How succesful will AI projects be to win the house?

[serjent05]

     -      You know, I will not deny that AI helps us a lot in terms of searching something that we don't know or want to know, it will give us the right answer. but when it comes to gambling in a  casino it is quite impossible for Ai to beat the house in the casino.

That's why most are influencers. saying that they earn a lot from Ai is just exaggeration, that's the truth. Those influencers are just scammers and deceivers. That's why I hope others don't rely on the to same title made by op.

I have suggested in previous posts that the only way an artificial intelligence would actually beat the house would be if the AI managed to somehow hack into the casino's system / random number generator, which besides of illegal, is very unlikely to happen. It would imply some developers would give those AI the hability to code or analize code. Does not sound ethical, in my opinion.

As it stands, AI is just supposed to be a tool to enhance access to information and aid gambler to keep track of their activity.

I agree and I also read your previous post about what you said but it seems very impossible or even very slim chance that AI can hack the random number generator because as far as I know the system is very difficult to hack.
It even more ridiculous when I see that there are so many fraudsters in my area spreading fake news about a tool to beat slot game with a series of AI applications to manipulate slot games while application has been infiltrated with malware which will later suck up that person balance.
So the people who spread the news are one of the scammer acquiring that AI can be used to beat the house but behind all that he is just a scammer who takes advantage of the conditions of AI trends to make a profit.

It is possible if the player have third-party hack powered by AI to penetrate the game security and manipulate the result or can be able read the script/code and be able to determine the next result and align the bet of the player to win.

This is more on hacking with AI support which is known illegal and subject to ban and possible lawsuit.  And this shows that using AI script that is not injected into the core of the game will never 100% guess the right answer because there are too many variable and the RNG prevents them in guessing even with a sophisticated calculator equipped.

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[wiss19]

I don't know as it works well, but just as the AI develops and analyzes each play well, the AI can do more things, because it Analyzes a game, knows what to play and the odds increase, I'm not saying that the AI will beat the casino at once , but if you can help make the best play.

Well, currently, this is not yet working so fine, and I can say that it's not yet winning the house, and before it can do that, it needs to be so successful that many gamblers might have used it and confirmed that it works quite well in making more wins than they do. Just as Wiwo has said, the AI is becoming successful in some other areas of life and helping one's activities to speed up, and that's to say that if it's fully integrated into the casinos and it's able to make more successful wins than normal gamblers, then it can quickly spread among gamblers.

People need to understand that if an AI model becomes able to actually beat the house, it won't be accessible for everyone for free but the developers will ask for payment for everyone in order to get access to it just like GPT-4 which you can't access unless you pay a monthly fee for it, and, I don't think that they will ask for a small amount for it knowing that it is able to beat the house and make someone win a lot of money, so they will ask a hefty amount for it.

And, a regular gambler would never be able to pay a lot of money only to buy access to the AI model that they can use to beat the house and win some money because they wouldn't have that much. So, though it's not happening, even if it does, it won't be as successful and usable as a lot of us might be thinking.

[mak013]

The only thing that can make casino allow gambler to win is the law. As i know all casino`s bots has a program with winning percentage. If the casino can get more money from the gamblers - they do it. It is just a business and the profit is the main goal. If the AI will allow to increase gamblers winrate - the casino will use AI to decrease it to minimal allowed.

It will be a never-ending battle between AI-wielding casinos and AI-wielding gamblers and we will see who will win. But at least the casinos will still win lots of money because it's their business so the gamblers will lose. And because it's the business that can make the casino bigger, especially if the casino applies AI it can protect its business from the AI wave that will come soon.

And no matter how strong the AI that will be used against the casino, the casino will be able to survive and will take the most money because many gamblers will lose playing gambling. And only with the awareness to continue using gambling as a medium of entertainment can we do and don't need to depend on anything to get pleasure from gambling. Just use money sparingly and enjoy gambling as entertainment.

Exactly. The only thing i think else is that the number of gambler will decrease. No one want to lose every game - the gamblers who willn`t use AI will change hobby. Or, possible it would be some part of casino without AI, but i don`t know how it is possible to realize.

[slapper]

I don't know as it works well, but just as the AI develops and analyzes each play well, the AI can do more things, because it Analyzes a game, knows what to play and the odds increase, I'm not saying that the AI will beat the casino at once , but if you can help make the best play.

Well, currently, this is not yet working so fine, and I can say that it's not yet winning the house, and before it can do that, it needs to be so successful that many gamblers might have used it and confirmed that it works quite well in making more wins than they do. Just as Wiwo has said, the AI is becoming successful in some other areas of life and helping one's activities to speed up, and that's to say that if it's fully integrated into the casinos and it's able to make more successful wins than normal gamblers, then it can quickly spread among gamblers.

People need to understand that if an AI model becomes able to actually beat the house, it won't be accessible for everyone for free but the developers will ask for payment for everyone in order to get access to it just like GPT-4 which you can't access unless you pay a monthly fee for it, and, I don't think that they will ask for a small amount for it knowing that it is able to beat the house and make someone win a lot of money, so they will ask a hefty amount for it.

And, a regular gambler would never be able to pay a lot of money only to buy access to the AI model that they can use to beat the house and win some money because they wouldn't have that much. So, though it's not happening, even if it does, it won't be as successful and usable as a lot of us might be thinking.

Sure, the developers will charge an arm and a leg for it; that's basic economics, supply and demand! Do you think Elon Musk gives away Teslas for free? Of course not. Anything that's worth its salt will come at a price

The part where you say a regular gambler couldn't afford it is where you go wrong. People make investments to get returns. Those who can't afford it could pool their resources. And remember, no one starts with a fortune; you build it. Access to such a game-changing technology would be a golden ticket, and people will find a way to pay for it, even if it's expensive. It's about ambition, the desire to win big

[Wiwo]

Sure, the developers will charge an arm and a leg for it; that's basic economics, supply and demand! Do you think Elon Musk gives away Teslas for free? Of course not. Anything that's worth its salt will come at a price

The part where you say a regular gambler couldn't afford it is where you go wrong. People make investments to get returns. Those who can't afford it could pool their resources. And remember, no one starts with a fortune; you build it. Access to such a game-changing technology would be a golden ticket, and people will find a way to pay for it, even if it's expensive. It's about ambition, the desire to win big

AI developers are one of the highest suit after services lately and one have to be certain of the amount that is required to get one performing and accurate one and I am sure that,  if gamblers have proven record of success with the AI it becomes easy and necessary to spend the money in acquiring it.

But the bigger question is,  have there been any proven successful AI developers that have been able to beat the house edge to give the gambler winning on a steady basis and has anyone used it to know its success rate?

[ethereumhunter]

Exactly. The only thing i think else is that the number of gambler will decrease. No one want to lose every game - the gamblers who willn`t use AI will change hobby. Or, possible it would be some part of casino without AI, but i don`t know how it is possible to realize.

But it seems that even though AI has been widely implemented, there are still gamblers who will still gamble in many casinos. They might not have many chances to win without using AI but they will still gamble because it is the fun they seek. And even though the casino implements AI for its system, it doesn't stop the gamblers because they might still hope to win from the casino even though the winnings are not big.

However, gamblers who use AI will try their best to beat the casino. They think their chances of winning will be greater by using AI. But we know that it is the casino that will win the most.

[mak013]

Exactly. The only thing i think else is that the number of gambler will decrease. No one want to lose every game - the gamblers who willn`t use AI will change hobby. Or, possible it would be some part of casino without AI, but i don`t know how it is possible to realize.

But it seems that even though AI has been widely implemented, there are still gamblers who will still gamble in many casinos. They might not have many chances to win without using AI but they will still gamble because it is the fun they seek. And even though the casino implements AI for its system, it doesn't stop the gamblers because they might still hope to win from the casino even though the winnings are not big.

However, gamblers who use AI will try their best to beat the casino. They think their chances of winning will be greater by using AI. But we know that it is the casino that will win the most.

Not so. Today just small part of gamblers trying to use AI in gambling. That`s why the common gambler has a good chance to win sometimes - the casino has a winning percentage, so due to small part of "AI" gamblers all other gamblers can win. But if the part of "AI" gamblers will grow up seriously, they will win the most prizes and the common gamblers will lose the most times. And casino will get the same profit but from the gamblers without AI.

[piebeyb]

However, gamblers who use AI will try their best to beat the casino. They think their chances of winning will be greater by using AI. But we know that it is the casino that will win the most.

Usually people who are new to this technology must feel sure and confident that this technology can help them to win against casinos just because they use AI, after all if only they knew that casinos are much smarter than us we definitely won't do it, just as an example, for example, if we cheat, their system will detect it, especially if we win in a row, I think their system will also detect it using a more sophisticated AI system.

Casinos and bookies will always win against you and other gamblers on their sites, so don't ever try to do silly things like that because they anticipate technology from time to time and update their game systems, always remember that dealers and casinos will always win because if they lose, they go bankrupt and go out of business, gamble for fun 

[ethereumhunter]

Not so. Today just small part of gamblers trying to use AI in gambling. That`s why the common gambler has a good chance to win sometimes - the casino has a winning percentage, so due to small part of "AI" gamblers all other gamblers can win. But if the part of "AI" gamblers will grow up seriously, they will win the most prizes and the common gamblers will lose the most times. And casino will get the same profit but from the gamblers without AI.

Maybe only a small number of gamblers have tried to use AI in gambling because maybe they are the people chosen by the developers to test their success in using AI. But after all, both gamblers who use AI and regular gamblers still have a chance to win and if the casino uses AI too, the chances of winning will be difficult for all gamblers because they have to deal with the AI the casino has. But that still gives gamblers a chance to win because they still have luck playing gambling. But it seems that ordinary gamblers still enjoy gambling even though they don't use AI, especially those who only play gambling because they want to have fun.

Usually people who are new to this technology must feel sure and confident that this technology can help them to win against casinos just because they use AI, after all if only they knew that casinos are much smarter than us we definitely won't do it, just as an example, for example, if we cheat, their system will detect it, especially if we win in a row, I think their system will also detect it using a more sophisticated AI system.

Casinos and bookies will always win against you and other gamblers on their sites, so don't ever try to do silly things like that because they anticipate technology from time to time and update their game systems, always remember that dealers and casinos will always win because if they lose, they go bankrupt and go out of business, gamble for fun 

It has become common for people who are enthusiastic about this new technology, especially if they have tried it and seen the results. They really hope to beat the casino and get a big win to make up for their previous losses. But they don't think what will happen if the casino applies the same technology to block those who use AI. And this is why in the near future, maybe we will see the development of this AI technology in all businesses so that competition in the gambling sector will become even tighter.

The casino and the banda will indeed win against us, even if we use AI because we must remember that the casino is their business and no one sees their business suffer a loss from a system. They will update their system to a more sophisticated one so that they still have the opportunity to benefit from their business. And only ordinary casinos who don't want to keep up with technological developments will go bankrupt because they might lose their money because many gamblers eventually win.

[ScamViruS]

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It is also important to ensure that the casino provides a safe platform to play. AI typically use encrypted software and provide technical support for players. But AI are very difficult for common people because these systems are working with the improvement of technology but the computing power is increasing at a significant rate every year. As this technology collects much more information about people, and can process that information faster than humans, it has an impact on the lives of ordinary people.

AI is currently becoming more advanced and we may see more advanced AI in the near future that can make decisions faster than normal humans. AI will be widely used in various sectors including gambling. We are already seeing a lot of things that AI is taking control of. If you pay attention to crypto trading, you will see how the market uses your emotions to control you, it is not easy to control without AI so perfectly.

So will be the case with gambling, AI will collect the information of the gamblers to create a system where winning will be the main challenge for a gambler. While we may not yet see the full impact of how difficult AI will be, we may soon see how difficult it is to play against AI.

[Wiwo]

AI is currently becoming more advanced and we may see more advanced AI in the near future that can make decisions faster than normal humans. AI will be widely used in various sectors including gambling. We are already seeing a lot of things that AI is taking control of. If you pay attention to crypto trading, you will see how the market uses your emotions to control you, it is not easy to control without AI so perfectly.

So will be the case with gambling, AI will collect the information of the gamblers to create a system where winning will be the main challenge for a gambler. While we may not yet see the full impact of how difficult AI will be, we may soon see how difficult it is to play against AI.

I agree with that part that you said in the near future we will be seeing almost of successful AI that could works 5x faster than human and that could be able to accelerate the success we may records in areas were those AIs will be used and specifically since the discussion is about the possibility AI success to beat the house.

Casinos may act proactively to salvage such results since gambling machines are sometimes developed to always put the house an edge against the players and if AI couldn't break that protocol set it then may still be unlikely to win even with all its analysis or 5x faster decisions and actions based on the available information to the AI to make such decision.

[Blitzboy]

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It is also important to ensure that the casino provides a safe platform to play. AI typically use encrypted software and provide technical support for players. But AI are very difficult for common people because these systems are working with the improvement of technology but the computing power is increasing at a significant rate every year. As this technology collects much more information about people, and can process that information faster than humans, it has an impact on the lives of ordinary people.

AI is currently becoming more advanced and we may see more advanced AI in the near future that can make decisions faster than normal humans. AI will be widely used in various sectors including gambling. We are already seeing a lot of things that AI is taking control of. If you pay attention to crypto trading, you will see how the market uses your emotions to control you, it is not easy to control without AI so perfectly.

So will be the case with gambling, AI will collect the information of the gamblers to create a system where winning will be the main challenge for a gambler. While we may not yet see the full impact of how difficult AI will be, we may soon see how difficult it is to play against AI.

Even worse, are AI-powered casinos and online gambling sites present? To give the entire game to an extremely clever extraterrestrial culture would be equivalent to doing that. Do you believe that modern casinos are tied? Await the day when artificial intelligence, with its infinite recall and forecasting skills, takes over!

You correctly brought up cryptocurrency trading as an example. Even experienced traders have lost everything because of these nasty algorithms' excellent manipulation of market sentiment. A group of ones and zeroes are choreographing this massive spectacle! You intend to take this on in a gaming situation, right? Success with that, I hope!

Indeed, the full AI avalanche in gaming is still a ways off. Okay, so get ready. Naturally, the home will always come out on top when it does get popular. Its plain old dominance, not evolution!

[Shamm]

However, gamblers who use AI will try their best to beat the casino. They think their chances of winning will be greater by using AI. But we know that it is the casino that will win the most.

Usually people who are new to this technology must feel sure and confident that this technology can help them to win against casinos just because they use AI, after all if only they knew that casinos are much smarter than us we definitely won't do it, just as an example, for example, if we cheat, their system will detect it, especially if we win in a row, I think their system will also detect it using a more sophisticated AI system.

Casinos and bookies will always win against you and other gamblers on their sites, so don't ever try to do silly things like that because they anticipate technology from time to time and update their game systems, always remember that dealers and casinos will always win because if they lose, they go bankrupt and go out of business, gamble for fun 

If a gambler will use AI to bet in the casino then that's a big advantages cause AI will know some of the things that human can not do. Which means there's a high percentage of winning if you will use AI. BUT always remember that the owner of the casino is not just poor enough to be defeated in short the owner is already know that there's a chance that gamblers can use AI to play in his casino so The casino owner will make a way to stop that AI.

[ScamViruS]

AI is currently becoming more advanced and we may see more advanced AI in the near future that can make decisions faster than normal humans. AI will be widely used in various sectors including gambling. We are already seeing a lot of things that AI is taking control of. If you pay attention to crypto trading, you will see how the market uses your emotions to control you, it is not easy to control without AI so perfectly.

So will be the case with gambling, AI will collect the information of the gamblers to create a system where winning will be the main challenge for a gambler. While we may not yet see the full impact of how difficult AI will be, we may soon see how difficult it is to play against AI.

I agree with that part that you said in the near future we will be seeing almost of successful AI that could works 5x faster than human and that could be able to accelerate the success we may records in areas were those AIs will be used and specifically since the discussion is about the possibility AI success to beat the house.

Businesses will want to use it when they see their revenue increase, AI is becoming an attractive system because people are still less experienced with this AI. Normal gamblers will definitely have a tough time in the near future, because competing with humans can win, but competing with AI will be very difficult. Many others, including myself, may be waiting to see what changes will come in the future. And whether the gambling community can come up with a solution using AI.

You correctly brought up cryptocurrency trading as an example. Even experienced traders have lost everything because of these nasty algorithms' excellent manipulation of market sentiment. A group of ones and zeroes are choreographing this massive spectacle! You intend to take this on in a gaming situation, right? Success with that, I hope!

There is no worse example than this Now, from what has happened in the crypto market, crypto traders understand very well how terrible AI is and how it can control the market in any direction. So how much impact AI can have on the gambling industry is beyond the imagination of normal gamblers like us.

[Wiwo]

AI is currently becoming more advanced and we may see more advanced AI in the near future that can make decisions faster than normal humans. AI will be widely used in various sectors including gambling. We are already seeing a lot of things that AI is taking control of. If you pay attention to crypto trading, you will see how the market uses your emotions to control you, it is not easy to control without AI so perfectly.

So will be the case with gambling, AI will collect the information of the gamblers to create a system where winning will be the main challenge for a gambler. While we may not yet see the full impact of how difficult AI will be, we may soon see how difficult it is to play against AI.

I agree with that part that you said in the near future we will be seeing almost of successful AI that could works 5x faster than human and that could be able to accelerate the success we may records in areas were those AIs will be used and specifically since the discussion is about the possibility AI success to beat the house.

Businesses will want to use it when they see their revenue increase, AI is becoming an attractive system because people are still less experienced with this AI. Normal gamblers will definitely have a tough time in the near future, because competing with humans can win, but competing with AI will be very difficult. Many others, including myself, may be waiting to see what changes will come in the future. And whether the gambling community can come up with a solution using AI.

You correctly brought up cryptocurrency trading as an example. Even experienced traders have lost everything because of these nasty algorithms' excellent manipulation of market sentiment. A group of ones and zeroes are choreographing this massive spectacle! You intend to take this on in a gaming situation, right? Success with that, I hope!

There is no worse example than this Now, from what has happened in the crypto market, crypto traders understand very well how terrible AI is and how it can control the market in any direction. So how much impact AI can have on the gambling industry is beyond the imagination of normal gamblers like us.

The anxiety is whether or not AI will improve human life on work against the improvement of human experience on casinos and other sectors e.g trading, but none the less I am very positive that in the near future humans will be able to build superior knowledge to combat Artificial Intelligence where the need be,  and such areas like trading,  gambling which is more prevalent to us here in this discussion AI won't be able to 100% defeat human,  even though the chances are there but with its of knowledge,  skills and experience of the human he should be able to build a formidable resistant and be able to beat AI to it.

If casinos should adopt AI as for the in-house games against the gambler then it could be something that will bring further pain to gamblers since the house edge is already draining gamblers' resources and chances of winning, If AI is included that means the ordinary gamblers are will only be left with Sportsbet and football games prediction since those events are live event and AI can't manipulate its outcome,  but other casino games that are in the house will be avoided due to AI adoption by casinos so that will also affect their business.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

      -     If there are gamblers who use such, it is usually gambling bots that have been designed or programmed to be used, but it is still not accurate to say that they will win all games. because that's all that's been programmed up to that point.

Now, if there are still other gamblers who want to be able to identify the patterns in their playing, maybe the AI they use is powered analytic, but even so, we know that the advantage is always with the house edge and no one else.

[mak013]

Not so. Today just small part of gamblers trying to use AI in gambling. That`s why the common gambler has a good chance to win sometimes - the casino has a winning percentage, so due to small part of "AI" gamblers all other gamblers can win. But if the part of "AI" gamblers will grow up seriously, they will win the most prizes and the common gamblers will lose the most times. And casino will get the same profit but from the gamblers without AI.

Maybe only a small number of gamblers have tried to use AI in gambling because maybe they are the people chosen by the developers to test their success in using AI. But after all, both gamblers who use AI and regular gamblers still have a chance to win and if the casino uses AI too, the chances of winning will be difficult for all gamblers because they have to deal with the AI the casino has. But that still gives gamblers a chance to win because they still have luck playing gambling. But it seems that ordinary gamblers still enjoy gambling even though they don't use AI, especially those who only play gambling because they want to have fun.

Nope. Of course casino can test AI but they don`t need gamblers for it - they have their own testers. And if the gamblers get opportunity to use AI - some of them, who qualified enough and wants to maximize his profit - they will use AI everywhere it is possible. And when it will become easy to use - the AI will be used by big quantity of gamblers and the gamblers who gamble just for fun(like me) will only lose and it wouldn`t be fun.

[ethereumhunter]

Nope. Of course casino can test AI but they don`t need gamblers for it - they have their own testers. And if the gamblers get opportunity to use AI - some of them, who qualified enough and wants to maximize his profit - they will use AI everywhere it is possible. And when it will become easy to use - the AI will be used by big quantity of gamblers and the gamblers who gamble just for fun(like me) will only lose and it wouldn`t be fun.

Yes, the casino has a team to test the AI to see how it is progressing in their casino so they can determine when they will launch the AI or keep the AI secret in their casino. But if there are gamblers the casino invites to try the AI, it is a good opportunity for them because they can see what kind of technology the casino will implement. The gamblers can also think about how they can win the game even though winning the game is still a difficult thing to do.

Gamblers like us who only use gambling for fun will not think about how the AI works or what the AI will be like because we just want to enjoy our gambling time and don't expect to achieve any goals. But if we can still win from the casino even though the casino has implemented AI, it will be a surprise for us because it turns out that we still have a chance to win and still have the luck to win.

[so98nn]

     -      You know, I will not deny that AI helps us a lot in terms of searching something that we don't know or want to know, it will give us the right answer. but when it comes to gambling in a  casino it is quite impossible for Ai to beat the house in the casino.

That's why most are influencers. saying that they earn a lot from Ai is just exaggeration, that's the truth. Those influencers are just scammers and deceivers. That's why I hope others don't rely on the to same title made by op.

I have suggested in previous posts that the only way an artificial intelligence would actually beat the house would be if the AI managed to somehow hack into the casino's system / random number generator, which besides of illegal, is very unlikely to happen. It would imply some developers would give those AI the hability to code or analize code. Does not sound ethical, in my opinion.

As it stands, AI is just supposed to be a tool to enhance access to information and aid gambler to keep track of their activity.

I agree and I also read your previous post about what you said but it seems very impossible or even very slim chance that AI can hack the random number generator because as far as I know the system is very difficult to hack.
It even more ridiculous when I see that there are so many fraudsters in my area spreading fake news about a tool to beat slot game with a series of AI applications to manipulate slot games while application has been infiltrated with malware which will later suck up that person balance.
So the people who spread the news are one of the scammer acquiring that AI can be used to beat the house but behind all that he is just a scammer who takes advantage of the conditions of AI trends to make a profit.

It is possible if the player have third-party hack powered by AI to penetrate the game security and manipulate the result or can be able read the script/code and be able to determine the next result and align the bet of the player to win.

This is more on hacking with AI support which is known illegal and subject to ban and possible lawsuit.  And this shows that using AI script that is not injected into the core of the game will never 100% guess the right answer because there are too many variable and the RNG prevents them in guessing even with a sophisticated calculator equipped.

I think it is hard to think that AI can do it. There were topics where AI can do a trading for you and now here we are AI can also gamble. I don't understand one thing in this case scenario --> If you gamble with the AI, where is FUN? This is straight up with the intention to loot the casino and make money out of it quickly. However, those who think AI's can work and this is future then RIP the entire concept because there is simple algorithm that is always playing its trick behind every casino and that is called as House Edge %.

I am pretty sure every gambler knows this very well. You can not and will never win the house edge if it is programmed that way. An AI might give you some winning automatically but it will have to surrender the money when house edge is in effect. I don't know how even they are thinking about it?

[vv181]

      -     If there are gamblers who use such, it is usually gambling bots that have been designed or programmed to be used, but it is still not accurate to say that they will win all games. because that's all that's been programmed up to that point.

Indeed, the particular subject video shared by OP is merely an attempt to make the bot play the game, it does not necessarily and specifically make for gambling bots. The AI, in this case, is only a tool that helps to achieve something, whether it is to play the game or build a tool/bot for some specific game.

People need to understand that if an AI model becomes able to actually beat the house, it won't be accessible for everyone for free~

The house/system never loses. If it is able to be beaten by anything in a non-destructive way like hacking, the system is inherently broken. So this case is not a matter of whether it is possible to beat the house or not, but rather that systemic failure if the house has the potential to be beaten.