Deflation in signature campaigns

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Some time ago I created the following thread in this very section.

Inflation and its possible impact on signature campaign payments.

Interestingly, with the CM case I see the opposite has happened. We have the top forum posters who have mostly moved on to work for lower paying campaigns and for the rest it has become more difficult to get into or stay in the higher paying campaigns, which are the ones with a maximum payout of $100 per week plus possible bonus.

I wanted to comment on this issue, asking those who have been on the forum longer if something similar has happened in the past.

Also if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

[rat03gopoh]

I wanted to comment on this issue, asking those who have been on the forum longer if something similar has happened in the past.

Afaik CM is the longest running campaign ever on the forum so I'm not sure this ever happened before.

Also if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

Or some of them even have alt with paid campaign attributes? I think the ex-CM campaigner made it possible to make a price/post deal to some of the existing managers only to roll back their habbit of hitting 50 posts per week instead of signing up for alts.

[Plaguedeath]

I just don't understand what's the problem is? any campaign will trying to find the best poster who agree with their pay rate or private agreement, if not they will look into other user, not only ex-Chipmixer participants. They're allowed to join any campaign, similar like many users in this forum where jump into other campaign with better pay rate, rule or project they will promoting.

Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

Any user can create alt account to join a signature campaign, not only ex-Chipmixer participants.

to roll back their habbit of hitting 50 posts per week instead of signing up for alts.

I don't think it's correct to say their habit is to hit 50 posts per week, some participants doesn't always create 50 posts and some participants also post more than 50 posts per week.

[Charles-Tim]

Also if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

Many Chipmixer campaign participants are excellent posters, using good is an understatement, but did you know that there are some Chipmixer campaign participants that are no more active while some may not even apply for any campaign. There is high possibility that campaign managers will take many of them if a better paying campaign come to this forum, they are good posters and many of them are posting exceptionally.

The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

Building an alt is not the issue, if you have good posting quality. But some people build alt, this makes them to have reduced posting quality. What we cared for is good posting quality, not alts.

[Timelord2067]

Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

I have no doubt an alt or five will be created and outed in the pages of the Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List ^{Mk IV} thread.

One such cluster of alts was found to be claiming from the Chipmixer Signature Campaign.  I'd have to look back through the past reports from the various investigators to jog my memory who those UID's were and get back to you with the information if you want??

[Lucius]

Also if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

I personally doubt that any of the currently active managers will decide to increase pay rates even close to what CM was paying, or in other words, to suggest it to a potential new advertiser. The standards have long been set, and the question arises, why pay someone more if he agrees to less?

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

Some may try it, but it is not against the rules of the forum to have multiple accounts and participate with them in different signature campaigns. Of course, there are those who work against the rules, but that is something that has always existed.

I wanted to comment on this issue, asking those who have been on the forum longer if something similar has happened in the past.

What has changed compared to the past is that today we only have two types of advertising, one is mixing, and the other is gambling. About 6-7 years ago, there were several different businesses that used signature campaigns for their advertising.

[Rikafip]

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

There is always possibility for that as for some even 50 posts per week wasn't enough so they managed to get few more alts in CM campaign, but I don't expect to see a big surge in high quality newbie accounts (that would be a sign that something fishy is going on).

Afaik CM is the longest running campaign ever on the forum so I'm not sure this ever happened before.

Crypto.Games is two years older than CM and still running.

[bitmover]

Afaik CM is the longest running campaign ever on the forum so I'm not sure this ever happened before.

Crypto.Games is two years older than CM and still running.

That is correct. I even participate in cryptogames campaign for about 2 years before joining CM.

Some time ago I created the following thread in this very section.

Inflation and its possible impact on signature campaign payments.

Interestingly, with the CM case I see the opposite has happened. We have the top forum posters who have mostly moved on to work for lower paying campaigns and for the rest it has become more difficult to get into or stay in the higher paying campaigns, which are the ones with a maximum payout of $100 per week plus possible bonus.

This not inflation/deflation.

This is demand supply and unemployment.

As now there is a big supply of posters without a camping,  the ones who hasa bad post history/reputation  will have to be unemployed or accept lower payments.

I believe in a few months a big camping will appear.  Let's wait.


Bull run is coming. It is unstoppable.

[Saisher]

... if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

The possible type of platform that can launch a campaign similar to Chipmixer is also a mixer but I doubt if they can pay equal to what Chipmixer did although they can, it's hard to match CM payout especially now that the competition is very stiff.

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

That's possible and it could be happening but it's hard to accumulate 50 good posts majority of it in the gambling section unless you treat it as a full-time job, signature campaign to accumulate free Bitcoin is still the best option, but you also need a full-time job because there's no permanent signature campaign.

[dkbit98]

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

There was always cheaters and alt accounts abuse in forum, and this is not related with payment or number of posts.
I prefer campaigns that don't have strict limitation and that are giving more freedom to people, but this can be abused like anything in real life.
Few years ago if I remember correctly, someone was caught cheating even in ChipMixer campaign and this was all happening during the time of highest rates CM ever paid.
If I remember correctly it was identified that this guy was legendary member figmentofmyass and he used several accounts to cheat in ChipMixer campaign, and this lasted for months, maybe even years.
Members figmentofmyass, squatter and exstasie were all in CM campaign in the same time, but he controlled more accounts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.0

[Potato Chips]

I wanted to comment on this issue, asking those who have been on the forum longer if something similar has happened in the past.

From what I've seen people go from higher to lower rates all the time most likely because it's better than being vacant. It's worth nothing that most people probably know CM's rate was above average hence previous CM participants just went back to current average rates which I'm guessing has been followed by campaigns for some time already. 

The competition has also been increasing over the years, I would say posters who couldn't keep up has been weeded out over time as well. But since CM is a big campaign mostly filled with top posters plus it all happened in less than a week, it was more impactful/noticeable.

[Darker45]

We cannot deny that CM had many of the best posters in the forum. So it is just logical that they will land on the best-paying campaigns. And if their campaign ends, they can easily hop to another campaign if there are available slots, and managers are all too willing to welcome them aboard, provided they are the kind of posters that the campaign is looking for. Otherwise, even if they are brilliant posters, I guess the managers would prefer other applicants. Somebody who is very knowledgeable in project development, for example, may not be the best poster in the gambling section.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I just don't understand what's the problem is?

You don't see a problem with getting paid $100 a week instead of $300 a week? Or in getting paid $0 because in your signature campaign they have removed you to accept ex-CM participants?

I have no doubt an alt or five will be created and outed in the pages of the Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List ^{Mk IV} thread.

You can add my alt there: Cuenta Alternativa

Some may try it, but it is not against the rules of the forum to have multiple accounts and participate with them in different signature campaigns.

I know, and I have one, as I just said, which is why I was wondering if some of the former participants might be tempted to use an alt, doing things legally, in order to be able to participate in two campaigns. The problem I see with this is that if you start with an alt from scratch, it's going to take a year to monetise it properly.

This not inflation/deflation.

This is demand supply and unemployment.

You are probably right but I think I'll leave the title as it is, because although it's not quite correct, I think people understand what I wanted to express.

[coin-investor]

Also if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

Forum posting has become competitive now with the absence of Chipmixer because all campaign participants are now in trouble of getting replaced for a better poster, I don't know the possibility of a new campaign that will pay like Chipmixer because there's none in the past that comes out and equal the rate, maybe these new mixers will play the new role or filled the spot vacated by Chipmixer.

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

It's been happening for a long time as long as they aren't on the same campaign, and they are good and accepted by the campaign managers there's no issue at all.

[hugeblack]

It depends on your country, do you have a main job, and the amount of exchange in your country compared to the quality of your posts and the time you spend on the forum.

If the forum is just a bonus to get bitcoin and share your knowledge, then there is no difference. For example, I was in CM campaign for two years, and now I am in Best_change for two years. The second campaign pays a third of the amount of the first campaign, but the price of the bitcoin increased during this same period, which made the money I collected from CM during the first two years is equivalent to 3 times the current CM payment or 6 time of best_change, and so on.

So if you have a job that covers the basics and luxuries, creating an alt account in order to get $ 100 a week is a waste of time.

[Renampun]

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Also if you think that in the future some campaign will try to collect the majority of ex-CMs in a higher paying campaign.

And one last question. The CM campaign paid for a maximum of 50 posts per week, while the rest (except Stake.com) pay for a maximum of 25. Do you think this will lead some people to try to build up an alt account so that in the future they can get paid for two campaigns for a total of 50 posts per week?

most likely that's what will happen, especially if the member really has a smart brain then he will create another account to meet his weekly target of pay in a campaign. I personally don't think that CM will end but what can we do when the government finds a loophole to stop CM's operations, many former CM campaigns were immediately accepted in other campaigns and the competition with members who had reputations and the quality of the posts wasn't that good was increasingly unbalanced.

until now I still really salute the members who continue to contribute to this forum very well but don't chase pay from signature campaigns.

[virasog]

It depends on your country, do you have a main job, and the amount of exchange in your country compared to the quality of your posts and the time you spend on the forum.

If the forum is just a bonus to get bitcoin and share your knowledge, then there is no difference. For example, I was in CM campaign for two years, and now I am in Best_change for two years. The second campaign pays a third of the amount of the first campaign, but the price of the bitcoin increased during this same period, which made the money I collected from CM during the first two years is equivalent to 3 times the current CM payment or 6 time of best_change, and so on.

So if you have a job that covers the basics and luxuries, creating an alt account in order to get $ 100 a week is a waste of time.

You will never consider the payment from signature campaigns to be your main income. If you only depend upon earning from signatures, you are doing something seriously wrong. Most people use the Signature earning as a pocket money or as a wage for part time work and they are satisfied with what the get. Also, when you see that people are working blindly for bounties, where nothing is grantee if they will get any valuable tokens or not, working is signature campaigns is far better and people are willing to work.

Also i remember that in the past Campaigns used to play in bitcoin without calculating its dollar value, but ever since the bitcoin price has raised, campaigns will pay in term of dollar value, the equivalent bitcoin.

[Maus0728]

Apart from the implementation of the merit system, the discontinued chipmixer signature campaign just become another catalyst for other members to upskill themselves in terms of being articulate and experessing themselves more clearly. Because if not, there would be a surplus of forum members who can't earn even a single penny.

The point is, with the influx of ex-CM participants, there is an increase of pressure to maintain the quality of your post especially if you are on a campaign with a former CM participant. It just feels like you can be replaced anytime soon if you can't keep up with them and not do some legwork.

[KingsDen]

There is not doubt that ex chipmixer participants are exceptional quality posters. I admire many of them who maintain quality and still complete 50 posts per week.
I have a prediction or projection that soon a campaign would be launched, which will pay upto $200 per week and this campaign will accommodate almost all ex chipmixer participants. This would be a mixer campaign.

The point is, with the influx of ex-CM participants, there is an increase of pressure to maintain the quality of your post especially if you are on a campaign with a former CM participant. It just feels like you can be replaced anytime soon if you can't keep up with them and not do some legwork.

This is correct,  some old quality posters who have relaxed and allowed their quality drop would be replaced. This act has reinforced quality in the forum.
I also feel for some participants who has been managing $100 per week and eventually got replaced by someone coming from $300 per week.
Well, I know every company needs high quality posters in order to be sustained. Then there is Hhampuz who is a manager with a difference. He wasn't moved nor threatened to dismiss or downsize.

[hugeblack]

Also i remember that in the past Campaigns used to play in bitcoin without calculating its dollar value, but ever since the bitcoin price has raised, campaigns will pay in term of dollar value, the equivalent bitcoin.

The issue differs in different countries. For example, in some countries, obtaining an income of $100 represents wealth, and among them, participating in signature campaigns as a primary source of income may be better than going to work in order to obtain $100 per month.
Not to mention the ease of joining signature campaigns with more than one account, and thus greed will increase.
So far, I have not calculated the return on long-term investment if that money is not spent.