Deposit disappearance in Lightning Node

[TomNick]

Hello everybody,

I am new to Bitcoin and I did setup my own lightning node with Umbrel 0.5.3 to learn. Everything worked like a charm (opened channels, connected wallet etc). This morning all of the sudden my On-Chain balance is lower than yesterday and thats why a deposit I made 2 days ago is missing although yesterday it was visable. Does anybody have any idea what could happend? And no, I did not spent anything yesterday while I was drunk (kidding) 

Thanks for some help for some kind of frustrated new Bitcoiner.....

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[DaveF]

Would need a bit more information before even attempting to figure it out.

Is the entire deposit missing or is the amount just smaller? What was the address? Did it actually confirm of was it out there pending?

Did someone open up a LN channel to you?

Do you enable autopilot?

-Dave

[TomNick]

Hi Dave,

Is the entire deposit missing or is the amount just smaller? The entire deposti is gone. It does not show up at all allthough it was there yesterday

What was the address? bc1qxdgkknc53cl9wvc95klzyu65fvfeerwtu98c92

Did it actually confirm of was it out there pending? It was already in the wallet

Did someone open up a LN channel to you? No

Do you enable autopilot? No

[DaveF]

That address has had no transactions in or out: https://mempool.space/address/bc1qxdgkknc53cl9wvc95klzyu65fvfeerwtu98c92

So if there were funds sent to it, it looks like it did not confirm and was dropped from the mempool.
 
Did you do the transaction yourself to that address or was it from someplace else? Any other information about it?

-Dave

[TomNick]

Well I sent 2 payments to that adress from my personal Bisonapp account. The first one is still visable and the second one was first visable and then disappeared. It is strange that the adress does not show anything. It should at least show the first deposit....right?

[DaveF]

Well I sent 2 payments to that adress from my personal Bisonapp account. The first one is still visable and the second one was first visable and then disappeared. It is strange that the adress does not show anything. It should at least show the first deposit....right?

Yes block explorers show all transactions so if you sent to that address it should show.

Remember the deposit address that you get from umbrel changes every time you use it so is the bc1qxdgkknc53cl9wvc95klzyu65fvfeerwtu98c92 address the one it's showing now or the one that you used before?

What does the Bisonapp account show for outgoing transactions to you? Does it show that they were confirmed? Any other info?

-Dave

[TomNick]

Remember the deposit address that you get from umbrel changes every time you use it so is the bc1qxdgkknc53cl9wvc95klzyu65fvfeerwtu98c92 address the one it's showing now or the one that you used before?
I do not know since it does not show up on umbrel nor in Bisonapp

What does the Bisonapp account show for outgoing transactions to you? Does it show that they were confirmed? Any other info?
It shows time, date, amount and thats it. No adress nothing.

[DaveF]

Do you have Ride The Lightning installed? If not can you install it though the app store.
From there if you go to onchain and then transactions it should show you everything that came and went from your onchain wallet.

Bisonapp should (I don't know for sure) have some way of showing you a txid for all funds that have been sent.

-Dave

[BlackHatCoiner]

So, if I've understood correctly: you received coins from Bisonapp (a custodial exchange), and they did show up to your Umbrel balance. Then, you received money from Bisonapp again, and they did show up, but disappeared a little later.

If that's the case, then did the transaction confirm the second time? If it was unconfirmed, then it might have been double-spent after you looked at it last time. You need to contact Bisonapp.

[DaveF]

So, if I've understood correctly: you received coins from Bisonapp (a custodial exchange), and they did show up to your Umbrel balance. Then, you received money from Bisonapp again, and they did show up, but disappeared a little later.

If that's the case, then did the transaction confirm the second time? If it was unconfirmed, then it might have been double-spent after you looked at it last time. You need to contact Bisonapp.

Since umbrel gives a new address for every transaction I am guessing (100% guess) that the address the OP gave was the next one in his wallet, which would be the one that is showing now. Even if the TX is double spent or dropped it does not display the old addresses. Umbrel also keeps the default size for the mempool. So it's entirely possible that since transactions with under a 4 sat / vb are being purged at the moment, that it *was* sent, and *is* out there BUT his node does not see it. And unless the OP has it someplace there is no easy way to see what the old address was unless he gets it from Bisonapp. You can get it by sshing into umbrel and using bitcoin-cli and get it from there but I have no idea how to get it from the GUI.


-Dave

[TomNick]

Good morning all, it is sooooooo strange, now for about 12 hours the deposti came back and it is visable. Thanks for the ideas and help