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March 24, 2023, 02:42:42 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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March 24, 2023, 02:58:34 PM
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Nothing can stop a person's desire to gamble even if he is a religious figure. You also don't need to be surprised, in today's era many make religion the cover for their badness. No exception for any religion. so, in my opinion, in answer to your question:

Do religious leaders gamble?
Of course, this could happen. Not just in Uganda but in any country will have one or two doing the same things.

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?
Gambling in any religion seems to be judged by wrong actions, so if there is a leader who gambles, of course this is wrong. But if he shilling to people to join him to gamble its not acceptable.

What are the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
If a religious figure gambles, of course it will be considered immoral and unethical. This is no longer just about faith, but because of the individual will of that person. Maybe in some religions, a religious figure who gambles is considered not to have good faith. But, if it comes to closing churches, or other places of worship, this is beyond common sense.

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March 24, 2023, 03:07:13 PM
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Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.

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March 24, 2023, 03:08:17 PM
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Let's focus on the story you provided, the pastor became one because he just want cash cows and he is not genuine on his mission he is what we might call a false prophet or wolf in a sheep's cloth, so when he won he does not need the church and he can enjoy life, the lesson here is to check your Pastor's motivation is becoming a servant of the Church his vocation, because if he is not, he will leave his congregation, when he has something to focus.

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“I had to stop the church because I had got my ways of making money, until now, I have made a lot that I have made a lot that I never imagined I would ever get in my life.”

Regarding your question, it's not ethical for a pastor to gamble because he must set a good example to his congregation he is committing a big sin by gambling.


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March 24, 2023, 03:09:46 PM
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Anyone can gamble anywhere, be it a religious leader, even though that doesn't mean he can't do it, usually religion requires full trust. Maybe a religious leader does that because he doesn't have full faith in religion, so he prefers other ways to make money by playing gambling. If asked whether someone can earn a living in gambling, I would say no because it is possible that the victory he gets is just luck and will not be repeated afterwards.  Wink

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March 24, 2023, 03:25:22 PM
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Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

They should not gamble because according to the scripture, they cannot serve two masters you will hate the other and love the other, and you cannot preach about love and virtue if you are the first to break what you preach, based on the story he is just deceiving the members of his church he assume the role of their pastor because of the donations.
There are so many of these in our midst and this is because of the love of money and greed and lust for power because they cast influence on their members.


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March 24, 2023, 03:40:15 PM
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It depends to the lessons that religion is teaching. There have been thousands of religions in the world and we don't know if on that actual religion that you've mentioned if the teachings there is if gambling is allowed or not.

But since the pastor have gambled and won such amount, only two things from that result. It's either he's really teaching that gambling isn't allowed and he violated it or it's the opposite.

Regardless to say, a true pastor won't leave his flocks and will attend to their needs for the words that his teachings. But just as the other teachings in the bible says, there are too many false prophets and teachers.

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Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.
I agree with this, it will all depends in their own personal interest and perspective. Some people thinks that gambling is a sin, they just don't want other people to be addicted to it that's why sometimes they even hurt us with wrong words so we are tend to be hurt. Don't mind those people who judge us, as long we know our limits and sometimes it gives us money more money than our jobs we just only need to be disciplined enough and have some self control.
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March 24, 2023, 04:09:48 PM
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Not every religious leaders gamble, because there are those who preach against this practice and are coherent with their speeches, and that is fine. The problem is when the religious leader preaches against gambling in public, but adopt this activity for his life in secret, on his private life.

I say this is a problem not because gambling should be considered wrong or immoral, but because this person is an hypocritical and manipulative one, therefore he shouldn't be trusted and followed by anyone who seek the truth, honesty and balance in life.

A religious leader who acts like this must be acting against the words he preaches in other aspects of his life as well, so be careful.

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March 24, 2023, 04:14:37 PM
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No one can make a living from gambling. I don't think that's the point of gambling, either. People can make a living with working. Gambling should be just a passion for us. It must be a tool that helps us release happiness hormones like dopamine. I don't think we should attach any more meaning to it. Also, I think religious leaders can gamble too. Everyone should be judged for their own good and evil. If a religious leader does something bad according to his faith, it should only be binding on him. I don't find it odd for a religious leader to gamble.

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March 24, 2023, 04:16:00 PM
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What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
I often see cases of priests who fall into the world of gambling, the case that happened to David Ochieng, a Ugandan pastor, is not a strange news about a priest who involved himself in the practice of gambling.

Some examples of cases I've seen.
Boston Looks Into Alleged Bribes By Priests on Church Gambling. and Gambling pastor imprisoned for begging fraud

As published by the police and prosecutors.
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The District Attorney's office and the police announced today a combined investigation into alleged payoffs to the police by Roman Catholic clergymen to ignore illegal gambling activities at certain churches.

In several cases of priests involved in gambling, it can be concluded that, human priests, are not free from mistakes, gambling does not look at certain religious leaders, if there is intention, opportunity, they will do it. money temptation is greater, than any other.

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March 24, 2023, 04:17:53 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

For me it is not ethical if religious leaders play gambling because basically they rely on their religious scriptures and if I'm not mistaken I have never heard of any religion allowing gambling, of course that is moral damage in itself because they convey what is permissible and what is not permissible. do it in religion so that religious leaders become role models for their adherents, of course it is not an ethical thing for religious leaders to play gambling.

Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.
I agree with this, it will all depends in their own personal interest and perspective. Some people thinks that gambling is a sin, they just don't want other people to be addicted to it that's why sometimes they even hurt us with wrong words so we are tend to be hurt. Don't mind those people who judge us, as long we know our limits and sometimes it gives us money more money than our jobs we just only need to be disciplined enough and have some self control.

Indeed, basically no one blames anyone for playing gambling, but maybe for everyone who looks at the morals of the behavior of religious leaders it is not an ethical thing, but maybe my perspective is like that because of the teachings that I received so that when talking about religious leaders gambling sound bad.

And again the religious leader that OP was talking about, his goal of becoming a religious leader is just to earn money, not just to convey teachings, which shouldn't be a problem without pay. This has another purpose.

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March 24, 2023, 04:46:54 PM
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For me it is not ethical if religious leaders play gambling because basically they rely on their religious scriptures and if I'm not mistaken I have never heard of any religion allowing gambling, of course that is moral damage in itself because they convey what is permissible and what is not permissible. do it in religion so that religious leaders become role models for their adherents, of course it is not an ethical thing for religious leaders to play gambling.
At present, gambling has gone to a stage where the religious leaders, the priest are not beyond of it. I can say that not every priest or leader will play. Every human being has the freedom to gamble if he wishes. I haven't heard any such news but this is not incredible. Moreover, if those priests play, they will never be revealed their gambling activities. They will never want to lose their credibility by publishing all that information.

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There's no status in choosing playing gambling if you want to play and get entertained there's a chance you get addicted no matter what status do you have as long as you are capable to play base on OP they are just one have a job but not all the time those job are in a life time it's all about people own choice and perspective.

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A religious leader who acts like this must be acting against the words he preaches in other aspects of his life as well, so be careful.
Exactly what I thought. We all know that the teachings and preachings that they've got are always against gambling. But with all of those temptations and the riches that they've got, that have made them easy do what they think will satisfy them.
So, from the very start, it's possible that the pastor has already been aiming for some bucks from his attendees and that's why many people even the atheists are mocking the churches because of acts like this.

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The pastor shut down his ministry, you could say he doesn't want anyone questioning his gambling adventure that resulted in him winning more than half a million USD so it's best to just shutdown.  He also confessed he wasn't really called to preach lord's work. He just did it for money.  Embarrassed  

We're all guilty of something, I would still forgive the guy even for wagering the money that is from the congregation. Hope he donates some to the church he once with.


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I don't think that pastor was called by God to become a pastor,if not the spirit of God will let him know that gambling is a sin to religious leaders as they are to teach their church members this side effect of gambling.

In Africa,poverty and joblessness has made people to open churches in order to deceive people as a means of hustle to get their daily bread through the tithe and offerings that church members put in their churches. This has trigger so many evil deeds by pastors to make fast money and they involve themselves in various means to get money. I can sense it that that pastor is fake,if not he will not abandon his flock just because he won big. This is when he is suppose to use the money for charity since those are what he preaches.

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March 24, 2023, 05:29:15 PM
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In the case of Christianity and Islam gambling is forbidden or discouraged.
But you also need to be aware that God created humankind with our own will so we can indeed choose whether to obey the commandments of our religions or not.

I have got the impression people over-estimate the personality and religious believes of pastors and priests, to the point people forget they are human beings as well, so they are capable or hypocrisy and even crimes they would keep in secret.

The ideal scenario would not to forget those things and also keep them in mind while looking for a spiritual guide.


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March 24, 2023, 05:34:38 PM
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I will answer that you can, but with the existing terms and conditions. If they bet on sports betting, they must have the skills and abilities to gather more information in choosing the team to compete in. If they bet on card games, they must also have the skills and abilities to play those card games.

A religious leader can gamble without anyone knowing. But only a handful of religious leaders may gamble, while other religious leaders will argue that gambling is prohibited in their religion. If we talk about moral issues, it will come back to each person about gambling. And it's best not to bring gambling or religion into gambling. It will depend on each of them to respond to it.
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March 24, 2023, 05:39:24 PM
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Depends on the belief of an individual or within a religion. Belief in the first place has no concrete basis. But if this is concerning living through gambling alone, the answer is a big no. Let us say that you happen to win a huge amount, would that be enough? No amount is enough especially because of the tendency that your expenses could change as well, consuming your winnings faster. Winning in the first place is not certain. If you happen not to win again and end up not being able to maintain your expenses after a huge win, for sure it'll leave you broke. Also, the more you are depending in this industry, the bigger your bets would be.
There's no status in choosing playing gambling if you want to play and get entertained there's a chance you get addicted no matter what status do you have as long as you are capable to play base on OP they are just one have a job but not all the time those job are in a life time it's all about people own choice and perspective.
Yes, never the belief to be questioned but the individual himself, whether to engage or not in this industry. Change is innevitable and is observant to all individuals across races, beliefs, and status.

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