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April 04, 2023, 10:07:30 AM
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I don't see a problem if someone who hunts cheaters on the forum is included in the DT, as long as they use their feedback correctly. This is why the trust system was created - to fight against scammers and cheaters. Isn't it?.
As I said, I don't have anything against cheater hunters. I don't want to mention names here, but whoring to get DT inclusion creates a lot of drama in the reputation board. They may like it. But I don't want to get involved in dramas.

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If you add someone to your trust list who doesn't use the feedback correctly and other forum members point it out, you can simply review their arguments and make any necessary corrections to your trust list (as cygan did in this case). So, where exactly is the problem?
There is no problem if someone finds it and lets me know. The problem is they don't care about it. They care about creating new topics and catching some merits, which makes them aggressive towards people.

I see some prominent forum members have cleared their trust list. So, I let my trust list be empty and did not bother to make any changes as I wanted to see default feedback.

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OK, let me get this straight. You rely on feedback from DT, but if no one on the forum is willing to contribute to creating trust lists, how do you expect DT to function? Just imagine what would happen if all reputable and honest members deleted their trust lists.

You got my point. I understand the forum needs more people to use this function to make it work more appropriately. But I don't like how people question you. The forum people talk very aggressively (not everyone).

I am not updating my trust list for the same reason LTU_btc said. Humans make mistakes, and we are not robots (I know people consider you an AI). Imagine I did something I wanted, people did not like it, and people created a thread about me. People will interfere with whether my judgment is proper or not.
If your judgement is wrong, you should get excluded so you won't reach DT. At least that's how the system is supposed to work. I wouldn't change what I'm doing out of fear that someone might create a topic about it. Let them. It's part of the freedoms Bitcointalk offers. And who knows, they may even have a point.

As I already said. I don't have a problem if people find I did something wrong. They can exclude me from their list if they want. I wish people knocked others privately and told them they did it wrong. But, Nope. They want some attention and possibly some merits.

Well, I decided to update my Trust list today. But I won't explain to anyone why I added whom and why it makes sense to me. I want to see the most accurate feedback, which I could agree with. I wish I could make my skin Thicker.

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April 04, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
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As I said, I don't have anything against cheater hunters. I don't want to mention names here, but whoring to get DT inclusion creates a lot of drama in the reputation board. They may like it. But I don't want to get involved in dramas.

Not everyone is trying to get DT inclusions here, in fact I imagine most aren't. Many just don't like scammers, or the idea of members getting scammed (in particular newer members). If I had to guess, many of these scam busters were scammed themselves at one time and if so that leaves a mark. Most DT members (I'd like to think) simply have good intentions trying to protect others, they aren't power hungry drama queens.

PS, without realising it, you're getting involved in drama  Cheesy

I understand the forum needs more people to use this function to make it work more appropriately. But I don't like how people question you. The forum people talk very aggressively (not everyone).

Firstly if someone is being aggressive, it's best not to take it personally. It's usually more about them being angry or annoyed than it is about you. It's also not a good look for that user. Strong criticism shouldn't need to be aggressive, it only makes it less constructive. Secondly being questioned is about accountability. If you don't like accountability, you probably shouldn't be on DT, because it would make members un-accountable.

As I already said. I don't have a problem if people find I did something wrong. They can exclude me from their list if they want. I wish people knocked others privately and told them they did it wrong. But, Nope. They want some attention and possibly some merits.

If you're referencing this topic for example, then there is a good reason this was public. It helped cygan understand how better to include members in his trust list, something that if the OP had contacted him privately about I'm not convinced would of had the same effect, based on use of language as well as lack of explanation about trust lists etc that others fortunately provided.

That said, seeing the next topic created by the OP, then I'm not going to argue that they are trying to avoid drama... especially since this topic hasn't been locked yet.

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April 04, 2023, 03:16:08 PM
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I won't explain to anyone why I added whom and why it makes sense to me. I want to see the most accurate feedback
You do realize you've just explained why you added users, right? Cheesy The reason is totally fine in my book Smiley

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April 04, 2023, 03:21:43 PM
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I'm OK with leaving feedbacks and I should do it when it's needed, even my feedback as non DT member don't have that much weight. But I have no intentions to become DT2 or DT1 member. I really don't want that someone would analyze my trust list, my judgement and etc. Less centralised trust system is good thing, but no, I'll stay away from these things as I used to do during all my time here.
While you can simply avoid being elected as DT1 by keeping your Trust list at default so you are not eligible, the more feedbacks you leave higher the chances of others including/excluding you in their list which can result in you ending in DT2 whether you want it or not.

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April 04, 2023, 06:04:49 PM
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PS, without realising it, you're getting involved in drama  Cheesy
Ah, Do you think so? I think you are right. I don't know if anyone already watching me with evil eyes.

Firstly if someone is being aggressive, it's best not to take it personally. It's usually more about them being angry or annoyed than it is about you. It's also not a good look for that user. Strong criticism shouldn't need to be aggressive, it only makes it less constructive. Secondly being questioned is about accountability. If you don't like accountability, you probably shouldn't be on DT, because it would make members un-accountable.
I don't have to take anything personally. Sometimes I feel helpless when I try to put myself in someone's position. When people talk, they seem to have personal issues with the person. Imagine a forum member violated forum rules, and you reported it. Your responsibility should end here. But how will it look if you keep asking moderators to handle this report and keep trying to get their attention over and over even though they most likely already saw the report? If moderators choose to give them another chance, why are you bothering them by asking for a ban? What is your benefit? It looks like the guy is in a good position, and you have to kick him out to take his position. I mean, why? You both can be in a good position.

I heard a story. An office boss gave 20 balloons with 20 pins to his 20 employees. Told them whoever could keep their balloon intact for the next 5 minutes will get a salary increase. Everyone started bursting into other balloons, so they didn't get a salary increase. In the end, No one was able to keep their balloon intact. The boss said, why didn't you guys keep all the balloons intact so everyone could get a salary increase?

I was unfamiliar with this part of this forum where people discuss others.

I won't explain to anyone why I added whom and why it makes sense to me. I want to see the most accurate feedback
You do realize you've just explained why you added users, right? Cheesy The reason is totally fine in my book Smiley

Oh, Yeah. I did it already.

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April 04, 2023, 06:37:45 PM
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