what will be the price that the Russian Federation will have to pay China?

[paxmao]

China is the only country that matters and is currently maintaining a significant commercial relationship with the Russian Federation. Without the huge exports and imports from China and to China, Putin and his Psychos would not be able to pay for a prolonger war. If anyone thinks that the China Communist Party is doing this for friendship and love should really give it a second thought.

What is the price? Transfering the latest tech? Intelligence data? Support for the future invasion of Taiwan? 50% discount in oil for 10 years? ... Xi Yinping could be now in Moscow asking for pretty much anything he wants - he is got Putin by his little balls.

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[BADecker]

Maybe Russia will pay China in gas through the new Russia-China pipeline. After all, Europe doesn't seem to want the Russian gas. Besides, it's about time that the more southern European countries learned to live in the cold like Russia has all these years.

[Hispo]

So you are suggesting that the sole political ties that bond China and Russia against the West is not enough to show solidarity to each other?

I would have guessed it could be enough, China is an important ally of Putin after all, economically and in terms of political views. Both countries live through authoritarian governments.

If I had to guess, I would say the best Russia has to offer is energy, natural resources and intelligence. The Kremlin could not significantly aid China to take over Taiwan, they barely can push against Ukraine (which has a common border with Russia) and Taiwan is too far from Russia.

Not mentioning that USA would take even more serious an invasion against Taiwan in comparison to what is going on in Ukraine.

[be.open]

China is the only country that matters and is currently maintaining a significant commercial relationship with the Russian Federation. Without the huge exports and imports from China and to China, Putin and his Psychos would not be able to pay for a prolonger war. If anyone thinks that the China Communist Party is doing this for friendship and love should really give it a second thought.

What is the price? Transfering the latest tech? Intelligence data? Support for the future invasion of Taiwan? 50% discount in oil for 10 years? ... Xi Yinping could be now in Moscow asking for pretty much anything he wants - he is got Putin by his little balls.

China makes no sacrifices by cooperating with Russia, this strategic alliance is mutually beneficial. Therefore, I do not understand the question in your formulation, why should Russia pay China anything else, besides what it already pays under the existing agreements.

[paxmao]

So you are suggesting that the sole political ties that bond China and Russia against the West is not enough to show solidarity to each other?

I would have guessed it could be enough, China is an important ally of Putin after all, economically and in terms of political views. Both countries live through authoritarian governments.

If I had to guess, I would say the best Russia has to offer is energy, natural resources and intelligence. The Kremlin could not significantly aid China to take over Taiwan, they barely can push against Ukraine (which has a common border with Russia) and Taiwan is too far from Russia.

Not mentioning that USA would take even more serious an invasion against Taiwan in comparison to what is going on in Ukraine.

No, I am not suggesting. I am clearly stating that China, nor any other country, acts on bonds and solidarity. People have friends, countries have allies, people have solidarity, countries have interests. A common enemy makes a common interest, but not a friendship... because countries do not have friends.

There is a price to pay. If China is buying gas, it won't be at full price. If they supply components and manufactured goods, there will be something in return. I am just wondering how big is the bill.

China is the only country that matters and is currently maintaining a significant commercial relationship with the Russian Federation. Without the huge exports and imports from China and to China, Putin and his Psychos would not be able to pay for a prolonger war. If anyone thinks that the China Communist Party is doing this for friendship and love should really give it a second thought.

What is the price? Transfering the latest tech? Intelligence data? Support for the future invasion of Taiwan? 50% discount in oil for 10 years? ... Xi Yinping could be now in Moscow asking for pretty much anything he wants - he is got Putin by his little balls.

China makes no sacrifices by cooperating with Russia, this strategic alliance is mutually beneficial. Therefore, I do not understand the question in your formulation, why should Russia pay China anything else, besides what it already pays under the existing agreements.

As said, China can cut the lifeline at any moment. I would certainly use that to my advantage and Mr Xi has made a whole life-career of doing exactly that.

[be.open]

As said, China can cut the lifeline at any moment. I would certainly use that to my advantage and Mr Xi has made a whole life-career of doing exactly that.

While you are cultivating ridiculous Russophobic fantasies here, Mr. Xi has flown to Moscow on a three-day friendly visit, his first high-level retreat since his recent re-election.

[BADecker]

As said, China can cut the lifeline at any moment. I would certainly use that to my advantage and Mr Xi has made a whole life-career of doing exactly that.

While you are cultivating ridiculous Russophobic fantasies here, Mr. Xi has flown to Moscow on a three-day friendly visit, his first high-level retreat since his recent re-election.

Besides, freedom is what it is all about, whatever China does. In this case, it is freedom from US domination being done by the USDollar.

Freedom is what BRICS is all about. BRICS... Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. Try https://infobrics.org/, or the cryptocurrency https://bricschain.io/.

[Queentoshi]

If anyone thinks that the China Communist Party is doing this for friendship and love should really give it a second thought.

This makes so much sense. I have been thinking about the audacity of China. Just like how China is very quick to offer loans and keep giving loans in billions to countries that they know paying back will be difficult to have some kind of hold over them, this is definitely another to a country that they know holding them by the balls will extremely be in their favor. China is a cunning country, standing with Putin at this time, they will get anything they want from him. They may demand exchange of some secret Russian tech and weapons, demand top information, demand for natural resource etc.

[paxmao]

As said, China can cut the lifeline at any moment. I would certainly use that to my advantage and Mr Xi has made a whole life-career of doing exactly that.

While you are cultivating ridiculous Russophobic fantasies here, Mr. Xi has flown to Moscow on a three-day friendly visit, his first high-level retreat since his recent re-election.

I am absolutely amazed to how low is your level of trolling this time. How can this be in any manner interpreted as "Russophobia"? Really, you need to broaden your lectures, if you only listen to the official propaganda you will become a dumb zombie. Unless you get paid for it, in which case you will become a paid dumb zombie.

No, if Xi needs a retreat he will go to the coast of China and have a private beach and party, not to frosty Moscow. A chief of state visit is never casual. He is there to put forward his demands an put plenty of pressure in Putin's little gonads. China does not like war, they just like buying the world one dollar at a time (perhaps Taiwan might be an exception in the future).

Anyway, a wild guess, US stops increasing the military presence near Taiwan, China turns a blind eye on it, Biden stops spending money to get re-elected and appear a man of peace and Putin may get some territory and his own life. China as usual, does business with all happily. Sound like a deal. Zelensky would need to concede, but Ukraine will survive and, in the future, arm itself with NATO weaponry to avoid further adventures.


I think we got a deal. After the offensive of course. Ukraine can and will take back plenty of land.

[BADecker]

Maybe Xi will become the peacemaker. Do you think the US can stop him? Easy. Just don't pull out of Ukraine.


China's Xi To Hold Talks With Zelensky After Meeting Putin


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-xi-visit-russia-soon-next-week
The talk is expected to happen after Xi first meets with President Putin in Moscow.

"Chinese leader Xi Jinping plans to speak with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for the first time since the start of the Ukraine war, likely after he visits Moscow next week to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to people familiar with the matter," WSJ reports Monday.

"The meetings with Messrs. Putin and Zelensky, the latter of which is expected to take place virtually, reflect Beijing's effort to play a more active role in mediating an end to the war in Ukraine, some of the people said."

All of this suggests that Beijing's role as an influential mediator, at a moment Washington has remained resistant to seriously pursuing peace in Ukraine, is gaining traction in both Moscow and Kiev.

The closely watched and controversial plans of Chinese President Xi Jinping to visit President Vladimir Putin in Russia is taking shape quickly, with Reuters reporting Monday it will happen next week, citing unnamed sources.

If accurate, this will be a much earlier timetable than previously expected, following a Dec. 30 video call between Putin and Xi wherein the invitation to visit Moscow was initially made. According to The Moscow Times, "Xi, who secured an unprecedented third term in office last week, had been expected to travel to Moscow in April or early May."

Officially both sides are keeping mum on the reports that the visit is coming next week. "As a rule, announcements of official foreign visits are coordinated synchronously by mutual agreement of the parties," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in a briefing. "When there is such readiness, we will let you know."

High on the agenda is expected to be China's efforts to get both warring sides to the negotiating table, after last month presenting its position paper, or a 12-point plan for resolving the Ukraine crisis. While it was immediately met with skepticism in the West, Ukraine's president Zelensky expressed rare openness.
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[be.open]

As said, China can cut the lifeline at any moment. I would certainly use that to my advantage and Mr Xi has made a whole life-career of doing exactly that.

While you are cultivating ridiculous Russophobic fantasies here, Mr. Xi has flown to Moscow on a three-day friendly visit, his first high-level retreat since his recent re-election.

I am absolutely amazed to how low is your level of trolling this time. How can this be in any manner interpreted as "Russophobia"? Really, you need to broaden your lectures, if you only listen to the official propaganda you will become a dumb zombie. Unless you get paid for it, in which case you will become a paid dumb zombie.

No, if Xi needs a retreat he will go to the coast of China and have a private beach and party, not to frosty Moscow. A chief of state visit is never casual. He is there to put forward his demands an put plenty of pressure in Putin's little gonads. China does not like war, they just like buying the world one dollar at a time (perhaps Taiwan might be an exception in the future).

Anyway, a wild guess, US stops increasing the military presence near Taiwan, China turns a blind eye on it, Biden stops spending money to get re-elected and appear a man of peace and Putin may get some territory and his own life. China as usual, does business with all happily. Sound like a deal. Zelensky would need to concede, but Ukraine will survive and, in the future, arm itself with NATO weaponry to avoid further adventures.


I think we got a deal. After the offensive of course. Ukraine can and will take back plenty of land.

There is no trolling, I am surprised by the one-sidedness of your statement of the question. For some reason, you are sure that Russia owes a lot to China, while China is one of the main beneficiaries of the conflict in Ukraine. I think at the talks between Putin and Xi the question will be put in a different formulation, for example, "What else can China do for Russia so that the conflict in Ukraine continues for at least another year or two?" Think about it at your leisure.

[Newlifebtc]

I think that these two countries how to get the to get or achieve Everton that man so I believe that China does not get anything from Russia and washer does not get anything from China what they normally do is because they have the relationship proportional Hazard two countries so I believe or none of them have any price

[BADecker]

Russia is paying the price to China right now. Russia is strong enough that they are significantly weakening the US and Nato. The REAL question is, will China repay Russia in like manner, for Russia's good deed to China, when China takes over the world because the US has been weakened so badly by Russia.

Check out all the links and the video.


Xi Jinping delivers a chilling message for the West as he tells 'dear friend' Vladimir Putin


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11887931/Xi-Jinping-Vladimir-Putin-say-change-coming-ominous-message-West.html
China's President Xi Jinping told a grinning Vladimir Putin 'change is coming' in an ominous parting message as he departed Moscow last night following talks with his Russian counterpart.

'Change is coming that hasn't happened in 100 years. And we are driving this change together,' Xi told Putin via his interpreter – words sure to set alarm bells ringing in the West.

'Please, take care, dear friend,' he added, gripping the Kremlin leader's hand warmly before being waved off by the Russian despot, who bid Xi a 'safe journey'.

After the two leaders hailed a 'new era', Xi's plane left Moscow's Vnukovo airport on Wednesday. He was seen off by a guard of honour who played the Russian and Chinese national anthems, Russia's RIA Novosti news agency said.

In February 2022, the pair announced they had forged a 'no limits' friendship and Putin invited Xi to visit the Russian capital. They have since publicly talked of strengthening their 'special relationship', with Moscow and Beijing both rejecting what they say are US attempts to create a 'unipolar world' controlled by Washington.
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[Hispo]

So you are suggesting that the sole political ties that bond China and Russia against the West is not enough to show solidarity to each other?

I would have guessed it could be enough, China is an important ally of Putin after all, economically and in terms of political views. Both countries live through authoritarian governments.

If I had to guess, I would say the best Russia has to offer is energy, natural resources and intelligence. The Kremlin could not significantly aid China to take over Taiwan, they barely can push against Ukraine (which has a common border with Russia) and Taiwan is too far from Russia.

Not mentioning that USA would take even more serious an invasion against Taiwan in comparison to what is going on in Ukraine.

No, I am not suggesting. I am clearly stating that China, nor any other country, acts on bonds and solidarity. People have friends, countries have allies, people have solidarity, countries have interests. A common enemy makes a common interest, but not a friendship... because countries do not have friends.

There is a price to pay. If China is buying gas, it won't be at full price. If they supply components and manufactured goods, there will be something in return. I am just wondering how big is the bill.

I do not think Russia is in a position of taking care of bills, in spite of the relatively strength of their currency since the war started, I guess they have only lost sources of income since then.

If I had to guess, Russia will continue to pay with gas whatever they need from China: electronic components, raw military equipment, life-saving drugs, etc.

While I agree China has her particular interest in this scenario, I believe Pekín would be willing to be flexible with Moscow, for the sake of their geo-political alliance.

[BADecker]

So you are suggesting that the sole political ties that bond China and Russia against the West is not enough to show solidarity to each other?

I would have guessed it could be enough, China is an important ally of Putin after all, economically and in terms of political views. Both countries live through authoritarian governments.

If I had to guess, I would say the best Russia has to offer is energy, natural resources and intelligence. The Kremlin could not significantly aid China to take over Taiwan, they barely can push against Ukraine (which has a common border with Russia) and Taiwan is too far from Russia.

Not mentioning that USA would take even more serious an invasion against Taiwan in comparison to what is going on in Ukraine.

No, I am not suggesting. I am clearly stating that China, nor any other country, acts on bonds and solidarity. People have friends, countries have allies, people have solidarity, countries have interests. A common enemy makes a common interest, but not a friendship... because countries do not have friends.

There is a price to pay. If China is buying gas, it won't be at full price. If they supply components and manufactured goods, there will be something in return. I am just wondering how big is the bill.

I do not think Russia is in a position of taking care of bills, in spite of the relatively strength of their currency since the war started, I guess they have only lost sources of income since then.

If I had to guess, Russia will continue to pay with gas whatever they need from China: electronic components, raw military equipment, life-saving drugs, etc.

While I agree China has her particular interest in this scenario, I believe Pekín would be willing to be flexible with Moscow, for the sake of their geo-political alliance.

You seem to be talking about barter.

Money is just a convenience. It exists to make barter and trade easier. The Western money-mongers are losing their control over their own money. That's part of the reason why they are fighting with Russia in the first place.

When it's not convenient to use money, don't use it. That's the position Russia is in regarding using Western money. They are working with other nations to make their own money - BRICS - because money simplifies certain aspects of trade.

If one judges Russia by the Western money standard, she might seem to be floundering. But regarding trade, like to China - the pipeline - neither Russia nor China are floundering. They are simply on a different system... a system that might include barter and trade without so-called money, at least for a while.

To suggest that Russia is cut off from money, is simply to ignore the facts of the strength of Russia.

[BADecker]

Russia's economy has been great, ever since the sanctions began. Why would Russia want to end their little part in the Ukraine war now? If nothing else, they are sitting there, waiting for the US and Nato to give them more benefits, possibly through even more sanctions.

In fact, this might be the reason why they aren't collapsing Bakhmut right now. "Give us more gifts, first," they might be saying.


Russia's Economy Is Booming - Despite or Because of Sanctions?


https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2023/03/russias-economy-is-booming-despite-or.html
To start with, Russia is internally able to be self sufficient.  This means zero external leverage.  Thus sanctions simply kick started supply replacement.

This always creates a boom as it did in Japan and Germany back in the day.

The skills are all there as well and it is easy to do.


It is true, western sanctions have failed miserably in destroying Russia's economy. To the contrary, Russia's economy has been booming since 2022 and keeps doing well, also projected into the future. Why? "We have exponentially increased our economic sovereignty", President Putin commented at a recent meeting with aircraft factory employees in Ulan-Ude, Buryatia. The autonomous Republic of Buryatia is in the south of Eastern Siberia, along the border with Mongolia. Its territory takes up two thirds of the water area of Lake Baikal (see map below). This just as an idea of the enormous landmass, called Russia, and what lays above and beneath her.

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As usual, it is the European people at large who have been betrayed by their so-called leaders – most, if not all of them, scholars of Klaus Schwab’s school for YGL. By no means have they ever been “infiltrated” to serve the interests of the people, who supposedly “elected” them. The farce and betrayal is so bold, that most people cannot and will not believe it.
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[slashz9]

I think that was China's strategy at the beginning because after a long time of trading and gaining Russia's trust they started to move and approach Putin, if so then China will benefit greatly from this agreement, and I think Russia will also benefit because if it didn't then no deal would happen.

[BADecker]

The major thing that makes or breaks a country is the morality of the people. The people of all the major countries are becoming more immoral. But the US might be the worst.

After all, the only soldiers the US has lost in a big way, are the babies that they abort... like maybe as many as 100 million over the last half century.

Personally, I'd guess that Russia is more moral than China. Russia might become stronger because of it. China might wind up paying Russia.

[ololajulo]

Due to the fact that these countries are the most populated in the world, it is understandable why their markets are so large. As they propose gradually removing the dollar as a medium of exchange, the impact will be significant. Although the dollar value has not yet responded, transactions are beginning, which could have an impact. Most headlines neglect to mention that these countries still trade with the USA with dollars, so there is more to consider.

[Zlantann]

China is the only country that matters and is currently maintaining a significant commercial relationship with the Russian Federation. Without the huge exports and imports from China and to China, Putin and his Psychos would not be able to pay for a prolonger war. If anyone thinks that the China Communist Party is doing this for friendship and love should really give it a second thought.

What is the price? Transfering the latest tech? Intelligence data? Support for the future invasion of Taiwan? 50% discount in oil for 10 years? ... Xi Yinping could be now in Moscow asking for pretty much anything he wants - he is got Putin by his little balls.

We shouldn't forget that the relationship between both nations favors them in United Nation Security Council. For a resolution to scale through the UN security council vote, nine members of the 15 members of the council must support the motion and all five of the permanent members must support it. China and Russia use their permanent member status to veto resolutions that might not be in their interest. So they need each other to survive. There have been several resolutions to stop Russia from invading Ukraine but it was blocked by China and some other non-permanent members that are close to both nations will always abstain.