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March 27, 2023, 06:49:43 AM
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Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

There is the famous saying that prostitution is the oldest profession in human history, so in our past people must have tried to regulate it for a long time already. In my country it's legal too and is nothing evil, because it gives better protection for the workers. If something is illegal it doesn't mean people won't do it, it's just that it will be hidden from the law. Capitalism isn't really at fault here because it has been around much longer than we have capitalism.

Even before, prostitution is already considered a job to earn money. So we can't say that capitalism is involved in making businesses like this. We're all aware that we people have a lust side where they found it as source of income by paying for your body. But from this era, it evolves to online which is onlyfans account where they can be safe at home. If it doesn't pay well then people wouldn't sell their morality and dignity. But from these days capitalism involved could guarantee your safety unlike doing your job alone.

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March 27, 2023, 07:45:42 AM
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I think all professions that we think are not right can be justified by the legal basis or the government that regulates them.
I remember that a small ban on playing games can make you worse, they said, but when Covid happened in 2020, WHO advised us to play games, so basically they are happy to change it according to their interests.
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March 27, 2023, 08:07:25 AM
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I do not understand why a lot of people are really angry about capitalism even though the capitalists are the brains of the civiliazation. They called the brains for a reason, they are the ones who build schools, they are the ones who provide jobs, they are the one who provide foods, they are the ones who build houses, they are the ones who build gadgets, they are the ones who invent new technologies and they are the one why we have now a good, safe and positive environment. It really doesn't make any sense to see a lot of people who see capitalism as bad even though they got benefited by the capitalist people. They do not have jobs to earn money if there is no capitalism, they cannot provide to their family if there are no capitalist. There are a lot of benefits and advantages of capitalism and people are usually not looking on this but to loss for the disadvantages. The things is, we should see the world with abundance and prosperity if we want to have a good and better life. Avoid thinking negative and avoid saying negative things to ourselves and to the people around us.
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March 27, 2023, 08:15:53 AM
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The interest getting for the money is against the Muslim religion,But due to huge financial problems.The Muslim also taking loan to solve their economic problems.It doesn’t mean,they do against the Religious Ideology.The have get away from the convective ideology of the religion and get into the modern thought.Incase you are going to do your sibling marriage,your father depends on you for the money.But you don’t have any money in the savings,So you are forced to take some loan to help your father and your brother.So at such things, you are worked ethically then a Moral.

The woman was soulmate of man and depends on the man incomes.But most of the man not treat their wife equal and give him full money of their expenses.When the woman need money for their own survival and their children education,the woman are forced to do prostitution.It’s against the moral and it’s not against the ethical one.In such situations,woman are forced to use that option to get away from the situation.

The only solution for first one is we should have a savings at all stage to get away from the economic situation like marriages.Every man should take care of their family and his woman to avoid of prostitution by his woman in the society.

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March 27, 2023, 08:46:32 AM
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Why do some people think they can touch such complicated subjects and with two phrases voila, they've overcome definitions of things that thousands before them couldn't? I just woke up with this idea, I've solved a millennium of enigmas!

Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

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Usury is the action or practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest
Usury is banned or heavily regulated, a lot of countries have limits on how much you can change in interest and no it's heavily regulated even in non-muslim countries, and more importantly, it has ZERO to do with banks.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Immoral for you, not immoral for others.
Again, seems like you really need to go and explore the world outside your hometown cause prostitution is legal in a ton of countries, another mistake is that you think porn is more regulated than prostitution, this is just hilarious.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

You probably don't understand what capitalism is.
Prostitution exists even in countries that aren't capitalistic regarding economics, loan sharks existed way before any kind of depiction of either capitalism or socialism existed, and more importantly, the so-called moral concepts of one person don't apply to another. If you want to understand how the world works the first thing you need to do is stop trying to impose your view on others and see how they view your own principles and so-called morality.

Btw, why are you investing in BTC
So you could make money doing nothing?
If you ask some random people on the street or way better in a church or mosque, that's highly immoral of you!

Oh, more on the topic
How did you buy those coins? Maybe, with capital?

I do not understand why a lot of people are really angry about capitalism even though the capitalists are the brains of the civiliazation.

Because they are brainwashed with propaganda that US=Capitalis and that the US is evil and capitalism is a tool to make everyone the slaves of the USA? Out of 100 people who shout death to capitalism, 99 don't even know what capitalism is, there are some of them that think it's a party or a movement, they associate it with a country, with politics, with everything failing to understand what deep roots it has in human history.
Capitalism was something normal for millennia it's communism and a planned economy that are the aberrations in our history.

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Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

No. Capitalists don't really have that kind of power to defy social norms of their times. It's the social norms that change with time. Your examples don't show "capitalism destroying morality", it shows that religious morality is weakening in some parts of the world. Capitalism just makes use of the new opportunities.
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I think that's the same thing, with the products issued by the capitalists will indirectly shift civilization or era, because people's focus of attention races on what they watch every day, especially today their products are directly knocking on the door of the house both in banking loans, watching movies, and products ringing through your cell phone every day.

But there should also be no political system to discuss this, a question that is complex and cannot be answered simply. However, some people are of the opinion that capitalism can use the law to protect their interests and sometimes to the detriment of morality and fairness. For example, some companies may take advantage of loopholes in the law to avoid responsibility for the environment or for their employees. However, not all capitalists are like that, and laws can be used to protect morality and equity if designed and implemented properly.

Yes, of course they are accomplished capitalists who are already very big, of course they are able to take advantage of existing regulatory loopholes, maybe they even take action to break the rules because no one dares to go against them. They always have a way, even when the regulations are strict, the capitalists will try to show expanses of money to policy makers to protect and cover their goals from the public, so that some of them make transactions either in political transactions or directly for the continuity of their business. But what is clear in my mind is that they are capitalists who do not pay attention to morality because their orientation is profit.

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March 27, 2023, 10:20:11 AM
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Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

I disagree with porn industry being a modern counterpart of prostitution. They both are different niches of the global adult industry.
Usury is the illegal process of financially exploiting people, who borrowed money from the loan sharks. Banking has little to do with financial exploitation. Certain businesses like prostitution and gambling have to be regulated by the law, instead of being declared as completely illegal.
Making those businesses completely illegal would be a step in the wrong direction. Just like the dry regime in the USA back in the 20th century.
The mobsters would expand their crimes just because certain activities are banned. The majority of the people don't have very high morals by default.
 


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IMO, ethical concepts still exist and are considered very important in society. However, the application of legal provisions to control unscrupulous activities such as loan sharking or prostitution is necessary to protect the interests of consumers and prevent violations of the law. The imposed laws of capital may contribute to business practices, but that is to ensure fairness.

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March 27, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
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Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.
The pornographic industry isn't the same as prostitution. Those in the industry see themselves as actors (and that's rightly so) because it's a movie industry. We can safely refer to prostitution as an exchange of sex for money. In porn, actors get paid for their roles just like others in other movie sects (be it soaps, sitcoms, horror movies, religious etc) and not that they're exchange sex for pay.

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Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?
Yes, I think capitalism has actually corrupted morals more than any other pattern of government; be it feudalism, socialism or communism. Of these I mentioned, capitalism is the worst. This is one of the major dislikes of democracy.

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Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Immoral for you, not immoral for others.
Again, seems like you really need to go and explore the world outside your hometown cause prostitution is legal in a ton of countries, another mistake is that you think porn is more regulated than prostitution, this is just hilarious.



You accuse me of being a peasant. Then you must pass this test.

If your mom and 7 niggers were in an action movie(?), would you consider it normal? Would that be an art for you?

Do you think women who commit suicide while working in the porn industry are doing it because they're happy with their lives? Why are so many porn victims killing themselves?

Because they are brainwashed with propaganda that US=Capitalis and that the US is evil

https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1506706179178725379

Oh! How can they call democracy lovers who kill children devils? It's really hard to understand this. USA came there and bought oil within free market agreements. Those who hate the USA are definitely brainwashed people. What's immoral about this? Oh, those old-school folks. Yes I remember now. Their brains were machine washed at 100 degrees Celsius along with colored laundry. I guess that's why they're like this.



Please reply without blaming me guys. I'm not asking you for your minority opinions in the field of theory. I want to learn how we are pushed under the opposite imposition when almost the entire world has the same views as me in the field of practice.

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March 27, 2023, 03:20:23 PM
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Capitalism is indeed a problem for the national economy, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and they will be expelled from the land or houses they own because of capitalism, and in my opinion the state must stop capitalism so that the state can provide justice.


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March 27, 2023, 04:36:20 PM
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Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?

Well, the system needs alot of immoralities to further weaken humans/societies, continue to transform them into full blown zombies and make them easy to control and conquer. It's easier for them to quickly expand their kingdom by incentivizing the evil. That is the main reason (aside from the diminshing of good things) they sell alot of bad foods, drinks, sex, drugs, etc. In their world the good can weaken their kingdom and their grip on humanity while the bad strengthens & expand it.
Similar thing happens in the micro world specifically in human cells. The invaders will have to use similar approach to take full control of the cells, by  causing the human host to consume and do things that are bad for the body then they replicate and expand quickly.
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March 27, 2023, 04:52:48 PM
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Capitalism like this will continue to happen, especially with human greed, which is always looking for any way to make a profit, so something like this is very possible and puts morality aside. The role of law can also erode morale because it is certain that things that do not really reflect morally like this will still exist as long as there is a legal umbrella to protect it. with a different design already mastered.

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March 27, 2023, 05:03:52 PM
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Capitalism has triumphed in achieving a large part of the prosperity that we live in today, but of course this was at the expense of destroying systems that governed economic and social relations as well. Marxism explains how the moral system is basically determined by the economic system. The culture of the free market and the encouragement of individual initiative made it easy for society to break the restrictions that were imposed by the moral systems whose foundations were laid by religion and customs.
But there are many fallacies that many fall into when they start accusing the capitalist economic system of being an immoral economy, because the moral situation in the pre-capitalist systems (feudalism and slavery) was not better. The feudal lords in the previous system monopolized power by blessing religion, which was the main source of all moral legislation, either by blessing or prohibition.
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I think all professions that we think are not right can be justified by the legal basis or the government that regulates them.
I remember that a small ban on playing games can make you worse, they said, but when Covid happened in 2020, WHO advised us to play games, so basically they are happy to change it according to their interests.

There is nothing like illegal profession. Unless government doesn't want to legalise it. A profession can only be called illegal if the government is finding it difficult to regulate and earn from it. Take bitcoin for instance.
When bitcoin was new, some government tagged it to be illegal because they don't find way they can regulate it and earn from it. Now that they have discovered how to task bitcoin related payments, they have started legalising bitcoin.
Government makes law and they unmake laws, they modernise and they also victims. The government system is crooked and rigged.

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March 27, 2023, 05:20:20 PM
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Usury is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is banking. And banking is regulated by law.

Making money by prostitution is an immoral profession in almost every society. But today this immoral profession has a modern counterpart. Its name is porn industry. And the porn industry is regulated by law.

Do you think moral concepts are being killed by capitalist imposing laws who want to make more money?
Legalizing something illegal is an act of capitalists who want a business to run smoothly by cooperating with lawmakers. Money and power are the main tools to achieve goals. Maybe you see it's something bad for society. But some others see it as a necessity for the community, so there is a need for legal arrangements. Maybe the two examples you gave are not so bad, but what about LGBT. But for those who want this they see it as a human right that cannot be contested.
Maybe you also saw how it was popularized.
Sorry, maybe some are happy with that and contradict what I have said. But this has violated human nature and rejected God's provisions. It is still used as a business field.
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Capitalism has a "protective mechanism against such moves, at least mass ones ... Capitalism = market. A market with equal rights, which means it is well regulated by law, and the law is not for one person, but for everyone. And there are a lot of "controlling" systems. And for example, in totalitarian countries - this just happens. But there is no morality there, there is TOTALITARISM, the purpose of which is to satisfy the fantasies of one or a small group, at the expense of the majority. Do not confuse these concepts Smiley

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March 27, 2023, 09:08:39 PM
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I think all professions that we think are not right can be justified by the legal basis or the government that regulates them.
I remember that a small ban on playing games can make you worse, they said, but when Covid happened in 2020, WHO advised us to play games, so basically they are happy to change it according to their interests.
There is nothing like illegal profession. Unless government doesn't want to legalise it. A profession can only be called illegal if the government is finding it difficult to regulate and earn from it. Take bitcoin for instance.
When bitcoin was new, some government tagged it to be illegal because they don't find way they can regulate it and earn from it. Now that they have discovered how to task bitcoin related payments, they have started legalising bitcoin.
Government makes law and they unmake laws, they modernise and they also victims. The government system is crooked and rigged.
That is literally what illegal means. Legal means what the government allows you to do, there is law, and if you follow the law then it is legal, and if government changes the law, which they are there for, then it will become illegal, or vice versa.

I am not against that, governments should definitely change laws and make things legal or illegal, remember owning slaves was legal at some point in history, it's not now, so the ability to change the law is something quite important without a doubt. However, some governments take this as a big deal and then change what is good into bad as well, like letting abortion be legal was great, but then turned that into illegal again for some reason.

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I will say some countries doesn't have law and I believe that law that's meant for nation is not authentic we expected because corruption have take every where, some times people bring up their own law the way I'm seeing it perfectly, so I believe such very well, many people have taken some measures which I have seen that have putting them into problems.

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In my opinion capitalization is robbery supported by law, unfortunately many governments support capitalization, now few countries still maintain the role of the state and limit capitalization so that it can make its people feel more justice and economic prosperity.


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