Terrence Crawford vs Errol Spence - July 29

[serjent05]

I've heard several excuses. Even Deontay Wilder is saying that Spence lost because he was dehydrated.

Actually, that dehydration issue is not new. Way back when Spence's camp is dodging to make a negotiation with Crawford, they already said that their guy is not fit anymore to fit at 147 that's why they consider putting him instead to fight at 154. Moving forward, there should be no excuses as both camp deal with the negotiation and we now see the result of this long-waited match that takes several years in the making.

We don't know yet what's next for Crawford;

- keep the titles at 147 (which doesn't make sense to me)
- have a rematch with Spence (which is also not makes sense to me)
- moved up at 154 and try to secure a deal right away on a title match as he is eligible for it

Let's see what will happen next.

Now I know why Spence has that exhausted aura all over his body during the start of the fight.  It seems meeting the weight limit takes a toll on Spence by dehydrating too much.   But I do not believe that Spence will win if ever they go up in Division since I believe Crawford will also destroy him in that weight category.  I also agree that dehydration should not be an issue since they both agree to fight on that weight division.  All I can say is that it is Spence fault on fighting on the weight division where their boxer is not fit anymore.

It would be nice to see this two elites fighting it out on the higher weight class to see if those who assume that Spence will perform different if they fight on 154 is correct.

[AmoreJaz]

I've heard several excuses. Even Deontay Wilder is saying that Spence lost because he was dehydrated.

Actually, that dehydration issue is not new. Way back when Spence's camp is dodging to make a negotiation with Crawford, they already said that their guy is not fit anymore to fit at 147 that's why they consider putting him instead to fight at 154. Moving forward, there should be no excuses as both camp deal with the negotiation and we now see the result of this long-waited match that takes several years in the making.

We don't know yet what's next for Crawford;

- keep the titles at 147 (which doesn't make sense to me)
- have a rematch with Spence (which is also not makes sense to me)
- moved up at 154 and try to secure a deal right away on a title match as he is eligible for it

Let's see what will happen next.

expect excuses will come up but we have seen their fight already. crawford really dominated here. what's next for spence is yet to be seen. but definitely, his camp will choose a sure path for spence. because if he will lose again for his next fight, then, his bankability as a boxer will go down hard.
but going up to light middleweight div means facing jermell charlo who is holding the four belts of this division, and is trained by derrick james, who happens to be spence's coach as well. so seems that re-match would likely happen with crawford, before he will go up to a higher division.

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Is there a rematch clause on their deal?  I do not think that there is a need for a rematch on this fight since Crawford literraly annihilated  Spence Jr.  I was very surprised since he make Spence Jr. looks like an amateur.  I do not know the huge gap in their ability.  Spence Jr. tried to fight back but the good defense of Crawford prevented him instead Spence effort to deal a devastating blow to Crawford backed fire to him since Crawford is way quicker taking advantage of the opening when Spences tries to hit big.

Yes, there is a rematch clause in the contract. But the clause included terms like while the loser may activate it, the winner will be the one to determine the weight. This early, Spence expressed interest for a rematch. But he also earlier mentioned that whatever the result of this match he'll be moving to 154. That's going to be a problem. Lucky for him, Crawford is open for it. He's also been planning to move up. So if the rematch will indeed be activated and Crawford is willing to have it at 154, then there will be a rematch.

It's another story though if the rematch is actually needed and interesting to watch. For me it is not anymore necessary. A rematch is usually interesting when the fight is close and that the winner will have to prove once again that he is indeed the better boxer. In this case, Crawford has nothing to prove. He is clearly of a different level. Spence wasn't able to compete.

Just make it complicated though, if they are going to fight at 154 lbs, then technically there should be no belt on the line? Or if Spence is down with that,  and obviously Crawford too, then they could go and sign the contract.

It's interesting though that Crawford has now a beef with Jermell Charlo, you can see that after he put down Spence he is taunting Charlo (with the red get up), in the crowd. So this is another storyboard for Crawford if he goes to the route of 154 lbs and then fight Charlo who is a close friend of Spence and trains at the same gym.

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1685564113148055552

And just to add, I think Spence is the best American boxer that we have seen, after Floyd and Andre Ward.

Charlo versus Crawford would be a good fight, but it won't be bigger than this once, Spence versus Crawford. To begin with, Charlo isn't undefeated. He doesn't have an amazing resume compared to Spence. He isn't also as powerful as Spence. But he is surely a great opponent against Crawford at 154. Although if this fight happens, I would be expecting Jermell to be a significant underdog and I won't think twice of putting my money on Crawford again.

If only Crawford didn't decide to move up in weight, Spence could actually be the one to challenge Jermell. That would be a closer fight than Jermell fighting against Crawford.

What do you mean Spence as the best American boxer? Do you mean Crawford?

[bbc.reporter]

Also, Bob Arum might presently be looking at the mirror and shouting at himself for letting go of Crawford from Top Rank heheheehe. Arum should have treated Terence more respectfully.

He only have himself to blame because if only he listened much sooner and tried to help Crawford in cementing his legacy, then he could've made another million by now.

I bet he laughed as well during those times where Crawford was flying solo and tried to make a negotiation with Al Haymon and failed, well, look what happened now. Crawford became a successful boxer and became the first boxer to be an undisputed champion in two separate divisions.

Hehe agreed and in the following months he will be talking to Al Haymon again for another fight vs. another boxer being promoted by PBC, Jermell Charlo. I reckon Haymon and Charlo should cancel negotiations with Canelo and begin a new one for a bigger fight vs. Crawford. There will certainly be more money for everyone included in the deal hehehe.



With Terence Crawford the official king of the welterweight division, his trainer Brian McIntyre talks about what could come next for the Nebraska native. McIntyre says he didn’t quite hear what Crawford was saying to Jermell Charlo after dropping Errol Spence during the live fight, but admits their willingness to move up to junior middleweight to face him.

Source https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/7/31/23814258/terence-crawfords-trainer-expresses-interest-in-facing-jermell-charlo-at-154-boxing-news-2023

[Pamadar]

I've heard several excuses. Even Deontay Wilder is saying that Spence lost because he was dehydrated.

Actually, that dehydration issue is not new. Way back when Spence's camp is dodging to make a negotiation with Crawford, they already said that their guy is not fit anymore to fit at 147 that's why they consider putting him instead to fight at 154. Moving forward, there should be no excuses as both camp deal with the negotiation and we now see the result of this long-waited match that takes several years in the making.

We don't know yet what's next for Crawford;

- keep the titles at 147 (which doesn't make sense to me)
- have a rematch with Spence (which is also not makes sense to me)
- moved up at 154 and try to secure a deal right away on a title match as he is eligible for it

Let's see what will happen next.

Now I know why Spence has that exhausted aura all over his body during the start of the fight.  It seems meeting the weight limit takes a toll on Spence by dehydrating too much.   But I do not believe that Spence will win if ever they go up in Division since I believe Crawford will also destroy him in that weight category.  I also agree that dehydration should not be an issue since they both agree to fight on that weight division.  All I can say is that it is Spence fault on fighting on the weight division where their boxer is not fit anymore.

It would be nice to see this two elites fighting it out on the higher weight class to see if those who assume that Spence will perform different if they fight on 154 is correct.

If ever they will bring this rematch into the table, if both camps will agree, maybe it will take place.

Who knows if Spence will perform well and clear that excuses and convert it to a success, though seeing the fight the
winning chance might be slim. The level of fighting greatness from Crawford is way high compared with Spence, it
might be concluded if ever we hear an update with any negotiation about possible rematch.

[Kelvinid]

If ever they will bring this rematch into the table, if both camps will agree, maybe it will take place.

Who knows if Spence will perform well and clear that excuses and convert it to a success, though seeing the fight the
winning chance might be slim. The level of fighting greatness from Crawford is way high compared with Spence, it
might be concluded if ever we hear an update with any negotiation about possible rematch.

Promoters would still make money in the rematch, so if both camps want to make it happen, there should be no problem in terms of profitability.

Although it was very evident how dominant Crawford was in the first fight, the outcome was still very entertaining, so the fans would still watch it.

This could be like a Pacman vs Morales situation, where Pacman lost in the first fight but came back in the next two fights to dominate Morales. So, let's not be too conclusive here; anything could change as Spence could figure out his mistakes and improve himself in the rematch, if it's going to happen.

[inthelongrun]

If ever they will bring this rematch into the table, if both camps will agree, maybe it will take place.

Who knows if Spence will perform well and clear that excuses and convert it to a success, though seeing the fight the
winning chance might be slim. The level of fighting greatness from Crawford is way high compared with Spence, it
might be concluded if ever we hear an update with any negotiation about possible rematch.

Promoters would still make money in the rematch, so if both camps want to make it happen, there should be no problem in terms of profitability.

Although it was very evident how dominant Crawford was in the first fight, the outcome was still very entertaining, so the fans would still watch it.

This could be like a Pacman vs Morales situation, where Pacman lost in the first fight but came back in the next two fights to dominate Morales. So, let's not be too conclusive here; anything could change as Spence could figure out his mistakes and improve himself in the rematch, if it's going to happen.

Definitely, the rematch will happen. Spence wants it and Bud had no problem with the rematch as he understands it due to their agreement. In the post-press conference, Spence mentioned making the rematch at 154 and Bud answered he is good with it. This was anticipated as well hence why I also mentioned it in the past hoping any of the 4 belts to strip Jermell Charlo due to his inactivity or his long overdue mandatories and then let Bud and Spence fight for a vacant belt at 154 in their rematch.

Although I am not buying that Spence was dehydrated last weekend, he will come in stronger and bigger at 154. But it is hard to imagine how Spence can win over Bud. Spence and his coach Jamal James fought a perfect strategy but only to find out that Bud is just too accurate, too heavy-handed, and he cannot get hurt easily from the head down to his body.

[Questat]

If ever they will bring this rematch into the table, if both camps will agree, maybe it will take place.

Who knows if Spence will perform well and clear that excuses and convert it to a success, though seeing the fight the
winning chance might be slim. The level of fighting greatness from Crawford is way high compared with Spence, it
might be concluded if ever we hear an update with any negotiation about possible rematch.

Promoters would still make money in the rematch, so if both camps want to make it happen, there should be no problem in terms of profitability.

Although it was very evident how dominant Crawford was in the first fight, the outcome was still very entertaining, so the fans would still watch it.

This could be like a Pacman vs Morales situation, where Pacman lost in the first fight but came back in the next two fights to dominate Morales. So, let's not be too conclusive here; anything could change as Spence could figure out his mistakes and improve himself in the rematch, if it's going to happen.

He would go for a rematch if he wants to make more money and would enjoy an easy win again. I'm not underestimating Spence, but the cards were already laid on the table. Spence was probably exposed, and there's no way he will even the rivalry. Crawford moving up is the best decision, in my opinion. That way, Crawford will be able to test his limits as he has already become an undisputed champion. Perhaps he can follow what Inoue and Canelo did after they became undisputed champions. Unfortunately, Canelo failed in his attempt, but Inoue had success, so maybe he will have success too.

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

[coin-investor]

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

How about Crawford - Canelo both have a claim to be a crowd drawer and a pound-for-pound king, I don't think Canelo can impose his skill and power against Canelo the way Crawford devastated Spence if they cross their path I hope they do, Canelo will have a beating more than what he gets from his fight against Bivol.

Crawford is already 35 not many years left in his boxing career, so his promoters and handlers should think of fighting fighters in the pound-for-pound list that he can fight in a catch weight.

[Pamadar]

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

How about Crawford - Canelo both have a claim to be a crowd drawer and a pound-for-pound king, I don't think Canelo can impose his skill and power against Canelo the way Crawford devastated Spence if they cross their path I hope they do, Canelo will have a beating more than what he gets from his fight against Bivol.

Crawford is already 35 not many years left in his boxing career, so his promoters and handlers should think of fighting fighters in the pound-for-pound list that he can fight in a catch weight.

That's good for his career, but on the money side I mean from the promoters side, they will seek for money magnet matchup to make sure that they will convert more money while Crawford is still capable of protecting his belts.

Maybe I'm wrong, but we all know that boxing is a business, so wherever the money will flow, the chance
that we will see that direction to take place.

Just let Crawford and his camp to enjoy the win and take that luxurious rest with that huge moneypot
that he's collecting right now.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

How about Crawford - Canelo both have a claim to be a crowd drawer and a pound-for-pound king, I don't think Canelo can impose his skill and power against Canelo the way Crawford devastated Spence if they cross their path I hope they do, Canelo will have a beating more than what he gets from his fight against Bivol.

Crawford is already 35 not many years left in his boxing career, so his promoters and handlers should think of fighting fighters in the pound-for-pound list that he can fight in a catch weight.

That is a 3 weight, 21 pound difference. I doubt Canelo is capable of going down much further than super middleweight. If Crawford moved up and beat Canelo he would undoubtedly be considered among the greatest fighters ever. The difference is just too much for that fight to be possible any time soon. We could still get an idea of what would happen if Crawford fights Charlo and then we can compare their performance against the same fighter.

[Kelvinid]

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

How about Crawford - Canelo both have a claim to be a crowd drawer and a pound-for-pound king, I don't think Canelo can impose his skill and power against Canelo the way Crawford devastated Spence if they cross their path I hope they do, Canelo will have a beating more than what he gets from his fight against Bivol.

Crawford is already 35 not many years left in his boxing career, so his promoters and handlers should think of fighting fighters in the pound-for-pound list that he can fight in a catch weight.

That is a 3 weight, 21 pound difference. I doubt Canelo is capable of going down much further than super middleweight. If Crawford moved up and beat Canelo he would undoubtedly be considered among the greatest fighters ever. The difference is just too much for that fight to be possible any time soon. We could still get an idea of what would happen if Crawford fights Charlo and then we can compare their performance against the same fighter.

Definitely, however, if Charlo were to lose to Canelo, I think the fight between Charlo and Crawford might not happen as Canelo would become the champion, and therefore, if Crawford wants to challenge for the title, he would have to face Canelo at 154 lbs. But, I guess we are speculating too much for now; let's see the outcome of Canelo vs Charlo first, and then we can speculate on whether Canelo vs Crawford will happen.

As for Crawford, he can choose not to fight this year; he can enjoy the remaining part of the year by having a vacation, especially considering that he just made history this year.

[Questat]

Just let Crawford and his camp to enjoy the win and take that luxurious rest with that huge moneypot
that he's collecting right now.

He deserves the recognition he's receiving because what he has achieved is truly historical. Now, we can firmly believe that Crawford is the better fighter compared to Spence. Even if they decide to have a rematch, it's unlikely that the outcome would change unless Spence has something significant to upset the current champion. A potential trilogy would make the rivalry even more entertaining, as trilogies are always fun to watch in the world of boxing.

Now, regarding the possibility of Canelo vs Spence, it's certainly possible, and such a matchup would generate a lot of money for both teams. However, they would need to agree on a weight class that both fighters are comfortable with. I'm not sure which is harder, going down or going up in weight?

[inthelongrun]

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

How about Crawford - Canelo both have a claim to be a crowd drawer and a pound-for-pound king, I don't think Canelo can impose his skill and power against Canelo the way Crawford devastated Spence if they cross their path I hope they do, Canelo will have a beating more than what he gets from his fight against Bivol.

Crawford is already 35 not many years left in his boxing career, so his promoters and handlers should think of fighting fighters in the pound-for-pound list that he can fight in a catch weight.

That is a 3 weight, 21 pound difference. I doubt Canelo is capable of going down much further than super middleweight. If Crawford moved up and beat Canelo he would undoubtedly be considered among the greatest fighters ever. The difference is just too much for that fight to be possible any time soon. We could still get an idea of what would happen if Crawford fights Charlo and then we can compare their performance against the same fighter.

Definitely, however, if Charlo were to lose to Canelo, I think the fight between Charlo and Crawford might not happen as Canelo would become the champion, and therefore, if Crawford wants to challenge for the title, he would have to face Canelo at 154 lbs. But, I guess we are speculating too much for now; let's see the outcome of Canelo vs Charlo first, and then we can speculate on whether Canelo vs Crawford will happen.

As for Crawford, he can choose not to fight this year; he can enjoy the remaining part of the year by having a vacation, especially considering that he just made history this year.

The Canelo-Charlo fight happens at 168 for the Mexican's undisputed title. I guess Canelo is still the biggest name in boxing so there is no point in dropping down in weight, especially at 154 which is zero percent chance of happening. Besides, Canelo was already a former unified champion at 154 and even at 160. So the only titles at stake are Canelo's belts.

I believe Jermell won't return to 154 after the Canelo fight. But in case he will and provided the sanctioning bodies won't strip him because he's got overdue mandatories already, he might not give Crawford a shot at being undisputed at 154. Jermell is a very close friend of Spence and he already mentioned before that he won't give Bud that shot. Jermell believes that Bud has to work his way up to 154's rankings to earn his shot. Money speaks though, so we'll see if Jermell is willing. Besides, Bud being undisputed can also request any of the 4 sanctioning bodies to make him mandatory.

With regards to a possible Canelo-Crawford megafight, I already saw interviews before about Bud saying he is not moving up to 168 or 175. The guy is honest, direct to the point and he is smart knowing his limits. Here's Bud's latest clip I saw last week being asked again about fighting Canelo;
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t8jPI_p4bhE

[btc_angela]

^^ Yes, I do agree that either of the Charlo brothers are not going back to 154 lbs and Spence is going up in weight. So obviously one of them is already at 168 lbs fighting Canelo so the other one is going to 160 lbs. Actually they can switch back from and to between middleweight and super middleweight.

Yeah, Perhaps the biggest that Crawford is 154 lbs, that will be enough for him. He will be a smaller 160 pounder. But I think Spence can go as high as 160 lbs, but with the Charlo brothers occupying that, I doubt that he will go there until they go up in weight as high as 175 lbs but that will be too much for either of the Charlos.

[Ziskinberg]

Yeah, Perhaps the biggest that Crawford is 154 lbs, that will be enough for him.

If he moves up in that division, he might be able to fight Tim Tszyu, whom I believe has no chance of winning against a faster and smarter Crawford. This is considering that Crawford's power and quickness remain intact even if he moves up. There's a lot of speculation now, and I believe Crawford has no business in the current division where he has already been declared the King.

With regards to a possible Canelo-Crawford megafight, I already saw interviews before about Bud saying he is not moving up to 168 or 175. The guy is honest, direct to the point and he is smart knowing his limits. Here's Bud's latest clip I saw last week being asked again about fighting Canelo;
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t8jPI_p4bhE

It's good that he is honest. Although he pushes his limits, being realistic at the same time is necessary. He doesn't want to ruin the success he has worked hard for. Moving up and not being able to handle the punches of a naturally bigger boxer would make him look bad. It's better to take it slowly but surely.

[Russlenat]

Maybe the outcome of Canelo vs Jermell Charlo fight is very important because if Jermell Charlo were to win, I'm sure Crawford would see it as a good opportunity to fight Jermell Charlo by moving up, as a win would make him more popular.

How about Crawford - Canelo both have a claim to be a crowd drawer and a pound-for-pound king, I don't think Canelo can impose his skill and power against Canelo the way Crawford devastated Spence if they cross their path I hope they do, Canelo will have a beating more than what he gets from his fight against Bivol.

Crawford is already 35 not many years left in his boxing career, so his promoters and handlers should think of fighting fighters in the pound-for-pound list that he can fight in a catch weight.

That is a 3 weight, 21 pound difference. I doubt Canelo is capable of going down much further than super middleweight. If Crawford moved up and beat Canelo he would undoubtedly be considered among the greatest fighters ever. The difference is just too much for that fight to be possible any time soon. We could still get an idea of what would happen if Crawford fights Charlo and then we can compare their performance against the same fighter.

A Canelo vs Crawford fight is just too good to be true, don't take it wrong, a fight like that will indeed draw the fans from around the world because these two boxers clashing each other will be a music to the fans ears because since then they wanted a fight like this where it will be an entertaining for sure. A battle of the greatest.

But again, it's too good to be true. Both boxers are just too away from each other. A middleweight fight will be their best choice but I just don't see it coming.

[Vaculin]

^^ Yes, I do agree that either of the Charlo brothers are not going back to 154 lbs and Spence is going up in weight. So obviously one of them is already at 168 lbs fighting Canelo so the other one is going to 160 lbs. Actually they can switch back from and to between middleweight and super middleweight.

Yeah, Perhaps the biggest that Crawford is 154 lbs, that will be enough for him. He will be a smaller 160 pounder. But I think Spence can go as high as 160 lbs, but with the Charlo brothers occupying that, I doubt that he will go there until they go up in weight as high as 175 lbs but that will be too much for either of the Charlos.

Let's see it first if what will be the camp of Spence do in the upcoming weeks because after he fought Crawford and lost, he was given 30 days to think and decide whether he will activate a rematch or not as that was written on their contract before they have agreed to an undisputed fight. Current rumor is that Spence wants a fight at 154 while Crawford seems inclined to it as well but with under one condition, he will be on the A-side as he earned it and by his words, a rematch will not happen if the purse is not 50/50 or 60/40 in his favor.

[Baofeng]

Numbers are coming in, and it's been reported that they produce more than $21 million in gate sales,

More than $21,000,000 in ticket sales were generated from the July 29 Showtime Pay-Per-View event from T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, according to a report from the always reliable Sports Business Journal. The show drew an announced crowd of 19,900, which saw Crawford (40-0, 31KOs) become the first male boxer in the four-belt era to claim undisputed championship status in two weight divisions following his ninth-round stoppage of Spence.

https://www.boxingscene.com/crawford-spence-event-generated-more-21000000-ticket-sales-t-mobile-arena--176617

But it's only second to the Garcia vs Davis fight, which clock in at $22 million. But still a good numbers as Crawford is not really a top draw. But at least he has a good dancing partner in Spence.

So now, we will wait what will be the official PPV numbers and it has somewhat around 500k-800k or even break the 1 million mark.

[Pamadar]

Just let Crawford and his camp to enjoy the win and take that luxurious rest with that huge moneypot
that he's collecting right now.

He deserves the recognition he's receiving because what he has achieved is truly historical. Now, we can firmly believe that Crawford is the better fighter compared to Spence. Even if they decide to have a rematch, it's unlikely that the outcome would change unless Spence has something significant to upset the current champion. A potential trilogy would make the rivalry even more entertaining, as trilogies are always fun to watch in the world of boxing.

Now, regarding the possibility of Canelo vs Spence, it's certainly possible, and such a matchup would generate a lot of money for both teams. However, they would need to agree on a weight class that both fighters are comfortable with. I'm not sure which is harder, going down or going up in weight?

I see that point and it's possible if Spence will upset Crawford on their next possible rematch, and like what you said,
fans will love to follow such kind of rivalries.

Just by the look how Crawford beats Spence, those who still doubting him will wait if Spence will try
to call that rematch, they will wait if what Spence will bring to the table and if ever they will be satisfied
if in case Spence will win and a trilogy will also be activated, more money for both promoters and fighters
possible to take place.