[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico

[yazher]

Doesn't need to be a KO, what John Ryder needs is to have most scores in his favor in almost every round where the judges might want to help Canelo but their hands are tied because people knows who's the winner, just like what Bivol did to Canelo as he didn't KOd Canelo but he proved that won most of those rounds. I think there's a chance, although, that's very likely because of the fact that this is just a tune-up fight.

It's logical to think that he can't really do that because Canelo is at another level compared to him and the only problem with Canelo is when he slacks and does not get serious just because his opponent seems a nobody compared to him and that will rise a problem against him because this guy is no doubt has been practicing a lot just to prove himself and take that chance to elevate his popularity overnight just like Bivol and Canelo should not underestimate him if he wants to keep his current glory active because John is also a power puncher and the chance to knock him out is still there.

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[lionheart78]

Doesn't need to be a KO, what John Ryder needs is to have most scores in his favor in almost every round where the judges might want to help Canelo but their hands are tied because people knows who's the winner, just like what Bivol did to Canelo as he didn't KOd Canelo but he proved that won most of those rounds. I think there's a chance, although, that's very likely because of the fact that this is just a tune-up fight.

It's logical to think that he can't really do that because Canelo is at another level compared to him and the only problem with Canelo is when he slacks and does not get serious just because his opponent seems a nobody compared to him and that will rise a problem against him because this guy is no doubt has been practicing a lot just to prove himself and take that chance to elevate his popularity overnight just like Bivol and Canelo should not underestimate him if he wants to keep his current glory active because John is also a power puncher and the chance to knock him out is still there.

It is early to say that John Ryder can't touch Canelo.  If John Ryder is able to resist the strong punches of Canelo, then what @Japinat stated is possible.  So if John Ryder wanted to win against Canelo, he should KO Canelo (this is the most convincing way) if not then he needs to be:

• tough to withstand strong punches from Canelo and box with him all throughout the rounds
• he should make clear that he throw and landed more punches than Canelo
• if he can't knock out Canelo, he should try to outsmart and outbox him.

If John Ryder failed to make a convincing performance and the fight is close, he might lose the match even if he is leading due to the "judge favorite" factor.

[Maslate]

Doesn't need to be a KO, what John Ryder needs is to have most scores in his favor in almost every round where the judges might want to help Canelo but their hands are tied because people knows who's the winner, just like what Bivol did to Canelo as he didn't KOd Canelo but he proved that won most of those rounds. I think there's a chance, although, that's very likely because of the fact that this is just a tune-up fight.

It's logical to think that he can't really do that because Canelo is at another level compared to him and the only problem with Canelo is when he slacks and does not get serious just because his opponent seems a nobody compared to him and that will rise a problem against him because this guy is no doubt has been practicing a lot just to prove himself and take that chance to elevate his popularity overnight just like Bivol and Canelo should not underestimate him if he wants to keep his current glory active because John is also a power puncher and the chance to knock him out is still there.

It is early to say that John Ryder can't touch Canelo.  If John Ryder is able to resist the strong punches of Canelo, then what @Japinat stated is possible.  So if John Ryder wanted to win against Canelo, he should KO Canelo (this is the most convincing way) if not then he needs to be:

• tough to withstand strong punches from Canelo and box with him all throughout the rounds
• he should make clear that he throw and landed more punches than Canelo
• if he can't knock out Canelo, he should try to outsmart and outbox him.

If John Ryder failed to make a convincing performance and the fight is close, he might lose the match even if he is leading due to the "judge favorite" factor.

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

[Jawhead999]

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

Canelo's height is 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 5 ft 9 in, Canelo reach is 70+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 72 in, that's not a big difference. It's really depends on Ryder's strategy in the ring, he need to able to receive all damage using his shoulder and being aggressive. That's what most boxers can't do it because Canelo's punch is strong and hurt too, but Bivol physical appearance and body are more stronger.

Ryder were struggling when he fought a boxer which previously has been defeated by Canelo, so that's not make me convinced to see Ryder pull an upset.

[Kasabus]

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

Canelo's height is 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 5 ft 9 in, Canelo reach is 70+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 72 in, that's not a big difference. It's really depends on Ryder's strategy in the ring, he need to able to receive all damage using his shoulder and being aggressive. That's what most boxers can't do it because Canelo's punch is strong and hurt too, but Bivol physical appearance and body are more stronger.

Ryder were struggling when he fought a boxer which previously has been defeated by Canelo, so that's not make me convinced to see Ryder pull an upset.

Either way, that is still an advantage and I do agree that John Ryder should make use of what he got because even the slightest difference can still be a big help for someone like Ryder who is named as a heavy underdog in this fight. If he wanted to win this fight to give himself a good opportunity in the future, he should be smart enough to use whatever he got.

Anyway, that shoulder roll will not help Ryder in his case because Canelo already figured out a way how to counter it as he learned that lesson expensively as that specific style gave him his first defeat from the famous boxer who mastered the shoulder roll or known as the Philly Shell, Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[roslinpl]

With my concern John Ryder had the huge opportunity to win the game, but if they play without seriousness. We can’t assure anything towards the game of win. To make some good results, Ryder should consider the weak opponent as the strong opponent. It’s essential one to consider the opponent as stronger one to us. Because by the move our brain will work faster and Ryder may win the Match with K.O in a short period of time. When you think about the Canelo,his game was good for now. But his game was not that much good like Ryder. If the Canelo had planned the new strategy against the Ryder may be the match may change to other form. We can expect the new result that favour Canelo. Some people have their prayers for the Canelo as compared to the John Ryder.

[jakelyson]

No Surprise here this is another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez for sure, but even though this is a cherry-picked fight for Canelo Alvarez this is a great opportunity for John Ryder to prove himself even further because even if he didn't win this fight but he has shown great performance and make this fight a gruesome one for Canelo Alvarez I really think that will favor many viewers for him and as we all know that Alvarez is near his hanging of the gloves but this is surely for Canelo Alvarez to tuned himself or this match will serve as another sparring partner for him,

But we can not say for sure as what we have seen in the recent fight for Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce it was a cherry-picked fight for Joyce and it really bite them back harder than Concreate, it was really an upset for Joyce and could be a potential downhill for his career, now underestimating an opponent is surely not a good move and for this Alvarez vs Ryder fight it could happen again but let's just way this will be fewer days for it to start so for me let's just enjoy it,

[Yaunfitda]

No Surprise here this is another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez for sure, but even though this is a cherry-picked fight for Canelo Alvarez this is a great opportunity for John Ryder to prove himself even further because even if he didn't win this fight but he has shown great performance and make this fight a gruesome one for Canelo Alvarez I really think that will favor many viewers for him and as we all know that Alvarez is near his hanging of the gloves but this is surely for Canelo Alvarez to tuned himself or this match will serve as another sparring partner for him,

But we can not say for sure as what we have seen in the recent fight for Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce it was a cherry-picked fight for Joyce and it really bite them back harder than Concreate, it was really an upset for Joyce and could be a potential downhill for his career, now underestimating an opponent is surely not a good move and for this Alvarez vs Ryder fight it could happen again but let's just way this will be fewer days for it to start so for me let's just enjoy it,

Ryder is full of confidence going into this fight, and he said that Canelo and his camp shouldn't sleep on him. As we or maybe him included has been hearing about Canelo rematching Bivol or even inserting David Benadivez name in the mix.

As if they are overlooking him in this fight and that he will just be another name in Canelo's resume.

So we shall see how tough Ryder is. Because amongst the British fighter that Canelo fought, no one last the full distance.

[Japinat]

No Surprise here this is another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez for sure, but even though this is a cherry-picked fight for Canelo Alvarez this is a great opportunity for John Ryder to prove himself even further because even if he didn't win this fight but he has shown great performance and make this fight a gruesome one for Canelo Alvarez I really think that will favor many viewers for him and as we all know that Alvarez is near his hanging of the gloves but this is surely for Canelo Alvarez to tuned himself or this match will serve as another sparring partner for him, 

Not sure if Canelo Alvarez's retirement is already that near not unless he will finish all the fights queued for him especially his rematch against Bivol because he's still enjoying his career and he is still young enough to start considering when to hang up his gloves as he is still 32 years old. But for John Ryder, this is a good opportunity for him to showcase his skills and he should take advantage of this because not everyone has the chance to fight Canelo Alvarez. If it weren't because of his injury, Ryder will not have this chance, so at least he should make this fight interesting enough if he cannot really defeat the current undisputed champion.

[btc_angela]

No Surprise here this is another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez for sure, but even though this is a cherry-picked fight for Canelo Alvarez this is a great opportunity for John Ryder to prove himself even further because even if he didn't win this fight but he has shown great performance and make this fight a gruesome one for Canelo Alvarez I really think that will favor many viewers for him and as we all know that Alvarez is near his hanging of the gloves but this is surely for Canelo Alvarez to tuned himself or this match will serve as another sparring partner for him,

But we can not say for sure as what we have seen in the recent fight for Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce it was a cherry-picked fight for Joyce and it really bite them back harder than Concreate, it was really an upset for Joyce and could be a potential downhill for his career, now underestimating an opponent is surely not a good move and for this Alvarez vs Ryder fight it could happen again but let's just way this will be fewer days for it to start so for me let's just enjoy it,

Ryder is full of confidence going into this fight, and he said that Canelo and his camp shouldn't sleep on him. As we or maybe him included has been hearing about Canelo rematching Bivol or even inserting David Benadivez name in the mix.

As if they are overlooking him in this fight and that he will just be another name in Canelo's resume.

So we shall see how tough Ryder is. Because amongst the British fighter that Canelo fought, no one last the full distance.

He should be, this is going to be his biggest fight to date, no offense to him, but majority of us haven't heard of this name, until Eddie Hearn mentioned him that a possible fight between him and Canelo.

And it become true so he will have a tougher fight ahead of him, but if you look at the amount of money he will be getting here, I guess that's already a win win for him. Hopefully, he will show up in this fight and not just trying to go and not win. On the other hand, again, as what we have been saying, this might be a cherry pick for Canelo in preparation for a bigger fight in the future, a rematch with Bivol.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

No Surprise here this is another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez for sure, but even though this is a cherry-picked fight for Canelo Alvarez this is a great opportunity for John Ryder to prove himself even further because even if he didn't win this fight but he has shown great performance and make this fight a gruesome one for Canelo Alvarez I really think that will favor many viewers for him and as we all know that Alvarez is near his hanging of the gloves but this is surely for Canelo Alvarez to tuned himself or this match will serve as another sparring partner for him, 

Not sure if Canelo Alvarez's retirement is already that near not unless he will finish all the fights queued for him especially his rematch against Bivol because he's still enjoying his career and he is still young enough to start considering when to hang up his gloves as he is still 32 years old. But for John Ryder, this is a good opportunity for him to showcase his skills and he should take advantage of this because not everyone has the chance to fight Canelo Alvarez. If it weren't because of his injury, Ryder will not have this chance, so at least he should make this fight interesting enough if he cannot really defeat the current undisputed champion.

Not sure if he is hinting on retirement, but if that hand injury will bother him or if it is broken again, maybe he might slow down a bit in the next coming years. But he still has a unfinished business with Bivol, everyone wanted a rematch whether 168 lbs or 175 lbs.

Or even fight younger fighters like David Benavidez and not hide on the reason that he doesn't want to face another Mexican.

So we might not see him retiring very soon, maybe a lot of fight still in Canelo and still looking to accomplished more.

[robelneo]

It is early to say that John Ryder can't touch Canelo.  If John Ryder is able to resist the strong punches of Canelo, then what @Japinat stated is possible.  So if John Ryder wanted to win against Canelo, he should KO Canelo (this is the most convincing way) if not then he needs to be:

• tough to withstand strong punches from Canelo and box with him all throughout the rounds
• he should make clear that he throw and landed more punches than Canelo
• if he can't knock out Canelo, he should try to outsmart and outbox him.

If John Ryder failed to make a convincing performance and the fight is close, he might lose the match even if he is leading due to the "judge favorite" factor.

As is all the case in championship bouts, the challenger should take away the crown from the champion, and the challenger should be the aggressor and should be aggressive if Ryder cannot put out an outstanding performance and the fight becomes close the champion keeps the crown through a split decision or draw, I agree that he needs a knock out to win the crown, it's hard to beat Canelo in a very close fight because he is a very good finisher, he is a slow starter but always manage to take over the late rounds.

[freedomgo]

It is early to say that John Ryder can't touch Canelo.  If John Ryder is able to resist the strong punches of Canelo, then what @Japinat stated is possible.  So if John Ryder wanted to win against Canelo, he should KO Canelo (this is the most convincing way) if not then he needs to be:

• tough to withstand strong punches from Canelo and box with him all throughout the rounds
• he should make clear that he throw and landed more punches than Canelo
• if he can't knock out Canelo, he should try to outsmart and outbox him.

If John Ryder failed to make a convincing performance and the fight is close, he might lose the match even if he is leading due to the "judge favorite" factor.

As is all the case in championship bouts, the challenger should take away the crown from the champion, and the challenger should be the aggressor and should be aggressive if Ryder cannot put out an outstanding performance and the fight becomes close the champion keeps the crown through a split decision or draw, I agree that he needs a knock out to win the crown, it's hard to beat Canelo in a very close fight because he is a very good finisher, he is a slow starter but always manage to take over the late rounds.

Apart from that, if the fight is very close, it's clear enough just like what happened in the past that Canelo will get some help from the judges so that he can keep his title and belts. So Ryder should be wise enough and careful on this fight because Canelo can still throw a deadly punch that will send him directly to retirement as Ryder is already hinting that this will be his last fight if he can't have any positive outcome. Being the aggressor will help but he should be careful as he's the one who might catch a surprise.

[Kemarit]

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

Canelo's height is 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 5 ft 9 in, Canelo reach is 70+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 72 in, that's not a big difference. It's really depends on Ryder's strategy in the ring, he need to able to receive all damage using his shoulder and being aggressive. That's what most boxers can't do it because Canelo's punch is strong and hurt too, but Bivol physical appearance and body are more stronger.

Ryder were struggling when he fought a boxer which previously has been defeated by Canelo, so that's not make me convinced to see Ryder pull an upset.

Not that much difference are far as their physical comparison is, on the other hand we might see the Canelo might still be the stronger puncher between the two despite his hand injuries, I think Canelo still possesses those dangerous body punch that bring his opponent down.

Although triangle theory doesn't work on boxing, but we can see the Ryder's previous opponents wherein he had a hard time, Canelo just bust them up easily. That is a strong indication that Canelo and Ryder are not on the same level, IMHO. And it's hard to see what tools Ryder has to upset Canelo in this fight at his own home soil.

[stadus]

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

Canelo's height is 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 5 ft 9 in, Canelo reach is 70+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 72 in, that's not a big difference. It's really depends on Ryder's strategy in the ring, he need to able to receive all damage using his shoulder and being aggressive. That's what most boxers can't do it because Canelo's punch is strong and hurt too, but Bivol physical appearance and body are more stronger.

Ryder were struggling when he fought a boxer which previously has been defeated by Canelo, so that's not make me convinced to see Ryder pull an upset.

Not that much difference are far as their physical comparison is, on the other hand we might see the Canelo might still be the stronger puncher between the two despite his hand injuries, I think Canelo still possesses those dangerous body punch that bring his opponent down.

Although triangle theory doesn't work on boxing, but we can see the Ryder's previous opponents wherein he had a hard time, Canelo just bust them up easily. That is a strong indication that Canelo and Ryder are not on the same level, IMHO. And it's hard to see what tools Ryder has to upset Canelo in this fight at his own home soil.

Well, yes, that's without a doubt true because the difference of their power is really huge and no matter how we groom John Ryder in this fight, Canelo is really in a different league/level. Ryder just got this chance for a sole reason and that is to test Canelo's wrist while also minimizing the risk of a defeat because Canelo is still risking all four belts in this fight. In other words, Ryder is just a mere boxer in near retirement phase picked to tune-up Canelo.

[Japinat]

I almost forgot about Canelo Alvarez's tune-up fight versus John Ryder, and to think, this bout already around the corner.
1 week to go folks and we can witness Canelo fighting again, and probably we will have some answers afterwards whether if he will fight Bivol first or Benavidez.


CANELO VS. RYDER: FULL FIGHT CARD

Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. John Ryder
Julio Cesar Martinez vs. Ronal Batista
Gabriel Gollaz Valenzuela vs. Steve Spark
Nathan Devon Rodriguez vs. Alexander Mejia
Oleksandr Gvozdyk vs. Ricards Bolotniks
Bek Nurmaganbet vs. Argenis Espana;
Lawrence King vs. Elio German Rafael
Johansen Alvarez Suarez vs. Johan Rodriguez Arreguin
Abilkhan Amankul vs. Jesus Moroyoqui Palomares
Carlos Emiliano Rojo vs. Fabian Trejo Rivera
Jesus Larios vs. Alejandro Curiel

Date: Saturday, May 6
Time: 7:00 p.m. EDT / 12:00 a.m. BST (Sunday)
Main event ringwalks (approx): 11:00 p.m. EDT / 4:00 a.m. BST (Sunday)

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[coin-investor]

I almost forgot about Canelo Alvarez's tune-up fight versus John Ryder, and to think, this bout already around the corner.
1 week to go folks and we can witness Canelo fighting again, and probably we will have some answers afterwards whether if he will fight Bivol first or Benavidez.

Is it worth it, are we expecting something unexpected to happen, if I have the time I will watch it to see if Canelo is still good because if he wants to further move forward he should face Benavidez or do a rematch against Bivol now both fights are tougher so I'd like to see if Canelo still has it or become better after his last fight against Golovkin.
For a fighter like Canelo who has a good status in the boxing world, he should stop cherry-picking fights and always go for the challenging fights, if he still wants to be on top of the Ring Magazine.

[serjent05]

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

Since John Ryder has the physical advantage then he should also learn from Ryan Garcia and Davis fight.  He should learn from the error of Garcia of not utilizing his job and the reach advantage that can create a distance between him and his opponent.  John Ryder should also avoid unnecessary brawls and always check the distance so that he can always take advantage of his reach.

I almost forgot about Canelo Alvarez's tune-up fight versus John Ryder, and to think, this bout already around the corner.
1 week to go folks and we can witness Canelo fighting again, and probably we will have some answers afterwards whether if he will fight Bivol first or Benavidez.

Is it worth it, are we expecting something unexpected to happen, if I have the time I will watch it to see if Canelo is still good because if he wants to further move forward he should face Benavidez or do a rematch against Bivol now both fights are tougher so I'd like to see if Canelo still has it or become better after his last fight against Golovkin.
For a fighter like Canelo who has a good status in the boxing world, he should stop cherry-picking fights and always go for the challenging fights, if he still wants to be on top of the Ring Magazine.

Well, if John Ryder does not impress the judges even though he is leading may lose the fight.  So we might see Canelo getting an easy victory here due to the skill of Canelo and the judges' favoritism.

[Dave1]

I almost forgot about Canelo Alvarez's tune-up fight versus John Ryder, and to think, this bout already around the corner.
1 week to go folks and we can witness Canelo fighting again, and probably we will have some answers afterwards whether if he will fight Bivol first or Benavidez.

Is it worth it, are we expecting something unexpected to happen, if I have the time I will watch it to see if Canelo is still good because if he wants to further move forward he should face Benavidez or do a rematch against Bivol now both fights are tougher so I'd like to see if Canelo still has it or become better after his last fight against Golovkin.
For a fighter like Canelo who has a good status in the boxing world, he should stop cherry-picking fights and always go for the challenging fights, if he still wants to be on top of the Ring Magazine.

I think it's because we are still in the Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia euphoria, I mean we are all hype about that fight and up to this day, there are a lot of discussions on that, like PPV buys and if Garcia take a dive and just give up.

Anyway, it's time for Canelo to take that away, this is his comeback fight and going to be in his backyard. No doubt that as what others think, cherry pick, tune up fight for Canelo. And they are looking for a Bivol match up and Canelo said it will be at 175 lbs and not his usual super middleweight comfort zone. The reasoning is that he fought and lost to Bivol at light heayweight and so that is the weight that they will rematch.

[Japinat]

I almost forgot about Canelo Alvarez's tune-up fight versus John Ryder, and to think, this bout already around the corner.
1 week to go folks and we can witness Canelo fighting again, and probably we will have some answers afterwards whether if he will fight Bivol first or Benavidez.

Is it worth it, are we expecting something unexpected to happen, if I have the time I will watch it to see if Canelo is still good because if he wants to further move forward he should face Benavidez or do a rematch against Bivol now both fights are tougher so I'd like to see if Canelo still has it or become better after his last fight against Golovkin.
For a fighter like Canelo who has a good status in the boxing world, he should stop cherry-picking fights and always go for the challenging fights, if he still wants to be on top of the Ring Magazine.

Again, those questions will likely be answered after the fight. It's still a mystery for us now how will Canelo perform in this bout because he just got out from the surgery where he repaired his wrist that he has been carrying for two fights, hence why he did a cherry picked fight in-order to tune him up before he fights Dmitry Bivol or David Benavidez next.

But if in-case Canelo and his camp will not achieve their expectations or will not be satisfied in Canelo's performance. I wont' be surprised if they will make another tune-up fight and probably that will be the start of Canelo's career to end because people will start saying that there's no future for him anymore in the industry and might be better if he will just retire rather than embarrass himself to another loss.