Cygan abuses DT - Proof!

[Johny Depp]

btw i don't even know now which users i should remove from my trust list and which could stay in (i don't see any difference)

Don't include people in your trust list because they have dealt with you and you can trust them with money. This deserves a feedback.
When someone leaves accurate feedback in your perspective, only include them in your trust list. If they leave wrong feedback, exclude them from trust list.
For reference, LoyceV guide is the best- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0

Once again-
1. You have trade with someone? Leave feedback.
2. You trust someone's judgement based on the feedback they sent- Include them in your trust list.

As per that logic, I should have been in many people's trust list by now. But, fortunately or unfortunately, I am not.

Tell me why?

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[holydarkness]

I still find it suss users woke up specifically to give cygan positive trust feedback, were gifted DT2 status and have then gone back to sleep.

(Plus cygan said he's requested the positive trust feedback - if I'm reading their post correctly)

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You read the post correctly, you just unfortunately understand the situation wrongly.

Cygan was referring to "positive feedback" [please take note that we should start treating the terms "feedback" and "trust" as two different system and not interchangeable], as in they made a successful deal and he asked for a feedback for other customer's future reference. If he did any mistake, as been stated numerous times on this thread, is that he didn't understand how the new trust system work. He added the people he successfully dealing with into his trust list instead of simply leaving positive feedback, unaware of it's recursive effect.


I'm inviting MrCryptHodl to this thread, as this thread has been so insightful for Cygan, I hoped MrCryptHodl is also on the same simple clueless shoes with Cygan on the trust list system, generating bunch of DT2, and will find this thread useful.

Edit: oh?! Just realized today that he's been err... demoted from DT1. Nonetheless, hopefully this thread still could help him better understand the feedback and trust system.

[JeromeTash]

As per that logic, I should have been in many people's trust list by now. But, fortunately or unfortunately, I am not.

Tell me why?

Account registered on April 20, 2014 with 211 posts and activity of 211, no single custom trust list to your profile. What do you expect?

Hell, I got to know that you existed in this forum just today 

[Little Mouse]

As per that logic, I should have been in many people's trust list by now. But, fortunately or unfortunately, I am not.

Tell me why?

You haven't sent a lot of feedbacks and also you haven't been noticed by a lot of people. I can't remember if I have seen this username before this time. Also, it doesn't guarantee that you will be included when you sent a lot of feedback. Your sent feedback accuracy should be good and helpful for others when they trade. It's all about actively participating in the trust system and also in the forum discussion (to get noticed by others).

[digaran]

In business you can't say I'm trustworthy.
In DT, adding anyone who has left a positive trust for you to your trust list is equal of saying "I'm trustworthy". That's for others to decide whether you are or not.

[LoyceV]

i understand the trust system already so slowly and your hints/posts/links have contributed to it now quite a bit 🙏
please give me some time now so that i can revise my trust list calmly and carefully

I see you've included LTU_btc on your Trust list. That doesn't make sense either: he never left any feedback and hasn't included anyone in his Trust list. There's literally no way of knowing whether or not he'll use the Trust system correctly, so he shouldn't be on DT2.
Note that I'm not saying he'll abuse it, it just doesn't make sense to include him at this point.

[cygan]

i understand the trust system already so slowly and your hints/posts/links have contributed to it now quite a bit 🙏
please give me some time now so that i can revise my trust list calmly and carefully

I see you've included LTU_btc on your Trust list. That doesn't make sense either: he never left any feedback and hasn't included anyone in his Trust list. There's literally no way of knowing whether or not he'll use the Trust system correctly, so he shouldn't be on DT2.
Note that I'm not saying he'll abuse it, it just doesn't make sense to include him at this point.

ooops - fixed

[Timelord2067]

A full third of your DT trust list that you trust have less than 100 merits with quite a few in single digit not to mention a couple of UID's with zero merits.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Users can add whomever they want to their trust lists although they should be a little more strict if they're DT.

I know DT ain't what it used to be, but any DT member should still be way, way more prudent about who they add to their trust list and who they give positive trust to.  It's always been an expectation of DT members to demonstrate that kind of prudence, lest we end up with a bunch of unknowns on DT or with green trust that they could possibly scam somebody with.

Just my 2 cents, but this was some seriously bad judgement.

Edit: LOL, guess I got up too late and forgot what the date is.  Happy Fool's day!

[LoyceV]

I see you've included LTU_btc on your Trust list.

ooops - fixed

Did you by any chance mean to add LFC_Bitcoin (Trust list here)? That would make more sense, and those names look a like (a bit).

[LTU_btc]

i understand the trust system already so slowly and your hints/posts/links have contributed to it now quite a bit 🙏
please give me some time now so that i can revise my trust list calmly and carefully

I see you've included LTU_btc on your Trust list. That doesn't make sense either: he never left any feedback and hasn't included anyone in his Trust list. There's literally no way of knowing whether or not he'll use the Trust system correctly, so he shouldn't be on DT2.
Note that I'm not saying he'll abuse it, it just doesn't make sense to include him at this point.

I see my name mentioned here, so, I'll add my input. I interacted with cygan multiple times and I trust him. For example, I participate in his organised Bundesliga prediction pool where he also acts as escrow. Also, he organised contest where I won Ledger wallet and he delivered it to me:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406852.msg61660355#msg61660355
Fact that I haven't left trust feedbacks to anyone, main reason is my laziness, not because that I don't know how I use it correctly. Cygan and few other guys deserved it for what they have done. But yeah, I agree that probably  he didn't had to add me to his trust list - I haven't done anything significant for it.
Why my trust list is empty? There is people here that I trust and don't trust, but it's personal thing and I keep it for myself. I just don't want to get involved into trust system and all drama around it

[examplens]

Fact that I haven't left trust feedbacks to anyone, main reason is my laziness, not because that I don't know how I use it correctly. Cygan and few other guys deserved it for what they have done. But yeah, I agree that probably  he didn't had to add me to his trust list - I haven't done anything significant for it.
Why my trust list is empty? There is people here that I trust and don't trust, but it's personal thing and I keep it for myself. I just don't want to get involved into trust system and all drama around it

everyone has the right to keep his trust list as he thinks is best for him, I assume that you understood that no one here blames you for that. The discussion in which you were mentioned refers to the fact that cygan added you to his trust list, although you yourself want to stay out of it. when you add to that the fact that your list is empty, as well as your sent feedback page, adding you is completely pointless and has no effect.
this example only confirms that cygan did not have any important criteria when adding members to his trust list. since this is not the only case, it now casts a shadow over all his choices and other lines in his list.

ooops - fixed

since other members take care of this sort of thing (opening this thread is obvious proof), maybe you should review your list by yourself, rather than waiting for other members to do it for you.

[LoyceV]

Why my trust list is empty? There is people here that I trust and don't trust, but it's personal thing and I keep it for myself. I just don't want to get involved into trust system and all drama around it

That's too bad: the Trust system needs more users who don't want the drama. My advice: leave feedback to users who deserve it, and include users who's judgement you trust in your Trust list. The more people do that, the less centralized the Trust system becomes.

[John Abraham]

Why my trust list is empty? There is people here that I trust and don't trust, but it's personal thing and I keep it for myself. I just don't want to get involved into trust system and all drama around it

That's too bad: the Trust system needs more users who don't want the drama. My advice: leave feedback to users who deserve it, and include users who's judgement you trust in your Trust list. The more people do that, the less centralized the Trust system becomes.

I understand how it works. I have seen your guide a couple of times so far. I am not updating my trust list for the same reason LTU_btc said. Humans make mistakes, and we are not robots (I know people consider you an AI). Imagine I did something I wanted, people did not like it, and people created a thread about me. People will interfere with whether my judgment is proper or not. People use their DT Power for their benefit. Some people even whoring for trust inclusion and hunting bounty cheaters.

I have nothing against hunting bounty cheaters. But, Imagine I am doing such a thing to get a trust inclusion from the DT network. Imagine I added someone to my Trust list, and they did something stupid. After that, Someone will create a thread and mention us, and they want me to explain why I added them to my trust list. I see some prominent forum members have cleared their trust list. So, I let my trust list be empty and did not bother to make any changes as I wanted to see default feedback.

[FatFork]

I have nothing against hunting bounty cheaters. But, Imagine I am doing such a thing to get a trust inclusion from the DT network.

I don't see a problem if someone who hunts cheaters on the forum is included in the DT, as long as they use their feedback correctly. This is why the trust system was created - to fight against scammers and cheaters. Isn't it?.

Imagine I added someone to my Trust list, and they did something stupid. After that, Someone will create a thread and mention us, and they want me to explain why I added them to my trust list.

If you add someone to your trust list who doesn't use the feedback correctly and other forum members point it out, you can simply review their arguments and make any necessary corrections to your trust list (as cygan did in this case). So, where exactly is the problem?

I see some prominent forum members have cleared their trust list. So, I let my trust list be empty and did not bother to make any changes as I wanted to see default feedback.

OK, let me get this straight. You rely on feedback from DT, but if no one on the forum is willing to contribute to creating a trust lists, how do you expect DT to function? Just imagine what would happen if all reputable and honest members deleted their trust lists.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

There's no big deal in adding any user to ones trust list, but it must not be in a shady way whereby it look suspicious to others because that will automatically turn to an abuse on the trust system, if anyone thinks am worth being on his trust list they he can go ahead and i giving a tangible reference to back his claim, this is very simple but when this has been done repeatedly and over time, it makes it difficult not to believe it was an arranged work.

[cygan]

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since other members take care of this sort of thing (opening this thread is obvious proof), maybe you should review your list by yourself, rather than waiting for other members to do it for you.

you really don't need to worry about that. i will of course revise my trust list to the best of my knowledge and belief.
and also as other users here have already mentioned, i will not do this stress to myself in the future and my trust list will be forgotten at some point in order to not have to explain myself in the future for my activities - i don't have the time for that here in the forum.

btw airfinex you made it and now you can close this thread.

[LTU_btc]

Why my trust list is empty? There is people here that I trust and don't trust, but it's personal thing and I keep it for myself. I just don't want to get involved into trust system and all drama around it

That's too bad: the Trust system needs more users who don't want the drama. My advice: leave feedback to users who deserve it, and include users who's judgement you trust in your Trust list. The more people do that, the less centralized the Trust system becomes.

I'm OK with leaving feedbacks and I should do it when it's needed, even my feedback as non DT member don't have that much weight. But I have no intentions to become DT2 or DT1 member. I really don't want that someone would analyze my trust list, my judgement and etc. Less centralised trust system is good thing, but no, I'll stay away from these things as I used to do during all my time here.

everyone has the right to keep his trust list as he thinks is best for him, I assume that you understood that no one here blames you for that. The discussion in which you were mentioned refers to the fact that cygan added you to his trust list, although you yourself want to stay out of it. when you add to that the fact that your list is empty, as well as your sent feedback page, adding you is completely pointless and has no effect.
this example only confirms that cygan did not have any important criteria when adding members to his trust list. since this is not the only case, it now casts a shadow over all his choices and other lines in his list.

As I said, I understand that he didn't had important enough reasons to include me to his Trust list. But I think that he already learned that he made mistake.

[LoyceV]

I am not updating my trust list for the same reason LTU_btc said. Humans make mistakes, and we are not robots (I know people consider you an AI). Imagine I did something I wanted, people did not like it, and people created a thread about me. People will interfere with whether my judgment is proper or not.

If your judgement is wrong, you should get excluded so you won't reach DT. At least that's how the system is supposed to work. I wouldn't change what I'm doing out of fear that someone might create a topic about it. Let them. It's part of the freedoms Bitcointalk offers. And who knows, they may even have a point.

[Helena Yu]

I'm OK with leaving feedbacks and I should do it when it's needed, even my feedback as non DT member don't have that much weight. But I have no intentions to become DT2 or DT1 member. I really don't want that someone would analyze my trust list, my judgement and etc. Less centralised trust system is good thing, but no, I'll stay away from these things as I used to do during all my time here.

Even you're not included any user in your trust list, but if there's a DT1 user include you in his trust list, you will become DT2 member.

Based on my observation, don't need to worry if someone analyze your trust list, your judgement etc, as long as you have a reason, you can explain it. If you want to avoid drama, don't distrust any user many users get offended when someone distrust them. Distrust is important, but it will cause a drama.

I'm not a DT member, but that's what I understand so far.