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March 24, 2023, 06:01:10 PM
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Religions are the teachings of the ancient world, and in the ancient world unjust gain is forbidden. Money earned with the value of money without effort has been seen as humiliating by everyone from Aristotle to Plato. In fact, Aristotle even had negative views about interest. So, what I mean is that the old world's point of view is not the same as the world we live in. That's why we don't understand or misunderstand some of the religions and their teachings... The pastor mentioned in the subject seems to have adapted to the world we live in and did not understand the nature of religions correctly. So it's perfectly natural for him to gamble.

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March 24, 2023, 06:04:07 PM
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No one justifies that making a living from gambling will never work, and continuing to try to make it will be a sin, because it has gotten out of hand.
But gambling can be a sin, even a mortal sin, if it is carried out excessively which undermines personal honesty or causes a person to suffer great losses which endanger society and especially the dependents of his family.
and I don't blame the priests for gambling as long as it's not excessive, and actually a lot because we don't know and they don't want people to know either and it's all just for fun, and also don't harm yourself and also others.
I like to play cards with some religious figures while on patrol, but not using money and just for fun.

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March 24, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
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Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.
I guess anyone is free to gamble as long you chose it, regardless if you are a religious leader or not. Although for most religions, gambling is strictly prohibited but we can’t stop a person if he chose to gamble because he has his own views and reasons of doing it. Yes, it could be his ministry earnings is not sufficient enough, or it could be that he just want to gamble to try his luck and hope to make it big with gambling.

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March 24, 2023, 06:22:27 PM
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Do religious leaders gamble?
From the story you just posted, it answers the question. Not all religious leaders, but some religious leaders gamble. You will be surpeised some of the other activities some religious engage in even asides gambling. Religious leaders are not always as perfect and without habits as you think.

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?
Depending on their religion, It is possible that some religions hold no belief against gambling, for the religious leaders of such religion, gambling is okay for them.

What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
If your belief does not accept it, it becomes a sin as you ae going against what you believe, but if your religion does not consider it sin, then there's nothing wrong.

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March 24, 2023, 06:27:11 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

If the said pastor did quit after winning huge amount then its up to him on what are his decisions to be made in life because we know that we could really deal up with things as long we do have the money.
It is really just that it turns out that its pretty obvious that he doesnt really want an issue once he would make himself get engage with gambling while he still preaches out God's word.

You are right on which gambling could be always seen as a negative thing on which we know that it would really be just a normal act that they would quit up just for them to make themselves
not really that too guilty if ever they would really be committing out something.

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March 24, 2023, 06:40:08 PM
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Gambling is neither a sin nor a vice, as some religions say. Gambling is played regardless of gender, place of residence, religion, or personal beliefs. Both poor and even very rich people play. Personally, I am of the opinion that if my interests do not interfere with other people's freedom, then I am not doing anything wrong. And of course I don't care what highly religious people think.

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March 24, 2023, 06:43:18 PM
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Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry.
Different people have their different motives for being religious leaders. Some are in it for the fame, some are in it for the money, some are in it for the impact but the ultimate test of their motives is money. Money reveals alot about human character and behaviour. The pastor in this story may have been unemployed and thought that starting a church is the way out of poverty however he kept his gambling as a side hustle, sort of like a 2-factor authentication.


Do religious leaders gamble?
Yes, they gamble some are just not bold enough to say it because of how people would look at them.

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?
There is no rightness or wrongness here it is just how you choose to see it.

What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
For me the ethical and moral consideration here is if you gamble as a religious leader, do not condemn it openly and go ahead to gamble secretly. It is hypocrisy and it is ethically and morally wrong.


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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

If the said pastor did quit after winning huge amount then its up to him on what are his decisions to be made in life because we know that we could really deal up with things as long we do have the money.
It is really just that it turns out that its pretty obvious that he doesnt really want an issue once he would make himself get engage with gambling while he still preaches out God's word.

You are right on which gambling could be always seen as a negative thing on which we know that it would really be just a normal act that they would quit up just for them to make themselves
not really that too guilty if ever they would really be committing out something.

But if he didn't win I think he wouldn't actually quit and would still continue to preach the word and gamble in hiding. He lives a double life. Now that he is a millionaire, he wants to give up the other lives he lived.

I couldn't really tell whether what he is doing is ethical or not. Believe it or not, he acts accordingly in order to live in a way he knows. Working as a pastor I guess is much better than being part of a looting gang. If he didn't work as a pastor, he might not win millions as well.



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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet
Previously there was a thread that had the topic of being able to make a living from gambling.
But it's okay if you don't know it yet and want to see lots of answers to that question.
It is difficult for someone to make a living from gambling because by gambling someone also has the opportunity to lose and even lose some money so the chance to make a living from gambling is only 30% and the remaining 70% is the chance for the gambler to lose most of his money.
All religions clearly prohibit gambling and all religious leaders will order all adherents of that religion to stay away from gambling.
About a priest who won a gambling like an impossible story but no one knows the certainty of the story and indeed someone can violate what has become forbidden if they are faced with a large amount of money.

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March 24, 2023, 07:24:07 PM
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Nothing can stop a person's desire to gamble even if he is a religious figure. You also don't need to be surprised, in today's era many make religion the cover for their badness. No exception for any religion. so, in my opinion, in answer to your question:

Do religious leaders gamble?
Of course, this could happen. Not just in Uganda but in any country will have one or two doing the same things.

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?
Gambling in any religion seems to be judged by wrong actions, so if there is a leader who gambles, of course this is wrong. But if he shilling to people to join him to gamble its not acceptable.

What are the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
If a religious figure gambles, of course it will be considered immoral and unethical. This is no longer just about faith, but because of the individual will of that person. Maybe in some religions, a religious figure who gambles is considered not to have good faith. But, if it comes to closing churches, or other places of worship, this is beyond common sense.

I don't mind if a religious leader gamble or not, what I am more critical is the questions

Is it right to create a church to feed your family? 

Is it right to fool people for religious donations to meet your families need?

Is it right to make fake prophesies just to make the religious follower believe that the person is a true messenger of God?

That is way worst than asking people whether gambling is ethical for a religious leader or not.  After all the person involved is a fake.

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March 24, 2023, 07:26:24 PM
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Answering the question you asked is clearly not going to be easy, no, I mean there are still many religious leaders who still adhere to what they say and what they do. And when a religious leader does something contrary to what he says, we can't punish them all for doing the same thing right?
When it comes from religious beliefs, it comes back to them personally, I personally cannot judge them, because that is the relationship between their beliefs and themselves. But if I see it in plain view, that shouldn't have happened, because taking action contrary to what he said is something that is not good, especially if he is a religious leader.

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This isn't surprising at all because pastors are more loose when it comes to rules imposed by the Church. They don't practice celibacy, often divorce their wives, have illegitimate children and so on.
The fact that he gambled and decided to live a different life only shows that being a priest wasn't the way of life he always wanted, but instead it was the easy way for him. He wanted respect so he became a religious leader, but now he can buy respect. He doesn't need to be humble. I'm not religious myself so for me it's easy to understand that many people who hide behind religion are in fact shallow.  

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I have not seen any religion that outrightly bans or condemn football and as a matter of ethics, there have been football tournament arranged in the religious house and this is no exceotion to any religion, as a matter of fact some religious leader discussed football and if their bet on them I don't know how the member or the public will judge such case.

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March 24, 2023, 07:44:39 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

First of all, I'm not sure this story is true. even if so, as a religious leader actions like this cannot be justified. Talking about gambling, in fact gambling can be played by anyone, regardless of position, title, or profession. everyone can enjoy it, playing only for fun, relaxing himself with the game he likes.

Referring to this post, there will be various responses or comments from us and the community. the response will vary greatly. depending on one's viewpoint. because if we talk from the point of view of belief, things like this one hobby are part that is not allowed, we can refer to attitudes and morals. however, in the modern era like today. Gambling is not something that is taboo like in the past, even gambling is now a fun part of entertainment in the motripolitan era. therefore, gambling in many countries has been legalized. However, the negative impact inherent in the eyes of the wider community does not just disappear.

Well, as ordinary people, these religious leaders still like worldly things. To be honest, we can't really blame him, because he really understands what he's doing himself. it's just that, we can't demand much from what he does and his profession. it indicates, that humans are very easily tempted by things that are the pleasures of the world. well, because the religious leader has closed his ministry. it is better, because what he does is contrary to what he understands and teaches.

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March 24, 2023, 08:02:45 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

If the said pastor did quit after winning huge amount then its up to him on what are his decisions to be made in life because we know that we could really deal up with things as long we do have the money.
It is really just that it turns out that its pretty obvious that he doesnt really want an issue once he would make himself get engage with gambling while he still preaches out God's word.

You are right on which gambling could be always seen as a negative thing on which we know that it would really be just a normal act that they would quit up just for them to make themselves
not really that too guilty if ever they would really be committing out something.

But if he didn't win I think he wouldn't actually quit and would still continue to preach the word and gamble in hiding. He lives a double life. Now that he is a millionaire, he wants to give up the other lives he lived.

I couldn't really tell whether what he is doing is ethical or not. Believe it or not, he acts accordingly in order to live in a way he knows. Working as a pastor I guess is much better than being part of a looting gang. If he didn't work as a pastor, he might not win millions as well.


I have read up somewhere or someone do make out some clarification that the amount is just too small or a thousand dollars only and not involving millions which does mean that it isnt really that something big

for him to quit up and close their church.Well, its his decision to make and its true that if he wasnt been able to hit up some wins then for sure he would continue on preaching out those fake God words.

You cant really be able to tell on whats deep inside and intents of a certain person until he do make out some actions which neither we couldnt really either believe
that they have done it.

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March 24, 2023, 08:05:58 PM
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Well,of course they can play gambling.Just imagine how many people around the world do it but they just don't advertise it and it doesn't get into the press.Of course,they should set an example for believers and not succumb to temptation but unfortunately there are also negative cases that the public learns about from a news source.

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March 24, 2023, 08:07:25 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet
It depends on the religion in question, while there are quite a few that forbid gambling there are others that are more open about it and just criticize those which cannot control themselves, however even if this pastor was doing something that supposedly was forbidden, it is not rare to find many hypocrites that preach one thing and then they do another, so do not worry too much about it as there will always be people like that which are not real believers.

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March 24, 2023, 08:50:41 PM
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Do religious leaders gamble?

There are some religious leaders that gambles, even implement it to their community in disguise of fund colletion.

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?

It is the right of a religious leader to gamble especially if gambling is legal in their country.  But it is morally wrong if the religious leader is telling their followers that gambling is bad and should be avoided.


What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

In Christian faith, many believe that gambling puts a person in distance from God.  Since it was stated by the founder of the faith Jesus that no one can serve two master at the same time, many followers concluded that when a person is gambling he choses money over God(which I think is moot).  And another thing is on 1 Timothy 6:9-10
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“Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs

So basically in a Christain's belief, engaging in gambling activities is immoral but I wonder how they come up with such idea when during their fund raising and celebration, they often sell tickets for raffle or lottery. 


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Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

I created a new thread on this before coming across this thread here, though mine is with a different context and discussion...

From what I know and have read in the bible, it is actually a sin for religious leaders to gamble, but some of them still do it anyway, I've come across several pastors who are into sports betting, its a shameful thing but it is what the world have turned into, and for this Ugandan pastor, i would say that what he did was the extreme, or height of it all, my pity is with the members that must have served and respected him for several years as a man of genuine man of God, but all the same, it is all for our learning.

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March 24, 2023, 09:23:56 PM
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I also agree with you and I also don't really engage in conversations that argue about the possibility of people loving a nice and decent lives through gambling because I've heard and seen people who live very comfortably off gambling which is a prove that gambling isn't really bad after all.
To me gamble isn't bad and as a Christian, I haven't read or heard of any place in the bible where is was or it's a sin to gamble and I don't think there is any law that restrains clergymen from gambling provided they do so responsibly.
I read the news and I couldn't stop laughing at the point when the pastor had to close down his church and it just made me remember a saying that if you want to see the truth character of a man, give him money and power

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