How wide reaching can the consequences of Chipmixer money laundering be?

[airfinex]

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

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Hoće li DarStar podijeliti ostatak sredstava ChipMixera sudionicima kampanje? Menadžeru je ostalo 40 tisuća dolara i rekao je da nema veze s ChipMixerom. Zatvorio je Google tablicu i valjda će nakon što u nedjelju isplati sudionike kampanje zadržati sredstva. Možda kupiti motocikl ili nešto slično.

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[Bitcoin_Arena]

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

It's an English board, and you just replied in Croatian. Try to post in English or at least make a new topic about the subject you are trying to inquire about, just in case it was deleted for being off-topic.

[JollyGood]

What do you think could be the chances that the Chipmixer owner collected user data such as mixing chip information, date/time, IP addresses and URL referrals of all or many transactions that took place on his website regardless of what he might have claimed he was or was not doing? After all, just because someone claims something does not mean they are true to their word.

Chipmixer allegedly laundered approximately $3 billion but if the owner of Chipmixer is privy to certain information that could get criminals arrested (or if he has a vast amount of crypto from those mixes that he is willing to hand over) then it makes this case even more interesting.

They seized the site data, so they could find such info themselves. He himself probably doesn't have anything useful to offer because criminals would deal with the site, not him directly.

[Rikafip]

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

True, but its easy to say "just surrender and get good lawyers" when you are not the one that has possibility of going to prison for 40 years and since that guy who is allegedly behind CM 49 years old, that's bascially a life sentence.

[JollyGood]

If he gets caught and goes to prison, he will probably receive a sentence (if found guilty) long enough to see him die in prison.

He is on the run from the US law enforcement agencies and has an international arrest on his name, maybe his best chance in the long term is to hire the best lawyers to try to make a deal which could him travelling to the US voluntarily on the basis he remains out on bail until the until/unless convicted, he may have to surrender 'x' USD$ worth of BTC and if he receives guarantees the prosecution will not seek a sentence beyond 'x' years.

It is worth a try, he probably does have a lot of funds available therefore it would be a good time for him to spend them trying to find a way out of the mess he finds himself in.

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

True, but its easy to say "just surrender and get good lawyers" when you are not the one that has possibility of going to prison for 40 years and since that guy who is allegedly behind CM 49 years old, that's bascially a life sentence.

[Saisher]

This is true, but he's wanted by the FBI. His chances of never getting caught are slim.

True, but its easy to say "just surrender and get good lawyers" when you are not the one that has possibility of going to prison for 40 years and since that guy who is allegedly behind CM 49 years old, that's bascially a life sentence.

He can only get extradited from the country where he is currently located if the US government has an extradition treaty with that country, we cannot expect Russia to cooperate with the US government or even China or any country without an extradition treaty so his only way is to get on countries where he can get an asylum provided that country
will accept him and protect him.
With huge money that he can easily transfer from one country to another, and knowledgeable of computer programming some countries will accept him.

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Why is my ost removed?

probably because it's not written in english

He is worried about funds left on the campaign address controlled by DarkStar_ around 1.30BTC.

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

what do you think is appropriate to do with these funds?
they cannot be returned to the Chipmixer owner for obvious reasons, and he also cannot continue paying for the campaign, which is obviously over. so what do you propose DS do with those funds?


Will someone finally be encouraged and open a celebration thread dedicated to the closing of the campaign and the end of the lavish awarding of certain members of the CM gang?

[joker_josue]

He can only get extradited from the country where he is currently located if the US government has an extradition treaty with that country, we cannot expect Russia to cooperate with the US government or even China or any country without an extradition treaty so his only way is to get on countries where he can get an asylum provided that country
will accept him and protect him.
With huge money that he can easily transfer from one country to another, and knowledgeable of computer programming some countries will accept him.

The problem is that almost every country in the world has laws against corruption or money laundering. So he would have very few countries to flee to, without having the problem of justice in that country.

The country may not even have an extradition agreement, but an international arrest warrant allows the country to judge the person based on the crime they are accused of.

Russia could even be an escape option... but maybe he could also be committed to that country. Maybe it would be better to go to an island in the middle of the Pacific and hope that no one recognizes.

[NotATether]

He is worried about funds left on the campaign address controlled by DarkStar_ around 1.30BTC.

Why is my ost removed? I just wanted to know what would happen to the $40,000 left in the campaign fund.

what do you think is appropriate to do with these funds?
they cannot be returned to the Chipmixer owner for obvious reasons, and he also cannot continue paying for the campaign, which is obviously over. so what do you propose DS do with those funds?

DS sent a notice to us by PM that he would settle the outstanding campaign earnings for last week with us up to the point the website was seized.

It will be enough to cover everyone, and then they'll be some amount left over (inc. manager commission).

[worldofcoins]

After a search on google of "Chipmixer" I found there's another website that's up and running "https://chipmixer.one/"
I don't know if it's from the person who created the official chipmixer or if it's a clone.

The problem is that almost every country in the world has laws against corruption or money laundering. So he would have very few countries to flee to, without having the problem of justice in that country.

The country may not even have an extradition agreement, but an international arrest warrant allows the country to judge the person based on the crime they are accused of.

Russia could even be an escape option... but maybe he could also be committed to that country. Maybe it would be better to go to an island in the middle of the Pacific and hope that no one recognizes.

Indeed Russia seems a good option, he can also flee to Switzerland but I'm unsure of the international laws and regulations of the country.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChipMixer
"ChipMixer was a cryptocurrency laundering service operated out of Vietnam from servers run in Germany. The service was allegedly used to launder more than three billion dollars over a period of six years."

[Rikafip]

After a search on google of "Chipmixer" I found there's another website that's up and running
I don't know if it's from the person who created the official chipmixer or if it's a clone.

Its a fake one of course. It's not the first one though and probably not the last attempt as scammers are trying to trick those unaware that the real ChipMixer website is down. Unfortunately, some will fall for this.

[KingsDen]

After a search on google of "Chipmixer" I found there's another website that's up and running
I don't know if it's from the person who created the official chipmixer or if it's a clone.

Its a fake one of course. It's not the first one though and probably not the last attempt as scammers are trying to trick those unaware that the real ChipMixer website is down. Unfortunately, some will fall for this.

This link https://chipmixer.one/ is not functional and doesn't have a place in google ranking. I doubt they would be able to scam anyone even if they succeed in creating something like chipmixer. This is because the chipmixer ban and US seizure and money laundry activities are the key words you'll see when you type in chipmixer. Unless the person doesn't read.
Besides when I typed chipmixer in the google, these are the suggestions I got;
Chipmixer bitcointalk;
Chipmixer review;
Chipmixer reddit;
Chipmixer services;
Etc.

[worldofcoins]

This link https://chipmixer.one/ is not functional and doesn't have a place in google ranking.
Etc.

If I remember correctly, then the URL "chipmixer[dot]one" was at the top when I did a basic search with the term "Chipmixer", It was definitely at the top.

This is because the chipmixer ban and US seizure and money laundry activities are the key words you'll see when you type in chipmixer. Unless the person doesn't read.
Etc.

I think it took a few hours or days to correct the google indexing, which led to the "chipmixer[dot]one" domain going down below 6-7 search results.
And now I can't even see the result on the first page of google.

Besides when I typed chipmixer in the google, these are the suggestions I got;
Chipmixer bitcointalk;
Chipmixer review;
Chipmixer reddit;
Chipmixer services;
Etc.

I'm getting Wikipedia results and then article-writing websites' articles about chipmixer, such as theverge and coindesk

[Poker Player]

How do those that participated in the Chipmixer signature campaign feel about this? Do you think you will be asked to repay all the money you received for promoting Chipmixer since the FBI and other international agencies have attributed them to money laundering?

I guess you must not be too worried about the consequences at this point, right? Seeing as you are one of those participating in the highest paying campaign atm, which is also a mixer.

As far as I can see most of the responses are along the same lines as well. I believe the same. It's one thing if there was a regulation or law banning mixers. If there were, I think there could be consequences for knowingly advertising an illegal service . But I understand that there is no such regulation, what there is is suspicion by the authorities that they are used for money laundering and lack of cooperation in response to requests. So, it's a different story.

[JollyGood]

I guess you must not be too worried about the consequences at this point, right? Seeing as you are one of those participating in the highest paying campaign atm, which is also a mixer.

No I am not concerned because as with others I can make a distinction between promoting a service that provides privacy and one that could be misused if determined people (criminals) wanted to take advantage of, versus an out-and-out criminal enterprise.

If I get even the slightest bit of indication that either a scam or criminal enterprise is being promoted in my avatar or signature, I will remove them immediately. I had a very good deal with my long term signature partner and I am grateful for the opportunity to promote them but I moved on to whirlwind.money for now and will see how matters progress.

As far as I can see most of the responses are along the same lines as well. I believe the same. It's one thing if there was a regulation or law banning mixers. If there were, I think there could be consequences for knowingly advertising an illegal service . But I understand that there is no such regulation, what there is is suspicion by the authorities that they are used for money laundering and lack of cooperation in response to requests. So, it's a different story.

Yes, since most here share the view mixers are not banned therefore can be promoted then why not promote them however the issue goes further when it comes to privacy.

Mixers by default are supposed to be privacy based, that is their selling point. The notion of having regulated mixers would almost ensure they would not be shutdown by law enforcement agencies but it would defeat the idea because it would compromise client anonymity via AML/KYC. As that will not be happening any time soon (or ever), all mixers are basically open to allegations of money laundering and can be shutdown by various law enforcement agencies as and when they deem they have sufficient evidence to prosecute.

In my opinion, unless some form of evolution in mixing takes place where access of functionality is limited to criminals (or alleged criminals) or those with nefarious intentions then sooner or later all mixers will be shutdown either voluntarily or by law enforcement agencies.

[Lucius]

I guess you must not be too worried about the consequences at this point, right? Seeing as you are one of those participating in the highest paying campaign atm, which is also a mixer.

No I am not concerned because as with others I can make a distinction between promoting a service that provides privacy and one that could be misused if determined people (criminals) wanted to take advantage of, versus an out-and-out criminal enterprise.

If I get even the slightest bit of indication that either a scam or criminal enterprise is being promoted in my avatar or signature, I will remove them immediately. I had a very good deal with my long term signature partner and I am grateful for the opportunity to promote them but I moved on to whirlwind.money for now and will see how matters progress.
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Interesting thinking, although there is no logic at all in what you wrote. The only difference between what you are currently promoting (and it is a mixer) and the CM that has been seized is that the former has not yet been officially placed in the same category, or in other words it has not been officially declared a money laundering service.

You cannot know who is using the mixer that you are currently promoting, but in case you find out that some criminals used it for their dirty business, will you then be worried that you will have to return all the earnings and that guys from some three agency letters will knock on your door?

In addition, thanks to one of the members, we know the official position of the forum administration regarding mixers, which is a very clear message for those who know how to read between the lines.

[Poker Player]

In addition, thanks to one of the members, we know the official position of the forum administration regarding mixers, which is a very clear message for those who know how to read between the lines.

Can you quote that message please?

[JollyGood]

Interesting thinking, although there is no logic at all in what you wrote. The only difference between what you are currently promoting (and it is a mixer) and the CM that has been seized is that the former has not yet been officially placed in the same category, or in other words it has not been officially declared a money laundering service.

Precisely. If any business was declared as a money launder or other criminal activity alleged against them, I would apply the only available logic and would stop participating in their signature campaigns. And add to that if allegations were made by forum members that they were scammed by any business I display in my avatar or signature then I will remove it and probably open (or at least participate) in a scam accusation thread.

You cannot know who is using the mixer that you are currently promoting, but in case you find out that some criminals used it for their dirty business, will you then be worried that you will have to return all the earnings and that guys from some three agency letters will knock on your door?

I personally would not be worried about possibly being asked to hand over the received fees for the signature campaign but others might be. If asked by law enforcement agencies I would simply give it as I would not want to be viewed as a criminal or fugitive.

Having said, if law enforcement agencies made it clear they will ask Chipmixer signature campaign participants to send/surrender all funds they received from the Chipmixer signature campaign, I would immediately remove any mixer from my avatar and/or signature and never get involved with mixer campaigns again and that would only be because a precedent would have been set by the law enforcement agencies. As of yet, that has not happened.

In addition, thanks to one of the members, we know the official position of the forum administration regarding mixers, which is a very clear message for those who know how to read between the lines.

I am missing something.

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In addition, thanks to one of the members, we know the official position of the forum administration regarding mixers, which is a very clear message for those who know how to read between the lines.

Can you quote that message please?

I am missing something.

All staff members refuse or have withdrawn from participation in the advertising mixing service. there is no official announcement about it, but there is a much clearer indication to read between the lines. written by a member who has a great reputation here

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

[Lucius]

Precisely. If any business was declared as a money launder or other criminal activity alleged against them, I would apply the only available logic and would stop participating in their signature campaigns. And add to that if allegations were made by forum members that they were scammed by any business I display in my avatar or signature then I will remove it and probably open (or at least participate) in a scam accusation thread.

The authorities in Germany and the US have clearly stated their opinion, and everything is written in a document that has been made public. Aside from what we here on the forum think about mixers in the context of privacy, some very powerful people think completely differently and consider such a way of privacy illegal. Therefore, everyone who has promoted CM over the years, and everyone who promotes any mixer today, is doing exactly the same thing - there is no difference or logical justification that one is different from the other.

I personally would not be worried about possibly being asked to hand over the received fees for the signature campaign but others might be. If asked by law enforcement agencies I would simply give it as I would not want to be viewed as a criminal or fugitive.

Having said, if law enforcement agencies made it clear they will ask Chipmixer signature campaign participants to send/surrender all funds they received from the Chipmixer signature campaign, I would immediately remove any mixer from my avatar and/or signature and never get involved with mixer campaigns again and that would only be because a precedent would have been set by the law enforcement agencies. As of yet, that has not happened.

Well, considering that the investigation was conducted for years, it is not realistic to expect that we will find out everything so quickly. At this moment, no one from the forum's administration has announced whether they received a request to hand over all the information that is of interest to the investigators, and even if it happened, there is no obligation for the admins to say it publicly.

I am missing something.

The answer was provided by another member, and I leave it to everyone to interpret it in their own way.