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March 17, 2023, 09:50:10 AM
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We all know the quote "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" I heard this quote when I was in high school now I'm grown up. I always wondering why?

It doesn't mean that all rich people become richer because many of them had also broken for some reason.
The same thing to poor people, might some of them are really don't have the capabilities and less fortunate but some have a choice not to stay in that status and they find ways to improve their living and become rich.

It is really a matter of choice and thinking about the future. Because even these rich people are also working hard to stay rich (and even more).

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March 17, 2023, 10:41:00 AM
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Poor and Rich are 2 conditions that are greatly influenced by many things, but in general depending on 2 things, namely external and internal factors, and in my opinion the most dominant is an internal factor, as long as we always think rich and maintain these positive thoughts, positive thoughts can be maintained if We are friends with successful people and think positively.
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March 17, 2023, 01:23:30 PM
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Because a rich person have a privilege and have a lot choices rather than the poor. When a rich person want to start his own business, he spend a lot money and if it's going to bankrupt, he can create a new business without need to worry about the money they've spend. While a poor person want to start his own business, he might spend most of his money and it's going to bankrupt, he will not have any money left to create a new business.
And again a poor person if he wants to have money then he has to work full time to get paid a higher salary, and of course the salary he has is not big so it takes quite a long time for poor people to get a lot of money to start a business, and Obviously, as you said, it will be difficult for poor people to start their own business because they don't get money easily, it's different from the rich.
One more thing in my opinion that is quite influential is that children of rich people have a lot of experience managing money since they were small and their parents teach their children to save and invest because they have money and knowledge, while poor people don't have that privilege, they can only eat every day. should be grateful.

Although the rich have more advantages in starting life as well as starting a business, I think the opportunity will be divided equally between the two. Those who are intelligent and knowledgeable enough can still start a successful business and become rich. Not all rich children are talented, there are many people who rely on their parents' money, refuse to study but play debauchery, and are even part of social evils. While many poor people have the will and determination since childhood, study hard and work hard, the chances of success will also be higher.

Yes, when it comes to opportunities, of course, everyone will get them without exception, and even then, as you said, if you work hard and have knowledge, opportunities will definitely come to you, regardless of the money of the parents of a rich child, if he has the desire to do business and succeed, of course he will be more it's easy because the opportunity for privilege cannot be denied more opportunities. and that's what makes most people say the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
However, in today's era, I see that people who are consistent in their efforts and take new opportunities for the advancement of civilization will have more potential for success.

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March 17, 2023, 01:55:12 PM
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Poor and Rich are 2 conditions that are greatly influenced by many things, but in general depending on 2 things, namely external and internal factors, and in my opinion the most dominant is an internal factor, as long as we always think rich and maintain these positive thoughts, positive thoughts can be maintained if We are friends with successful people and think positively.
Yes, that's true, 2 factors are very influential in achieving success, especially internal factors such as family and environment. Moreover, in the digital age like today, knowledge is very easy to obtain, access to education is no longer a serious problem. Today's problems that need to be solved are the willingness to learn and filter the knowledge gained.
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March 17, 2023, 03:06:25 PM
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We all know the quote "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" I heard this quote when I was in high school now I'm grown up. I always wondering why?

Is it that the rich have already wealth the day they are born? Have savings and investment?

While the poor doesn't have any of those?

The point is I started in low before having some savings and investment. I'm not saying I'm already rich but I can say that I'm better than before. Can you guys share your ideas with this topic.

Not everyone becomes rich because they use the assets left by their parents, but they have to fight hard with all their efforts. besides that being rich is also part of life and that is his lifeline. Likewise with being poor, a person becomes poor because of his life provisions even though he has worked optimally, if his lifeline is poor then he is still poor in my opinion. I think there is nothing to argue about it

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March 17, 2023, 07:08:02 PM
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We all know the quote "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" I heard this quote when I was in high school now I'm grown up. I always wondering why?

Is it that the rich have already wealth the day they are born? Have savings and investment?

While the poor doesn't have any of those?

The point is I started in low before having some savings and investment. I'm not saying I'm already rich but I can say that I'm better than before. Can you guys share your ideas with this topic.

I agree with your quote, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer because the rich have superior access or privilege, an example of access to technology and information, but it does not rule out the possibility for the poor to become rich because we are all equal in this world, we have to study harder.

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March 17, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
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Rich people already have wealth the day they are born because their parents did and they can pass it on to their children.
Likewise, the poor pass their poverty on to their children but that does not apply if their children want to try to change and work hard to get rich.
Meanwhile, if the children of the rich cannot manage their wealth, they will lose their wealth and cannot get it back.
Everyone has the right to get what they want but they have to try hard to achieve it and not everyone can get what they want.


Anyone has the right to dream and aspire to be rich.  But within the limits of what the law and the economy allow.  The concept of wealth varies according to the country and the social system that it adopts.  People differ in their definition of wealth and poverty as well, since there are rates adopted by scientific indicators to determine the amount of wealth according to many indicators.
Rich people have better opportunities, connections, and privileges and I think that's their edge over poor people but that doesn't mean that a poor person could die poor. It depends on how a person strives for success because we are the ones who are making our fate.
Wealthy people might have advantages but poor people have better motivation. People can get out of the yolk of poverty if they yearn for success just like what other successful people did. Our financial status can change if we work hard and know how to manage our finances but we have to find better ways to make money in the first place.


There is a simple equation that you may have missed. We cannot talk about the rich without talking about poverty and the poor. The economic mode divides society into classes whose interests are affected by each other. According to Marxist theory, the class that owns the means of production is the richest class, and the rest of the people are one of the tools of production owned by the rich class. In our society today, those concepts have been modified with the emergence of imperialist movements, as we are now talking about entire societies that are wealthy and not just a class in it, and the same applies to poor countries where an entire society has become poor.
It can be said that in many cases poverty is the result of economic and geopolitical factors and it is not useful to approach it from a single point of view.
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March 17, 2023, 11:01:51 PM
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So far what I see is mostly like that but what you need to know, that the average rich person must start from scratch to get to his success.
I don't agree that the poor are still getting poorer because if they want to try and work hard, they can definitely achieve what the rich do.
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March 17, 2023, 11:18:44 PM
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The point is I started in low before having some savings and investment. I'm not saying I'm already rich but I can say that I'm better than before. Can you guys share your ideas with this topic.
Sometimes, the difference between a wealthy person and an ordinary folk on the street is in their ideas. How you yhink, how you act, how you approach matters and what risk your willing to take with the much or little that you've got.

A richman would analyse his chances at some investment and if he ain't getting it right, he just might call someone to look at it for him and isn't scared to gamble on his chances. His ready and willing to lose if that be the case and in the event that he profits, then that's good.

For a poor man, it's always about winning as everything is hedged on there life. This could scare you away from potential opportunities and that's not some good energy to escape poverty.

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March 17, 2023, 11:57:43 PM
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Even the rich is once a poor person. It means if we go behind (ancestors) we'll come to know from poor the rich have evolved. The difference is all about the efforts the poor have put and made himself rich or paved path for the upcoming generation to be rich. OP itself have said he is better than before and his children will be better than him. This eventually makes a generation rich.

Some with their wrong attitude end up being poor from the high status of rich. When it comes to rich and poor, the access and contact differs. A poor person needs five months to establish a service where a rich person will do it in a day. This time difference is the earning difference. At some point the meet-up will happen, where the hard work decides the winner.

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March 18, 2023, 03:57:17 AM
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We all know the quote "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" I heard this quote when I was in high school now I'm grown up. I always wondering why?

Is it that the rich have already wealth the day they are born? Have savings and investment?

While the poor doesn't have any of those?

The point is I started in low before having some savings and investment. I'm not saying I'm already rich but I can say that I'm better than before. Can you guys share your ideas with this topic.

I agree with your quote, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer because the rich have superior access or privilege, an example of access to technology and information, but it does not rule out the possibility for the poor to become rich because we are all equal in this world, we have to study harder.

The rich have more opportunities than the poor, but that doesn't mean the poor don't have the chance to get rich and stay poor, that's not entirely true. For the development of today's world, there are many opportunities equally shared by everyone. If you were born into a poor family, it's not your fault, but if you grew up and can't change your fate, it's your fault. If you work hard and give your best, you will always have the opportunity to change your life.

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March 18, 2023, 10:02:41 AM
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Because a rich person have a privilege and have a lot choices rather than the poor. When a rich person want to start his own business, he spend a lot money and if it's going to bankrupt, he can create a new business without need to worry about the money they've spend. While a poor person want to start his own business, he might spend most of his money and it's going to bankrupt, he will not have any money left to create a new business.
And again a poor person if he wants to have money then he has to work full time to get paid a higher salary, and of course the salary he has is not big so it takes quite a long time for poor people to get a lot of money to start a business, and Obviously, as you said, it will be difficult for poor people to start their own business because they don't get money easily, it's different from the rich.
One more thing in my opinion that is quite influential is that children of rich people have a lot of experience managing money since they were small and their parents teach their children to save and invest because they have money and knowledge, while poor people don't have that privilege, they can only eat every day. should be grateful.

Although the rich have more advantages in starting life as well as starting a business, I think the opportunity will be divided equally between the two. Those who are intelligent and knowledgeable enough can still start a successful business and become rich. Not all rich children are talented, there are many people who rely on their parents' money, refuse to study but play debauchery, and are even part of social evils. While many poor people have the will and determination since childhood, study hard and work hard, the chances of success will also be higher.

Yes, when it comes to opportunities, of course, everyone will get them without exception, and even then, as you said, if you work hard and have knowledge, opportunities will definitely come to you, regardless of the money of the parents of a rich child, if he has the desire to do business and succeed, of course he will be more it's easy because the opportunity for privilege cannot be denied more opportunities. and that's what makes most people say the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
However, in today's era, I see that people who are consistent in their efforts and take new opportunities for the advancement of civilization will have more potential for success.

Although today's society still has many divisions or distinctions between rich and poor, it is becoming more equitable. I don't feel sorry for people born into poor families, but I do feel angry if they don't have the will or effort to find ways to improve their lives. Nowadays, poor people, if they study hard and work hard, they also have the opportunity to get a job with a high income, have a chance to advance as well as accumulate capital to open their own businesses.

As for investment, there are always opportunities for the poor if they know how to seize their chance. If the rich invest in real estate, and gold, and the poor do not have enough money to participate in those investments, then bitcoin is also an option with small initial capital.

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Poor and Rich are 2 conditions that are greatly influenced by many things, but in general depending on 2 things, namely external and internal factors, and in my opinion the most dominant is an internal factor, as long as we always think rich and maintain these positive thoughts, positive thoughts can be maintained if We are friends with successful people and think positively.
Having positive thoughts can indeed have a big impact on someone's life. because having positive thoughts means we always feel optimistic and also have high self-confidence. positive thinking also means we will not be afraid to try new things. The point is that many things can change a person's situation if it starts with positive thoughts. and most of the rich people they are always optimistic and think ahead. so they can always see the potential behind everything that many people don't even know about. and someone who was born poor might be able to change his life to a better stage if he always thinks and acts positively.

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March 18, 2023, 06:01:35 PM
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Poor and Rich are 2 conditions that are greatly influenced by many things, but in general depending on 2 things, namely external and internal factors, and in my opinion the most dominant is an internal factor, as long as we always think rich and maintain these positive thoughts, positive thoughts can be maintained if We are friends with successful people and think positively.
Having positive thoughts can indeed have a big impact on someone's life. because having positive thoughts means we always feel optimistic and also have high self-confidence. positive thinking also means we will not be afraid to try new things. The point is that many things can change a person's situation if it starts with positive thoughts. and most of the rich people they are always optimistic and think ahead. so they can always see the potential behind everything that many people don't even know about. and someone who was born poor might be able to change his life to a better stage if he always thinks and acts positively.
I believe hard work and honesty is the key to success.
Be the person rich or poor - they will excel if they are honest and would work hard.

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For me poverty is relative, poverty is not only measured by how much wealth one has. Apart from being poor in wealth, they are also poor in knowledge, poor in experience and poor in capital. There are not many opportunities for the poor to get out of poverty. Most of the poor work relying on muscle, while the rich work with the brain.

Elon musk was born into an affluent family, he did not inherit wealth from his parents. He has capital in his brain, the genius he has can make him a rich man. People who want to get out of poverty will always think of a better future, saving is one way to do this. When the savings you have are enough to serve as business capital, gradually your life will get better.
I wouldn't really agree with this. Poor people could be white collar workers too. As long as your job doesn't have a huge demand, then you are going to earn a very small amount of money.

Like there are way too many teachers in my nation, MILLIONS of them, we do not need that many teachers at all, we have a set amount that we need, and there are places teachers don't want to go to neither, so all in all we are talking about most teachers either underpaid or they are unemployed. Is teaching a muscle oriented thing or a thing that requires high level of education? It's education and knowledge based and yet they are still getting paid so little because there are so many of them.
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We all know the quote "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" I heard this quote when I was in high school now I'm grown up. I always wondering why?
The statement the risk are getting richer why the poor getting poorer.  It's just a common word used to, at some point, discourage the poor who are fighting so hard to survive and climb to the top. At some point, I believe, it's to encourage oneself. 

The "rich get richer" statement is all because the rich have almost all it takes to make more money. What I mean by "all it takes" is that in terms of investment, they are the highest risk takers. A rich man can in a twinkle of an eye spend a whole $10,000 on an investment for which he or she is not even certain of the returns, which at the end might give him or her a 10x ROI. But someone living below average has to think twice before he can make an investment of $2 because he knows what it will cost him if the money enters the wrong hand. 

Have you read the book "Why the Rich Are Getting Richer" by Robert T. 
The author focuses on the aspect of financial education, in which the ideas believe that those who are educated, especially those who have degrees in financial education, have a better opportunity of becoming rich than lots of us out there. 
 

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First of all - money makes money (think of investing opportunities, connections, hiring others to generate profits for you, etc.). Also, it's much more complex but generally, it's more expensive to be poor.

Being poor is more expensive because of hidden costs and financial traps. For example, basic financial services like checking accounts and ATMs are costly for low-income people, as banks charge fees for their services if the account balance is too low. Poor people may end up paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a year for services that wealthier people enjoy for free. Not having much cash also costs more, as withdrawing small amounts from ATMs incurs higher service charges.

Poor people often rely on credit card debt, payday, or car title lenders, which charge exorbitant interest rates. Buying food, paying rent, and spending much more time on everyday tasks can also cost more for poor people.

Inflation hits the poor harder than the wealthy.

Time is money. Poverty impacts time, money, and mental well-being and poor people have less free time, and the stress of constantly making tough decisions about how to spend limited resources leads to decision fatigue and the scarcity trap, not letting them escape the vicious circle.

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Having positive thoughts can indeed have a big impact on someone's life. because having positive thoughts means we always feel optimistic and also have high self-confidence. positive thinking also means we will not be afraid to try new things. The point is that many things can change a person's situation if it starts with positive thoughts. and most of the rich people they are always optimistic and think ahead. so they can always see the potential behind everything that many people don't even know about. and someone who was born poor might be able to change his life to a better stage if he always thinks and acts positively.
It's not always easy to be positive when it comes to surviving, but I agree with a positive attitude, it will always change your internal perception and attitude towards external factors. I often have to communicate with wealthy people, most of them are really very positive people. It can be said that they are such because they live in abundance, but perhaps everything goes from the opposite, they achieve great results because they think positively and can cope with difficulties more easily.

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You've listed one of the very reasons why the rich get rich and the poor get poorer, but there are other factors that play into this problem. Some of them include:

  • Lack of Opportunities: You can't become rich without working a day in your life, but what if the opportunity doesn't come around? Lack of opportunities to find employment are a good reason why people become even poorer as time goes by.
  • No Financial Literacy: I've seen people become rich and then blow all their money away belligerently, only to end up with nothign and be dead broke right after. Proper management of funds, as well as budgeting, investing, and saving of money is important in order to keep your wealth
  • Inflation:For the poor, this is a curse, for the enterprises, Inflation is a blessing. Rising prices will always put money in the pockets of those that control the supply, while the poor people suffer.
  • Corruption and Greed Sometimes, scratch it, more often than not, the government's evil practices marginalize the poor people even more, at the expense of putting more money in their pockets, this becomes a problem that couldn't be overlooked as time goes by.

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We all know the quote "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" I heard this quote when I was in high school now I'm grown up. I always wondering why?

Is it that the rich have already wealth the day they are born? Have savings and investment?

While the poor doesn't have any of those?

The point is I started in low before having some savings and investment. I'm not saying I'm already rich but I can say that I'm better than before. Can you guys share your ideas with this topic.

I agree with your quote, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer because the rich have superior access or privilege, an example of access to technology and information, but it does not rule out the possibility for the poor to become rich because we are all equal in this world, we have to study harder.

The rich have more opportunities than the poor, but that doesn't mean the poor don't have the chance to get rich and stay poor, that's not entirely true. For the development of today's world, there are many opportunities equally shared by everyone. If you were born into a poor family, it's not your fault, but if you grew up and can't change your fate, it's your fault. If you work hard and give your best, you will always have the opportunity to change your life.
Sometimes people comes up with such unique idea that they become rich instantly
Its not always the rich who get the opportunity - sometime poor people are blessed too and are lucky to be rich in a moment - we have seen so many examples in our lives.

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