How succesful will AI projects be to win the house?

[BVeyron]

I think they will always fight each other. The player will try to create an AI for 100% winnings, and the casino will analyze such AI to prevent players from winning.
It will be possible to win from time to time - when the player's AI finds a new way to win, and the casino AI has not yet broken it.

That's not what I mean but the casino has a sophisticated system and is designed no one can beat it even though a very intelligent AI has been developed in any way but it will only be in vain.
So far I haven't found a tool that's really right to be able to beat the casino, except for hackers.
Casinos will only lose to hackers who can hack all the systems in the casino.

I don`t think that only hackers can win the casino. Today we see that AI is using everywhere and the casino can use machine learning to protect their winning and the gamblers can try to understand winning algo the same time the same way. And it is possible situation that in some moments gamblers can catch the casino. But some time later the casino change algo and they begin next round.

Yea, I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos)

Maybe AI can help casinos for algorithm security or in security systems in casinos.
But I'm not sure if the intelligence of AI can surpass the limits of the human mind whereas AI is created by human intelligence.
From this I can make a little thought that AI can be the second role in casino security and most importantly the intelligent human mind.

Right, gambling is not the thing AI can improve, so AI in casino leads to stability, security and marketing improvement. The process itself is highly emotional, while most stakings are unpredictable, since most sports are battles of emotions too, so AI is not a way to predict anything in gambling...

[klidex]

I think they will always fight each other. The player will try to create an AI for 100% winnings, and the casino will analyze such AI to prevent players from winning.
It will be possible to win from time to time - when the player's AI finds a new way to win, and the casino AI has not yet broken it.

That's not what I mean but the casino has a sophisticated system and is designed no one can beat it even though a very intelligent AI has been developed in any way but it will only be in vain.
So far I haven't found a tool that's really right to be able to beat the casino, except for hackers.
Casinos will only lose to hackers who can hack all the systems in the casino.

I don`t think that only hackers can win the casino. Today we see that AI is using everywhere and the casino can use machine learning to protect their winning and the gamblers can try to understand winning algo the same time the same way. And it is possible situation that in some moments gamblers can catch the casino. But some time later the casino change algo and they begin next round.

Yea, I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos)

Maybe AI can help casinos for algorithm security or in security systems in casinos.
But I'm not sure if the intelligence of AI can surpass the limits of the human mind whereas AI is created by human intelligence.
From this I can make a little thought that AI can be the second role in casino security and most importantly the intelligent human mind.

Right, gambling is not the thing AI can improve, so AI in casino leads to stability, security and marketing improvement. The process itself is highly emotional, while most stakings are unpredictable, since most sports are battles of emotions too, so AI is not a way to predict anything in gambling...

As I said before even though AI is developed to get more precise predictions, it will only be useless because the house edge will always win because they have a smarter and more sophisticated system that AI cannot predict.
But on another basis AI can help casinos to improve security or help casinos in any aspect that can help casino teams be more efficient in serving customers and in aspects of improving systems at casinos.
So there are advantages and disadvantages of AI for casinos today, those disadvantages are AI can never beat the house edge and advantages of AI in casinos can help casinos from several aspects.

[bettercrypto]

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

      Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

[tjtonmoy]

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd with 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

[len01]

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

      Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

maybe you misplaced your reply. It's not about referrals and it's not about affiliation either.
please reread before replying!

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd with 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I see that the current ChatGPT AI trend always appears with new ChatGPT models with different intelligence and their system has been designed even better than the previous ChatGPT. although these bots are continuously being developed in the future but as discussed before, although maybe AI can be developed by someone but it is very difficult to beat the house.

here we know that the casino always wins, that's what makes it possible that if one day someone can make an AI with the right predictions, the casino will find out this person and hire him in the casino, as some people in this thread have said.
so it is absolutely impossible for the AI to beat the house and there is only a 0.0001% chance of beating the house.

[Hirose UK]

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

      Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

What exactly do you mean by referral or affiliate schemes?
This is a thread made on the topic of project al to win a house.
Read through the main topics contained in the thread before you provide a response.
As as you know that your response has strayed far from the topic and is completely irrelevant.
I hope you will learn more about gambling and what is an al project in order to be able to provide more appropriate responses in this thread.

[tjtonmoy]

maybe you misplaced your reply. It's not about referrals and it's not about affiliation either.
please reread before replying!

maybe he's talking about the bonus you get by joining the gambling platform using referrals. You can use it to try out the bot or AI prediction. I'm not sure.

so it is absolutely impossible for the AI to beat the house and there is only a 0.0001% chance of beating the house.

I got your point, but when it comes to analyzing the massive data available on the internet, no human can beat a machine. Maybe some can, but not all of us. And what if the person who builds a perfect bot to predict it correctly never decides to join the platform as a recruit? I bet he can use that strategy to make a lot of money. I am just saying. Likewise, I don't know their decision. So it fair to say that it is possible to win the house using AI or Machine Learning technology. But as I said before, luck matters too.

[Wiwo]

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, a few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd of 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

[BobK71]

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, a few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd of 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

Of course, humans can analyze things but AI cannot. We should not request AI for prediction because they have no real sense or they can't guess. But it is possible for human. Bots are only able to provide algorithmic results. No matter how advanced this AI is, it will never be able to predict future. Humans are capable of combining emotions, feelings, situations to give an answer that is not possible through artificial intelligence. But even if they can't give information about future they are able to do other tasks smoothly which is very difficult for human.

[dezoel]

I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos)

Though it can be useful for casinos as they can use it to find security and coding vulnerabilities, exploits are a different matter altogether. They will need to have a very strong AI algorithm to be incorporated within their systems that would periodically report bugs and issues to the casino to prevent hackers or cheaters to use those against the casino and in their favor.

AI is a very vast technology and we are yet to see its full potential. We are only at the beginning phase of AI development and we are yet to see the real revolution. I'm sure there will be way more usage opportunities for AI in all fields of life as we proceed toward the future.

[Wiwo]

Of course, humans can analyze things but AI cannot. We should not request AI for prediction because they have no real sense or they can't guess. But it is possible for human. Bots are only able to provide algorithmic results. No matter how advanced this AI is, it will never be able to predict future. Humans are capable of combining emotions, feelings, and situations to give an answer that is not possible through artificial intelligence. But even if they can't give information about the future they can do other tasks smoothly which is very difficult for humans.

Being unable to analyze the current event and adapt to change quickly make the use of AI in gambling ineffective and since artificial intelligence needs configuration to work effectively it is of no use and can't predict or analyze games.

-There is no doubt that a lot of AI development has been on the increase lately but its usage is still limited due to some factors.

[rahmad2nd]

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I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

Right, because what you say is the true fact. We agree that machines have a higher level of work privileges than us humans, whether it's related to how to get work done faster or how machines work more efficiently.

Speaking of gambling, AI is currently a new phenomenon that is said to make it easier for us to predict a match, or in short, to help us win bets with the help of artificial intelligence technology. however, I'm not sure about that. in fact, until now maybe I am one of the few people who have never used this technological sophistication made by Al. but of the many who posted Al, there is no doubt that this artificial intelligence really helps us humans. In fact, it can make it easier for all activities that involve our work. but regarding predictions, I would say no. in particular, sports betting.
As you said, machines don't have reason but rather generate data. While sport covers many aspects, it is not just about data and statistics. however, more on how a team carries out its battle. which in the end, a definite result will be known after the match takes place or is over. so the point is, humans are more consistent in terms of predicting when compared to artificial intelligence.

[swogerino]

Of course, humans can analyze things but AI cannot. We should not request AI for prediction because they have no real sense or they can't guess. But it is possible for human. Bots are only able to provide algorithmic results. No matter how advanced this AI is, it will never be able to predict future. Humans are capable of combining emotions, feelings, and situations to give an answer that is not possible through artificial intelligence. But even if they can't give information about the future they can do other tasks smoothly which is very difficult for humans.

Being unable to analyze the current event and adapt to change quickly make the use of AI in gambling ineffective and since artificial intelligence needs configuration to work effectively it is of no use and can't predict or analyze games.

-There is no doubt that a lot of AI development has been on the increase lately but its usage is still limited due to some factors.

Exactly,AI if it is used to "beat" the house can only be used in sport betting as you cannot beat the casino in slot machines or games of luck where the house has set what is called "the house edge" in order to make the casinos always be in profit in the long run.
Now on sport betting they can give us more insights in a much shorter time span than that of which we need to analyze the game ourselves and can help us in making a decision faster but that is only for the bets we place before the game has started and once we want to make a live bet because we are watching the game live,AI has no way of helping us here,so its usage is extremely limited but as I said useful only in the bets we make before the event starts.

[Desmong]

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

      Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

Earning referral bonuses is of different type depending of what the so called casino we are using is offering.
We can earn from referring people to Casinos if we know what we are doing. This should not be a hard thing if we have a group or blog of our one where to can seeing people willing to join the casino we are adverting.

[Newlifebtc]

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

      Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

Earning referral bonuses is of different type depending of what the so called casino we are using is offering.
We can earn from referring people to Casinos if we know what we are doing. This should not be a hard thing if we have a group or blog of our one where to can seeing people willing to join the casino we are adverting.

Another point I understand in referring people for a casino platform and when those people our first the particular site then also like the site because of they want to achieve the referral bonus. I believe systematically that people like referring other in a particular platform provided that casino is concern so that at the end they will have a referral bonus to play Another bet

[Ebede]

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

      Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

Earning referral bonuses is of different type depending of what the so called casino we are using is offering.
We can earn from referring people to Casinos if we know what we are doing. This should not be a hard thing if we have a group or blog of our one where to can seeing people willing to join the casino we are adverting.

Another point I understand in referring people for a casino platform and when those people our first the particular site then also like the site because of they want to achieve the referral bonus. I believe systematically that people like referring other in a particular platform provided that casino is concern so that at the end they will have a referral bonus to play Another bet

when you referred people to a particular gambling it is for the benefit of the referrer Who will you have a bonus for referring people so that is why many people always involved in referring people for gambling so I believe that that is the reason why people refer people to the platform and those people who also refer another set of people that particular platform

[tusandii]

AI is a very vast technology and we are yet to see its full potential. We are only at the beginning phase of AI development and we are yet to see the real revolution. I'm sure there will be way more usage opportunities for AI in all fields of life as we proceed toward the future.

Al is indeed a very broad technology including in artificial intelligence which can greatly help anyone who uses it in the future.
But so far I haven't seen and proved that Al can be relied on.
Maybe for a casino business AI can be so useful but for gamblers like not and it's not easy for gamblers to use Al freely because every casino will prohibit gamblers who use this artificial technology to bet.
I want to ask if anyone here can prove that Al really can be relied on?

[len01]

maybe you misplaced your reply. It's not about referrals and it's not about affiliation either.
please reread before replying!

maybe he's talking about the bonus you get by joining the gambling platform using referrals. You can use it to try out the bot or AI prediction. I'm not sure.

so it is absolutely impossible for the AI to beat the house and there is only a 0.0001% chance of beating the house.

I got your point, but when it comes to analyzing the massive data available on the internet, no human can beat a machine. Maybe some can, but not all of us. And what if the person who builds a perfect bot to predict it correctly never decides to join the platform as a recruit? I bet he can use that strategy to make a lot of money. I am just saying. Likewise, I don't know their decision. So it fair to say that it is possible to win the house using AI or Machine Learning technology. But as I said before, luck matters too.

like I said the AI has a 0.0001% chance of beating the house not that it's impossible.
but the chances are very small because beating the house is like luck. If we all know that the casino will always win, that is a certainty that cannot be ignored and if there is an AI that is indeed intelligent beyond humans, it will only be used as a consideration of the main predictions of the human mind.

on the other hand, the definition of beating the house is like an impossible thing, whereas casinos are designed to always be profitable and the casino business never goes bankrupt.

[Mauser]

AI is a very vast technology and we are yet to see its full potential. We are only at the beginning phase of AI development and we are yet to see the real revolution. I'm sure there will be way more usage opportunities for AI in all fields of life as we proceed toward the future.

Al is indeed a very broad technology including in artificial intelligence which can greatly help anyone who uses it in the future.
But so far I haven't seen and proved that Al can be relied on.
Maybe for a casino business AI can be so useful but for gamblers like not and it's not easy for gamblers to use Al freely because every casino will prohibit gamblers who use this artificial technology to bet.
I want to ask if anyone here can prove that Al really can be relied on?

At the current stage we are on AI still needs human oversight and can't be trusted blindly. In gambling I have no experience with AI, but in investing I have seen selflearning AIs build quite complex trading strategies. The problem is that the AI sometimes identifies anomalies in the market and builds a whole strategy around, and the occurrence of the anomaly is so low that is not going to make a profit for a long time. In gambling these anomalies don't really exist, all the odds and profits are known before and analysing a lot of past games won't give an edge. Handling large sums of data is a key advantage of AI, but in gambling this won't influence future winning chances. All rounds are a new game and are not connected to each other.

[jostorres]

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, a few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd of 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial Intelligence, especially the currently existing models, was not created to be used for this purpose, to predict future outcomes, especially for gambling, so they will probably not be a suitable solution for this and will lack reasoning and many other aspects that will not allow them to come up with accurate or nearly accurate results.

So those who try to use them for something that they are not meant to be used for, I don't think they will get desired results from it. It is better to just let them be used for what they are meant to be used for instead.