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March 09, 2023, 03:03:48 AM
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Everyone focuses on cryptocurrencies against the US Dollar,
But by using cross margin trades from crypto-to-crypto, such as XMR/BTC or FIL/ETH, you can isolate your bet to ignore the overall market. This helps you make more money for less risk. Learn more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5JMtzGSaRI
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March 09, 2023, 07:32:06 AM
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Everyone focuses on cryptocurrencies against the US Dollar,
But by using cross margin trades from crypto-to-crypto, such as XMR/BTC or FIL/ETH,

Altcoin/BTC trading pairs were popular up until 2018. After that market shifted to trading against stablecoins and Altcoin/BTC  or altcoin/ETH trading pairs day by day were losing volume and liquidity more and more and thus the spread became unacceptable and the low volume only makes AT on these pairs practically meaningless, because this chart is only the result of other charts. There is no real volume. Just arbitrage traders and marketmakers. also flash crash is much more likely.
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March 09, 2023, 06:10:49 PM
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Everyone focuses on cryptocurrencies against the US Dollar,
But by using cross margin trades from crypto-to-crypto, such as XMR/BTC or FIL/ETH, you can isolate your bet to ignore the overall market. This helps you make more money for less risk. Learn more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5JMtzGSaRI

Everything in this space depends on Fiat; when it comes to Fiat, the dollar is king. The scenario you promoted here is possible in a bull market but in a bear market when everything is dumping daily, you run for safety and try to keep your money as much as possible in USD. Before trade against Bitcoin used to be very dominant but after the 2018 bear run, most exchanges opened USDT trade pair to help reduce the bleed, especially among the Altcoins

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March 09, 2023, 08:24:11 PM
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Depending on the trader on what's profitable on him and what's visible that has the opportunity to make such trades.

At the same time, if there's a chance to arbitrage with such pairs then I guess that there are traders that won't let it pass because as long as it can be done and doable, that's where it's being made.

Do what makes you comfortable, if it's an altcoin and bitcoin pair and you're making money there, do it or if it's a dollar pair, choose your battle.

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March 28, 2023, 11:57:52 PM
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Everyone focuses on cryptocurrencies against the US Dollar,
But by using cross margin trades from crypto-to-crypto, such as XMR/BTC or FIL/ETH, you can isolate your bet to ignore the overall market. This helps you make more money for less risk.
There's still risk, and probably a lot of it depending on how the market moves. Sometimes they move upwards and downward together, other times they move in opposite directions.

The other problem is that it's hard to analyze the market movements between the crypto pairs as compared to the general cryptos vs the USD. I have been there before.

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March 29, 2023, 08:16:05 AM
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I understand this and see that forgetfulness through every market cycle, but generally not everyone will see and be skilled enough to master this skill in the market.

Risk and return will still exist, nothing is completely true with the current volatile market, so I don't want to impose more than one formula or pattern that only gets us stuck with your investment.
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March 29, 2023, 09:06:03 AM
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Everyone focuses on cryptocurrencies against the US Dollar,
But by using cross margin trades from crypto-to-crypto, such as XMR/BTC or FIL/ETH,

Altcoin/BTC trading pairs were popular up until 2018. After that market shifted to trading against stablecoins and Altcoin/BTC  or altcoin/ETH trading pairs day by day were losing volume and liquidity more and more and thus the spread became unacceptable and the low volume only makes AT on these pairs practically meaningless, because this chart is only the result of other charts. There is no real volume. Just arbitrage traders and marketmakers. also flash crash is much more likely.

I think it was popular a bit after that as I traded a few times around 2-3 years ago some bitcoin for altcoin. That time it was possible to find ‘value’ and made some profit out of it. Nowadays I just buy all coins with fiat money.



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March 30, 2023, 06:51:19 PM
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I understand this and see that forgetfulness through every market cycle, but generally not everyone will see and be skilled enough to master this skill in the market.

Risk and return will still exist, nothing is completely true with the current volatile market, so I don't want to impose more than one formula or pattern that only gets us stuck with your investment.
They won't see it if they don't make constant researching on how to improve their trades and how they will know if they can't handle it if they themselves won't try it? We better not judge our ability first only with our instincts and if ever we fail at our earlier tries, we can continue trying again and again. I am sure that time will come will now be able to master it. The key is to not give up and lose hope easily.

Volatile market in crypto is true. Can you see the ups and downs in the price? There is nothing wrong in implementing more than one or two strategies but they are in fact beneficial because we can switch on them when the market switches on the other side.

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April 05, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
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Altcoin/BTC trading pairs were popular up until 2018. After that market shifted to trading against stablecoins and Altcoin/BTC  or altcoin/ETH trading pairs day by day were losing volume and liquidity more and more and thus the spread became unacceptable and the low volume only makes AT on these pairs practically meaningless, because this chart is only the result of other charts. There is no real volume. Just arbitrage traders and marketmakers. also flash crash is much more likely.

It is true since the introduction of Stablecoin more exchange is performing Coin against US Dollar,

but back year ago trade with other type coin is popular the things is trade with other coin is the volatility. and if you are bitcoin maximalist probably you will trade with BTC type of pair to earn more money when bitcoin price is fall

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April 05, 2023, 02:15:29 PM
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but back year ago trade with other type coin is popular the things is trade with other coin is the volatility. and if you are bitcoin maximalist probably you will trade with BTC type of pair to earn more money when bitcoin price is fall

Wouldn't it be more prudent, as a bitcoin maximalist, to trade bitcoin to stable coins when you expect a trend reversal and lower prices rather than BTC/shitcoins? And remember that bitcoin maximalists threaten all altcoins as shitcoins because they are "bitcoin maximalist"
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April 09, 2023, 09:09:09 PM
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Everyone focuses on cryptocurrencies against the US Dollar,
But by using cross margin trades from crypto-to-crypto, such as XMR/BTC or FIL/ETH, you can isolate your bet to ignore the overall market. This helps you make more money for less risk. Learn more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5JMtzGSaRI

The use of crypto to dollar orders only makes it easier for us to see the difference in prices. We can say this method with unidirectional trading. If we use crypto to crypto orders, it will look more difficult. For example XRP to BTC, BTC to XRP. On the XRP order to the Dollar chart it seems that it is experiencing an increase, but if we look at the BTC to XRP order it seems that the price is falling, this is because the BTC price is increasing. Honestly, I have a bit more difficulty using this method although it is more advantageous. Sometimes I make a three way chart, BTC to XRP to Dollar, then I know whether my order is in a profit or a loss position.

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May 02, 2023, 11:01:50 AM
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I don't know what you mean by "Dollar Neutral Cross Margin Trades" but it sounds like a lot of people are trying to get rid of it. 
 
The idea is to create a counter-strategy that is based on the fact that there is a lot of volatility in the market, and that is a good thing. 
 
If you look at the chart, you can see that the price of XMR/Euronex is $1,869.50, which is a little over the top, but it is not as big as it was back in 2017-2018. 
 
So you can see that the market is in a downtrend, and that is the opposite of what we are seeing right now.
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