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March 15, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
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This is historic news, it is not surprising though. In this day and age, it is surprising to learn that Chipmixer was even online for more than a few years. It is intriguing to learn that all of the user data was stored the whole time and more intriguing to think about how all of this data will be handled. That is also quite a tidy sum of bitcoin collected and I feel sorry for those that are now caught up in the mess. It will be a tough journey getting those back.
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March 15, 2023, 08:06:05 PM
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Well look at it this way. They shut down Chipmixer, right? (And I'm still wearing this stupid signature until next week probably)

get the hint chip mixer is dead....
.. your not going to get paid next week. the funds are gone

no reason to promote them for another week
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March 15, 2023, 08:22:54 PM
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Well look at it this way. They shut down Chipmixer, right? (And I'm still wearing this stupid signature until next week probably)

get the hint chip mixer is dead....
.. your not going to get paid next week. the funds are gone

no reason to promote them for another week
feel free to change your signature any time you want

Read the campaign thread. DarkStar is holding the week's campaign payments in escrow (and I mean *this* week's).

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March 15, 2023, 08:34:56 PM
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Read the campaign thread. DarkStar is holding the week's campaign payments in escrow (and I mean *this* week's).

In fact, the address contains 1.30807482BTC, which is sufficient for at least 3 weeks. If this week is paid, what will happen to the rest of coins for the coming weeks? It is approximately 1 bitcoin.

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March 15, 2023, 08:43:28 PM
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That's really sad! But such risk was always there when Bestmixer was shut down by the same enforcement authority. It's quite unfortunate that a huge amount of fund was seized and apparantly there's no way to receive it back now if someone is not involved in criminal activities.

More and more mixing services are being targeted by the enforcement agencies since 2022 and multiple mixing services were shut down completely since then.

This is actually one of the sad stories I must have heard today and this was similar incidence that occured with Bestmixer and now it's chipmixer and I still wonder how government just comes from the blues and present some accusations without even giving a prior notice that's if they didn't give at all.
I also fear what the fate of other mixers would be because it now seems the government has placed mixers as targets and they're the very industry that is prone since tye source of their customers funds isn't mixers concern, and they also make it very difficult for government to track or monitor the financial activities of it's citizens and hence they're trying to bring down those mixing firms.

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March 15, 2023, 08:55:42 PM
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Read the campaign thread. DarkStar is holding the week's campaign payments in escrow (and I mean *this* week's).

The address contains 1.30807482BTC, which is sufficient for at least 3 weeks. If this week is paid, what will happen to the rest of the coins for the coming weeks? It is approximately 1 bitcoin.

It's most likely going to be sent back to the chipmixer,  I don't see any reason why it should be promoted for now since the site is not working.

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March 15, 2023, 09:03:19 PM
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Surprised after seeing some of the news here, I continued to read several articles to find out more and indeed now the site has been confiscated by the authorities and whether this will be sorrow for those who have been using ChipMixer/.

If Chipmixers were used for Money laundering then they should be shut down. I agreed with this. WHY? because if Crypto and blockchain technology are used for bad purposes then how can we expect governments to legalize it

Pretty sure those same authorities would describe all mixers as money launderers, including the one you're advertising in your sig.  Governments perceive privacy as immoral because they want to know everything about you.  Mixers make that difficult for them.

Well it's true because the mixer is about their privacy to mix coins but the government clearly considers it as money laundering in their mind, this is excessive for me and indeed the government just wants to get involved with all the big money from all transactions in the mixer, really the government continues scraping bitcoin in any way so the government always legalizes what is not in line with it.

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March 15, 2023, 09:18:24 PM
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Seems to target Mixers again. Occasionally we have seen crypto mixers have been Seized. This isn't a good sign for crypto users or those who care about privacy. Allegations of money Laundering are just a reason to shut down such a big Bitcoin mixer. But they don't like Bitcoin actually and just trying to create FUD. The bad news is they Seized the funds as well. I am not sure if still, Tor link works for mixing Bitcoin. Hope users won't be affected anyway since data hasn't been stored.

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March 15, 2023, 09:23:06 PM
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Do you guys remember a few years ago there was a very popular mixer out there? I forgot the name, but it was huge.

One day they just close up shop. They didn't get seized but they figured its better to close down instead of being arrested by authorities. Anyone remember the name? its killing me.


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March 15, 2023, 09:37:39 PM
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If Chipmixers were used for Money laundering then they should be shut down. I agreed with this. WHY? because if Crypto and blockchain technology are used for bad purposes then how can we expect governments to legalize it
Pretty sure those same authorities would describe all mixers as money launderers, including the one you're advertising in your sig.  Governments perceive privacy as immoral because they want to know everything about you.  Mixers make that difficult for them.

disagree with both of you


Europol or whoever else could target:

  • city of london
  • malta
  • paris
  • zurich
  • frankfurt
  • talinn
  • copenhagen
  • luxembourg
  • amsterdam

...and probably several other money laundering centers if they really wanted to (maybe city of london and zurich might be technically less feasible, but w.e.)

the only difference is that money laundering taking place through banks in those financial districts will always be conducted by the politically well-connected, and organizations such as europol only exist to pretend to target high-level sophisticated criminals, not to actually do it.

All the charities, military/intelligence agencies, churches/mosques, NGOs, think-tanks and big corporates wash their dirty money through mainstream banks, the city of london and the various offshore tax havens across the world exist exactly to facilitate high level financial criminals


think about it. what industries, providing what goods or services, does the British pound actually even represent? there's been virtually nothing to speak of being exported from the UK for decades and decades now, the British government themselves would be the first to concede that "financial services" is all they really do (weapons are the only vaguely unique thing the Brits do, and it's inherently a very limited endeavor)

and so as an organization with alot of money, what possible reason would you ever have to do any business through London (or Luxembourg, lol), a financial services center that's sole business is it's own casino complex? crime is the only conceivable answer


This is also a good wakeup call for all the other centralized services and altcoins (eg. Tether, Ethereum, Ripple, BCash, ...). The governments could shut them down all the same and make the same exact claims they made here (used for illegal activities) and arrest the centralized authority of them (like arresting Butterin and seizing his tens of millions of premined ether).

maybe

it'd be interesting to see exactly who would get shut down from that bunch, supposedly Tether has some quite well connected (i.e. politically) people from the US involved

with Chipmixer, it seems quite likely to me that they've been doing increasingly less volume over the years, as Bitcoin adopters are likely to be getting gradually more risk-averse, are technically adept and fast learning. You'd be nuts to use mixer web sites at almost any time, the best you could hope for was to get scammed, because the other most likely outcome was that the websites were sucking as much information out of your mixing transactions as possible (and selling the data to whoever)

chipmixer getting busted this week is possibly even a case of "good day to bury bad news", what with all the bank busts (none other than Credit Suisse is apparently teetering on the precipice as we speak...). why that timing? if you want to get everyone to pay attention to bad bad crypto, you can pick a better week for it. they've had over 5 years to bust mixing websites, and they choose this specific week? Roll Eyes

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March 15, 2023, 09:39:36 PM
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If Chipmixers were used for Money laundering then they should be shut down. I agreed with this. WHY? because if Crypto and blockchain technology are used for bad purposes then how can we expect governments to legalize it

Pretty sure those same authorities would describe all mixers as money launderers, including the one you're advertising in your sig.  Governments perceive privacy as immoral because they want to know everything about you.  Mixers make that difficult for them.
Everything related to privacy is criminal to the government and this has been the major challenge in the decentralized asset market, what the government want, is control over the privacy-oriented developments and they're perceived as illegal.

The fun part is, whatever the government ban always thrives and let's hope Chipmixer will be back stronger.

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March 15, 2023, 09:43:06 PM
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That's really sad! But such risk was always there when Bestmixer was shut down by the same enforcement authority. It's quite unfortunate that a huge amount of fund was seized and apparantly there's no way to receive it back now if someone is not involved in criminal activities.

More and more mixing services are being targeted by the enforcement agencies since 2022 and multiple mixing services were shut down completely since then.

This is actually one of the sad stories I must have heard today and this was similar incidence that occured with Bestmixer and now it's chipmixer and I still wonder how government just comes from the blues and present some accusations without even giving a prior notice that's if they didn't give at all.
I also fear what the fate of other mixers would be because it now seems the government has placed mixers as targets and they're the very industry that is prone since tye source of their customers funds isn't mixers concern, and they also make it very difficult for government to track or monitor the financial activities of it's citizens and hence they're trying to bring down those mixing firms.

Before they came up with this move, I am pretty sure that the authorities already have done their homework.
I don't think they will be enforcing such seizure without basis because the company like Chipmixer can easily appeal with the verdict.
But right now, this is indeed a sad news for all of us. Chipmixer campaign is one of the long running campaign in this forum.
And certainly, this site has helped a lot of crypto users in preserving their privacy. However, the government is seeing this on the negative side which is laundering at one aspect.
Mixers should now be on the look out as they can possibly be the next target of their government.
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Well look at it this way. They shut down Chipmixer, right? (And I'm still wearing this stupid signature until next week probably)

get the hint chip mixer is dead....
.. your not going to get paid next week. the funds are gone

no reason to promote them for another week
feel free to change your signature any time you want

Read the campaign thread. DarkStar is holding the week's campaign payments in escrow (and I mean *this* week's).

point is if its a stupid signature(your words)
of a shut down service (your words)
which this topic is showing is involved in illicit activity..

would you want to continue advertising it... well i guess money speaks louder then personal opinions

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i do hope though that you are "stacking sats" (saving) so that one day those sats add up to a point where you can be self sustainable to not need to rely on those sig campaign/ other campaigns that promote things. and instead live freely thus not needing to put your personal opinions to the side for a income

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March 15, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
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Sad News especially for bitcointalk community.
I have been following the news in various articles, and I have noticed conflicting reports regarding the fact that the authorities were able to identify those in charge of the project.  This prompted me to think about the possibility of using forum data to verify identities. Or maybe identify the advertising campaigns that chipmixer launched since 2017.

They apparently got that information from his devices. Theymos wasn't bungled for IP address data (I hope).


If my memory does not deceive me, the admins received a request to view user data related to the Silk of Road case or the mtgox case. I don't remember exactly.
Overall, I think that the site team is smart enough to hide its IP addresses, and therefore it is never easy to track them, and it can also be imagined that they are able to relaunch the service again using other servers.
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March 15, 2023, 10:03:44 PM
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Warrantless search and seizures of internet domains and assets, outside of a legal court process have questionable legality They don't need to prove money laundering occurred, or even that a crime was committed. They can simply shut down whoever they want on a whim. Which could be considered a breach of due process and basic rights. Innocent until proven guilty, implies neither the media nor law enforcement should have the power to serve as judge, jury and executioner.

I have toned down the content of my posts. So as to not reflect negatively on chipmixer. Maybe I can be a little more honest about things now?

I noticed a few posters on this forum with chipmixer signatures writing many single line posts this week. As if they had been warned and knew this was coming in advance. If law enforcement is around, they have probably monitored this place for a long time.

If I lose sig campaigns as a source of income, I have to try to find a way to make a million dollars, instead. With whatever time I devoted towards posting here. There isn't a whole lot else to do atm.
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March 15, 2023, 10:22:07 PM
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Do you guys remember a few years ago there was a very popular mixer out there? I forgot the name, but it was huge.

One day they just close up shop. They didn't get seized but they figured its better to close down instead of being arrested by authorities. Anyone remember the name? its killing me.


Its Bitmixer

One of the Largest Bitcoin Mixing Services Closes its Doors

https://news.bitcoin.com/one-of-the-largest-bitcoin-mixing-services-closes-its-doors/

Yeah, i do remember that they had closed up their doors and didnt wait for such thing to happen.
I was expecting for mixers to be ended up on the same path but for Chipmixer it did last for a while
but not really still ending up on the good side.

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