Participating in Mixer Signature Campaign

[RapTarX]

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

As for gambling services, then that's simply because of my religious beliefs.

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

Nevertheless, staff were asked to stop advertising mixing services. We are promoting mixing services. Will it be an issue for bitcointalk forum in general? What about the people advertising the mixer? Would it be better to quit advertising mixer services? I was thinking about this ever since I have seen OmegaStarScream's quoted post. Is it time to think about this?

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[Rikafip]

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

This is purely my speculation, but I think its more about being careful in case government knocks on the door rather than already getting some warning because if there was something like that it would be logical to ban mixer signature campaigns alltogether and not just restrict it to forum staff.

[bullrun2024bro]

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

Thanks for the quote. I didn't know about that.

Interesting development tbh. I already had a feeling when some moderators and staff members changed their signatures a second time within a few days.

I've been asking myself the same thing as well and I am not sure I reached the conclusion yet.

Same here. Hm. 

[cygan]

the whole procedure could also be observed very well with the two new sig. campaigns run by icopress and Hhampuz. both bm's were looking for new participants for a new mixer each and if you looked at the applicants, there were no applications of staffs/mods to be found, which then again supports the quote of OmegaStarScream.

[decodx]

As I see it, mixing services are not inherently illegal. They can be useful for legitimate purposes, such as protecting users' privacy and security, or preventing unwanted surveillance. Banning mixing service ads would be a form of censorship and discrimination against a particular technology. It would also be hypocritical in a way, as the forum allows ads for other controversial or regulated services, such as gambling, ICOs, or even HYIPs. We should respect users' freedom of choice and expression, as long as they comply with the laws. So the question is, are all mixer services inherently illegal?

[Zwei]

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

Of course it's because of law enforcement and the 3 letter agencies[1], theymos is trying to avoid future trouble and I think it was the right call, he also stoped offering forum adverts a while back, maybe it's related? It's better to separate the forum and its staff from endorsing any gray/black services.

Nevertheless, staff were asked to stop advertising mixing services. We are promoting mixing services. Will it be an issue for bitcointalk forum in general? What about the people advertising the mixer? Would it be better to quit advertising mixer services? I was thinking about this ever since I have seen OmegaStarScream's quoted post. Is it time to think about this?

I'm not a lawyer, but as far as I understand the forum itself is protected under section 230[2] that protects "interactive computer services" from any liability as a publisher for what the users post.
As for users advertising mixers or any other service really, they can do whatever they want as long as it's not promoting something illegal (e.g. drugs, etc...)


[1] https://wiki.c2.com/?ThreeLetterAgencies
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230

[Agbe]

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

As for gambling services, then that's simply because of my religious beliefs.

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

Nevertheless, staff were asked to stop advertising mixing services. We are promoting mixing services. Will it be an issue for bitcointalk forum in general? What about the people advertising the mixer? Would it be better to quit advertising mixer services? I was thinking about this ever since I have seen OmegaStarScream's quoted post. Is it time to think about this?

I also support the motion of theymos from the OmegaStarScream quote. Because from what happened it lookef at if they know the secrecy of Chipmixer while they didn't. So to avoid such disgrace again it is better to steer clear from Mixer's campaigns. Instead it is better for the to join trustworthy casinos' campaigns. But also one mixer downfall should not be used to generalize others.

[The Cryptovator]

It's essential to follow the owner's instructions for the forum staff. Currently, the forum is owned by Theymos, who operates it as a non-profit organization. Theymos may want to avoid any legal issues with the forum, but he shouldn't control the signature space of users unless mixers are banned. Users shouldn't be restricted from advertising mixers unless there's a forum ban. However, if legal authorities demand a stop to mixer advertisements or seize the forum due to mixer ads, it would be an unrealistic action. This is because the forum isn't directly linked with money laundering and doesn't promote it.

[PX-Z]

Mixers are not completely illegal unless law enforcers change their view about it, so promoting it is not illegal. Marketers or us wearing signatures, promoting it will not be liable for any damage it may do.
Because if authorities will sue any promoters or the users, it will be a hell out of using lot of resources that's why hunt in its owners to stop the operation will be their best choice.

If theymos were asked to stop anyone in this forum to promote mixers then so be it, we will do, but not until it does, this will continue.

[Saisher]

If theymos were asked to stop anyone in this forum to promote mixers then so be it, we will do, but not until it does, this will continue.

Its the forum owner who has the last say on what to advertise here in his own forum, there's nothing we can do but comply, as long as the authorities have not yet released what liabilities of promoters of Mixers and their views on the legality and illegality of mixers then it's still ok to run a campaign here.
So far after Chipmixer there's no other crackdown by authorities on another mixing, so we are good.

[Husires]

If there was a ban, @theymos could have kindly asked the campaign managers to stop advertising for any mixing service.
The only one who will give you answers is @theymos, but as long as the service is legal, I do not see any objection to continuing to advertise.

The weird thing is why now it's not the first mixing service to be sized and has signature campaign.

Bitblender closed his services (Bitcointalk Topic: Bitblender shutting down?) after some of his addresses were placed on the US sanctions list after it was revealed that the North Korean hacker group Lazarus used the service to launder the proceeds of cybercrime.
you can read it here https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/05/06/us-treasury-department-sanctions-crypto-mixing-service/

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[Darker45]

Better safe than sorry, I guess. The administrator might just be avoiding possible repercussions to the forum when staff themselves are promoting mixing services. If worst comes to worst, this forum might be dragged into the controversy, and god knows what will be the fate of this forum if such event happens.

But I guess the forum could easily get away with certain responsibilities if these controversial services are only promoted by ordinary members rather than the forum's staff themselves.

[Cuenta Alternativa]

I also support the motion of theymos from the OmegaStarScream quote. Because from what happened it lookef at if they know the secrecy of Chipmixer while they didn't. So to avoid such disgrace again it is better to steer clear from Mixer's campaigns. Instead it is better for the to join trustworthy casinos' campaigns. But also one mixer downfall should not be used to generalize others.

Don't you see a contradiction here? You just joined a mixer signature campaign.

[Maus0728]

Currently, I am willing to accept any decision made by the forum administration regarding the restriction of signature campaigns for Bitcoin mixers, even if this is my first time being accepted into the highest-paying mixer signature campaign as of this writing.

The only thing that anyone who is currently advertising mixers can do is to ensure that they are contributing to the betterment of the forum, even though mixing services are a controversial topic that could be perceived as either good or bad.

Time will tell what will happen in the next few weeks or so..

[Renampun]

I also support the motion of theymos from the OmegaStarScream quote. Because from what happened it lookef at if they know the secrecy of Chipmixer while they didn't. So to avoid such disgrace again it is better to steer clear from Mixer's campaigns. Instead it is better for the to join trustworthy casinos' campaigns. But also one mixer downfall should not be used to generalize others.

Don't you see a contradiction here? You just joined a mixer signature campaign.

even though he's in a mixer signature campaign but it doesn't matter what opinion he thinks.

I don't fully support the campaign from the mixer in this forum being stopped because the mixer has many uses rather than the damage it causes, especially to protect privacy, so this discourse will only cause eternal debate.

[LoyceV]

Currently, I am willing to accept any decision made by the forum administration regarding the restriction of signature campaigns for Bitcoin mixers

It's not as if you have a choice, when Admin decides something

[coin-investor]

I also support the motion of theymos from the OmegaStarScream quote. Because from what happened it lookef at if they know the secrecy of Chipmixer while they didn't. So to avoid such disgrace again it is better to steer clear from Mixer's campaigns. Instead it is better for the to join trustworthy casinos' campaigns. But also one mixer downfall should not be used to generalize others.

Don't you see a contradiction here? You just joined a mixer signature campaign.

I think he is talking about staff members and not members of this forum, Theymos forbid his staff from participating in a signature campaign that is mixing-related, Agbe is not recommending members not to join a mixing signature campaign, because right now there's no news that mixer signature participants have liability, but of course, I want Agbe to defend himself but I'm sure he will also share my opinion that it's only for Staff members, it's just a misinterpretation on your part.

[Taskford]

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

As for gambling services, then that's simply because of my religious beliefs.

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

Nevertheless, staff were asked to stop advertising mixing services. We are promoting mixing services. Will it be an issue for bitcointalk forum in general? What about the people advertising the mixer? Would it be better to quit advertising mixer services? I was thinking about this ever since I have seen OmegaStarScream's quoted post. Is it time to think about this?

Good decision to take since its like avoiding the possible conflict of the law on certain countries especially if law enforcement will seek for those platform who help this mixers to advertise their services. For now its not an issue for private individual to advertise on this forum since there's no strong advisory from government against it and no signal came to them that they are discouraging all of the user to participate on any campaign related to mixing services.

[savetheFORUM]

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

As for gambling services, then that's simply because of my religious beliefs.

theymos asked this for obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is whether any law enforcement was there behind the decision.

Nevertheless, staff were asked to stop advertising mixing services. We are promoting mixing services. Will it be an issue for bitcointalk forum in general? What about the people advertising the mixer? Would it be better to quit advertising mixer services? I was thinking about this ever since I have seen OmegaStarScream's quoted post. Is it time to think about this?

Though I'm not completely sure, I think if law enforcement was behind the decision, it wouldn't only be about the staff or mods not advertising mixer services, but there would have been a forum-wide ban on advertising mixing services and already running campaigns would have been force-closed by the staff and moderation team.

It must only be a precaution for the storm that might hit the forum sooner or later for not complying with the laws or going against them. Hopefully, there won't be issues like that but if there are, I don't think anyone can do anything.

[aioc]

Though I'm not completely sure, I think if law enforcement was behind the decision, it wouldn't only be about the staff or mods not advertising mixer services, but there would have been a forum-wide ban on advertising mixing services and already running campaigns would have been force-closed by the staff and moderation team.

It must only be a precaution for the storm that might hit the forum sooner or later for not complying with the laws or going against them. Hopefully, there won't be issues like that but if there are, I don't think anyone can do anything.

There's no news or decision that comes out about mixing marketing and the admin decision to stop staff from advertising mixing is a way to protect the forum administration from liability but I'm sure they are following the news about these mixing services, so we will know in a couple of months before there is a ruling about mixing marketing on forums and other advertising platforms.
Bitcointalk has established itself as the number one community of the Bitcoin industry, the authorities will not flag it without giving a warning first and we can't do anything about the admin decision.