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March 14, 2023, 12:48:53 PM
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem. We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

Deceiving newbies with such a statement won't get Bitcoin the required recognition. It would only lead to more confusion and uncertainty as Banks have done for so long. Such a statement from a Bitcoin influencer would only tarnish the image of Bitcoin. Mcafee was known for such statements.

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March 14, 2023, 01:07:44 PM
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem. We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

Deceiving newbies with such a statement won't get Bitcoin the required recognition. It would only lead to more confusion and uncertainty as Banks have done for so long. Such a statement from a Bitcoin influencer would only tarnish the image of Bitcoin. Mcafee was known for such statements.



Yes, in my opinion, all of the above current payments can be made if you convert bitcoin to fiat currency on a monthly basis. 

Bitcoin can be compared to a bank in that it is a store of value.  Previously, bankers kept gold bars in their cellars, which were tightly locked with a key.  This gold allowed bankers to carry out monetary transactions - for example, to issue letters of exchange to clients. 

Bitcoin is our personal bank.  Its value is analogous to gold, and the private key is analogous to a large metal key from a secure basement - vault. 

Whoever owns bitcoin owns wealth and can periodically sell some of their digital gold to cover running costs.

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March 14, 2023, 01:22:15 PM
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Bitcoin cannot replace the traditional banking industry because banks provide many different services to us. But bitcoin can be our own bank, with bitcoin, we have full control over our assets. In terms of storing bitcoin assets, it is more secure than traditional banking. For example, when SVB goes bankrupt, if you deposit money there, maybe you won't lose your money, but if you need the money urgently and the bank collapses, you won't be able to withdraw your money to deal with the emergency. But with bitcoin, you won't have that problem, you can use it anytime.

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March 14, 2023, 01:23:29 PM
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem. We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

Deceiving newbies with such a statement won't get Bitcoin the required recognition. It would only lead to more confusion and uncertainty as Banks have done for so long. Such a statement from a Bitcoin influencer would only tarnish the image of Bitcoin. Mcafee was known for such statements.



Haha don't be confused and don't get frustrated by overthinking such points. When paper currency was started many people started their commenting on this that it won't stay long and it's not possible to apply in society but with time people get adapted to it until now even it was also true it won't stay longer compared to the historical systems. Now the same thing is happening with Bitcoin people are thinking it won't be applicable but bro with time they need to accept it whether its governments, Institutes, or locals need to accept it.

In the answer to your rest of the questions currently Answer is NO but we can enforce them to convert that No into Yes.

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March 14, 2023, 01:36:53 PM
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First we don't need banks. Second, yes to all. Can't do it in your country? Move to El Salvador. Blame your politicians for being fools, not Bitcoin.

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March 14, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
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Should incase you come across someone telling you all these unrealistic dreams about bitcoin, all you need to do is in giving them a response that "p2p is the solution to them all" because you can easily exchange your bitcoin through p2p in less than a minute and oay for the need you want to settle, and as a matter of fact, some people, businesses and organizations have already been including bitcoin acceptance in making their payment, but i understand location differences may be a barrier but should in cas you have such, don't let anyone decieve you, bitcoin is a digital currency and most of the landlords or petty traders might not have upgraded to this era, so use p2p to exchange your bitcoin to fiat for them.
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March 14, 2023, 01:45:59 PM
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First we don't need banks. Second, yes to all. Can't do it in your country? Move to El Salvador. Blame your politicians for being fools, not Bitcoin.

Please go through this thread -  While Everyone was Talking about El Salvador! We forgot about Guatemala
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March 14, 2023, 02:06:40 PM
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  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
If the property owner accepts payment in bitcoins, I will gladly make remittance in bitcoins.

  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
Big bills, yes! but not small little bills that cash can solve. little bills that look like nothing have a way of ruining someone's plan to save up. You think they are little, but in bits, they reduce your purse. If you start little unending bills with your bitcoins, it will difficult for you to keep bitcoins.

  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?
Again, if bitcoin is accepted for payment, there is no big deal.

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March 14, 2023, 02:12:47 PM
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem. We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

Deceiving newbies with such a statement won't get Bitcoin the required recognition. It would only lead to more confusion and uncertainty as Banks have done for so long. Such a statement from a Bitcoin influencer would only tarnish the image of Bitcoin. Mcafee was known for such statements.



All this listed payments ways are visible when bitcoin becomes legal tender like the fiats in banks. Almost all this seems payable with bank transfers so I don’t see the reason why it can’t be payed with bitcoin. The only thing is the recipient willingness to accept the payment in bitcoin. Although we aren’t there yet but gradual with the recent increase of business accepting it as mean of payment then one day we would all those listed been payed with bitcoin.

Also social media is a place where everyone say what they believe is the truth, Michael Saylor might be saying something good about bitcoin that doesn’t sit well with some people but they are also some lnfluencers tat say Worse against bitcoin. But no matter what is said no FUD or media stereotypes can tarnish bitcoin image

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March 14, 2023, 02:18:40 PM
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Bitcoin is a currency, why does it can't be used to pay mortgage, house rent, bills and medical bills? the problem is the country doesn't want to accept Bitcoin as a currency, if they accept it, you can use Bitcoin to pay everything.

Bitcoin can be a bank with the idea where you're given a full control over your money as long as you're holding the key e.g. non custodial wallet, if you use exchange as the media where you hold your money, it kill the idea of be your own bank.

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March 14, 2023, 02:33:26 PM
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem.

There it is, that's the problem here, to be honest. Why would anyone compare bitcoin to a bank? Does anyone tell us or wrote any guidelines that bitcoin is made so that we can compete with real-world banks? Satoshi's simply stated that you can be your own bank / or chose to have the freedom of transacting anonymously and without any limits. Those were the premium features that he offered through bitcoin. He never claimed that bitcoin should be used against the banks and compared the benefits. THe vision was simple, have your own bank!

We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

What's the point here? No one would use bitcoin for those purposes considering the current drive of holding and earning profits with it! In the future we may start having those offerings through stable pricing or a system that will correct the bitcoin deduction as the prices change and have the  stability issues resolved.

But seriously we don't have to pay all those with bitcoins.
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem. We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

Deceiving newbies with such a statement won't get Bitcoin the required recognition. It would only lead to more confusion and uncertainty as Banks have done for so long. Such a statement from a Bitcoin influencer would only tarnish the image of Bitcoin. Mcafee was known for such statements.



Yes, in my opinion, all of the above current payments can be made if you convert bitcoin to fiat currency on a monthly basis. 

Bitcoin can be compared to a bank in that it is a store of value.  Previously, bankers kept gold bars in their cellars, which were tightly locked with a key.  This gold allowed bankers to carry out monetary transactions - for example, to issue letters of exchange to clients. 

Bitcoin is our personal bank.  Its value is analogous to gold, and the private key is analogous to a large metal key from a secure basement - vault. 

Whoever owns bitcoin owns wealth and can periodically sell some of their digital gold to cover running costs.
It's safe to say bitcoin is already on par with the existing traditional asset like gold since it could be stored with value. As what the OP says promoting it in a wrong way won't give bitcoin the exact recognition it deserves and will only lead to bitcoin being misunderstood. This is one of the reasons why on the past years there're so many newbies are attracted to crypto for a while and then disheartened after knowing that they could lose anytime.

Promoting it in a way that it looks like a scheme only leads bitcoin further away from its original purpose and goals. It is also not called promotion, rather it will be called plain old hyping. This is commonly used by those influencers to attract their target market but, is this really the best method to introduce crypto? Coz as what can I see these kind of method will only be effective temporarily.

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March 14, 2023, 04:21:51 PM
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I read this tweet by Michael Saylor and I think it is not practical. I believe this guy was pretty high when he started comparing Bitcoin with Bank. Let's compare most of what he tweeted and then let's discuss the real problem. We all know the positive aspect of Bitcoin and to an extent, I agree with what he tweeted. I still would like to ask in general:

  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

Deceiving newbies with such a statement won't get Bitcoin the required recognition. It would only lead to more confusion and uncertainty as Banks have done for so long. Such a statement from a Bitcoin influencer would only tarnish the image of Bitcoin. Mcafee was known for such statements.


Op, your topic need to be restructured, bitcoin is not building or a structure that can be bank where coins or currencies will be kept. Or Michael Saylor has a parochial view on bitcoin. Bitcoin is an online currency that can be used for exchange. In the nutshell, bitcoin is money for exchange. And for 4 questions, I capitalize on YES. But all depends on the country's adoption and the awareness of people on bitcoin. If the awareness is very high and the adoption is more then one can use bitcoin to do all the above mentioned, like my country we can't use bitcoin to do all that except bitcoin lovers, which is about 0.0001%. I am just estimating that percentage to let you Know that the adoption is very much few. Which is not even up to 1%. Therefore, if the country adoption is high then you can use bitcoin for all that.
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March 14, 2023, 07:31:39 PM
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I think you misunderstood a bit what he meant with that message he put out on Twitter.
Obviously, we can buy anything with Bitcoin as long as the other party is willing to accept satoshis in exchange for whatever he/she is selling.

It is not what you can buy or not. In my opinion, if we want to compare Bitcoin to banks the magic word is: credit.
For obvious reasons, Bitcoin is not a bank because the network cannot seize, invest, limit or move your assets. It is all about debit: money either you have or you don't.


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Developers are making a lot of development for bitcoin network. And I know that all these bills will be possible with bitcoin. El Salvador already made bitcoin legal tender. I don't know about another country. But I know some other countries are planning to do same. Have u heard about bitcoin lightning network? If you know about that, you will know that a lot is possible with bitcoin.
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March 14, 2023, 10:15:19 PM
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There is no deceiving in my opinion, Bitcoin was initially design as P2P and as a payment system. However, throughout the years, it become more of a investment, or commodities and even 'sound money' for some.

So to be able to used it as what OP has described, the only thing you can do is convert it to fiat.

But who knows,

- Maybe in the future you can pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin
- Maybe in the future you can pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
- Maybe in the future you can pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
- Maybe in the future you ca pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?

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I think you made a wrong interpretation of the tweet. Bitcoin can be some type of revolutionary bank that is unique these days. But do not get confused about the difference between a bank and a bitcoin. Bitcoin is a currency, it is not a corporation that is centralized. The best way to compare bitcoin is to fiat. Sooner or later if countries will allow bitcoin to become a legal tender then all the questions you raised OP are possible. Banks and businesses in the future will accept and use bitcoin for their mortgages, house rent, bills, medical bills, and many more.

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Treating BTC as a bank is incorrect. No one would compare a currency to a financial institution, would they? For example, GBP vs Barclays bank. They are incompatible things.
As a means of payment, BTC should be compared to fiat currencies. As a means of investment, it should be compared to gold and stocks.
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Ehh I mean it just depends on how you look at it.  Bitcoin technically would only be a "bank" if it was simply an asset, or means of currency that a bank used.  At that point, that means that a company of workers is behind the bank, and they will certainly charge fees, be able to freeze accounts etc. 

Now I know this is not what he means, but that's what banking is.  Banking is lending, accounts etc..and that's not what bitcoin is..it's simply a digital currency/asset.

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  • Can you pay your Mortgage with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your house rent with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay all your bills with Bitcoin?
  • Can you pay your medical bills with Bitcoin?
I guess as long as both parties will accept to use Bitcoin as their payment method then there's no problem to it, and you can buy literally anything. I mean it's the same a few thousand years ago where both parties agreed to a note that this note is worth something. It's the same with Bitcoin.

As for Bitcoin being a bank, I don't know if I'm dumb, but I can't think on how Bitcoin can be a bank. Yes it's considered as a store of value, but banks have a centralized authority that is operating the bank itself while Bitcoin doesn't have.

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