[PAUSE/CLOSE] BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign

[Josefjix]

Looking forward to work with all of you again in another campaign whenever we will have a chance. Have a good night.

Cheers,

I hope they respond positively; I just received the information this afternoon. I'm willing to wait, and you may pay me whenever it's convenient for you. Don't beat yourself..

Goodnight

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[Gladitorcomeback]

I only can hope that the domain was sized and soon my Anyway, it is what it is. You all expected to get paid a total of 0.05836495 BTC from me by the next 7 to 10 days.

My only hope is, the contact person gives me some positive information. :-(

Looking forward to work with all of you again in another campaign whenever we will have a chance. Have a good night.

Cheers,

Never expected this kind of ending. Anyway no issue with late payment. It's very hard to lay from own pocket. we hope that contacted person will fill out fund for distribution. Till then it's better to wait. It's was great 8 week working experience with and I hope we will work together in next compaign. I cannot say anything from other but i will try my best to cooperate. Thanks

[nakamura12]

I think this is the problem of a website where you can make your BTC mixed so that it won't be easy to track. The problem with it is that the platform can be used to launder money and I think the reason would be the same as chipmixer if the website still remain seized by FBI. I wonder what will the management do to fix this.

[boyptc]

Hi, Royse. Please don't feel pressured and stressed and take your time. We do understand the situation and this is unfortunately unexpected. We're wishing that your contact from BCR will pay you so you don't have to shoulder this loss. If there's a better arrangement that you can think for everyone, we'll be glad to hear that out from you but as you've said, I'm willing to wait for even 7 to 10 days as you've said.

Otherwise, it's been a great weeks with your management and hopefully we still get to work with your other campaigns soon.

I think this is the problem of a website where you can make your BTC mixed so that it won't be easy to track. The problem with it is that the platform can be used to launder money and I think the reason would be the same as chipmixer if the website still remain seized by FBI. I wonder what will the management do to fix this.

Another problem is that the image that appears on their website is from the actual image of chipmixer when they're seized and it seems that it was just fabricated/edited for a probable exit to make it look like they're seized. Even the logo of CM was there. But who knows.

[Wind_FURY]

Royse777 is not home but I was asked to make this response on behalf of him.


Please remove the signature, the campaign is on hold until I have an update from the team. I have contacted the representative I am in touch with and waiting for his response.

Whatever happens, active participants will get paid of whatever is outstanding from the last week and this week until yesterday. The escrow address does not have a balance though but I will make sure you are paid.

Regards,

Royse777

Thanks again Little Mouse for posting the information.


Sorry guys, I was away whole day. Earlier in the afternoon, the person in contact with me for BetterCallRaul was telling they (Raul management) are not replying (it was about refilling last week's outstanding 0.03543932 BTC). I told him if they don't respond by the next payday then on the next payday I will pause the campaign and wait for them (management) to refill the wallet for outstanding (last week and whatever it will be for this week) balance first then I will relaunch the campaign again if needed. The person in contact told me not to do anything right now and he is stressed too as they said something related to Chipmixer came to his (management as I understood) house.



My understanding is that my contact person was not aware of seizing (or whatever we make from it) the site at all at that time. I was not aware too.

After few minutes I was just checking my Telegram group and found someone posted a screenshot and there is a talk about Raul. Immediately, I responded my contact person to know is this really on their site (I did not want to check from my clear net on the phone)? But he was offline. He responded later with a yes.

But by the time I am already stressed and not sure what to do. I asked Little Mouse to investigate and give me some valid information of what is happening as I am not home and can not access my laptop, I am not a mobile friendly person.

All felt that happened so quick that I was not able to make up the mind to whether continue the campaign or not. After thinking a while I figured, if the domain is seized then no point to continue and if they rug pulled (hope they did not) still there are no point to continue the campaign. In the first case I only can hope they will pay the outstanding (if they have the opportunity) through my contact person but in the 2nd case, I don't think they will even pay a single penny. So in any case pausing the campaign was the most logical decision. No matter what happened (seized or rug pulled) I had to act immediately and inform Little Mouse to pass the update. Thanks LM again.

The campaign is on a Pause, consider it Closed.

Whatever you posted until yesterday has been counted. One person removed the signature before I asked LM to post the update. I am not sure when he removed the signature, but since his bio did not have signature when LM (I trust his words) was checking everyone's bio, I am considering he left the campaign without informing me so he will not receive anything.

Your data for the incomplete week (week#8)

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Forum User	Forum Rank	Payroll	Email	# of posts while counting	Total post	Post Denied	Eligible Posts	Comment	Reward p/Post	Bonus	Total USD	Payout BTC
OmegaStarScream	Staff-Legenday	Legendary			12	$0.00	12	$5 per post	$5.00		$60.00	0.00222651
1miau	Legendary	Legendary			17	$0.00	17	$5 per post	$5.00		$85.00	0.00315422
Wind_FURY	Legendary	Hero			14	$1.00	13	all set/ss shared	$3.20		$41.60	0.00154371
d5000	Legendary	Hero			1	$0.00	1	all set	$3.20		$3.20	0.00011875
boyptc	Hero	Sr. Member	boy		17	$0.00	17	all set/ss shared	$2.40		$40.80	0.00151403
ZAINmalik75	Sr.	Sr. Member			14	$0.00	14	all set	$2.40		$33.60	0.00124685
Gladitorcomeback	Sr.	Sr. Member	Glaxxxxxxxx		16	$0.00	16	all set/ss shared	$2.40		$38.40	0.00142497
Franctoshi	Sr.	Sr. Member	fra		21	$11.00	10		$2.40		$24.00	0.0008906
SamReomo	Sr.	Sr. Member	sam		19	$3.00	16	all set/ss shared	$2.40		$38.40	0.00142497
bbigtart	Full Member	Full member	ubi		17	$0.00	17	all set/ss shared	$1.60		$27.20	0.00100935
Josefjix	Full Member	Full member	dav		17	$0.00	17		$1.60		$27.20	0.00100935
Faisal2202	Full Member	Full member	btt		19	$0.00	19	all set/ss shared	$1.60		$30.40	0.0011281
Hvdv	Full Member	Full member	Hvd			$0.00		all set/ss shared (removed sig without permission)	$1.60		$0.00	0
Negotiation	Full Member	Full member			16	$8.00	8	(have neutral related to posts)	$1.60		$12.80	0.00047499
Cryptomultiplier	Full Member	Full member			25	$3.00	22	all set 	$1.60		$35.20	0.00130622

Total BTC for this week is 0.02292563 BTC

I only can hope that the domain was sized and soon my contact person will update that they are going to send the BTC. I will wait a week for that, to hear something positive for me. If there are no payment then I will have to pay both weeks outstanding payment out of my pocket. Please allow me 7 to 10 days before you see the payments on your wallets. I hope you all are okay with that.

Sorry for any inconvenience. I think none of us expected such ending especially I never expected to make another huge lose in the business and paying out of my own pocket again after Bitlucy scammed me (Over $6.2K or something, I can not remember exactly). Anyway, it is what it is. You all expected to get paid a total of 0.05836495 BTC from me by the next 7 to 10 days.

My only hope is, the contact person gives me some positive information. :-(

Looking forward to work with all of you again in another campaign whenever we will have a chance. Have a good night.

Cheers,

It's not your fault, Royse. Personally, you don't need to pay me if the escrow wallet is not refilled by BetterCallRaul.

[LoyceV]

I only can hope that the domain was sized

If the domain was seized, the DNS entries would have been changed. That didn't happen:

Code:

Domain:             bettercallraul.it
Status:             ok
Signed:             no
Created:            2023-02-22 04:40:56
Last Update:        2023-02-28 01:04:33
Expire Date:        2024-02-22

[SamReomo]

I only can hope that the domain was sized and soon my contact person will update that they are going to send the BTC. I will wait a week for that, to hear something positive for me. If there are no payment then I will have to pay both weeks outstanding payment out of my pocket. Please allow me 7 to 10 days before you see the payments on your wallets. I hope you all are okay with that.


Sorry for any inconvenience. I think none of us expected such ending especially I never expected to make another huge lose in the business and paying out of my own pocket again after Bitlucy scammed me (Over $6.2K or something, I can not remember exactly). Anyway, it is what it is. You all expected to get paid a total of 0.05836495 BTC from me by the next 7 to 10 days.

My only hope is, the contact person gives me some positive information. :-(

Royse sir if the contact person of the company sends you BTC only then you should send me the payment. Otherwise I don't want you to send me anything because if they are not sending you BTC then you should not send me anything from your own pocket. You have already done a lot for me by giving me the opportunity to work with you on the campaigns. I'm totally okay without the payment if the company person doesn't send you anything. You are already working very hard to run many good campaigns and if any of the campaigns that you are running turns out to be a Rug/pull or anything else then that's not your fault. I hope that soon other good campaigns will choose you to be their manager, and I wish best for you.

Looking forward to work with all of you again in another campaign whenever we will have a chance. Have a good night.

Cheers,

It will be my pleasure to work with you in other campaigns. Thanks a lot for everything Royse sir! Royse sir please do not take the burden of that company on your shoulders because it isn't your fault and you should not be sad.

[Obari]

I'm so sorry  sir @Royse777 and this is rely disheartening  especially  for the fact that you have to pay for any of this incidence  from your personal pocket and I wish  participants can have an understanding heart and let this slip.
This is a show that this scammers aren't relenting and we all have to be very conscious  while dealing with people.
I'm so sorry once again for everyone who was directly affected and I hope you all keep making positive impacts to the forum.

~OBARI

[rby]

I only can hope that the domain was sized

If the domain was seized, the DNS entries would have been changed. That didn't happen:

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Domain:             bettercallraul.it
Status:             ok
Signed:             no
Created:            2023-02-22 04:40:56
Last Update:        2023-02-28 01:04:33
Expire Date:        2024-02-22

This clearly shows that the domain wasn't seized. It's status is Ok.
It's a pity that no one investigated this before now. This domain name was registered last year and the registration only covered for 1 Yr, which is always a red flag for me.

@Royse777, just be calm. Trust me everything will end fine, even if the company doesn't pay, you won't spend much compared to bitlucy incident. Many of the BetterCallRaul participants and even some of us not in the campaign would be lenient and see how to help. One love

[mvdheuvel1983]

Having to pay out of pocket because of issues like this is every manager's worse nightmare but then it is a necessary evil just to maintain their reputation and keep the users happy. I knew Royse did that during the time with bitlucy and even Hampuz in one of the campaigns he managed some time ago. I hope he doesn't have to go it again. This is not how it should be.

Let's remain positive and hope for the best.

Cheers.

[zasad@]

If we take into account the fact that the service pays the manager 100-200 dollars a week, then there may be users who refuse to receive payment due to force majeure.

[NotATether]

I only can hope that the domain was sized

If the domain was seized, the DNS entries would have been changed. That didn't happen:

Code:

Domain:             bettercallraul.it
Status:             ok
Signed:             no
Created:            2023-02-22 04:40:56
Last Update:        2023-02-28 01:04:33
Expire Date:        2024-02-22

And also, there would be a notification on the Department of Justice website, and news outlets would've been covering it in a frenzy just like Chipmixer.

It leads me to think that the two services are totally unrelated and that BetterCallRaul just did an exit scam copying the template from chipmixer.com

Also, I have noticed evidence of slight photoshopping of the service name text (where it says "chipmixer and bettercallraul").





In exhibit B, we have the notice by Raul with a stronger white font than the one used in Chipmixer. This font does not match up with the rest of the notice. That must mean some clever swindler must have carefully erased the previous text (this is every easy to do if you've seen my Background Eraser service) and then wrote his own text on top of it. Apparently they did not have the same font installed on their computer as the one used in the notice.

You cannot see the difference even in this size. You must download the images and open them at 100% zoom to see the difference. They are both in 720p size.

Meanwhile in Exhibit A we see the BetterCallRaul logo plastered on top of the notice, on the left and the right. The only problem is, the swindlers pasted the logo on top of part of the chipmixer logo. You will never see any law enforcement organization make this simple mistake. OOPS!  


Other suspicious evidence:

- The exact same warrant as Chipmixer was printed on Bettercallraul site, normally a seized website gets a different notice.
- The warrant mentioned on Bettercallraul.it seizure image does not contain any information about bettercallraul, only about Chipmixer.
- The exact same law enforcement stickers printed at the bottom of both sites although theoretically this cannot be possible unless Bettercallraul servers were hosted in the same area as CM's was
- There are no FBI Wanted signs for Raul or any other staff (although I suspect that if this scandal blows up there very well might be). We saw how quickly DBI identified Minh Whatshisname as the CM operator and indicted him.

Once again: I strongly suspect that BetterCallRaul pulled off an exit scam and they just fed ridiculous excuses to Royse and their person-in-contact.

Both websites have been saved to archive.org and archive.ph (aka archive.today) to preserve the evidence.

[jokers10]

I only can hope that the domain was sized

If the domain was seized, the DNS entries would have been changed. That didn't happen:

Code:

Domain:             bettercallraul.it
Status:             ok
Signed:             no
Created:            2023-02-22 04:40:56
Last Update:        2023-02-28 01:04:33
Expire Date:        2024-02-22

And also, there would be a notification on the Department of Justice website, and news outlets would've been covering it in a frenzy just like Chipmixer.

It leads me to think that the two services are totally unrelated and that BetterCallRaul just did an exit scam copying the template from chipmixer.com

Also, I have noticed evidence of slight photoshopping of the service name text (where it says "chipmixer and bettercallraul").





In exhibit B, we have the notice by Raul with a stronger white font than the one used in Chipmixer. This font does not match up with the rest of the notice. That must mean some clever swindler must have carefully erased the previous text (this is every easy to do if you've seen my Background Eraser service) and then wrote his own text on top of it. Apparently they did not have the same font installed on their computer as the one used in the notice.

You cannot see the difference even in this size. You must download the images and open them at 100% zoom to see the difference. They are both in 720p size.

Meanwhile in Exhibit A we see the BetterCallRaul logo plastered on top of the notice, on the left and the right. The only problem is, the swindlers pasted the logo on top of part of the chipmixer logo. You will never see any law enforcement organization make this simple mistake. OOPS!  


Other suspicious evidence:

- The exact same warrant as Chipmixer was printed on Bettercallraul site, normally a seized website gets a different notice.
- The warrant mentioned on Bettercallraul.it seizure image does not contain any information about bettercallraul, only about Chipmixer.
- The exact same law enforcement stickers printed at the bottom of both sites although theoretically this cannot be possible unless Bettercallraul servers were hosted in the same area as CM's was
- There are no FBI Wanted signs for Raul or any other staff (although I suspect that if this scandal blows up there very well might be). We saw how quickly DBI identified Minh Whatshisname as the CM operator and indicted him.

Once again: I strongly suspect that BetterCallRaul pulled off an exit scam and they just fed ridiculous excuses to Royse and their person-in-contact.

Both websites have been saved to archive.org and archive.ph (aka archive.today) to preserve the evidence.

I will add for making a reference link that metadata from the stub image shows that the file was modified to add BetterCallRaul additional logo and text. It took 30 minutes and was done on 18th of May. So it was not made spontaneously.

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[Woodie]

If we take into account the fact that the service pays the manager 100-200 dollars a week, then there may be users who refuse to receive payment due to force majeure.

Agreed!
I guess this Is something all campaign manager's need to put into their terms of service not to be obligated to foot the service charge to their campaign participants, unless the error Is on their side...  like storing funds on an exchange which gets hacked or forgetting their key to wallet..whatever it maybe.
Photoshop,  domain still active... whatever is happening with BetterCallRaul hope they didn't wait to build their reputation with the community,  then waited for any big mix that came through to recoup all funds invested plus interest  then pull the plug on the crypto community  but the benefit of doubt will be given here till everything is stitched together or official word from Royse777 is received.

[Poker Player]

If we take into account the fact that the service pays the manager 100-200 dollars a week, then there may be users who refuse to receive payment due to force majeure.

Agreed!
I guess this Is something all campaign manager's need to put into their terms of service not to be obligated to foot the service charge to their campaign participants, unless the error Is on their side...  like storing funds on an exchange which gets hacked or forgetting their key to wallet..whatever it maybe.

So, do you two think that in the future, to run a campaign without having received the funds from the company is a case of force majeure? I don't think so.

In this particular case, I understand. It is a relatively common practice, when a campaign has been running for a while and you have not received the funds for the week, to continue it because you trust that the company will send you the funds.

I think that the manager of this campaign has been unlucky and has been caught in the middle of this situation, and I also understand the people who out of solidarity say that they don't need to be paid.

But in the future, if the campaign managers are going to put a disclaimer that removes them from responsibility I don't think they should continue a campaign as long as they have not received the funds.

[Ojima-ojo]

If we take into account the fact that the service pays the manager 100-200 dollars a week, then there may be users who refuse to receive payment due to force majeure.

Agreed!
I guess this Is something all campaign manager's need to put into their terms of service not to be obligated to foot the service charge to their campaign participants, unless the error Is on their side...  like storing funds on an exchange which gets hacked or forgetting their key to wallet..whatever it maybe.
Photoshop,  domain still active... whatever is happening with BetterCallRaul hope they didn't wait to build their reputation with the community,  then waited for any big mix that came through to recoup all funds invested plus interest then pull the plug on the crypto community but the benefit of the doubt will be given here till everything is stitched together or official word from Royse777 is received.

I stand with Rose777:

Both of you guys made a very valid point, managers are not obligated to pay for weeks of work if the team pull an exit scam such as this present situation, where a manager can be held responsible when the funds are in his possession and something happens, unlike like in this case Rose announced the wallet refills before time and taking the words of his contacts to run the second week.

Hhampuz is known for one thing and that is timelessness once a team didn't respond to refill the escrow wallet, he will place the campaign on pause, because he has learned from his previous mistakes and other managers should also learn from that.

I believe Rose777 will come out stronger and he already asked for 7-10 to make the payments, now is left for the campaign participants to understand with the manager, whether or not they could forfeit payments or not, regardless is their money they earned it but shit happens and there is need to move on.

[OmegaStarScream]

-snip-

You don't need to pay me if they don't refill the escrow. Don't worry about it.

[CryptSafe]

This situation is very dissappointing that such should happen to manager Royse777. He trusted the team and project but all they could do is to pay back with wickedness.

From the investigation conducted, it seems the mixer pulled the tricks themselves making us to see that the government are involved in it but in the real sense they lied wanting to cover up their deeds. This is beyond possibility infact there is nothing like possibility in this act. They schemed the whole process to divert attention to the government but they forget that there is always a way to find out the truth of what happened.

It is very painful to be having such experience for the second time making Royse777 to pay again from his pocket which is not right.

 I'll suggest that project team should always sign up an mou to managers to making such that campaign managers have direct access to them and should be in constant communication and updating the managers with information before hand as to know the development and their status about the campaign and signature payment so that if there by any chance that there would be an issue, the manager could be able to detect it enough to pause the campaign immediately to forestall any occurrences in the nearest future.

[Woodie]

In this particular case, I understand. It is a relatively common practice, when a campaign has been running for a while and you have not received the funds for the week, to continue it because you trust that the company will send you the funds.

Campaigns that have been running for a while usually  get some trust and benefit  of the doubt that they will come through....
 
And having been part of the Royse campaigns,  I have noticed his experience does come into play mostly...if he believes  the project will replenish the wallet without official word from the other side.. "mostly" he pays campaign participants out of his pocket to avoid any panic or distrust of project but if this goes on for one too many times campaign usually is paused until further notice to avoid hurting the companies  reputation & his to some extent...

I think that the manager of this campaign has been unlucky and has been caught in the middle of this situation, and I also understand the people who out of solidarity say that they don't need to be paid.

But in the future, if the campaign managers are going to put a disclaimer that removes them from responsibility I don't think they should continue a campaign as long as they have not received the funds.

Unlucky agreed.

Am pretty sure most of these projects aren't fully invested to always keep an eye on whats happening here on the forum as they put their trust in the Campaign Manager to allow them to work on other pressing  things of their project, besides when sig campaigns are launched usually funds are escrowed to avoid uncertainty but when a project is running  for over a month I think they deserve the breathing room, some trust to deliver on their liabilities  after participants do their part and not to be pressured to keep a conducive environment among project, sig participants and CM.

I guess the liability  issue is a special case.

[petulino]

I just created thread in Scam Accusation for Bettercallraut discussion. I think it will be much better to keep aware other community members for their scam behavior and new manager should follow safety step for running any compaign.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453875.new#new