Enough to consider a casino scam?

[Apocollapse]

Sometimes we are too quick to declare a scam casino without going into the details. This is not that always the casino is wrong, sometimes players are wrong too and sometimes there is a misunderstanding when we fail to read the terms and services. We think that certain actions are right but if we read the terms and conditions, there are actually prohibited.

I recommended gathering enough evidence before declaring the scam label on any casino site.

Guess what, when the accused casino is the old and reputable one, people will favor on the casino and accuse the gambler is the scammer. When the accused casino is small and not reputable, people will favor on the gambler and then call the casino is scam, the representative will get negative feedback and flagged.

The @OP didn't mention the casino name, so people are consider it's a small casino, it's different if the @OP mention if the site is Stake

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[maydna]

e didn't know if it could be a scam from the casino or his friend did not meet up to the terms and conditions to receive the bonus. Most time, casinos do have a limit time for a customer to claim there bonus and if they do that late, they bonus must have gone before claiming it.
We need to be aware of the rules that must be taken for us to receive a bonus or else, we might become skeptical of the rules and end up failing to calm at the appropriate time. For me, most bonus should not be in a space of free hours or days before it expires. Enough time suppose to be given.

If they are late claiming their bonus, they shouldn't complain because it's the rules of the casino, and they have to follow it. And the time allotted by the casino should be enough for gamblers to claim their bonuses unless gamblers really don't have the connections to visit the casino and collect their bonuses. That's another story.

But it's best before we take a bonus through a conditional deposit, we must first know the terms so we don't misunderstand. And for that, we can ask the support service about what is needed to get the bonus.

[Weawant]

We didn't know if it could be a scam from the casino or his friend did not meet up to the terms and conditions to receive the bonus. Most time, casinos do have a limit time for a customer to claim there bonus and if they do that late, they bonus must have gone before claiming it.
We need to be aware of the rules that must be taken for us to receive a bonus or else, we might become skeptical of the rules and end up failing to calm at the appropriate time. For me, most bonus should not be in a space of free hours or days before it expires. Enough time suppose to be given.

You don't have a choice because it's a free gift, you're not paying for it therefore the casino giving out the bonus determine when you recieve it and how long it stays. We shouldn't be feeling entitled to things we don't have any reason feeling entitled to.

Also we should make sure we read terms and conditions of a site before using it. If the OP had read the terms of the casino, he would had known that KYC is mandatory procedure one has to complete before they can make withdrawal of large amount.

He should know that casino mightn't request for KYC when you wins small bets but if the wins are big they have to know who they're makings the payment to, incase the authorities comes to question them in the future for money laundering and other crimes.

[slapper]

We didn't know if it could be a scam from the casino or his friend did not meet up to the terms and conditions to receive the bonus. Most time, casinos do have a limit time for a customer to claim there bonus and if they do that late, they bonus must have gone before claiming it.
We need to be aware of the rules that must be taken for us to receive a bonus or else, we might become skeptical of the rules and end up failing to calm at the appropriate time. For me, most bonus should not be in a space of free hours or days before it expires. Enough time suppose to be given.

You don't have a choice because it's a free gift, you're not paying for it therefore the casino giving out the bonus determine when you recieve it and how long it stays. We shouldn't be feeling entitled to things we don't have any reason feeling entitled to.

Also we should make sure we read terms and conditions of a site before using it. If the OP had read the terms of the casino, he would had known that KYC is mandatory procedure one has to complete before they can make withdrawal of large amount.

He should know that casino mightn't request for KYC when you wins small bets but if the wins are big they have to know who they're makings the payment to, incase the authorities comes to question them in the future for money laundering and other crimes.

That's the kind of savvy, 2023-level wisdom we need floating around the digital ether. I'm forever typing out to my followers, "Remember, the platform always comes out on top," but hey, no one wants to be labeled as Negative Nancy in a Twitter thread. Bonuses, they're like those viral TikTok dances, aren't they? One minute they're trending, the next minute - whoosh - vanished like a disappearing tweet. It's all part of the Internet roulette, akin to mastering the perfect poker-face emoji or crafting a compelling tweet.

Reading the fine print? Absolutely. It's the blueprint of the digital battlefield, your secret algorithm. It's like having a pair of Google Glasses in a round of online poker. Imagine all the hours saved from moaning about delayed crypto transfers, which could be put towards enjoying viral content, or maybe placing a few well-calculated wagers.

KYC? Just the site performing its checks and balances, ensuring they don't become an unwitting accomplice to a cybercrime. A bit of a drag, sure, but necessary to maintain an ethical and entertaining online arena.

[Webetcoins]

You don't have a choice because it's a free gift, you're not paying for it therefore the casino giving out the bonus determine when you recieve it and how long it stays. We shouldn't be feeling entitled to things we don't have any reason feeling entitled to.

Also we should make sure we read terms and conditions of a site before using it. If the OP had read the terms of the casino, he would had known that KYC is mandatory procedure one has to complete before they can make withdrawal of large amount.

He should know that casino mightn't request for KYC when you wins small bets but if the wins are big they have to know who they're makings the payment to, incase the authorities comes to question them in the future for money laundering and other crimes.

A deposit bonus is not a free gift to be precise, you get the bonus when you make a deposit using your own money, and that doesn't make it free. A free gift means something that you receive for doing nothing and spending no money from your own pocket which is not the case here, bonuses are a token of appreciation by the casinos to you but it comes with some requirements so that it is not abused.

Reading terms and conditions is obviously an important step before using a casino because if you read terms and conditions, you will understand what you can and what you can't do on the platform and you will also come to know what the casino likes and what it doesn't.

[LUCKMCFLY]

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

Well yes, that is very easy to say, but it is another thing to be inside with the problem, if OP needs to get the money quickly, he needs his case to be Attended to as Urgently as possible, otherwise something has to be done Urgent to be able to attend to you, I have been in those situations and the worst thing they can tell you is to wait and be patient, that kind of makes the person get Annoyed and get angry at the casino, and sometimes the Support agents are the ones who They are to blame for that,that's why the support in a casino the more humans than AI there are to serve, the better.

The KYC verification process usually doesn't take a long time and on average it only takes 24 hours to 48 hours so more than that time we will have a question mark so that the thought that the casino is a scam will appear by itself.
Waiting and being patient is boring, so it's normal for every gambler to feel annoyed when they have to wait for confirmation for several days.
I myself have never had a problem with any casino regarding KYC because a good casino with a good reputation and qualified service will immediately solve any problems that occur quickly.

Yes, there are kyc processes that are quite fast, but it also has a lot to do with how constant the player is, if he is a player who is always playing and has a good record, they can give him a lot of privileges, such as reviewing the kyc fast, I don't know, but I think that this can influence, in the same way a new player can have a little more delay so they have to study their way of playing, how they won and if their stay in the casino is legal, then I think that For these reasons is that the dekyc verification processes become so tedious and take a long time, which nobody likes, because they withhold money for not passing a verification, that's annoying.

KYC process isnt really that mandatory specially if you are dealing with a crypto based casino unless if you are dealing with Fiat then it would be understandable. In speaking about verification process or time then

it would  really be entirely depending but most of them might really be just the same in speaking of time or what.Its true that taking too long on process in speaking about verification is something that we dont really like to experience such condition and this is why we would really want nor like to see other places or platforms which would really be giving out the opposite situation or experience.
We dont want KYc but if things turns out to be this way then there's no way that we could be able to avoid out but rather we do deal with it.

Casino scams are common because there are indeed platforms which is having this kind of intent on the first place on the time that they would really be launching then you would be able to notice and
observe that there's odd is happening.This is why its always been that important that you should really be mindful on what you are dealing with and making out some research.

If in fact it does not make sense to fight against the current, here things have become very clear, in every casino a KYC process must be complied with, unfortunately the crypto casinos have already been caught by government entities so nothing can be done, it is very difficult fight against them, what must be done is to avoid any commitment to leave our data with them, that's all, there is no other choice, there are casinos like freebitco.in that maintain their service and do not allow them to ask for kyc, that seems excellent to me , at least they have known how to take care of it, more casinos like freebitc.in, the ones that sound the most are the decentralized ones.

[benalexis12]

You mean, he won 8000$, then he can't release it because KYC submission is required? right? that's the poicy of the casino, you must do and give them what they want or else you won't really get your winning price on their gambling platform. Then if the casino can be trusted and there is a lot of community built here, why not give kyc if this will be the key to pull out your winning, it's just common sense and there is no need to increase the price.

[steve5946]

What's the reason why you didn't pass the KYC verification? Are you sure you are using original documents?

If you have already used a fake documents, you have yourself to blame. Casinos are always looking for a way to grab players fund and if you give them a reason to, you'll never get your money back.

[Strongkored]

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Of course this is not fun, especially since the money involved is quite large for me, even though the amount is not the initial capital, but the amount of wins you get. As a player, we should not neglect to read the ToS, it doesn't need to be whole, but important things must be read, such as withdrawals, deposits, bonus restricted areas and also KYC obligations, if the casino says it doesn't require it but under certain circumstances it can ask players to do KYC, then we must be prepared. to do so, if we can get through but the casino fails to give our money it is clear they are scam casino.

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

This needs to be asked further to the casino, because usually there are casinos that don't automatically credit bonuses but there must be an activation button that is clicked only after that the bonus appears, but if not it could be they are committing fraud even though I have never found it, and there's no need to be too sad if the bonus is not credited because sometimes the wager req is difficult to pass it would be better to play normally and after passing the roll over obligation and not being comfortable with the casino immediately withdraw your money and play at a casino we know can be trusted.

[ethereumhunter]

What's the reason why you didn't pass the KYC verification? Are you sure you are using original documents?

If you have already used a fake documents, you have yourself to blame. Casinos are always looking for a way to grab players fund and if you give them a reason to, you'll never get your money back.

There may still be documents missing that he or she doesn't pass verification or the casino feels that the documents are suspicious. Hence, they need additional time to check them before allowing that person's account. Even if it is an original document, the casino can check it in more detail so he has to be patient and follow all directions from the casino.

But if it's a fraudulent casino, they won't pass verification from their members because they have no intention of helping them. That's why we have to do KYC at the right casino so we won't have any problems.

[xSkylarx]

You mean, he won 8000$, then he can't release it because KYC submission is required? right? that's the poicy of the casino, you must do and give them what they want or else you won't really get your winning price on their gambling platform. Then if the casino can be trusted and there is a lot of community built here, why not give kyc if this will be the key to pull out your winning, it's just common sense and there is no need to increase the price.

For sure, there is a hidden agenda on this, like either he doesn't have any documents to verify himself or it's a scam casino, because if this is the case, like they are asking for KYC, then provide it as that is the time they will process the KYC, unless they still decline his documents, which is fishy, but make sure that the document is real and also clear because they can easily check it if it is fraud. That's a huge amount of money, so for sure he knows what he is doing, but there is really one problem with it, and he ain't telling what it is.

[piebeyb]

You mean, he won 8000$, then he can't release it because KYC submission is required? right? that's the poicy of the casino, you must do and give them what they want or else you won't really get your winning price on their gambling platform. Then if the casino can be trusted and there is a lot of community built here, why not give kyc if this will be the key to pull out your winning, it's just common sense and there is no need to increase the price.

Op seems to have managed to verify that in fact the Casino didn't let him, so actually this is the fault of the casino also it's possible he played at a fraud casino, because he didn't mention the name of the casino maybe he doesn't want to drop the name of the casino also if the problem is finally resolved properly.

Actually choosing a casino without KYC and asking for KYC is easy, usually it will be written on the front page written in big letters, if it is written KYC free means a casino without KYC for its users but if the casino has a license it will usually ask for KYC for its users, OP can actually choose a casino those who are KYC free if they object, but back to the OP, if you want to gamble, you should look for a big and reputable casino, never be tempted by welcome bonuses because they usually have complicated terms and conditions compared to completing KYC.

[Fatunad]

You mean, he won 8000$, then he can't release it because KYC submission is required? right? that's the poicy of the casino, you must do and give them what they want or else you won't really get your winning price on their gambling platform. Then if the casino can be trusted and there is a lot of community built here, why not give kyc if this will be the key to pull out your winning, it's just common sense and there is no need to increase the price.

For sure, there is a hidden agenda on this, like either he doesn't have any documents to verify himself or it's a scam casino, because if this is the case, like they are asking for KYC, then provide it as that is the time they will process the KYC, unless they still decline his documents, which is fishy, but make sure that the document is real and also clear because they can easily check it if it is fraud. That's a huge amount of money, so for sure he knows what he is doing, but there is really one problem with it, and he ain't telling what it is.

If the said documents were clearly taken and the right ID or documents been asked had been provided but still been rejected? then this do signifies that you've been dealing with a scam casino and there's no doubt into that. This had been a common method on which these platforms are really that scamming out their users via KYC on which we know that this thing is highly frowned upon and on result then it would be ending up
for players or users to ignore out that winning and just move on but for something an amount which is significant then it would really be that hard to make some ignoring kind of behavior.
This is why we should really be careful on dealing on platforms today because of lots of scams and frauds on which it do only lures out people to play and make them win and lose afterwards on unfair manner.
You would be able to notice up these things if you do have that sufficient experience on dealing with legit casinos but on the time that you do see something odd then its already too late as
you couldnt be able to pull off those winnings if ever you do hit up.

[wiss19]

What's the reason why you didn't pass the KYC verification? Are you sure you are using original documents?

If you have already used a fake documents, you have yourself to blame. Casinos are always looking for a way to grab players fund and if you give them a reason to, you'll never get your money back.

I don't think that a person would deliberately provide fake documents knowing their account can get permanently banned for doing that along with the money in it. The most probable reason why one's KYC might get rejected is that the documents are not clear or readable or the information provided doesn't match somehow with the information on the documents. These are the reasons why KYC applications mostly get rejected.

And, whenever the application of a user gets rejected, even if it's their own fault, they will immediately start blaming the platform for it, some even become abusive, and I say that because I've been into customer service in a blockchain project and I have faced a lot of such situations.

[NicNacCoin]

Hi friends, I have some questions for you guys about online casinos
What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform?
And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

In this case I must submit KYC. After submitting KYC if I don't pass then I will talk to their live support. I wouldn't declare their platform a scam beforehand.  Because I may be wrong according to their rules for KYC submission. So if I can't solve my problem by talking to them and withdraw my $8000 then I will affiliate their casino platform as a scam.

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

Here I can't declare a scam about their casino platform if I don't get the bonus by accounting to get the bonus.  Because there are different rules for getting the bonus, if you don't follow the rules, you will never get the bonus.

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

There are some rules to get bonus which your close people missed the rules. Bonus is forfeited if one of the bonus earning rules is broken. I am sure that people close to you are missing some bonus rules.

[coinerer]

What's the reason why you didn't pass the KYC verification? Are you sure you are using original documents?

If you have already used a fake documents, you have yourself to blame. Casinos are always looking for a way to grab players fund and if you give them a reason to, you'll never get your money back.

I don't think that a person would deliberately provide fake documents knowing their account can get permanently banned for doing that along with the money in it. The most probable reason why one's KYC might get rejected is that the documents are not clear or readable or the information provided doesn't match somehow with the information on the documents. These are the reasons why KYC applications mostly get rejected.

Casino sites and other digital international platforms are approved by kyc based on clear documentation and clear face of a person.  but I don't think it is possible to verify the authenticity of National ID card from one country to another because it is the population data repository with the government of each country and they will not allow it to be accessed by any unknown person. so a person is able to do kyc verification easily by making a fake plastic card or paper card but it is safe as long as that person does not hold any large amount in their account but when they hold a large amount in their account it is a  Risky matters and their documents are double-checked while withdrawing them may get caught and their account banned for using fake documents for verification. so beware of them

[Doan9269]

What's the reason why you didn't pass the KYC verification? Are you sure you are using original documents?

If you have already used a fake documents, you have yourself to blame. Casinos are always looking for a way to grab players fund and if you give them a reason to, you'll never get your money back.

If we don't comply to their KYC procedures they won't allow us on anything, what will pain most ia that this will be coming the very moment you will needed their attention the most to help you perform some functions, we easily derive on conclusion that wome casinos are scam because we are yet to provide their necessary KYC informations, as for those that like presenting fake documents, it will do nothing good for them than making the whole process get tougher.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well yes, that is very easy to say, but it is another thing to be inside with the problem, if OP needs to get the money quickly, he needs his case to be Attended to as Urgently as possible, otherwise something has to be done Urgent to be able to attend to you, I have been in those situations and the worst thing they can tell you is to wait and be patient, that kind of makes the person get Annoyed and get angry at the casino, and sometimes the Support agents are the ones who They are to blame for that,that's why the support in a casino the more humans than AI there are to serve, the better.

The KYC verification process usually doesn't take a long time and on average it only takes 24 hours to 48 hours so more than that time we will have a question mark so that the thought that the casino is a scam will appear by itself.
Waiting and being patient is boring, so it's normal for every gambler to feel annoyed when they have to wait for confirmation for several days.
I myself have never had a problem with any casino regarding KYC because a good casino with a good reputation and qualified service will immediately solve any problems that occur quickly.

Most services that I've seen mostly have automated verification processes where if you meet the requirements set by default, your verification will be done pretty quickly, right after the application is processed, but if there are mistakes or problems like no clear documents or mismatching information, then the case is handled manually which takes more time.

When a case is handled manually, it depends on how many existing requests a platform has and your case will be handled according to that, most of the time it's on a first come first served basis so you will have to wait until the previous applications are cleared.

Yes, in fact there are many ways to manage it, I think they shouldn't be done manually anymore, there are many platforms that lately I've entered where if they ask for identification, it has happened to me that in some exchanges the verification is very fast and it seems to me that they do it the robots, the AI robots that simplify the work at a great speed and that is something I like, when we need to register there is a privilege that is obtained if and only if they give you the right one in the verification and 1 week ago I did one and In a matter of 5 minutes he had already verified my documents and everything, it seemed like something great, casinos should have that verification.

In general, I think that at present, identity recognition technologies have already developed so much that even KYC verification itself will soon seem to be a pure formality.  I think AI has already learned so much, and so much it can use databases of other sources of personal data, that it is no longer a serious problem to accurately determine the identity of the player.  Each of us has already passed KYC so many times that AI can even evaluate the reliability of the information.  For example, according to solid databases that are stored in the banks that we use.  I absolutely do not believe that every bank keeps personal data confidential because there are always leaks of information.  So, apparently, KYC will soon be a formality. 
And the casino will know who you are even without a long boring KYC. 

     -   I don't get your point mate about kyc becoming formal. While there is no AI yet, there are actually other crypto gamblings that ask for kyc when the casino is under a regulated business by the government.

That means, the only ones who don't formally ask for KYC are the crypto casinos that are not regulated by the government, which in short illegally require KYC even though they are not registered with the government.

I have had the Opportunity to do some kyc in trading exchanges , I was very surprised because all the verification did not pass even 5 minutes when and the AI approved all my documentation and I could operate, then if this is the case for an exchange where many times you put more money than in a casino , why don't they do the same in a casino ? I know that there is always talk of money laundering , but it is something that does not convince me Those of us who know that money laundering is done through other means think that casinos are not the right option,  so I think that casinos are shield using that excuse.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

What's the reason why you didn't pass the KYC verification? Are you sure you are using original documents?

If you have already used a fake documents, you have yourself to blame. Casinos are always looking for a way to grab players fund and if you give them a reason to, you'll never get your money back.

If we don't comply to their KYC procedures they won't allow us on anything, what will pain most ia that this will be coming the very moment you will needed their attention the most to help you perform some functions, we easily derive on conclusion that wome casinos are scam because we are yet to provide their necessary KYC informations, as for those that like presenting fake documents, it will do nothing good for them than making the whole process get tougher.

Yeah, it is actually better to choose to play on a non-kyc casino (as I see we do have a few of them around already) than to decide to play on a kyc enabled casino and submit a fake document when asked to submit document for account verification, like the first comment said, casinos are always looking for who to make the scape goat, if any gambler decides to offer him or herself to be used as a scape goat, then such person have no right to complain what so ever..

Like I said earlier and I rephrase again, better use a casino where kyc is non existent, then cheat on a kyc enabled casino, you will only end up losing all your money including your deposit if caught.

[pawel7777]

Yeah, it is actually better to choose to play on a non-kyc casino (as I see we do have a few of them around already) than to decide to play on a kyc enabled casino and submit a fake document when asked to submit document for account verification, like the first comment said, casinos are always looking for who to make the scape goat, if any gambler decides to offer him or herself to be used as a scape goat, then such person have no right to complain what so ever..

Like I said earlier and I rephrase again, better use a casino where kyc is non existent, then cheat on a kyc enabled casino, you will only end up losing all your money including your deposit if caught.

Using a fake id is a dumb move because if the casino detects that, even if they're 100% legit, they simply might not have any other choice but to freeze your funds and report you for investigation.

On the other hand, if you live in the so-called "civilised world" (aka developed countries), then, when you encounter a non-kyc gambling site, you can be sure they are not operating in compliance with your country's laws. In such cases, trust and a good reputation are everything, as you won't get any legal protection.