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April 27, 2023, 12:04:01 PM
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The fight is very close now. One thing in boxing game is experience and endurance and determination. So if Johnriel Casimero has the believed that he can do it then there is nothing to worry about it even thoug he has not known his opponent to fight with.

Every boxer always believed in themselves that they can beat the fighter in front of them. Just look at Ryan Garcia's confidence going into the Tank Davis fight. He said this and that, but during the fight it's a complete opposite. I'm not saying that John Riel will not win here, but just believing in yourself is not enough. You need to execute everything in perfection even it this fight is so called tune up for him.

All what he has to do is to prepare is skills and experienced approach to battle the unknown. The pro boxing fans will be happy to watch the fight. But not all are interested in boxing game. And also those who are not fans of boxing might have interest to watch the game.

John Riel is exciting to watch because of his style. He always goes there and try to take off the head of his opponents and knock them out. So it will be the same goal for him against Nghitumbwa, KO victory and nothing more.
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April 27, 2023, 04:30:52 PM
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I didn't know that John Riel "Quadro Alas"Casimero has an upcoming fight in the Philippines against Fillipus Nghitumbwa. I searched for information about his opponent, who is from Windhoek, Namibia, with a professional record of 12 wins and 1 loss. I don't think Nghitumbwa will have the chance against Casimero with his past background, but who knows, maybe just a lucky punch will turn around the fight. It's better if Casimero will knock him out just to please the fans.  

The chance of winning against Casimero is really slim, with his current stats in paper maybe he can but in experienced though Casimero just went up to this division but we know he's a former champ and his level is by far compare to Nghitumbwa, we might see an early KO or if luck permits and Nghitumbwa will able to land a solid clear punch, maybe upset may happen.

We can only conclude after the fight, right now all are just speculation and opinion from different perspectives for this upcoming fight.

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April 27, 2023, 07:32:34 PM
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I wouldn't say it's a stepping stone for Casimero, this is just another fight that he needs to win, simply as that. This Nghitumbwa has nothing to offer in his career, Casimero has face more tougher opponents in the past. Nghitumbwa is not even a former champion, so most likely he was cherry pick by the camp of Casimero so that he will look like a great fighter again.

And with that, John Riel should win this easy, via a brutal knockout. And if that happens, then maybe his Japanese promoter can now chase a good boxer in this division, inching closer to maybe the champion in this division. So he should beat him bad, close him out early to send the message across.

Just a tune-up fight, I guess. It will only be a stepping stone if it's a big fight that would put him in position to be the number one contender, and then he'll get a chance to have a championship fight. Casimero is quite new to this division; IIRC, this is only his third fight. So, probably, more fights will come before he gets a shot to challenge the champion.

It's his 2nd fight at super-bantamweight.

Still, it's all the reason why he should be dedicated enough to finish this unknown boxer with a statement because if Casimero's good enough, then we might be seeing him fighting top tier boxers in like 2 fights from now. In this fight, I found out that there's a belt at stake, it's not that big though but it is still worthy to grab it as he needed that to climb the ladder. By the way, the belt I'm talking about is the WBO Global Super Bantam which is in Fillipus Nghitumbwa's hands now.

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April 27, 2023, 09:42:27 PM
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Every boxer always believed in themselves that they can beat the fighter in front of them. Just look at Ryan Garcia's confidence going into the Tank Davis fight. He said this and that, but during the fight it's a complete opposite. I'm not saying that John Riel will not win here, but just believing in yourself is not enough. You need to execute everything in perfection even it this fight is so called tune up for him.

Sometimes being too confident/cocky is just a way of selling the fight to the public and we know that well. Ryan Garcia agreed to all the terms that Davis threw at the negotiating table maybe because they badly needed the fight as a win against the Tank could skyrocket his stocks.

I'm a believer that there is no such thing as an easy fight in boxing but with the recent opponent of Casimero, i could say that this one will not go the distance because Ngitumbwa doesn't have the experience and first time to fight outside his country, this would be tough for him and Casimero is really training hard for this one.

Meanwhile, tickets for this fight were already sold-out per report, well that's expected because the venue is not that big and if I'm not mistaken this could only hold a few thousand guests.

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Meanwhile, tickets for this fight were already sold-out per report, well that's expected because the venue is not that big and if I'm not mistaken this could only hold a few thousand guests.

The undercards for this fight are all Pinoy boxers against Japanese boxers.

What a great show for those who will watch the event live at the famous Okada Manila. As per predictions, all Pinoy boxers at this event are all Favorites to win by a high percentage. The event is composed of these fights:

MAIN EVENT
John Riel Casimero vs. Fillipus Nghitumbwa

UNDERCARDS
Takeshi Inoue vs. Weljon Mindoro
Jun Ikegawa vs. Carl Jammes Martin
Ayumu Hanada vs. Vince Paras
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April 28, 2023, 12:32:51 PM
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Every boxer always believed in themselves that they can beat the fighter in front of them. Just look at Ryan Garcia's confidence going into the Tank Davis fight. He said this and that, but during the fight it's a complete opposite. I'm not saying that John Riel will not win here, but just believing in yourself is not enough. You need to execute everything in perfection even it this fight is so called tune up for him.

Sometimes being too confident/cocky is just a way of selling the fight to the public and we know that well. Ryan Garcia agreed to all the terms that Davis threw at the negotiating table maybe because they badly needed the fight as a win against the Tank could skyrocket his stocks.

I'm a believer that there is no such thing as an easy fight in boxing but with the recent opponent of Casimero, i could say that this one will not go the distance because Ngitumbwa doesn't have the experience and first time to fight outside his country, this would be tough for him and Casimero is really training hard for this one.

Meanwhile, tickets for this fight were already sold-out per report, well that's expected because the venue is not that big and if I'm not mistaken this could only hold a few thousand guests.

It's good that the ticket is sold-out, but as you have said, maybe the venue is not that big so obviously with Casimero's popularity in the Philippines, there are going to flock and watch him live.

It's the gamble that Garcia took though, maybe Oscar advises him, after all he is the manager. But I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, he wanted to gain respect from the boxing community and se he has been calling Tank for years because he believed beating him will raise his stocks. But it's the other way around, now he is back to and maybe he will go up in weight.

But going back to the fight, I check sportsbet.io, the odds are not out yet.

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April 28, 2023, 12:47:34 PM
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Every boxer always believed in themselves that they can beat the fighter in front of them. Just look at Ryan Garcia's confidence going into the Tank Davis fight. He said this and that, but during the fight it's a complete opposite. I'm not saying that John Riel will not win here, but just believing in yourself is not enough. You need to execute everything in perfection even it this fight is so called tune up for him.

Sometimes being too confident/cocky is just a way of selling the fight to the public and we know that well. Ryan Garcia agreed to all the terms that Davis threw at the negotiating table maybe because they badly needed the fight as a win against the Tank could skyrocket his stocks.

I'm a believer that there is no such thing as an easy fight in boxing but with the recent opponent of Casimero, i could say that this one will not go the distance because Ngitumbwa doesn't have the experience and first time to fight outside his country, this would be tough for him and Casimero is really training hard for this one.

Meanwhile, tickets for this fight were already sold-out per report, well that's expected because the venue is not that big and if I'm not mistaken this could only hold a few thousand guests.

It's good that the ticket is sold-out, but as you have said, maybe the venue is not that big so obviously with Casimero's popularity in the Philippines, there are going to flock and watch him live.

It's the gamble that Garcia took though, maybe Oscar advises him, after all he is the manager. But I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, he wanted to gain respect from the boxing community and se he has been calling Tank for years because he believed beating him will raise his stocks. But it's the other way around, now he is back to and maybe he will go up in weight.

But going back to the fight, I check sportsbet.io, the odds are not out yet.
About the ticket price:
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According to the ticketing page shared by event promoter Treasure Boxing Promotion, a regular seat would cost $75 or PHP4,165 while a VIP ringside seat will set one back $375 or PHP20,828.
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/868234/here-are-the-ticket-prices-for-john-riel-casimero-s-homecoming-bout-in-manila/story/

I also checked the venue capacity but I'm not that sure that this information that I've got from the web is legit as it says that the venue can only hold up to 2,000 guests, which is quite a small venue for this bout mainly for Casimero's fans to see especially now that he is fighting inside his own country.

I know this bout is not that big but what do you think folks, is the said capacity decent enough?
They could've sold a few more seat if they selected a bigger venue as I know there are still lot of people out there who wanted to see this fight.

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April 28, 2023, 07:55:45 PM
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Every boxer always believed in themselves that they can beat the fighter in front of them. Just look at Ryan Garcia's confidence going into the Tank Davis fight. He said this and that, but during the fight it's a complete opposite. I'm not saying that John Riel will not win here, but just believing in yourself is not enough. You need to execute everything in perfection even it this fight is so called tune up for him.

Sometimes being too confident/cocky is just a way of selling the fight to the public and we know that well. Ryan Garcia agreed to all the terms that Davis threw at the negotiating table maybe because they badly needed the fight as a win against the Tank could skyrocket his stocks.

I'm a believer that there is no such thing as an easy fight in boxing but with the recent opponent of Casimero, i could say that this one will not go the distance because Ngitumbwa doesn't have the experience and first time to fight outside his country, this would be tough for him and Casimero is really training hard for this one.

Meanwhile, tickets for this fight were already sold-out per report, well that's expected because the venue is not that big and if I'm not mistaken this could only hold a few thousand guests.

It's good that the ticket is sold-out, but as you have said, maybe the venue is not that big so obviously with Casimero's popularity in the Philippines, there are going to flock and watch him live.

It's the gamble that Garcia took though, maybe Oscar advises him, after all he is the manager. But I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, he wanted to gain respect from the boxing community and se he has been calling Tank for years because he believed beating him will raise his stocks. But it's the other way around, now he is back to and maybe he will go up in weight.

But going back to the fight, I check sportsbet.io, the odds are not out yet.
About the ticket price:
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According to the ticketing page shared by event promoter Treasure Boxing Promotion, a regular seat would cost $75 or PHP4,165 while a VIP ringside seat will set one back $375 or PHP20,828.
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/868234/here-are-the-ticket-prices-for-john-riel-casimero-s-homecoming-bout-in-manila/story/

I also checked the venue capacity but I'm not that sure that this information that I've got from the web is legit as it says that the venue can only hold up to 2,000 guests, which is quite a small venue for this bout mainly for Casimero's fans to see especially now that he is fighting inside his own country.

I know this bout is not that big but what do you think folks, is the said capacity decent enough?
They could've sold a few more seat if they selected a bigger venue as I know there are still lot of people out there who wanted to see this fight.

Yes, seems like you got the correct intel because the Okada's main hall where they host some events like these are not that huge compared to other hotels outside the country. IMO, 2,000 is already a pretty big space for a fight like this because just like you've said, this bout is not that big and probably will not attract a lot of audience to watch the fight live but in-terms of PPV, there might be many people who would avail to see the fight.

In-fact, it's already a good thing that the venue tickets was already sold out because I bet the organizers wasn't expecting that to happen because if they were, they could've moved the location to a different place like a stadium but what they played it safe just to make sure that instead of making some profits, they will not receive the opposite outcome.

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May 07, 2023, 03:34:59 AM
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Are there still no betting odds available for this fight? I have searched different sportsbooks, but I could not find any. I'm not sure of the reason behind it, but it's probably because this fight isn't as popular as championship fights.

The fight is less than a week away, so the odds should be available by now. Since they're not out yet, I'll check again a day before the fight.

For those who don't know where the fight will take place, it will be in the Philippines.

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May 07, 2023, 05:58:09 AM
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Why does John Riel Casimero accept this fight? he's just going to walk through this guy and depending on the record he has he doesn't have any kind of heavy opponents at all, unlike John Riel Casimero that has Guillermo Rigondeaux, Duke Micah, Zolani Tete, and even Ryo Akaho that has 44 bouts in his record, while Fillipus Nghitumbwa all of his fight records was all from Namibia for sure this is not going to be an upset this is going to be a destruction of a rising talent I really think it is still not enough 13 bouts 12 KO's and 1 Lost,

For me, John Riel Casimero should focus on some upper-rank bouts this will not surely add to his experience that much, but it will surely add up to his winning record, but for me a step-up fight for Casimero should be Luis Nery, or Ra'eese Aleem that is rank 3 and 2 in the WBO Super Bantamweight division, then after that focus on the IBF,

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May 07, 2023, 02:29:50 PM
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Why does John Riel Casimero accept this fight? he's just going to walk through this guy and depending on the record he has he doesn't have any kind of heavy opponents at all, unlike John Riel Casimero that has Guillermo Rigondeaux, Duke Micah, Zolani Tete, and even Ryo Akaho that has 44 bouts in his record, while Fillipus Nghitumbwa all of his fight records was all from Namibia for sure this is not going to be an upset this is going to be a destruction of a rising talent I really think it is still not enough 13 bouts 12 KO's and 1 Lost,

For me, John Riel Casimero should focus on some upper-rank bouts this will not surely add to his experience that much, but it will surely add up to his winning record, but for me a step-up fight for Casimero should be Luis Nery, or Ra'eese Aleem that is rank 3 and 2 in the WBO Super Bantamweight division, then after that focus on the IBF,

He has a new manager, a Japanese match maker, so maybe they just want to take it slow. And as much as we wanted John Riel to fight for the belt, it's not gonna be easy for him right now as this is a new weight class for him. So he had to climb the ladder again.

So maybe after this one, they will look for a name opponents and maybe fight in the US. But I do agree, I'm liking Casimero against the likes of Luis Nery. They have been trash talking before so might be a good opportunity for John Riel to face him next after he wins against Nghitumbwa. And it would be better if Casimero wins by a knockout here so that he can go and become hype again.

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May 07, 2023, 03:27:14 PM
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For me, John Riel Casimero should focus on some upper-rank bouts this will not surely add to his experience that much, but it will surely add up to his winning record, but for me a step-up fight for Casimero should be Luis Nery, or Ra'eese Aleem that is rank 3 and 2 in the WBO Super Bantamweight division, then after that focus on the IBF,

The problem is, those on the upper rank have nothing to gain if they will fight Casimero at this point. Casimero's camp really wants to push for a good fight in order to be recognized and climb the ranking but they are starting from scratch since entering the 122 lbs division. No choice but to accept fights even against a non-popular boxer.

Casimero needs to remain active in the ring for at least 2 fights per year regardless of the opponent as the goal is to be recognized. His debut fight on the 122 is against a low-tier boxer but with how Casimero shows dominance in that fight, the WBC has given him an 8th rank right away. The WBO also ranked him 5th.

If Casimero will show a dominant landslide victory, or much better a deadly KO win, he will surely again be recognized and will be given a much higher rank. One step closer to having a chance to fight those at the upper rank.

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May 07, 2023, 08:00:35 PM
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Are there still no betting odds available for this fight? I have searched different sportsbooks, but I could not find any. I'm not sure of the reason behind it, but it's probably because this fight isn't as popular as championship fights.

The fight is less than a week away, so the odds should be available by now. Since they're not out yet, I'll check again a day before the fight.

For those who don't know where the fight will take place, it will be in the Philippines.

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FORMER world champion Johnriel Casimero makes a homecoming after four years as he takes on Filipus Nghitumbwa of Namibia at the Okada Resort Hotel on May 13.



Because this is just like a tune-up fight for Johnreil Casimero. I did notice earlier that Filippus is ranked #10 by the WBO and top 20 by another 1 or 2 sanctioning bodies. So this is not a bad pick at least and this is a homecoming fight of Casimero where it is hard and not cheap to let a world-ranked contender into enemy territory.

This homecoming fight is not very welcoming to the fans that want to watch him live though as the venue is in an expensive hotel-casino where tickets are expected to be very expensive. Only rich individuals can afford to watch this event. But most likely this can be shown live on local television channels for free. I don't have cable and antenna on my tv so I am rooting for the vloggers to show this live online. Cheesy

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May 07, 2023, 08:32:37 PM
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Are there still no betting odds available for this fight? I have searched different sportsbooks, but I could not find any. I'm not sure of the reason behind it, but it's probably because this fight isn't as popular as championship fights.

The fight is less than a week away, so the odds should be available by now. Since they're not out yet, I'll check again a day before the fight.

For those who don't know where the fight will take place, it will be in the Philippines.

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FORMER world champion Johnriel Casimero makes a homecoming after four years as he takes on Filipus Nghitumbwa of Namibia at the Okada Resort Hotel on May 13.


Maybe you guessed it right, bookies are still not listing this fight because aside from the fact that it's not yet a championship fight, both participants are not that known especially Nghitumbwa or it's not gaining a lot of attention. Maybe 48 hours before the fight, they will.

In my local sportsbook, this bout was already listed about a week ago, but as of now, there are no betting options for this fight. Still waiting for it though.

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Filipus Nghitumbwa  - 8.4
Draw                          - 30

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May 07, 2023, 10:44:21 PM
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This homecoming fight is not very welcoming to the fans that want to watch him live though as the venue is in an expensive hotel-casino where tickets are expected to be very expensive. Only rich individuals can afford to watch this event. But most likely this can be shown live on local television channels for free. I don't have cable and antenna on my tv so I am rooting for the vloggers to show this live online. Cheesy
Filipino sports streamers are making money from streaming live boxing through donations so I will have no problem watching this fight, and you are right only rich ones can afford the price, but the promotions have a good reason why they will hold in casinos because this is not a championship fight and he is fighting unknown fighters and its hard to promote this fight in big arenas for a more affordable price, so the promoters opted for small arenas but expensive tickets and sponsorships.
Maybe after Casimero becomes a World Champion again his promoters can choose a big arena for his local fans.

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This homecoming fight is not very welcoming to the fans that want to watch him live though as the venue is in an expensive hotel-casino where tickets are expected to be very expensive. Only rich individuals can afford to watch this event. But most likely this can be shown live on local television channels for free. I don't have cable and antenna on my tv so I am rooting for the vloggers to show this live online. Cheesy
Filipino sports streamers are making money from streaming live boxing through donations so I will have no problem watching this fight, and you are right only rich ones can afford the price, but the promotions have a good reason why they will hold in casinos because this is not a championship fight and he is fighting unknown fighters and its hard to promote this fight in big arenas for a more affordable price, so the promoters opted for small arenas but expensive tickets and sponsorships.
Maybe after Casimero becomes a World Champion again his promoters can choose a big arena for his local fans.

these days, you have no problem watching it live if you know where to find free streaming services. and if not, just wait for the free uploads. seems that crypto bookies won't list this fight. not a big fight anyway.
such hotel venue is indeed an expensive one, so not for the masses. well, if the rich are willing to watch they can earn some money here. but casimero's name is waning down already. so he needs to win on this fight, else, his name will go down much deeper.

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these days, you have no problem watching it live if you know where to find free streaming services. and if not, just wait for the free uploads. seems that crypto bookies won't list this fight. not a big fight anyway.
such hotel venue is indeed an expensive one, so not for the masses. well, if the rich are willing to watch they can earn some money here. but casimero's name is waning down already. so he needs to win on this fight, else, his name will go down much deeper.

As always with a non-popular fight, odds are going to be released few days before the fight but rest assured that this will be covered by the bookies.

The tickets for the general admission for this fight is less that a hundred dollar and it's already sold out and last time I've heard that they added some tickets to cater to some fans that are eager to watch this fight. The venue could only accommodate a few hundred of people that's the reason why the general admission ticket is that high, though not too high but to ordinary Filipinos it's quite a lot of money.



^^ latest photo of Casimero I grabbed on his youtube channel and it seems he got no problem anymore making the scale.

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In my local sportsbook, this bout was already listed about a week ago, but as of now, there are no betting options for this fight. Still waiting for it though.

John Riel Casimero   - 1.12
Filipus Nghitumbwa  - 8.4
Draw                          - 30


What sportsbook are you using? Those odds are crazy. I didn't expect Filipus Nghitumbwa to be the favorite, but I also didn't expect him to be this much of an underdog. Personally, I would bet on Casimero, but 1.12 is not attractive. Are there any other betting options where we can get higher odds, such as Casimero winning by KO in 1-3 rounds?

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May 08, 2023, 01:27:43 PM
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John Riel Casimero vs. Fillipus Nghitumbwa

UNDERCARDS
Takeshi Inoue vs. Weljon Mindoro
Jun Ikegawa vs. Carl Jammes Martin
Ayumu Hanada vs. Vince Paras

Looks like we have some decent undercard fights as well and these guys might be the next superstar in boxing they just need to show some impact in this one because this is their chance to shine since Casimero is famous enough to be watched with millions of viewers all around the world especially in Asia. It might be not the best opponent he could have but it is a chance to prove to himself he can beat anybody here in this weight class and he needs to be getting a stronger opponent than Nghitumbwa. I predict an early knockout because Casimero is hungry for a multimillion contract but in order to have that, he will need to win this amazingly than ever before.

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May 08, 2023, 01:38:29 PM
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MAIN EVENT
John Riel Casimero vs. Fillipus Nghitumbwa

UNDERCARDS
Takeshi Inoue vs. Weljon Mindoro
Jun Ikegawa vs. Carl Jammes Martin
Ayumu Hanada vs. Vince Paras

Looks like we have some decent undercard fights as well and these guys might be the next superstar in boxing they just need to show some impact in this one because this is their chance to shine since Casimero is famous enough to be watched with millions of viewers all around the world especially in Asia. It might be not the best opponent he could have but it is a chance to prove to himself he can beat anybody here in this weight class and he needs to be getting a stronger opponent than Nghitumbwa. I predict an early knockout because Casimero is hungry for a multimillion contract but in order to have that, he will need to win this amazingly than ever before.
Yep, the match for Inoue is quite interesting as well. Casimero needed to have the KO because as far as I know the opponent it not so well known in the mainstream but be has a good Track record for KO, most of his fight are came from KO. My vote will be for Casimero but he should be careful with Nghitumbwa, this guy has a good stats as well, this will be a good fight for both of them want to be known and want to be known more.
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