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March 07, 2023, 11:20:44 PM
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There would be too much data to store and the method to accurately pinpoint how many views a reply got for desktop/mobile scrolling would require too much unnecessary functionality. If it were to just increase the view count of all replies based on page visit, that would be a little easier to implement but inaccurate (as I might visit a page but not read all replies, so counting my reply view is not accurate). It's a good idea in theory, in a world where real-time user experience and functionality precision are at a maximum with no expense to resources or required code. We aren't in this world here on BitcoinTalk yet (I don't think any forum software is, just yet), let alone majority of the web.
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March 08, 2023, 12:29:36 AM
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I know for a fact that some forums do store this information, since I've dabbled in forum software before. However, I can't remember the default implementation of Simple Machines software. Although, that doesn't matter, as I pointed out the privacy page suggests that this sort of information is stored, albeit not for very long. While it's not specific, I suspect the two entries:
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Suggests this information is stored, but not what the OP was requesting, i.e a view counter for each post made in a thread.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's highly impossible for some forum to register this information. Because it would weigh too much on the database unnecessarily.
That's why it's removed periodically from the database, likely pruned automatically for the most part.


Yes, that information exists but not in the way the OP says, and that's not even how it's implemented.
One thing is the statistics system of a site/server. It logs all visitor IPs from all pages. And it is this information that I understand is recorded, as the privacy page says.

What the OP suggests, is the forum's database, record all the usernames of those who visit the topic. Of the various forum systems I've worked with, I've never seen one doing that type of registration. I believe it is possible, but only in very small forums that this is viable.

One thing is to list all the IPs that visit a site page. That's a simple list.
Another thing is to keep the information that users A, B, and C visited topics X, Y, and Z.

Attention, I am not saying that it is not possible, I am just saying that it is something that forces you to store a very large number of information, which is 99% of cases is completely unnecessary.

Even though it's something possible to do, I don't know anyone who has done it. But, I admit I could be wrong.

So I have serious doubts that this type of registration is done here. At the very least, there is a log record of all the visits that a page has, which is not even linked to the forum DB and in turn, it will not be possible (or difficult) to link the two pieces of information to each other.

But then, I'm an administrator and I could confirm. I could be wrong.

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March 08, 2023, 04:13:38 AM
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I don't see how it would be useful. Regarding second example, I don't think it's got anything to do with decentralization and this forum ain't it anyway. Have seen similar feature on some sites and they increase page loading times.

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March 08, 2023, 05:35:34 AM
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Too complex and gimmicky.

Like how would each reply view count, if a viewer scrolls past a bunch of replies? Anonymous visitors count? Etc...

I don't see how it would be useful. Regarding second example, I don't think it's got anything to do with decentralization and this forum ain't it anyway. Have seen similar feature on some sites and they increase page loading times.

No doubt about it.

My websites used to have those social sharing widget which slides from the side of the pages and that thing took a whole chunk of extra loading time. Had to get rid of it.

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March 08, 2023, 07:50:35 AM
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Currently Bitcointalk provide total number of views of each thread in any section. This feature is available without any extension and no need of any other third party help. I am thinking of total number of view of each reply. Is it possible to see how many times our reply has been seen by unique users?
it will look like this.
The way it counts total number of views is not accurate. Views don't indicate that X amount of people viewed the thread, they just show that thread was visited/refreshed by X times. One can refresh thread and abuse that number. To my mind, it would be better if thread views were counted as one for each IP instead of one per refresh.

And what you say, can't be implemented on this forum because forum software is outdated. Even if we could to implement view counter, I think that would require much work, we definitely wouldn't be able to know who actually read it and who just scrolled down. Imagine Facebook or Youtube implementing view counter for comments, would be very useless, doesn't really matter. What matters is how much people viewed the thread and if we modified view numbers as one view per IP, that alone would be a good option.

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March 08, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
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the privacy page suggests that this sort of information is stored, albeit not for very long. While it's not specific, I suspect the two entries:
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The explanation on that page makes sense: "Regularly use the link which marks individual sections or the entire forum as read" to reduce this logging. Without this, I couldn't use the (very convenient) new button to jump to the latest unread posts.
However, logging which topics were read doesn't mean I've seen all posts. I don't think the forum stores which pages of the Wall Observer I've seen.

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And what you say, can't be implemented on this forum because forum software is outdated. Even if we could to implement view counter, I think that would require much work, we definitely wouldn't be able to know who actually read it and who just scrolled down. Imagine Facebook or Youtube implementing view counter for comments, would be very useless, doesn't really matter. What matters is how much people viewed the thread and if we modified view numbers as one view per IP, that alone would be a good option.

This obligatorily store a lot of irrelevant information.

Imagine that this information was recorded in a txt file. Each topic had to have a file. And each time a user enters the topic, his name is registered in the file.
We have topics with more than 100,000 views, which would require that text file to have 100,000 lines, each with the name of a user.
That made that file occupy 1 or 2 MB. If we multiply that by 100,000 topics, we're talking about 100 GB of information, just to say which users visited a topic.

Do you really think that any site will waste 100 GB to store this type of information?
Only do this if it is something very important for your operation, otherwise not.



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Yes. This type of record is normal on all servers, this information is not linked to the forum database. That is, normally it is not possible to link this data with the DB information.

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For the sake of being anonymous i think it is better to always have it as it has been, since we can see the numbers of views without knowing who is viewing and not commenting, you can't even know who view your post and reported it, some features were there just to be left as it is because of privacy, since we only have the right to see those giving a reply under the thread, this viewing features is what is common with other social media networks like Facebook, whereby you know who view your comments or status posts, this is why bitcointalk is different from social media networks.

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March 08, 2023, 08:08:53 PM
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The explanation on that page makes sense: "Regularly use the link which marks individual sections or the entire forum as read" to reduce this logging. Without this, I couldn't use the (very convenient) new button to jump to the latest unread posts.
However, logging which topics were read doesn't mean I've seen all posts. I don't think the forum stores which pages of the Wall Observer I've seen.
I'm not entirely sure, I've never really taken enough notice on how the unread posts work, and can't verify it right now due to recently marking all posts as read. I'll keep an eye out in the following days. Since, the forum has to keep track of unread posts somehow, I'm wondering to what extent does it log to keep track of that. Whether, it's done page by page or not.

Isn't this just normal web server behaviour?
Possibly, obviously the information on that page is rather vague. Doesn't really say exactly what's being recorded to the database, and what isn't. I imagine the forum hasn't been altered too much from the original Simple Machines in this regard. Obviously, it has been heavily modified, but I'm not sure if theymos would've made changes to this specific behaviour compared to the default, so we could potentially take a look at how SMF does it by default. Whether, it records each individuals access to each page.

However, the other entry is obviously easy to identify what sort of information is stored, which is pretty standard on most forums.

Imagine that this information was recorded in a txt file. Each topic had to have a file. And each time a user enters the topic, his name is registered in the file.
We have topics with more than 100,000 views, which would require that text file to have 100,000 lines, each with the name of a user.
That made that file occupy 1 or 2 MB. If we multiply that by 100,000 topics, we're talking about 100 GB of information, just to say which users visited a topic.
This suggests it does:
Log of all viewed topics
This pretty much confirms it:
Regularly use the link which marks individual sections or the entire forum as read. This deletes all past individual-topic logs on the marked-read boards. Or view sensitive topics only while logged off.
From my interpretation (especially the part I've made bold within the quote), the second quote confirms that it keeps track of each user viewing a thread, since it suggests you can kind of obfuscate this via marking all existing threads as read. So, while it doesn't record in to a text file in the example you've given, it does record each thread a user has visited. The forum isn't doing anything with that, and you're quite right if you were too display who has visited a thread along the lines of what the OP was suggesting, it would quickly rack up the storage required since you'd need to store it for a lot longer than the forum current does. Since, the logging that is done currently, gets cleared after a while, so it's not a big deal:
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From my interpretation (especially the part I've made bold within the quote), the second quote confirms that it keeps track of each user viewing a thread, since it suggests you can kind of obfuscate this via marking all existing threads as read. So, while it doesn't record in to a text file in the example you've given, it does record each thread a user has visited. The forum isn't doing anything with that, and you're quite right if you were too display who has visited a thread along the lines of what the OP was suggesting, it would quickly rack up the storage required since you'd need to store it for a lot longer than the forum current does. Since, the logging that is done currently, gets cleared after a while, so it's not a big deal:
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When you mentioned the "unread messages" aspect, it got me thinking. So I went to dig deeper into this subject.

Unfortunately, the information I found is not very clear, as it implies that there are several ways for this information to be recorded, to avoid the accumulation of data.

The clarification I found most logical on the subject was here: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=212330.msg1670919#msg1670919

From what I understand, SMF has a table in the database, which registers entries every time a user enters the topic.

Sorry, I was wrong about this issue. I apologize!  Embarrassed

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Actually i was just thinking about first one mean only View counter. and i was thinking only unique view will be counted. i was thinking it will be helpful to see if how much users viewed my post but reading all replies from Experts now i think its just increasing traffic to this forum and it will not get specific result that i want.

i observe that thread views are counted by number of time and its not based on unique visitor to Thread. js there any way to Check unique visitor?

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i observe that thread views are counted by number of time and its not based on unique visitor to Thread. js there any way to Check unique visitor?


Haven't found a clear display count formula ever posted by mods, the solution will be more difficult if you wanna calculate independently. Imo the number will be far less than the number of views currently being tallied and for anyone with an interest in traffic probably won't be picking up on the results from unique visitors.

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Last edit: March 13, 2023, 07:02:36 AM by Eureka_07
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It could be compared to adding view counts to every comment in YouTube videos, Facebook posts, and Twitter Tweets. Although it has a functionality of knowing how many views a comment got, it does not have enough relevance, so it wasn’t implemented.

In my opinion, view count feature should only be implemented to modules/systems where there are people that validates other’s activities, a task/project management software for example.

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