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April 24, 2023, 10:38:32 PM
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People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

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April 24, 2023, 10:41:10 PM
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People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.
the use of artificial intelligence for gambling I don't think that it will compromise or it will be a useful function because many of these does not function appropriately by using them except it is a someone who does not try to make use of it for a day so from my understanding I will say that this is a measure of scam of highest level that people introduce in order to extort money from people through gambling

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April 25, 2023, 01:41:09 AM
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We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDthta5sUGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3pc-47weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYegYNkwjR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFrI6cLD0E

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

I don’t think gambling platforms will feel threaten with this AI presence. In fact, there’s no working strategy in gambling, and those who have made significant profits with gambling are just too lucky enough that they have made an edge over the house. But regardless if you are a noob or an experienced gambler, as long as you don’t have the luck, you will never have the chances to make profits. Also, AI is not good enough with predicting outcomes in the future. As much as gambling platforms are concerned, the fact that it’s always unpredictable and uncertain, then AI will never succeed on that.
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April 25, 2023, 11:26:57 AM
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People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time, but isn't it laziness or something else that makes people think going for AI is the best available option for them in other to win when they are gambling, I don't see a reason why i should always depend on using this system to gamble when i have an unlimited brain capacity that has no limited supply to the extent of which i can reason and think when gambling, AI is good but not too good in many occasions if well considered, using it doesn't guarantee winning all the time, you still engage taking a risk.
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April 25, 2023, 07:26:21 PM
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But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.
I don't think that can any day be possible that an A.I will win the house, because what A.I does is to work on already existing data, and gambling casinos has none, since every win is a random selection. But the only area A.I can equally have an edge is in "Sportbetting" whereby all data about a team's performance are stored online, and as such can be accessible by the A.I for analysis and then come up with a possible outcome that can be a 50% possible chance.
Someone would wonder, what is the use of utilizing an AI model to do the analysis of the match if the possible outcome gives only a 50% chance? That's why AI is not yet capable enough to do that, maybe in the future when there is data fed to it specifically for this purpose and it is trained to do this better, then maybe it can be used for predictions for sports events.

For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.

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April 26, 2023, 08:45:35 AM
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 #326

People had been using AI to scam people and we just need to be very careful and know what we are doing. There different between AI and human predictions in gambling is because of the computer ability to accumulate data that will be use in decision making to make work easier. Artificial intelligence will make work easier but with it own detriments.

There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time, but isn't it laziness or something else that makes people think going for AI is the best available option for them in other to win when they are gambling, I don't see a reason why i should always depend on using this system to gamble when i have an unlimited brain capacity that has no limited supply to the extent of which i can reason and think when gambling, AI is good but not too good in many occasions if well considered, using it doesn't guarantee winning all the time, you still engage taking a risk.
Guys, I get it. AI's limitations aside, it's profitable in gaming. Numbers are crunched, and Einstein-worthy predictions are made. Poker, blackjack? I think AI is great. You're right, though. AI and robotics may fail. Guys, gambling is risky. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. AI, though? It's like having a secret tool to win more. Let's be honest. Our brain? Incredible, but not perfect. Casino-style, when the stakes are high. Collectively, we're struggling. AI finds hidden gems.

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April 26, 2023, 01:49:03 PM
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There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time
And that's the big difference between A.I and the human brain, because a very active sport fan with vast knowledge of all games can possibly make a better prediction far more better than what most of this A.I tool does, and I have come to realized that the majority of people who uses A.I for prediction are those who have little or no knowledge about a particular sporting event, who just wish to try his/her luck, which is not bad in any case, unlike a die-heart fan who knows all the nock & cranny of a particular sporting game and as such make high chance possible outcome of a sport game far more better than an A.I who only produce result on it's current available data.

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April 26, 2023, 02:23:14 PM
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There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time
And that's the big difference between A.I and the human brain, because a very active sport fan with vast knowledge of all games can possibly make a better prediction far more better than what most of this A.I tool does, and I have come to realized that the majority of people who uses A.I for prediction are those who have little or no knowledge about a particular sporting event, who just wish to try his/her luck, which is not bad in any case, unlike a die-heart fan who knows all the nock & cranny of a particular sporting game and as such make high chance possible outcome of a sport game far more better than an A.I who only produce result on it's current available data.
With all due respect to avid fans of any sport, and with great respect for the sports betting options that such fans place bets on, I would like to note that AI also theoretically has access to all the information that is contained on the Internet. according to all the results of the games, his favorite team for many many years.
And even AI has almost all the information even in a larger volume than such a fan, because a person has such an inherent property of the psyche - to forget certain details of past matches and some nuances, which, by the way, if they are on the Internet, are definitely available to AI. In the case of predictions for future matches and provided that the programming of AI algorithms is done with high quality, then I think. AI will cope with the task of placing a bet on the result of a future match no worse, and maybe even better than such a fan. But of course, if a fan has some tricky insider information about a future match that is not available to the Internet, then AI will certainly lose as its prediction.
But this is no longer a fair competition.
More precisely, absolutely. absolutely unfair competition!!! .
That's the only way a fan can beat AI. Smiley

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April 26, 2023, 03:13:15 PM
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For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.
However, gamblers try to train Al as sophisticated as possible, they will never be able to beat the house because the house has more intelligence so that every action taken by the gambler at home will be able to anticipate it so they don't experience a loss.
I am surprised by some people who worship or exaggerate artificial intelligence like AI for them to use it in all kinds of activities to make it easier, maybe to make it easier to do research or make predictions it can happen but when it is expected to be able to beat the house it is impossible option.
I believe Al is able to provide what its users want but not in all things because there is something better than Al system.

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May 01, 2023, 05:39:38 PM
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For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.
However, gamblers try to train Al as sophisticated as possible, they will never be able to beat the house because the house has more intelligence so that every action taken by the gambler at home will be able to anticipate it so they don't experience a loss.
I am surprised by some people who worship or exaggerate artificial intelligence like AI for them to use it in all kinds of activities to make it easier, maybe to make it easier to do research or make predictions it can happen but when it is expected to be able to beat the house it is impossible option.
I believe Al is able to provide what its users want but not in all things because there is something better than Al system.
The field of AI has existed for a very long time and there have been some very good results already, in fact most recommendations systems you can find on apps are a form of AI, and slowly but surely AI is becoming an important part of our lives, however the imagination of the people goes way beyond what exists right now and they imagine scenarios like the ones depicted on the movies with sentient robots and the like, and unfortunately we are very far away from that future at the moment.

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May 02, 2023, 02:43:10 AM
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Are you trying to say that people can use AI to find bugs and problems in a casino to get a bug bounty? If that's what you are referring to then you need to understand that most bugs or problems in casinos that can be reported for an eligible bounty can only be identified by a human and not a robot since it doesn't have senses and can't see.

An AI model might only be able to find bugs and problems within a source code if provided to it. That is one of the things which it can do much faster than humans of course, he can read and evaluate thousands of lines in a matter of seconds, a human cannot do that.

There positive and negative effects while using AI every ware or anywhere and good example for this. Is like what you said it will helps to the gamblers to put their bet easier and faster and also AI can do a lot of things such read a thousands, millions or even billion of words in just a seconds or minutes and human can not do that. But We must know that AI can not determined all the bugs and problems of the casino that a human can do.
I think that the negative effects are more than the positive ones of using the AI, at least at this time I would not do it, because it is in full development, it would not be very smart to leave our money in the hands of the decisions of an AI to Multiply it, I don't know if the prediction algorithms are asleep or if the AIs are not active, it is obvious that if they are, in fact I think that this is the best way to test it, but obviously it is not the correct way to do it because otherwise people will they would go crazy to make money,it would be totally out of control.

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May 12, 2023, 04:55:38 AM
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There's no way AI can ein against the house because it has been programmed on a limited supply ability wherein except if updated to perform more better from time to time, but isn't it laziness or something else that makes people think going for AI is the best available option for them in other to win when they are gambling, I don't see a reason why i should always depend on using this system to gamble when i have an unlimited brain capacity that has no limited supply to the extent of which i can reason and think when gambling, AI is good but not too good in many occasions if well considered, using it doesn't guarantee winning all the time, you still engage taking a risk.
The brain is limitless and does all of the work for people who devote a significant amount of time to sitting down and learning new things. As long as the brain is put to use, it grows in knowledge and capacity. It's very easy to start knotting out good strategies to use inother to grab winning from games, brain work is independent and can never be faulty compared to AI programmed bot is risky because we can't rely on it 100% for example its faulty and starts giving us wrong analysis and errors, we unknowingly follow the computed analysis, we lose heavily on games, I recommend brain work inother to gain profits.

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May 12, 2023, 02:11:46 PM
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But if AI has become more sophisticated than it is today and managed to beat the casino for some time, the casino will not allow it to win again. The casino will do something to prevent players from being able to win using AI. And it's natural for casinos to do that so their gambling business can keep running and the casinos can still make a profit.
I don't think that can any day be possible that an A.I will win the house, because what A.I does is to work on already existing data, and gambling casinos has none, since every win is a random selection. But the only area A.I can equally have an edge is in "Sportbetting" whereby all data about a team's performance are stored online, and as such can be accessible by the A.I for analysis and then come up with a possible outcome that can be a 50% possible chance.
Someone would wonder, what is the use of utilizing an AI model to do the analysis of the match if the possible outcome gives only a 50% chance? That's why AI is not yet capable enough to do that, maybe in the future when there is data fed to it specifically for this purpose and it is trained to do this better, then maybe it can be used for predictions for sports events.

For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.
I still do not know why people are wasting their time in making an AI to predict game events for them, it's a pure waste of time as it will not work now or later. Everyone should think rightly, the AI is not spiritual, and neither is it a soothsayer, it can only work based on what is coded in it and the information it can gather.

With these, can it do more than human beings? Of course not. Human beings can even predict better than it since they can manually study the situation and be able to reach a good conclusion. This is unlike AI which is susceptible to mistakes, and it can't hack future events for anyone, it's impossible.

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May 12, 2023, 02:47:34 PM
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I still do not know why people are wasting their time in making an AI to predict game events for them, it's a pure waste of time as it will not work now or later. Everyone should think rightly, the AI is not spiritual, and neither is it a soothsayer, it can only work based on what is coded in it and the information it can gather.

It's a common misconception that an AI cannot predict the outcome of sports events with accuracy. In fact, there are several companies and organizations that use AI algorithms to analyze data and make predictions on various sporting events. For example, the sports data company Stats Perform uses AI to analyze data on various sports such as soccer, basketball, and American football, and has been shown to have a high level of accuracy in predicting outcomes. Additionally, Google's DeepMind has developed an AI that can predict the likelihood of a player scoring in a soccer game with 48 hours of training data. These examples show that AI has the potential to be an effective tool for predicting sports outcomes.

With these, can it do more than human beings? Of course not. Human beings can even predict better than it since they can manually study the situation and be able to reach a good conclusion. This is unlike AI which is susceptible to mistakes, and it can't hack future events for anyone, it's impossible.

Of course, AI predictions are not perfect. The algorithms used are only as good as the data they are given. sports events can be very unpredictable, with factors like injuries and unexpected performances from players or teams that can impact the outcome. So, while AI can be helpful in providing information and guiding decisions, it should not be solely relied upon when it comes to sports betting or making predictions.

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May 14, 2023, 04:47:27 PM
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For gambling games, it of course doesn't work at all since as you said, every outcome is a randomly generated selection and there is possibly no way to train the AI model to master that and be able to beat the house.
However, gamblers try to train Al as sophisticated as possible, they will never be able to beat the house because the house has more intelligence so that every action taken by the gambler at home will be able to anticipate it so they don't experience a loss.
I am surprised by some people who worship or exaggerate artificial intelligence like AI for them to use it in all kinds of activities to make it easier, maybe to make it easier to do research or make predictions it can happen but when it is expected to be able to beat the house it is impossible option.
I believe Al is able to provide what its users want but not in all things because there is something better than Al system.

Well, that is a big unknown for me, because I would like to know if an AI can really beat the house over time, and that is something I don't know if it is good or bad, because the casinos will have their own AI defenses and they will be able to tdetect if it is, but of course it is very difficult for them to detect what is human behavior and what is not, I think that at that level it is very far from reaching, that is why casinos have a lot of commitment to their security and the way they have to Being able to detect suspicious activities, maybe when a player wins a lot they will have him as an object of study, is what I could think of.


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May 14, 2023, 05:06:02 PM
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For some games that involve an algorithm of some sorts like BlackJack or Poker, this could mean death, cause if word goes out that these foolproof games back then could be cracked by AI and exploited for hidden strategies and hints, it would mean that basically everyone will want to take a bite out of the pie and the chaos that may ensue will force casinos to close operations on games like it. For games of chances like roulette and dice, I'd say they still will persist cause no amount of cracking down or observation will work on a game like roulette that is basically following the laws of physics. So unless we get a quantum computer that could crack that with pinpoint-accuracy, these games will persist and AI will not as you put it, "win the house".

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June 03, 2023, 04:59:29 AM
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For some games that involve an algorithm of some sorts like BlackJack or Poker, this could mean death, cause if word goes out that these foolproof games back then could be cracked by AI and exploited for hidden strategies and hints, it would mean that basically everyone will want to take a bite out of the pie and the chaos that may ensue will force casinos to close operations on games like it. For games of chances like roulette and dice, I'd say they still will persist cause no amount of cracking down or observation will work on a game like roulette that is basically following the laws of physics. So unless we get a quantum computer that could crack that with pinpoint-accuracy, these games will persist and AI will not as you put it, "win the house".
I think the same, both a quantum computer and a good AI specialized in predictions and games of chance is the only way I see to be able to beat a bookmaker, but there is still a long way to go for that, the first one has not even been released quantum computer and there is no advance in an AI specialized in prediction, even so a quantum PC is not the solution because it is or would be called a 1st generation of quantum computers, they would need improvements (like AI) for that reason I would think that there could be a better way to have control over this technology and that the results are truly good.

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June 03, 2023, 08:23:58 AM
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AI are smarter than humans, that's big advantage for AI in gambling than we humans, we have emotions and feelings, AI have none, so it's easier to say that AI can easily make the right calls and this will increase the chance of winning in gambling, it's possible.

But I still have my doubt, AI makes those calling base of calculations and data (history) but this isn't the way with many online casino games, data is a no, calculation is available on very limited numbers of games, the majority of online casino games are pure game of luck, I still wonder how AI will perform here, unless it has a way to get into the casino games data and make predictions on data.


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June 03, 2023, 10:22:16 AM
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AI are smarter than humans, that's big advantage for AI in gambling than we humans, we have emotions and feelings, AI have none, so it's easier to say that AI can easily make the right calls and this will increase the chance of winning in gambling, it's possible.

But I still have my doubt, AI makes those calling base of calculations and data (history) but this isn't the way with many online casino games, data is a no, calculation is available on very limited numbers of games, the majority of online casino games are pure game of luck, I still wonder how AI will perform here, unless it has a way to get into the casino games data and make predictions on data.
And AI can play gambling without emotion which can also avoid the problem of gambling addiction that humans often experience. But with control from us, we still have to have good self-control so we don't get addicted to using AI. But maybe once we've set commands for the AI, we can leave the AI to do other things.

Well, maybe the AI makes the call based on the data and calculations it has collected but still, we have to process the data to put it to good use. But I'm curious if AI is used for online casino-based games because it usually depends on luck. Maybe someone can use AI in sports betting because AI can quickly collect data from previous matches.

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June 03, 2023, 03:52:53 PM
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AI are smarter than humans, that's big advantage for AI in gambling than we humans, we have emotions and feelings, AI have none, so it's easier to say that AI can easily make the right calls and this will increase the chance of winning in gambling, it's possible.

But I still have my doubt, AI makes those calling base of calculations and data (history) but this isn't the way with many online casino games, data is a no, calculation is available on very limited numbers of games, the majority of online casino games are pure game of luck, I still wonder how AI will perform here, unless it has a way to get into the casino games data and make predictions on data.
No they are not. They are only created by the humans so therefore humans are still the ones who are smarter than them but no matter how smart the human is, this is still not enough to beat the gambling house. Many have tried and yet they all fail. How much more the AI. Do you think they can do something? No, I don't really think so but they can only get lucky just like we humans do and win the bet.

It might give a false impression to someone else that they are working. Worse is they can bet big amounts above their capacity and then lose the bet this time. I just hope it won't lead to that. That is one of the disasters that an AI can cause to a human.

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