Plagiarism vs AI Posting

[KingsDen]

Plagiarism:
Everyone knows that Plagiarism is a crime even outside this forum. Plagiarism is frowned at in higher institutions and its consequences could be imprisonment or paying huge fine unlike the forum where the ultimate punishment for plagiarism is permanent ban.

AI posting
With the increased adoption of chatGPT, which I am personally seeing to outsmart google in just a few years, I cannot say that the use of AI is a crime.

But in the jurisdiction of Bitcointalk, do you think using bots to make or generate posts is ethical or should be acceptable?

Well, I think my answer is NO.

The essence of banning plagerists should be because of cheating, users copying others work to appear more intelligent than they are.
And the severity of the punishment is heavy when the plagiarist wear paid signatures.

If plagiarism (using others work without referencing) is a crime in this forum. It therefore means that AI posting (deceiving people to reply to automated codes thinking it's their fellow human) should also be a crime.

I can say that some campaign managers agree that it is cheating and that is why Royse777 introduced this rule

To prevent AI domination effective from today we are introducing an incentive for forum users. Find AI written posts on this campaign
and report to me either in public or in forum PM, please be sure you have enough reference to support the claim. For successful report
the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner. The campaigner will be removed immediately.

Also stake.com manager Carollzinha updated similar rule in her rules

 Posts being generated by AI will not count for your current payment & may cause you to be removed from the campaign with no pay

In both cases, the punishment of the managers is to kick the defaulting participants out of the campaign.

Does it therefore lie in the hands of campaign managers to curtail the usage of AI in making posts in the forum?

If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

Else a board should be created for AI posting where signature does not display, incase we don't want to fight a fast evolving technology.

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[BitMaxz]

chatGPT is very popular for creating content for youtube and article blogs because it generates free not plagiarized articles and the thing is Google loves AI-generated articles it is based on their algo on how they check unique articles and I heard once Google develop software that can detect AI generated articles I'm sure they will outrank YouTube contents and blogs that mostly use generated articles.

It's not a crime but a fraud so I think AI generated shouldn't be counted on the campaign and the forum should have a strict rule about using AI because it can affect the forum in the future once they develop software to outrank who use AI generated text.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Well, responding to a thread should be based on an individual's own opinion (what they know and what they think) and not just what an AI bot generates; it may be partially authentic or unplagiarized, but the fact is that it's not original. Plegarisim is high-offense both in the forum and outside. I remember when I did my project work in school, in my theory writings, my supervisor had to do a plagiarism check, which I successfully passed. My opinion is that those members that use AI to post should not be banned; instead, let all campaign managers introduce the law that Royse initiated so that every forum member that is wearing a signature and using AI to make their posts be disqualified and restricted from joining signature for some weeks. Also, members posting with AI tools should not be allowed to join signature campaigns. Campaign managers should make it a practice to check users posts for AI content before accepting them into their campaigns; at least that will encourage more self-expression and original content. This is just my opinion, though.

[noorman0]

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Does it therefore lie in the hands of campaign managers to curtail the usage of AI in making posts in the forum?

If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?

Since catching this kind of behavior is difficult, it frankly requires awareness of the campaign participants even if there are no implicit rules. After all, the consequences of AI misuse will not only affect reputation, but account ban. So it should be avoided as much as possible regardless of being a campaign participant or not.

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Else a board should be created for AI posting where signature does not display, incase we don't want to fight a fast evolving technology.

I doubt it's needed. To get AI answers like Chat GPT doesn't really need special access for now, so users can actually do it themselves if they want to know something.

[coinerer]

chatGPT is very popular for creating content for youtube and article blogs because it generates free not plagiarized articles and the thing is Google loves AI-generated articles it is based on their algo on how they check unique articles and I heard once Google develop software that can detect AI generated articles I'm sure they will outrank YouTube contents and blogs that mostly use generated articles.

AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing.  But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way.  But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy  and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign  manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign.  But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism.  So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum

[mindrust]

Most topics in the forum are pretty lame anyway. You don't need the AI's opinion on those. When you are about to make a post on a serious matter, you can ask chatGPT's opinion, understand it and then repost it with your own sentences. Nobody will really notice that they are talking to an AI bot. But I think you don't need to take this forum that seriously. There isn't anything to gain. Even if you come up with the most sensible answers to the most serious questions, nobody will care.

Right now people are using chatgpt to make posts without being smart. They ask a question and copy/paste the answer without making any modifications to it. That's because people who use chatGPT to make posts don't know much of a Engrish in the first place.

It is like giving a monkey a machine gun. A soldier can use a machine gun effectively and kill lots of enemies but in the hands of a monkey you don't know who is going to be the next target because the monkey has no brains to use the gun effectively. He will just randomly press any buttons he can, shoot anything he can, sometimes himself too  ... No aim needed.

[Fiatless]

I am aware that many schools in the US and other European countries have banned the use of chatGPT to carryout assignment or projects. Infact using them can lead to expulsion in some institutions. And they are considering increasing the use of oral and written assignment and reducing take home tests. Using AI is not plagiarism because the these machines ensure they don't copy the exact words of the owner of the work but  it is cheating. I know the forum have a rule on plagiarism that is well spelt out, except the leaders of the forum includes laws on the use of chatGPT members will keep using them. I always respect members that spend their time to discover these bot post and report them.

[Jawhead999]

Does it therefore lie in the hands of campaign managers to curtail the usage of AI in making posts in the forum?

If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

Else a board should be created for AI posting where signature does not display, incase we don't want to fight a fast evolving technology.

It will depends on each campaign manager if they're want to accept AI generated post or not.

If the AI generated post is fall to off topic or spam, then the post should be deleted, most of the time moderators will not ban a user who's creating off topic or spam post. Since AI generated post is come from multiple sources, there's should be a chance the post has some similarity with the other post and it will cause him to get banned if someone discover it, just like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg61761161#msg61761161

Do you think user who use AI will post in AI board where signature isn't visible? nope, because the reason why they're using AI is to make quick post to earn money where it's need signature is visible.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Well it depends on the topic. Im sure this will be hard for project managers on campaign to ruled out yhose who yaking advantage of chatgpt since then can gemerate potential content for such topic right? But it can be noticed they way someone will use the content if he can able to tweak it to avoid such plagiarism then its much better.

For me using chatgpt isnt a crime, but they make some posters to be lazy and not to do thinking on their posting but relying already on such given information.

[Findingnemo]

Theymos is yet to implement any rules about AI posts so as of now those are considered as spam and constantly removed when mods find it and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

I hope there will be an update in the forum rules regarding this, atleast it should be have some warning sign like this post is created by AI so it won't be used for abusing the campaigns.

Do you guys this there will be any changes in the rules of bitcointalk after the evolution of AI?

[Xal0lex]

...and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.

[Maslate]

It should not be allowed; we have to prevent the domination of AI. Otherwise, there will be no real accounts here in the forum. If we fully rely on AI, it is like allowing robots to do the job for us, so I believe it should not be tolerated. I am not an expert in spotting AI-generated posts, so I guess every campaign manager is fully aware of this, and they are doing their best to prevent that from happening.

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.

[Findingnemo]

...and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.

Myself don't know exactly they were banned for using AI but it looks like the user https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21 banned for spamming using AI tools with the reference of this thread : Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?

Because generally for spam the user will get temp ban unless they committed the mistake multiple times in the past and didn't change their posting behaviour even after temp ban but this user got permanent ban straight away correct me if I am wrong.

[Lucius]

For me, the only difference between plagiarized content and content created by AI is that the latter is harder to detect and prove without a doubt. Both should without a doubt be in the same category when it comes to punishment, because there is no justification for someone wanting to present something that he did not create as his own.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.

Look here and further posts, and this shows that at least one of the forum staff takes this problem seriously and that such users will be nuked/permabanned.

[Xal0lex]

...and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.

Myself don't know exactly they were banned for using AI but it looks like the user https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21 banned for spamming using AI tools with the reference of this thread : Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?

Because generally for spam the user will get temp ban unless they committed the mistake multiple times in the past and didn't change their posting behaviour even after temp ban but this user got permanent ban straight away correct me if I am wrong.

Or maybe he got a permanent ban for plagiarism. There was a complaint about this user right here. Either way, we don't have a specific rule about using AI tools. In principle, we don't need such a rule. For such posts (topics) you can use existing rules ( p. 1, for example).

[lovesmayfamilis]

As far as I understood from the decisions of the moderators, some accounts that published posts from the chatbot were deleted, and users who were completely new had their accounts destroyed. Other accounts weren't banned; they just had their AI posts removed. I can assume that those accounts that were not banned still received a temporary ban. At least, I don't see them active yet.
I agree with hilariousandco recent post that it takes time to consider a decision on AI posts; however, such posts should be reported so as not to turn the forum into a society of robots.

Yes, please do, though obviously they will need a little more verification so might not get handled straight away. It's probably going to get out of hand fast with these issues now. Personally, I think it might be wise to look into disabling sigs on all new users/lower ranks until people have earned the right to have one through acquiring a large amount of merit.

[robelneo]

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.

Useful indeed but not to the point that it is the one giving you input if you're just using it to make your idea comprehensible then it's okay but if its the one providing the idea for you then you have become its tool for promotion and this is not good we stopped being human with intelligent and just become a puppet of AI's.

[acroman08]

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

I agree with this. if you ask me, using content generated by AI and using it as yours should be considered the same as plagiarism and should have the same consequence as plagiarism.

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.

if you are having trouble with your sentences, you are better off using Grammarly instead of AI like chatgpt. I've been using Grammarly for years now.

[dimonstration]

AI posting is not acceptable in the forum because this a place for a discussion and not a QA from a bot that getting answer on the internet without stating the source on the post.

You can’t see emotion on ChatGPT post that makes them too dull for a conversation. With that being said. ChatGPT is a lazy tool if it’s being for the forum that meant for sharing opinion rather than quoting someone article which the AI is doing.

[Yawa2020]

Albert Einstein said three things will destroy a man; technology, women and gambling. The advancement of technology has caused more harm than good already. We now live in a world where people don't like using natural gifted sense anymore but rely on technology to solve every of their problems. Plagiarism is stealing someone's work without Acknowledgement. AI can not receive same punishment as plagiarism in my own opinion thou.