Americans go to Mexico for medicals to cut costs.

[NotATether]

I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems.

There is an avalanche of people who will violently disagree with you on the economic and political parts, but it's easy to be naive and believe that the US can offer good healthcare for all (provided that you can afford it).

But, that's not true either. Even though they have some of the best hospitals, there is too much bureaucratic activity from insurance companies to let you get the best possible treatment. It's not uncommon to get a mediocre treatment just because of some silly policy made by the hospital mangement.

I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

It's pretty dangerous to cross the border to Mexico with all these drug gangs roaming about. It kind of puts out the anti-immigration rhetoric flames as well.

greatt point stated - America is a great place if you have not visited America in your life you have not visited the world, they have great customers services - great ethics and wonderful business rules

Visit, probably. Living there, however, is a different matter, especially if you don't have much money.

[Synchronice]

Compare European healthcare to American healthcare, do you prefer the USA model? The USA is too much into capitalism, a little bit socialism is necessary.

Frankly, I share your view in this regard, still, there are local government-controlled hospitals that are accessible to the people. This might not be enough but you should be aware that the standard of living in the US is high and their medical insurance system is top-notch for those that plan their lives well. For this, many would be able to afford it, and it's also a means of generating more money for the economy.

Nonetheless, when anyone can't afford it, they can go to another country for the same service, e.g neighbouring countries.

I don't say that it's impossible with American salaries to get medical treatment in the USA, no, I mean, why should product X cost 20 times more in the USA than in Turkey? Yeah, the USA generates a lot of money by doing so but at the very cost of people, 2000% margin profit is not normal or any good.
While I like American model very much and don't wanna feed lazy asses by me working hard and they getting housing and all the other benefits, the only thing where I would make exception is education and healthcare: I think everyone deserves to have access to high quality education and normal healthcare, especially poor people because no one knows what kind of potential anyone carries, maybe this poor guy will positively change the world tomorrow.

And long-term, if the USA keep enormous prices, they'll lose. If you ask anyone about medical thing, Turkey comes to their mind. The quality of healthcare is getting higher and higher in Turkey but prices are lower. When clinic X offers me the same quality of service in the USA and clinic Y offers me absolutely the same in Turkey but with 10x lower price, definitely I'll go in clinic Y and I'll tell my friends to go there. This is a process where Turkey is gaining attention, reputation and I believe, long-term it's not beneficial for the USA.

[milewilda]

The reason that made US companies set up their business or factory in another country is the same reason why people could go elsewhere to access the facilities and services that the US could provide. Cost is the factor! Medical tourism is not an exception, people are trying to cut costs, and if the alternative could deliver the same service or almost the same service, then it's a good bargain as far as I'm concerned.

By doing that, some people must have cut more than divided by 4 of what they would have spent in the US, particularly during this time of inflation.

I think that no country should move factories in another country. It's weakening country and making another one stronger. Yeah, one can take an advantage for a while but long-term, it's destroying. I think, at some point, it's manually done by big countries to push poor countries to work on low salaries. Move factories there, give them salary low enough to buy only food and then push them to work a lot. This way, you keep labor cheap, make them tired enough with low salary to not be able to develop themselves and benefit your own country. Why should an American retard youtuber get paid more than a very hard-working person in factory whose work actually benefits the society and hundreds of people.
But high medical costs in the USA are far from that reason. As far as I know, medical business, in terms of pricing, is absolutely unregulated in the USA. There is no logical reason that makes X service in the USA to cost 20x more than in Turkey. It's more likely a cartel between the hospitals/pharmacy, insurance agencies and the government.

You are getting something wrong here, the US like any other country can never enslave their citizen, and mind you, many countries are coming to the US for tourism, it could be medical and others, so money is moving in and out of every country. This is why you should have good service and a reasonable price. If a Yankee that earns a little could not afford to pay medical bills in the US but could easily do that in another country that will serve the same service, won't such go? Or do you want the government of the US to stop them? No, my friend.

As for the YouTuber's narration, this is a misconception, markets vary. What the medicals are paying is not what factories, farms and others are paying, it all varies. A booming market is different from a dull market. The social media market is rich and booming, you can't expect those that keep it active to be paid less while the companies pocket billions of dollars yearly.

Frankly, some are spending huge amounts on their channels, they deserve the huge payments.

greatt point stated - America is a great place if you have not visited America in your life you have not visited the world, they have great customers services - great ethics and wonderful business rules

How i badly wish to step into this country but of course VISA and visit i do believe is strict as hell plus a very expensive one specially if you do came to a third world country which is something that very understandable. Even just simply looking on movies or videos then you could really say that this is a great country in all aspects but of course i dont dig deeper when it comes to politics or something in the negative side. Going back into the top in speaking about cost of living there would really be not that cheap. We know that inequality is something a global problem which cant really be that avoided or something inevitable
or really have that kind of exemption.

There would be always those people who dont earn that much and everyday living would be always a challenge.If you are someone who do earn up decent then you would be able to
survive and wont be minding in regarding expenses or what but if you are that average joe who do earn only sufficient then you would really be mindful on things which
you could be able to save up at least no matter how small it would be.

[slapper]

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How i badly wish to step into this country but of course VISA and visit i do believe is strict as hell plus a very expensive one specially if you do came to a third world country which is something that very understandable. Even just simply looking on movies or videos then you could really say that this is a great country in all aspects but of course i dont dig deeper when it comes to politics or something in the negative side. Going back into the top in speaking about cost of living there would really be not that cheap. We know that inequality is something a global problem which cant really be that avoided or something inevitable
or really have that kind of exemption.

There would be always those people who dont earn that much and everyday living would be always a challenge.If you are someone who do earn up decent then you would be able to
survive and wont be minding in regarding expenses or what but if you are that average joe who do earn only sufficient then you would really be mindful on things which
you could be able to save up at least no matter how small it would be.

I got it, buddy. How do you deal with living in a world when the gaps between people are as high as skyscrapers? Painful. Yet, if you're dealt a lemon in life, you should turn it into lemonade, right? The majors!

Try to be creative with what we’ve got and figure out how to make it go further. Gather a group, divide up the resources, and help one another out. You may also establish a business and provide us and other people with fantastic opportunities.

The choices, my buddy, are virtually limitless. Maintain a positive attitude and an open mind. Perhaps we can change the world for the better. Reckon on it!

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't say that it's impossible with American salaries to get medical treatment in the USA, no, I mean, why should product X cost 20 times more in the USA than in Turkey?

You should know this already, 'It's called the stand of living.' You can't compare the standard of living in the US with that of Turkey. Even the power of their currencies varies, and the exchange rate of the USD in Turkey and most countries will make it feel that it is worth more. But it's still the same USD in the US, and its effect can't be felt the way it will be felt outside the country.

Yeah, the USA generates a lot of money by doing so but at the very cost of people, 2000% margin profit is not normal or any good.
While I like American model very much and don't wanna feed lazy asses by me working hard and they getting housing and all the other benefits, the only thing where I would make exception is education and healthcare: I think everyone deserves to have access to high quality education and normal healthcare, especially poor people because no one knows what kind of potential anyone carries, maybe this poor guy will positively change the world tomorrow.

I can't blame the US for this, they have a good trade balance most times, they don't force countries, and they produce attractive goods and services that other countries might not be able to resist. To further with, the US is more capitalist and the government is not the one taking money directly from other countries, however, the citizens who gain through the system are entitled to pay their dues. I see no chetaing here. It's their standard and a floating market system and I believe is pure economics, therefore you shouldn't blame them for that. No true economist would.

And long-term, if the USA keep enormous prices, they'll lose. If you ask anyone about medical thing, Turkey comes to their mind. The quality of healthcare is getting higher and higher in Turkey but prices are lower. When clinic X offers me the same quality of service in the USA and clinic Y offers me absolutely the same in Turkey but with 10x lower price, definitely I'll go in clinic Y and I'll tell my friends to go there. This is a process where Turkey is gaining attention, reputation and I believe, long-term it's not beneficial for the USA.

This is affecting them truly, it's one of the reasons why countries are turning to China and the like, even US companies go elsewhere to set up their factories to produce less costly goods. But the US still remains atop, for how long? I can't say. Nevertheless, the thing that is certain is that the US can't reduce their standard for any country or trade, they get to this level due to the economic boom and floating market.

Some countries with good standards of living and valuable currencies will continue to patronise them.

[Jamala]

The U.S. has the highest quality healthcare system in the world, but it costs too much partly because of the regulatory framework that exists around it. It's inherently anti-competitive. Universal healthcare isn't the answer if you want to maintain high quality healthcare that isn't rationed there's an attainable middle ground that doesn't involve government subsidies.

Mexico has cheaper healthcare, but lower quality. It isn't a bad option for people.

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

Just as a side note -- I'd wait for more information on this before we call medical tourism in Mexico dangerous. Seems odd Mexican cartels would target random U.S. citizens who were on their way for a cosmetic procedure. It's possible they were complicit in nefarious activities.

I don't think medical tourist in Mexico is as dangerous as people insinuate. When procedures in the US are of "high" quality and expensive, it becomes a weapon against poorer people who can't afford it here in the States. It's natural to seek alternative services if the ones nearer you are at cut-throat prices.

[Synchronice]

I don't say that it's impossible with American salaries to get medical treatment in the USA, no, I mean, why should product X cost 20 times more in the USA than in Turkey?

You should know this already, 'It's called the stand of living.' You can't compare the standard of living in the US with that of Turkey. Even the power of their currencies varies, and the exchange rate of the USD in Turkey and most countries will make it feel that it is worth more. But it's still the same USD in the US, and its effect can't be felt the way it will be felt outside the country.

Maybe you don't understand. You can't compare the standard of living of Germany to some of the developing countries, for example, to Zimbabwe but really a lot of foods in Zimbabwe cost more than in Germany. And I've been in some small countries that have low monthly salaries but import things and holy shit, chocolate and chips were three times more expensive than in Germany and somehow there were small supermarkets on every foot step.

So, that's why I say that pharma companies are robbing people in the USA. Materials cost the same, equipment costs the same, I believe there is no astronomical difference in production and delivery expenses. But you know what? There is an oligopoly on market and these companies do price fixing, maximizing the already enormously high profits and paying some money to the government to keep their mouth shut. That's what makes insulin and other medicines to cost that high in the USA, nothing else.
And high standard of living means when you earn high and spend low to fulfill your needs. If you earn high and spend high, then it's just an illusion to think you have higher salary than any person who lives in developing country if the cost/income/spend ratio is the same. But that's not so in the USA, we all know that.

Yeah, the USA generates a lot of money by doing so but at the very cost of people, 2000% margin profit is not normal or any good.
While I like American model very much and don't wanna feed lazy asses by me working hard and they getting housing and all the other benefits, the only thing where I would make exception is education and healthcare: I think everyone deserves to have access to high quality education and normal healthcare, especially poor people because no one knows what kind of potential anyone carries, maybe this poor guy will positively change the world tomorrow.

I can't blame the US for this, they have a good trade balance most times, they don't force countries, and they produce attractive goods and services that other countries might not be able to resist. To further with, the US is more capitalist and the government is not the one taking money directly from other countries, however, the citizens who gain through the system are entitled to pay their dues. I see no chetaing here. It's their standard and a floating market system and I believe is pure economics, therefore you shouldn't blame them for that. No true economist would.

I don't really understand what's the connection between that quote of mine and your reply.

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't say that it's impossible with American salaries to get medical treatment in the USA, no, I mean, why should product X cost 20 times more in the USA than in Turkey?

You should know this already, 'It's called the stand of living.' You can't compare the standard of living in the US with that of Turkey. Even the power of their currencies varies, and the exchange rate of the USD in Turkey and most countries will make it feel that it is worth more. But it's still the same USD in the US, and its effect can't be felt the way it will be felt outside the country.

Maybe you don't understand. You can't compare the standard of living of Germany to some of the developing countries, for example, to Zimbabwe but really a lot of foods in Zimbabwe cost more than in Germany. And I've been in some small countries that have low monthly salaries but import things and holy shit, chocolate and chips were three times more expensive than in Germany and somehow there were small supermarkets on every foot step.

So, that's why I say that pharma companies are robbing people in the USA. Materials cost the same, equipment costs the same, I believe there is no astronomical difference in production and delivery expenses. But you know what? There is an oligopoly on market and these companies do price fixing, maximizing the already enormously high profits and paying some money to the government to keep their mouth shut. That's what makes insulin and other medicines to cost that high in the USA, nothing else.
And high standard of living means when you earn high and spend low to fulfill your needs. If you earn high and spend high, then it's just an illusion to think you have higher salary than any person who lives in developing country if the cost/income/spend ratio is the same. But that's not so in the USA, we all know that.

I quite understand you, but it's you that didn't understand me, you are actually not following this in the part of economics. The first thing you should consider is that if the US is exporting expensive things, they are equally importing expensive things (e.g. Of the one I know, my country sells goods to the US in the value of how they sell it in the country (US), not the value of what it worth in my country. Sometimes, they will sell it 5 times more), which could be traced to their standard of living and the strength of their currency. Generally, the power of the US currency and their living standard are like a two-edged sword for them, it could be seen as both advantageous and disadvantageous, especially when dealing with external countries, you are only seeing it in the disadvantageous view which can't balance the scenario. Every country has their standards, while some are better or worse than the US in some cases.

Also, think of where the medical and pharmaceutical equipment is being produced, if it's majorly within the US, then there is no way it will not be costly because of their standard. And thankfully, insurance is working well in the country, the government has thought well on this, which is why their "Medicaid" is fully functional.

It's the external people that would need to plan their medical tourism which I don't see as a by-force to come to the US for it.

[Synchronice]

I quite understand you, but it's you that didn't understand me, you are actually not following this in the part of economics. The first thing you should consider is that if the US is exporting expensive things, they are equally importing expensive things (e.g. Of the one I know, my country sells goods to the US in the value of how they sell it in the country (US), not the value of what it worth in my country. Sometimes, they will sell it 5 times more), which could be traced to their standard of living and the strength of their currency. Generally, the power of the US currency and their living standard are like a two-edged sword for them, it could be seen as both advantageous and disadvantageous, especially when dealing with external countries, you are only seeing it in the disadvantageous view which can't balance the scenario. Every country has their standards, while some are better or worse than the US in some cases.

Also, think of where the medical and pharmaceutical equipment is being produced, if it's majorly within the US, then there is no way it will not be costly because of their standard. And thankfully, insurance is working well in the country, the government has thought well on this, which is why their "Medicaid" is fully functional.

It's the external people that would need to plan their medical tourism which I don't see as a by-force to come to the US for it.

If product costs X in your country and 5X in the USA, it doesn't mean that your local company sells it 5 times higher. I would even say that middleman companies may buy it in cheaper price from your local company and manage all the staff to sell it expensively in the USA but that's a different task.
Standards are very high in Switzerland, Germany, France and in some other European countries too, like Spain, Italy, UK. Do you know that actually according to 2018's study, it costs roughly $2 to $4 to produce a vial of analog insulin? Do you know that pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars to make sure that cheaper generics don't get produced? Check this article of Vox. Do you know that republicans blocked cap on insulin costs?

[firesurfer]

There are too many expenses in the hospital and can make a person bankrupt overnight. Going to another place closer and easier like Mexico will save a lot of money. That is smart thinking.
A one-time cure does not necessarily improve health immediately, it is a process. Many people choose countries in Asia to be treated by traditional methods.

[Iroh]

I don't think medical tourist in Mexico is as dangerous as people insinuate. When procedures in the US are of "high" quality and expensive, it becomes a weapon against poorer people who can't afford it here in the States. It's natural to seek alternative services if the ones nearer you are at cut-throat prices.

People aren’t just insinuating. The US state department has a do not travel advisory warning to its citizens not to travel to some states in Mexico. If you would read the OP, you would note it was mentioned that Americans who crossed over to Mexico for a medical procedure were kidnapped and unfortunately, two from the lot died. If that’s not dangerous, I don’t know what is.

Kidnapping as well as other violent crimes carried out by drug gangs and cartels in a certain areas does not make those places safe for the citizens not less foreigners coming in for either work or pleasure or both.  Insecurity would always hinder tourism in any locale and medical tourism isn’t left out.
Just a few states in Mexico are deemed dangerous and generally, I think Mexico could be considered safe. You’ve just got to avoid certain areas.

[cydrix]

Most likely, it will just be done to reduce expenses. People are looking for alternatives that give the same quality but at a lower price due to the rising cost of goods. Due to the extremely high cost of international flights in my country, the same behavior may be seen even among residents who visit other nations to book foreign flights. Even though they perceive no significant differences between the services provided by the two parties in relation to one having a higher cost than the other, people frequently experience increased tension when they are aware that something is cost-beneficial.

[Rabata]

There are too many expenses in the hospital and can make a person bankrupt overnight. Going to another place closer and easier like Mexico will save a lot of money. That is smart thinking.
A one-time cure does not necessarily improve health immediately, it is a process. Many people choose countries in Asia to be treated by traditional methods.

In this era of globalization, people carefully review their expenses in any activity. In which area expenses are lower, demand for everything is high. Even tough America is the most sufficient countries in the world but it is very natural that people will go elsewhere to meet their expenses. I would agree with you that there are many people in the world who come to Asia for medical treatment. On hand their good treatment and on the other hand reducing the cost of money can be the main motive of that particular people.

[Fortify]

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

It's not a new or particularly unsurprising phenomenon and takes place in many regions across the world. The fact is that there are massive cost disparities across borders which means that medical staff, facilities and supplies of the same standard can be much cheaper. It happens in Europe with people travelling to places like Turkey for surgery. However there can be some more lax standards in general so you really need to understand the quality of the service you'll get or it can be disastrous for your health.

[Mate2237]

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

Nobody knows the human body system finished. That is why there are some incumbent president in the world also died from diseases upon all the wealth of the nation. I was also thinking the same with the OP that American has the best medical facilities to cure any disease but from what OP is say that is not true again. And as for the cost I know that Medical services in America is more higher than other countries across the globe. And another reason which I also thought that is making the Americans to visit other countries for medical services because the Americans government do not carry along the poor class (the average) in the mind. That is why cost of living is high. And those who can not afford the bills have to travel out for proper care.

[coupable]

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

According to the statistics of the World Health Organization, the healthcare system in Mexico is ranked among the most advanced in the world. The private hospital centers in Mexico are similar in quality and level of health care to those in the United States. This mainly includes accommodation and post-treatment care.
And during my research on the subject, I was able to deduce some of the reasons that encourage Americans to go to Mexico for treatment :
- Medical treatment costs in Mexico: which are very low compared to their counterparts in America, amounting to more than 50 percent less. For example, in plastic surgery, a facelift costs up to $18,000 in America, while it does not exceed $4,500 in Mexico, with an average savings of close to 70 percent.
- Convergence of cultures: since they are two neighboring countries and all Mexican doctors are fluent in English.
- Insurance coverage: Insurance companies provide coverage for travelers coming from outside Mexico at differential prices to encourage more turnout.

This site presents useful data on the state of health services in Mexico, which is encouraging not only for Americans, but for almost the entire population of the continent : https://www.health-tourism.com/

[Captain Corporate]

I don't know if traveling accross the world gig still a funny joke or a reality anymore, but there are stuff you could literally move across the globe, live in some other nation for a whole year, get treatment, come back to USA and still pay less than what you would have paid in USA. This was a joke about hip replacement as far as I can remember but that is the reality they live in. In Turkey we have both private and public hospitals, a great way if you ask me, if you are a poor person you go to the public one, our taxes pay for it, and everyone gets nearly free, something tiny like a few bucks last I checked (17 lira, literally less than a dollar) for the appointment, and medicine is free too, well not free but once again, about a dollar, nothing. But if you are rich, we have world class hospitals too ,places you can get every bit of you checked if you are willing to pay for it. The difference is that I took an appointment for MR at a public one, they gave me appointment for 42 days later, obviously I said screw that and went to private one which cost me just 80 dollars, but our healthcare system is amazing compared to USA, or even UK, one of the few things I would say perfect levels, we may lack many things, but healthcare system is top notch. USA? You would spend 5k just for root canal to a single teeth, I am sorry but if you can't fix that, then you don't want to fix it, because anyone who wants to fix it, could do that in a second. As long as American politicians get bribes from medicine industry, they will not work towards ever fixing it.

[firesurfer]

There are too many expenses in the hospital and can make a person bankrupt overnight. Going to another place closer and easier like Mexico will save a lot of money. That is smart thinking.
A one-time cure does not necessarily improve health immediately, it is a process. Many people choose countries in Asia to be treated by traditional methods.

In this era of globalization, people carefully review their expenses in any activity. In which area expenses are lower, demand for everything is high. Even tough America is the most sufficient countries in the world but it is very natural that people will go elsewhere to meet their expenses. I would agree with you that there are many people in the world who come to Asia for medical treatment. On hand their good treatment and on the other hand reducing the cost of money can be the main motive of that particular people.

Sure. People are living in a flat world thanks to the internet, the development of communication and medicine.
Medical companies are inherently swindlers, earning the highest possible profit on the health of their patients. This has been condemned for many years. There are many medical-related cases. Most recently related to the treatment of COVID-19 patients.

[og kush420]

There are too many expenses in the hospital and can make a person bankrupt overnight. Going to another place closer and easier like Mexico will save a lot of money. That is smart thinking.
A one-time cure does not necessarily improve health immediately, it is a process. Many people choose countries in Asia to be treated by traditional methods.

In this era of globalization, people carefully review their expenses in any activity. In which area expenses are lower, demand for everything is high. Even tough America is the most sufficient countries in the world but it is very natural that people will go elsewhere to meet their expenses. I would agree with you that there are many people in the world who come to Asia for medical treatment. On hand their good treatment and on the other hand reducing the cost of money can be the main motive of that particular people.

Sure. People are living in a flat world thanks to the internet, the development of communication and medicine.
Medical companies are inherently swindlers, earning the highest possible profit on the health of their patients. This has been condemned for many years. There are many medical-related cases. Most recently related to the treatment of COVID-19 patients.

we have spent the COVID attack at home once I took my mother to hosp and we didnt get up for aprox 10 days. Its better to take self medication when there are minor issues

[FUCKBSVFUCK]

I agree that the Americans are not in the best country for medical services, because the cost of medical tourism is high, and they would probably find the best doctors to treat the patients. Because the cost of health and the cost of physical health is high, people will definitely go to their country for cheap, and their costs would be so much lower. The cost of living is high, but we don't think that most people would use medicine for this, because they will be able to afford it in the end.