamming will lose their reputation. But in order to avoid all these issues a gambler must first select a reliable platform otherwise he has a high chance of losing. But if a gambler is not overly greedy then the probability of getting into such a situation will be less.
Casinos that are used to cheating will surely hide their cheating and deny that it is cheating. If we find out that the casino is cheating, we must immediately look for another casino before we experience fraud or have experienced it but didn't realize it. Yes, we must avoid being greedy and not suffer too many losses because we also don't know if the casino is cheating or being fair. It's better for us to anticipate it before losing a lot of money because it's not worth it.

No one will really admit that they are cheating, but if you have hard evidence, you can post it here, because there are still instances where we can't shut down those casinos, but at least other gamblers are aware that they are cheating and won't be playing on them. Also, if you noticed, try to find another casino for you to play at, but it is best to stick to those top casinos as we are sure that they are legit and not cheating on us.
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March 26, 2023, 04:32:40 AM
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Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.

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March 26, 2023, 04:59:11 AM
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like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
Well, it's not often happening because usually there are more bad days than lucky days where you can win huge and able to recover some of your losses.

The better approach is, if you gamble don't expect to win or become rich in snap because this is usually the mistakes of gamblers thinking that gambling is the answer to change their lives. It's understandable to have a desire to win but it should not be our priority but to have fun. Because it's more satisfying to win while you're just enjoying the game.

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March 26, 2023, 10:19:27 AM
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Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
I'm with you 100% – luck be that fickle friend in the gambling game, blessing us with wins and cursing us with losses. Gamblers, man, they fixate on those massive scores, straight-up forgettin' the stacks they've dropped along the way. Gotta keep it real – gambling's just entertainment, so keep that bankroll in check, and don't risk more than you can handle. Am I right?

Recent studies show that gamblers believe they got the Midas touch, thinking they can control the game's outcome. That's how they end up losing. But hey, there are ways to boost your odds, like rocking those basic strategies and steering clear of sketchy bets. Just keep a level head, set their boundaries, and never try to recoup the losses, right?

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March 27, 2023, 01:34:47 PM
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Aside from the house edge always winning gamblers and most losing players in every casino, the house they have the capability to control the game, not the gambler can ever control the game, unless the casino has a high reputation and many gamblers play, in this kind of situation it can be said that a gambler can be lucky to win and bad luck to lose.
Smile!!! No gambler is wins, the matter how luck the gambler is, he would definitely loss some games in some days. And the same to the opposite, no gambler is always loss, there must be a day that you will win even though it is a small amount of money. Even at this state, the game can still win if he has lucky in that game. Though it is difficult since he is not controlling the game.
in gambling there will be bad days and there will be good days where gamblers will feel victory or defeat and it all depends on luck.
we can't see how lucky all gamblers are. I know when someone has lost a large amount of gambling the next day, he gets a bigger win than the previous loss.

like when someone gambles in slot games loses $300 with minimum bet. the next day the gambler returns with the same gamble budget but increases the bet amount and ends up getting a big multiplier reaching maxwin.
that's what I'm saying there are bad days and lucky days.
I'm with you 100% – luck be that fickle friend in the gambling game, blessing us with wins and cursing us with losses. Gamblers, man, they fixate on those massive scores, straight-up forgettin' the stacks they've dropped along the way. Gotta keep it real – gambling's just entertainment, so keep that bankroll in check, and don't risk more than you can handle. Am I right?

Recent studies show that gamblers believe they got the Midas touch, thinking they can control the game's outcome. That's how they end up losing. But hey, there are ways to boost your odds, like rocking those basic strategies and steering clear of sketchy bets. Just keep a level head, set their boundaries, and never try to recoup the losses, right?

Sense of golden touch is really a problem among gamblers, and many people start gambling being aware of the statement: "when you win, then you can't stop and lose everything you won", so they tell themselves that it's easy to stop when they win. And real deal happens that they start losing without any wins at all, but continue making bets, they are just unaware that it works not only in the way that "its hard to stop winning", but also in the way that it's hard to stop losing.

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