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March 29, 2023, 09:06:34 PM
Last edit: March 29, 2023, 09:17:11 PM by aoluain
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Today, some leaders have taken politics to such a level that now when people hear the name of politics, they say corruption and anarchy. Political pressure comes from many quarters if one conducts his activities like an ideal politician after taking oath. As a result, even if he wanted to manage politics well, he failed. If you want to change such a system of politics, you have to do it from a very big position, then it is never possible to change the political system from the grassroots level. But since you have made such a wish, I congratulate you. Hope you will be a successful politician in future. But never compromise with injustice always follow the path of justice and take politics to such a level that people see you as an idol.

This is similar to my view in terms of a democratic system of politics. Politics is much
much bigger than one leader, or political party, there is a massive political machine
at various levels of importance.

That machine is made up of the leader, his political cabinet, the advisors who
are specialists in various fields, the political party and national members, the civil
servants at various levels right down to local politics and then the opposing politicians.

To come in as a new leader with a new team and try move that machine is very challenging
and while trying to keep "everyone" happy means there has to be compromises and
deals made in order to get certain hurdles crossed and  jobs and targets done.
I think it's impossible to get everything done without doing "deals" but that shouldnt mean
becoming corrupt to only think of whats in it for yourself.

I’m going to go ahead and disagree with everyone and say that it is not possible to be a clean politician. This is because the machine behind you will not have the funding and support of industries that would prefer to have a bought and paid for politician over somebody who might share similar beliefs. I’ve seen corruption even in my local Home Owners Association. I can’t even begin to comprehend the corruption involved with elected government officials.

And then of course as OgNasty says there are the exterior pressures from lobby groups
and industry leaders who generally wont see anything wrong in trying to corrupt
a political leader in order to progress their own situation....generally speaking.

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March 29, 2023, 11:21:18 PM
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In few years to come I should be recognised in my country as one of the youngest ambitious and creating president my country ever have. I want to prove to people that life is a function of mindset and everybody have good mindset but only few use it.
Good to have such pure political ambitions.

I hope you will continue this if you have the opportunity to reach the dream of being the youngest ambitious president in your country, because as I know most politicians are clean at first and then that changes later either because of greed for more power and money or as a result of strong pressures by corrupt politicians .

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March 30, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
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In few years to come I should be recognised in my country as one of the youngest ambitious and creating president my country ever have.
Is this going to be an easy thing to do? If so, how you're going to do it in my country even in the lowest position in the government, it's hard to be recognized unless you've started very popularly already. But I guess you've got some plan in doing it for you to be recognized with that title.

I want to prove to people that life is a function of mindset and everybody have good mindset but only few use it.
Well, this could be a personal reason but based on what I can see from it. It's far from being a politician that's different from the others. But I guess you'll just start from there if ever you reach that point of your life that you'd be elected by your constituents.

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March 30, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
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Dreaming of a clean politician is like dreaming of a world free of wars and conflicts. You will feel that this is possible, but neither reality nor history has recorded that this happened even once.
It would have been better to talk about the model of a successful politician. As there is no clear meaning for the concepts of "clean politician" and "dirty politician". But in general, there is a collective concept around a clean concept, meaning a person who is not related to suspicions of corruption of any kind. But this in itself requires effort to resist pressures, temptations and even threats because in the field of politics there are no limits to anything.
If you ever see a politician talking about integrity and morals, make sure that he is a failed politician or that he is a whore claiming honor.

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March 30, 2023, 08:21:10 PM
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Is it possible to become a clean politician? I really love politics and sometimes I feel I can do better than our leaders on sits. I don't how its sounds to you but do you think if I have the opportunity I will be worster than my current leaders who concerns is to consume the wealth and resource of the country. I can be a better politician and I must make a mark. I pray you support me.

In few years to come I should be recognised in my country as one of the youngest ambitious and creating president my country ever have. I want to prove to people that life is a function of mindset and everybody have good mindset but only few use it.
I still have to laugh over this anytime I look at this message. What does op mean by clean politician? Like he is not going to put his hands in blood shading or corruption? This is the way of the politicians and if you say that you are not going to follow their way of life fighting for the seat with all separation then you must be ready to keep contesting for election Everytime until you win. Most politicians want the seat of power as fast as possible that is why they they will not mind commiting blood shed just to get what they want as quick as possible.

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March 31, 2023, 03:21:28 AM
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I do not have much experience with how politics work to where as though I can say yes or no, in my opinion, YES. But, I personally believe there are dark forces that exist that attempt to create division in many places. So with that being said, you would have to not only be clean, but strong, because a lot of evil politicians are doing the work of the dark forces, which DO NOT want unity.
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March 31, 2023, 08:29:04 AM
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I’m going to go ahead and disagree with everyone and say that it is not possible to be a clean politician. This is because the machine behind you will not have the funding and support of industries that would prefer to have a bought and paid-for politician over somebody who might share similar beliefs. I’ve seen corruption even in my local Home Owners Association. I can’t even begin to comprehend the corruption involved with elected government officials.
You are right, corruption has eaten deep into our political system and the foundation and structure of most countries' political system is designed in such that even if the politician wants to be corrupt free the system will force them to, this is no different from the individual level where corruption is glaring in all the dealings.

-So even if the ops said he wants to be a good politician the possibility of him becoming worst than the current leader is still there, but then if he has a good structural foundation the level of the corruption may become small and unnoticeable this depends on the country the ops is from.
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March 31, 2023, 03:05:44 PM
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You have just spoken like the conventional politicians we have in our various countries, so well endowed with sweet words and promises made yet undone after being given the sit of power. Every politicians by there words had a good mindset at first when they haven't tasted power not until they did that was when their real mindset whisked out be it good or bad. Like the political scientist will say, "power corrupt but absolute power corrupts absolutely". So let wait until in the future you hold on to power then we can really say by your performance that you do have a good mindset in politics as a politician. But for now am in doubt.
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March 31, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
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You have just spoken like the conventional politicians we have in our various countries, so well endowed with sweet words and promises made yet undone after being given the sit of power. Every politicians by there words had a good mindset at first when they haven't tasted power not until they did that was when their real mindset whisked out be it good or bad. Like the political scientist will say, "power corrupt but absolute power corrupts absolutely". So let wait until in the future you hold on to power then we can really say by your performance that you do have a good mindset in politics as a politician. But for now, am in doubt.
No good leader will announce his own good will, only the citizens can attest to whether you are good or not and with the way you lead that is what makes a good leader, because ops just made a statement base on his feelings about himself, not the way other perceive him if he ever becomes a political leader.

-One fact with the need to settle with is, politics is a dirty game so at that 90% of its players must play dirty since the system is designed to make them so, the high rate of corruption in our various countries has proven that no politician is free of corruption so ops should wait he gets that chance to lead to see how his ability could fight against his corruption system.
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April 01, 2023, 06:17:40 AM
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There are clean politicians but for every country, there will be citizens that might consider the good one as the bad ones and vice versa.

You really need to make yourself as a good example. Just because politics is dirty, it doesn't mean that everyone there is dirty. As said, there are a few of those that have the heart for public service.

Saying that you'll become a president someday is ambitious but good luck!
Their are still few politicians in our political system just that most times the bad politicians try to out shine the good politicians,  knowing fully well that if good politicians get into sensitive positions their wont be any benefit for corrupt politicians. It is very difficult to see good politicians at the peek of government , if it has been so easy for good politicians to be at the top I think we won't be having the bad politicians who not competent for work and have nothing to offer.

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Well just make sure you bath regularly.
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Dreaming of a clean politician is like dreaming of a world free of wars and conflicts. You will feel that this is possible, but neither reality nor history has recorded that this happened even once.
It would have been better to talk about the model of a successful politician. As there is no clear meaning for the concepts of "clean politician" and "dirty politician". But in general, there is a collective concept around a clean concept, meaning a person who is not related to suspicions of corruption of any kind. But this in itself requires effort to resist pressures, temptations and even threats because in the field of politics there are no limits to anything.
If you ever see a politician talking about integrity and morals, make sure that he is a failed politician or that he is a whore claiming honour.
Yes, the limitless drive in politics is what has made a brutal context and only the strong win, but from an individual perspective, I think it is better to focus more on the system that works rather than focusing on the character of the politicians because one of the major attributes of most politicians is corruption.

-So even though the politician could be corrupt if there is an effective system the office will still act according to. The Blueprint,  but if you leave anything to the politicians they may never get it right.
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April 02, 2023, 12:43:17 PM
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If you really mean it and believe in yourself. And intend to advance the country, society. Then I will support. But, you must always remember that everything will definitely not be easy. You have to stay firm, don't just want to please yourself. First of all you have to straighten your intentions and have goals so you don't stop halfway. You can be a clean politician, as long as you always act fairly and intend to mean it. Good luck.

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April 02, 2023, 07:00:36 PM
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Politics is not a craft or a handcraft that can be mastered by learning and repetition. It requires skills of a very special kind, the most important of which is not to be a person who believes too much in cleanliness, because circumstances may force you to deal in ways that you do not accept on yourself. In the world of politics, a clean politician will always be a game in the hands of the bad guys, and he may find himself exposed to many dangers.

It is also not possible to deal with the matter from an individual and unilateral side, because practising politics means going out into the public space and defending a reformist or revolutionary vision.
There is nothing like a clean politician because he will run under a system of other people with diverse interests and so long as he remains in that system he is part of the corruption when the political system is run by mafias who designed the structure and system.

-This has made it impossible for the good guys who have the interest of the people without a political structure to gain political power.
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April 03, 2023, 12:12:40 AM
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Dreaming of a clean politician is like dreaming of a world free of wars and conflicts. You will feel that this is possible, but neither reality nor history has recorded that this happened even once.
It would have been better to talk about the model of a successful politician. As there is no clear meaning for the concepts of "clean politician" and "dirty politician". But in general, there is a collective concept around a clean concept, meaning a person who is not related to suspicions of corruption of any kind. But this in itself requires effort to resist pressures, temptations and even threats because in the field of politics there are no limits to anything.
If you ever see a politician talking about integrity and morals, make sure that he is a failed politician or that he is a whore claiming honour.
Yes, the limitless drive in politics is what has made a brutal context and only the strong win, but from an individual perspective, I think it is better to focus more on the system that works rather than focusing on the character of the politicians because one of the major attributes of most politicians is corruption.

-So even though the politician could be corrupt if there is an effective system the office will still act according to. The Blueprint,  but if you leave anything to the politicians they may never get it right.

Politics is not a craft or a handcraft that can be mastered by learning and repetition. It requires skills of a very special kind, the most important of which is not to be a person who believes too much in cleanliness, because circumstances may force you to deal in ways that you do not accept on yourself. In the world of politics, a clean politician will always be a game in the hands of the bad guys, and he may find himself exposed to many dangers.

It is also not possible to deal with the matter from an individual and unilateral side, because practicing politics means going out into the public space and defending a reformist or revolutionary vision.

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April 03, 2023, 02:52:21 AM
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I’m going to go ahead and disagree with everyone and say that it is not possible to be a clean politician. This is because the machine behind you will not have the funding and support of industries that would prefer to have a bought and paid for politician over somebody who might share similar beliefs. I’ve seen corruption even in my local Home Owners Association. I can’t even begin to comprehend the corruption involved with elected government officials.
You are right. The word politics is meant to be a structure devices to promote Courtesy and diplomacy, but now the structure has been changed, especially in most African countries.  It is now filled with filthy hungry men who desires not for the betterment of the majority but only for their selfish selves and families.
This same people has changed democracy to dictatorship. Excersing autocratic power all in the name of Godfatherlism, making it a norm and only partway to politics. This idea of Godfatherism alone, changes the mindset of people who would have loved to standout and serve the interest of others. I wouldn't say clean politicians don't exist, but it depends on the locality one finds himself

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April 03, 2023, 04:10:06 PM
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I’m going to go ahead and disagree with everyone and say that it is not possible to be a clean politician. This is because the machine behind you will not have the funding and support of industries that would prefer to have a bought and paid for politician over somebody who might share similar beliefs. I’ve seen corruption even in my local Home Owners Association. I can’t even begin to comprehend the corruption involved with elected government officials.
You are right. The word politics is meant to be a structure devices to promote Courtesy and diplomacy, but now the structure has been changed, especially in most African countries.  It is now filled with filthy hungry men who desires not for the betterment of the majority but only for their selfish selves and families.
This same people has changed democracy to dictatorship. Excersing autocratic power all in the name of Godfatherlism, making it a norm and only partway to politics. This idea of Godfatherism alone, changes the mindset of people who would have loved to standout and serve the interest of others. I wouldn't say clean politicians don't exist, but it depends on the locality one finds himself

But it is so easy to listen to what people say, rather than to look up the definitions in dictionaries and encyclopedias. We the politicians must stand firm, and not listen to the special interest groups... the lobbying groups. Rather, we need to listen to the people.

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April 03, 2023, 06:24:57 PM
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It's very possible to be a clean or a good politician as you may term it but the problem we have is that after supporting some new politicians who promise to be different, they will end up joining the already existing bad politicians in their bad leadership. Here in my country we have had a few individuals who joined politics and the masses trusted them so much and ensured that they emerge victorious during election, but what we got in return was absolute betrayal because these set of new politicians got spoilt and influenced by the bad politicians.

Nevertheless, if you really wish to serve your people with honesty, you can still achieve it by maintaining sanity, integrity, and human sympathy.
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April 03, 2023, 10:27:49 PM
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Is it possible to become a clean politician? I really love politics and sometimes I feel I can do better than our leaders on sits. I don't how its sounds to you but do you think if I have the opportunity I will be worster than my current leaders who concerns is to consume the wealth and resource of the country. I can be a better politician and I must make a mark. I pray you support me.

In few years to come I should be recognised in my country as one of the youngest ambitious and creating president my country ever have. I want to prove to people that life is a function of mindset and everybody have good mindset but only few use it.
you don't need dkt come and tell us that you want to become a pure political man when you can easily enroll yourself to a political party to get the necessary things that will make you the kind of person that you want to be. Honestly I don't see anything with that been a politician. If it is money or power, we can get that when we make money.

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April 03, 2023, 11:03:17 PM
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If you want to become a politician you must just start from the grassroots to know things that is involved in politics and follow other politician full step before you understand the theory of politics, I know that politics is a game of interest and before you understand the principle of politics the most all have been in contact with someone who is already in politics and they're having a little progress

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