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September 01, 2023, 10:30:58 PM
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I don't understand one thing in this case scenario --> If you gamble with the AI, where is FUN? This is straight up with the intention to loot the casino and make money out of it quickly.

I mean. You gotta remember that we already have people who is willing (and somehow find entertaining) to see other gamble their money on streaming platforms during entire hours. It is pretty mush similar to those who watch lets plays on Youtube instead buying video games themselves.

So, if there are some many people out there who have fun watching gambling streams, then it is safe to assume they would no problem if they could use an artificial intelligence to automate their gambling sessions and at the same time improving their winning rates by some percentage points. I would not even about looting a casino, because we all know no casino would allow that to happen, they are a business; it is rather about enhancing their gambling experience.

But still i do not get it as how we can win through the AI on the gambling site. The gambling site will not let us integrate the AI tools with the site and having an AI bot which do not have an API linked with the online gambling site is useless. Think of it, that if we do bot trading, the bots are linked with the exchanges.

However the casino owners won't give us this privillage or will they ?

I think you are very correct because no casino will allow us to use AI on there platform when it is obvious that the reason will definitely for the sake of making profits. Those would understand what it takes for us to incorporate our bot on a site will understand that process that is involved. This might not even be the case. There are people that uses AI to forecast bets which a casino can never prevent since that is not done on there platform and without any instructions.









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September 02, 2023, 06:20:45 AM
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They can conduct tests internally, but it's also essential to involve external testers to evaluate whether the project is effective. However, this AI project seems extremely ambitious, aiming to beat the house, which, in the long run, has proven to be a challenging feat. I'm highly skeptical that any AI project can consistently achieve this goal. If such a project were to succeed, it would indeed have a significant impact on the gambling industry.
Usually, after the casino is done with internal testing, they will invite external testers to participate in testing the application so they can find out what is still lacking and what needs to be improved to achieve the desired results. It will take a long time because everyone on the testing team will see the results daily and compare them with what others are getting. Maybe this AI project looks ambitious but if it succeeds, it will change the gambling industry to the next level where technology will play a bigger role with AI in it.

And yes, this is something that challenges developers to look deeper and go all out to create something that has never existed before. They may hope to be successful one day after several more developments can support their work.

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September 02, 2023, 06:33:30 AM
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I don't understand one thing in this case scenario --> If you gamble with the AI, where is FUN? This is straight up with the intention to loot the casino and make money out of it quickly.

I mean. You gotta remember that we already have people who is willing (and somehow find entertaining) to see other gamble their money on streaming platforms during entire hours. It is pretty mush similar to those who watch lets plays on Youtube instead buying video games themselves.

So, if there are some many people out there who have fun watching gambling streams, then it is safe to assume they would no problem if they could use an artificial intelligence to automate their gambling sessions and at the same time improving their winning rates by some percentage points. I would not even about looting a casino, because we all know no casino would allow that to happen, they are a business; it is rather about enhancing their gambling experience.
We can see that AI dominance keep increasing and we shall not be surprised if things get clingy and many people will start using artificial intelligence in there various businesses. This is gambling and I have seen some of the gaming bots that are very unique in the results they give better than what an ordinary human can get as a result. We should be surprised if things get out of hands and gamblers will start utilizing there intellectual to create there own bots monetizing it at the same time using it to make more money for themselves.
With the advancement of technology artificial intelligence is working so well that most of the gamblers are starting to use it for their better results. But i think when it comes to gambling own experience is more useful than bots AI applications go deeper into the business to deliver better and more accurate solutions. AI can also be used to suggest additional items to your customers by analyzing the products they are using or have used. AI enables technical systems to perceive their environment deal with what they perceive solve problems and act to achieve a specific goal in gambling it usually depends more on luck.

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September 03, 2023, 06:35:16 AM
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The differ is that such gamblers/testers don`t gamble. They just testing casino for some fixed(mostly) payment or for free. It is even possible that the casino can create some additional website for open tests, but anyway it willn`t be gambling as for me.
And of course testing is useful and it is a component of the standard testing procedure. But until it is used for gambling and bounty campaign is started on the main server - it only tests and we can`t talk about gambling against the AI in this casino seriously.
Yes, they don't gamble but only check the application. But we will never know whether they really don't gamble or will gamble after receiving a fixed payout from the casino. And even if they end up gambling, they can use that money to try and win some games.

Testing is a procedure to find out how appropriate the application is and to what extent it can run well. And if something is missing, they can still fix it before releasing it to the public. And if that testing isn't enough, they can hold an open review contest that gets even more people to try out the app.
It doesn`t matter how they use their salary. Any way they got money for job but not for gambling. And when their job is ended they can do what they want. I don`t think that they can get some secret or very useful information during testing that can help them win the house.

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September 03, 2023, 08:51:13 AM
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It doesn`t matter how they use their salary. Any way they got money for job but not for gambling. And when their job is ended they can do what they want. I don`t think that they can get some secret or very useful information during testing that can help them win the house.
Maybe they can get ideas or anything useful for them in gambling. The important thing is that they can get money that they can use for many things. However, the AI project will continue because there is an intention from the developers to try to beat the existing system in the casino. And while casinos will eventually use AI, the developers will stop at nothing to find an AI that can beat the casinos. It will be a never-ending battle between developers and casinos who will each create systems that can attack and protect their respective systems. And we as gamblers, can try the system to see how well it works. And developers and casinos will try to stay one step ahead to get what they want.

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AIs would go a long way in rehabilitating the system... It'll also create loops for several gamblers to manipulate the whole system as its a counter revolution on whatever instructions every casino developer must have imbedded in the domains...
I must say - if chances are NOT taken professionally - things might go outta hand and,...and the casinos would stand a chance to lose everything they've got in stock... honestly, cus what else??

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September 03, 2023, 10:25:48 PM
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AIs would go a long way in rehabilitating the system... It'll also create loops for several gamblers to manipulate the whole system as its a counter revolution on whatever instructions every casino developer must have imbedded in the domains...
I must say - if chances are NOT taken professionally - things might go outta hand and,...and the casinos would stand a chance to lose everything they've got in stock... honestly, cus what else??

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This means AI programs are injected into the casino gambling system.  This is more like a cheat and is illegal which can cause the account to be banned.  For the AI program to effectively know the result of the game, they need access to the game's database which a typical AI cannot do in a normal way unless the owner's intention is to hack the server and make his AI program modify the game's system in his favor.

But if anyone uses AI to know the result of the wagering without injecting it into the system, they will find it not be able to help at all.

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September 03, 2023, 11:39:03 PM
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AIs would go a long way in rehabilitating the system... It'll also create loops for several gamblers to manipulate the whole system as its a counter revolution on whatever instructions every casino developer must have imbedded in the domains...
I must say - if chances are NOT taken professionally - things might go outta hand and,...and the casinos would stand a chance to lose everything they've got in stock... honestly, cus what else??

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but i highly doubt casinos won't have the intel before such situation happens. because they are in this business, whatever developments in tech, they should know it.
so before they go bankrupt owed to AI, they more then likely have shutdown their business. they won't wait up until they are broke and close the site.

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September 04, 2023, 07:09:58 AM
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AIs would go a long way in rehabilitating the system... It'll also create loops for several gamblers to manipulate the whole system as its a counter revolution on whatever instructions every casino developer must have imbedded in the domains...
I must say - if chances are NOT taken professionally - things might go outta hand and,...and the casinos would stand a chance to lose everything they've got in stock... honestly, cus what else??

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It's true that this could lead to a lot of problems for the casino and they should prepare for such a situation before. In case we get sophisticated AI systems that can beat the casino on a regular basis its use would be banned by the casino immediately. Even if the number of users with AI gambling strategies is relatively small it could still lead to devastating losses for the casino and they would need react quickly to not go bankrupt. One way for them to notice an issue in their gambling operations would be large withdrawal requests by few players that never deposit a lot of money. I would expect that any modern casino has automated supervision in place for such cases and would should down system as soon as there is an issue. That is why I don't think AI is going to have a big impact for the average gambler and their strategies. A lucky few that use AI first might be able to get advantages out of it, but until it becomes available for everyone the casinos will have reacted to it already.
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It doesn`t matter how they use their salary. Any way they got money for job but not for gambling. And when their job is ended they can do what they want. I don`t think that they can get some secret or very useful information during testing that can help them win the house.
Maybe they can get ideas or anything useful for them in gambling. The important thing is that they can get money that they can use for many things. However, the AI project will continue because there is an intention from the developers to try to beat the existing system in the casino. And while casinos will eventually use AI, the developers will stop at nothing to find an AI that can beat the casinos. It will be a never-ending battle between developers and casinos who will each create systems that can attack and protect their respective systems. And we as gamblers, can try the system to see how well it works. And developers and casinos will try to stay one step ahead to get what they want.
I don`t think that the testers will get some useful information about the AI but if they didn`t gamble before they can get some experience in gambling and get some money for it. It is win-win situation: the casino get testers that don`t know anything about gambling and the testers, who don`t know anything about gambling get experience for free and even some money for it. Of course casino also will use some serious gamblers for tests - they need different types of gamblers to teach the AI.
And of course the gamblers will try to create AI that can win the casino AI. The problem here that the common gambler, that don`t want to use any additional software will lose.

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Yes, there are many ways to think that some players are only interested in winning in a casino, they are not interested in playing and having fun, they do not activate that adrenaline, much less activate the impulse because they Encourage you to continue playing or doing other types of things , no, there are players who are only interested in playing to win and that's it, then obviously if you choose between winning or having fun, they will choose to earn money without having fun, this for some, then come the solutions in an AI robot where you can to guarantee that you can win , then the issue is not so complex in this case, because for now, as I have said, the AI has been born for many, which they see as fashion, or it is a fashion, because honestly with all the boom it has had It is something impressive, so it is also a way of entertaining other people, because I know that in stronger state organizations like NASA and others they are with other things, which are much more advanced than the AI itself.

So an AI for many is seen as the Holy Grail , but they should not see it that way because the AI for now is not suitable to launch it into a casino and beat it, there is a lot to work on, it still needs a lot , but honestly I do not rule out that in some years they manage to optimize the AI so much that if they could threaten the security of a casino, it is for this reason that now the casinos have already been taking the reins over this, as well as all the systems in the world, including the banking ones, to protect yourself Against these AI things, because we all know that there are a lot of people in the world who are very smart and obviously right now they are working to make a robot that will obviously defeat security systems and get into a casino to make them able to to win, that is something that is over-thought, of course what you say is very important, the meaning of fun, and Everything we feel when playing well, all that is lost, because a robot will do it all, the joy will be make money, but the enthusiasts and all the casinos will not be people who will feel good.

Casinos have always been about more than winning. Its about the thrill, experience, and racing heartbeats with each card turn. To reduce it to winning and then want an AI to help? That misses the point.

When you talk about players who play to win, you bring in AI. Here I disagree: AI shortcuts arent the answer. Sure, someone might win. But at what cost? The game has lost its spirit and fun. If we continue, casinos will become automated factories of soulless machines competing. Do we desire that future?

You said casinos are preparing for AI. They did well! Because I know that a game isnt entertaining if you're not playing. AI may be trendy, but lets not forget the human touch, true emotion, and what makes gambling (or any game) fun. If you're only in it for the money, reassess your priorities.

Yes, because eventually AI is very fashionable now, for the things that we can do, it is because many of the casino players may have a lot of things to do, however, AI sounds like a better way to do it in their heads. a shortcut to victory, but of course, this is about the ramp, but we all know that there are many players who aim for that in order to win anyway, obviously they will not feel any kind of pleasure when playing, they are only interested in making money , some players are so clear that they want to seek profits, not fun, that they resort to these things, casinos should always be one step ahead in terms of these things, firstly because they have to do different things to protect themselves, secondly the security team It must be reviewed every day so that it can be trusted, an audit made by blockchain would be ideal, however, experts are always needed to be able to determine when a person can be suspected or not, the traps sometimes start from those who work interannetly with a casino, becoming total accomplices of some robbery, this, or something like that that can make the casino look bad.

Having fun with people through casinos is something that Should be taken into consideration as the first instance of what should be Done , the other thing is that the casino complies with security standards, against AI and against any type of robbery that cheats use, In Addition to the vulnerabilities that exist in every casino, this is something that should be Considered , it is Always good to consider that the AI is not only for people who are fans, but for people in the world who are very Intelligent and know of AI programming and they are capable of making a robot wait and enter so that it can do something against the case, that is what should always be feared, not everything is safe, the more technological tools exist , it is more secure than a casino must Invest.

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September 05, 2023, 10:55:11 PM
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AIs would go a long way in rehabilitating the system... It'll also create loops for several gamblers to manipulate the whole system as its a counter revolution on whatever instructions every casino developer must have imbedded in the domains...
I must say - if chances are NOT taken professionally - things might go outta hand and,...and the casinos would stand a chance to lose everything they've got in stock... honestly, cus what else??

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Miss Sandra, that is rather an apocalyptic scenario  Wink
That sounds rather like the plot of a movie where some hackers create an artificial intelligence to carry out the biggest heist in the history of casino thievery. I would like to let you know that, even though they do not talk about those things in public, casinos are already evaluating and taking actions to protect themselves from any exploit which could be pulled off by a machine.

There is a good reason both exchanges and casinos have risk assessment teams or departments, to approach both security and legal risks which could slow down their normal operations. Though, I can understand you believe a world-ending AI would choose to destroy a casino (before unleashing nuclear weapons upon us), Hollywood had fed our fears to future technology for decades.  Roll Eyes

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