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May 12, 2023, 06:33:17 PM |
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I wanna see him fight someone in their prime. Like Gervonta Davis or maybe even someone like Inoue, so we can really see if he's up for the boxing industry or all of this is all smokes and mirrors.
If Jake Paul will fight either Tank or Inoue, the odds for Paul is 1.01x in moneyline ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Both of Tank and Inoue are on a different level than Paul, it's impossible to see that. Jake Paul didn't even beat Tommy Fury in his last fight and you can check on top 10 boxers in Cruiserweight division [1], Jake Paul not yet able to reach it. His first challenge is need to beat the real professional boxer first regardless the boxer has a bad record or not.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiserweight_(boxing) I would have to agree with this. Jake Paul is actually a good fighter but he’s not as great as Tank and Inoue when it comes to boxing performance. They’re like legends in the ring, and Jake Paul I think is still making his path to get there. However, with this fight with Diaz, this would be an interesting and entertaining fight for everyone. But I must say the advantage to win this fight favors more on Jake Paul as Nate Diaz martial arts skills won’t be enough to beat the crowd’s favorite this time.
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May 12, 2023, 08:04:04 PM |
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These still do not make sense to me, there is absolutely no reason to keep this going, I mean just exhibition, I get it, there is no title or anything, I get it alright. But turning boxing into something to have fun vs turning boxing into just a mockery is getting out of hand. If Nate Diaz, even retired and older, can't end up beating the hell out of Jake (and I know Nate was MMA, not boxing) then this is just a ploy to make this go further. I just can't believe that people still keep paying good money to watch these, it should have been over after the first few ones. I can understand celebs vs celebs, but its becoming like celebs vs real fighters and I can't really see this going on much further without turning fighters into mockery, its just not good look at all. Soon plenty will start to think professional fighters are not that big of a deal at all.
This is a question of money, and if you clarify the question of supply and demand. This process has been going on for a long time - first (I'm talking about the sequence that I personally encountered with these phenomena) figure skating appeared where not pros but just famous personalities began to go on the ice, then these exhibition fights, then the football media league. Everything goes to the fact that people are not interested in watching the pros who train like crazy all their lives, but it is interesting to watch the efforts of amateurs (especially if they are celebrities). There is nothing you can do about it - people are willing to pay for it, which means that shows like this will continue and fights are just special cases of one big trend.
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May 12, 2023, 08:04:20 PM |
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I wanna see him fight someone in their prime. Like Gervonta Davis or maybe even someone like Inoue, so we can really see if he's up for the boxing industry or all of this is all smokes and mirrors.
If Jake Paul will fight either Tank or Inoue, the odds for Paul is 1.01x in moneyline ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Both of Tank and Inoue are on a different level than Paul, it's impossible to see that. Jake Paul didn't even beat Tommy Fury in his last fight and you can check on top 10 boxers in Cruiserweight division [1], Jake Paul not yet able to reach it. His first challenge is need to beat the real professional boxer first regardless the boxer has a bad record or not.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiserweight_(boxing) I would have to agree with this. Jake Paul is actually a good fighter but he’s not as great as Tank and Inoue when it comes to boxing performance. They’re like legends in the ring, and Jake Paul I think is still making his path to get there. However, with this fight with Diaz, this would be an interesting and entertaining fight for everyone. But I must say the advantage to win this fight favors more on Jake Paul as Nate Diaz martial arts skills won’t be enough to beat the crowd’s favorite this time. Not really possible to happen because first and foremost, Tank is in the lightweight and Inoue is currently in super-bantam while Jake Paul here is in cruiserweight, they can have a street brawl if they want but fighting in the ring even if it's an exhibition fight? That's not happening because of their weight difference. Second, there's no way that either Inoue or Tank will agree to a fight with a nameless Jake Paul and they are quite busy right now to entertain Jake Paul's needs. Just saying ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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May 17, 2023, 06:01:22 PM |
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These still do not make sense to me, there is absolutely no reason to keep this going, I mean just exhibition, I get it, there is no title or anything, I get it alright. But turning boxing into something to have fun vs turning boxing into just a mockery is getting out of hand. If Nate Diaz, even retired and older, can't end up beating the hell out of Jake (and I know Nate was MMA, not boxing) then this is just a ploy to make this go further. I just can't believe that people still keep paying good money to watch these, it should have been over after the first few ones. I can understand celebs vs celebs, but its becoming like celebs vs real fighters and I can't really see this going on much further without turning fighters into mockery, its just not good look at all. Soon plenty will start to think professional fighters are not that big of a deal at all.
This is a question of money, and if you clarify the question of supply and demand. This process has been going on for a long time - first (I'm talking about the sequence that I personally encountered with these phenomena) figure skating appeared where not pros but just famous personalities began to go on the ice, then these exhibition fights, then the football media league. Everything goes to the fact that people are not interested in watching the pros who train like crazy all their lives, but it is interesting to watch the efforts of amateurs (especially if they are celebrities). There is nothing you can do about it - people are willing to pay for it, which means that shows like this will continue and fights are just special cases of one big trend. Yes, whether we like it or not. The demand is undeniable strong enough to create a hype and eventually a fight because organizers will surely take advantage of it as that literally translates into money. Other than that, there are lots of people who are willing to pay an expensive ticket just to see their idols who are not that known when it comes to professional scene, or they know that it's somehow impossible to see them fighting with the professionals, and exhibition fights are the nearest thing that can happen. As a reference, Mayweather is the biggest actor in the world of contact sports as he knew exactly how to take advantage of the things that means money in his eyes. Hence why a fight between him and Logan Paul did happen as he practically knew that a YouTuber like Logan does have a huge fan base that are willing to support him in every path that he wanted to take.
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May 25, 2023, 12:06:20 PM |
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Been thinking about this match up... I'm not sure why a lot of guys think 'Diaz's boxing' is good enough to beat Jake Paul as MMA doesn't really have 'boxing' per se. It has striking. And at best, Diaz is not one of the best strikers but prolly a tad over above average and that's being generous.
But if you really think about it Jake Paul has beaten one of MMA's best strikers... Anderson Silva. Couple that with the scar tissue and the low motivation, I don't think Diaz sees the whole 8 rounds. All the value will be in the props once available as I think the books could be anticipating that it goes the distance.
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May 25, 2023, 12:16:23 PM |
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Been thinking about this match up... I'm not sure why a lot of guys think 'Diaz's boxing' is good enough to beat Jake Paul as MMA doesn't really have 'boxing' per se. It has striking. And at best, Diaz is not one of the best strikers but prolly a tad over above average and that's being generous.
If that is so, this is his chance to show the world how he will perform in a boxing match and it's also his chance to promote himself in his next fight and I'm sure he got a huge amount of money to accept this offer and it would be best to see how he will be against Jake Paul. Since we all know he is not that scary and I think Nate can easily beat him if there is no syndicate happening behind the curtain for this fight because when you see in the terms of experience, Nate is more strong and skill fighter because he already fought a real battle against worthy opponents in the past.
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May 25, 2023, 01:32:07 PM |
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Been thinking about this match up... I'm not sure why a lot of guys think 'Diaz's boxing' is good enough to beat Jake Paul as MMA doesn't really have 'boxing' per se. It has striking. And at best, Diaz is not one of the best strikers but prolly a tad over above average and that's being generous.
If that is so, this is his chance to show the world how he will perform in a boxing match and it's also his chance to promote himself in his next fight and I'm sure he got a huge amount of money to accept this offer and it would be best to see how he will be against Jake Paul. Since we all know he is not that scary and I think Nate can easily beat him if there is no syndicate happening behind the curtain for this fight because when you see in the terms of experience, Nate is more strong and skill fighter because he already fought a real battle against worthy opponents in the past. Between the two, Jake is much bigger with boxing experience. If this fight going to last more than 5 rounds, Nate will beg for the fight to be over already or he'd grasp for air like a dog to which Jake will KO him wiht just a jab. Nate will just allow the referee to count up to 10 once he is down. One could say he is just there for the money. You can tell if you saw the conference.
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May 25, 2023, 06:52:47 PM |
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Been thinking about this match up... I'm not sure why a lot of guys think 'Diaz's boxing' is good enough to beat Jake Paul as MMA doesn't really have 'boxing' per se. It has striking. And at best, Diaz is not one of the best strikers but prolly a tad over above average and that's being generous.
If that is so, this is his chance to show the world how he will perform in a boxing match and it's also his chance to promote himself in his next fight and I'm sure he got a huge amount of money to accept this offer and it would be best to see how he will be against Jake Paul. Since we all know he is not that scary and I think Nate can easily beat him if there is no syndicate happening behind the curtain for this fight because when you see in the terms of experience, Nate is more strong and skill fighter because he already fought a real battle against worthy opponents in the past. Between the two, Jake is much bigger with boxing experience. If this fight going to last more than 5 rounds, Nate will beg for the fight to be over already or he'd grasp for air like a dog to which Jake will KO him wiht just a jab. Nate will just allow the referee to count up to 10 once he is down. One could say he is just there for the money. You can tell if you saw the conference. Nate Diaz cannot make any difference in this industry, he already has his own name written in the MMA. I don't see any reason at all (except money of course) why he would try and face someone in a sport that he holds nothing or any advantage at all because what's there to expect is just an embarrassment from kissing the canvass from an amateur boxer like Jake Paul. Many have tried, yet Nate is still blind about that.
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May 26, 2023, 12:21:34 PM |
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Been thinking about this match up... I'm not sure why a lot of guys think 'Diaz's boxing' is good enough to beat Jake Paul as MMA doesn't really have 'boxing' per se. It has striking. And at best, Diaz is not one of the best strikers but prolly a tad over above average and that's being generous.
If that is so, this is his chance to show the world how he will perform in a boxing match and it's also his chance to promote himself in his next fight and I'm sure he got a huge amount of money to accept this offer and it would be best to see how he will be against Jake Paul. Since we all know he is not that scary and I think Nate can easily beat him if there is no syndicate happening behind the curtain for this fight because when you see in the terms of experience, Nate is more strong and skill fighter because he already fought a real battle against worthy opponents in the past. Nah. I don't Nate Diaz is interested to 'show the world' anything. He sold out and just wants to get paid enough money to retire and take care of his family. It's the same with Woodley, Askren and Anderson Silva. :/ And here's what I'm thinking... It's gonna be like his bout vs Masvidal for the BMF belt. At the moment of adversity, he'll just give up, play weak and have the ref stop the fight. I don't think the match will go past R5. But that's just me... If the under props and Paul via finish props have good value, I'll put a little action in them.
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Been thinking about this match up... I'm not sure why a lot of guys think 'Diaz's boxing' is good enough to beat Jake Paul as MMA doesn't really have 'boxing' per se. It has striking. And at best, Diaz is not one of the best strikers but prolly a tad over above average and that's being generous.
If that is so, this is his chance to show the world how he will perform in a boxing match and it's also his chance to promote himself in his next fight and I'm sure he got a huge amount of money to accept this offer and it would be best to see how he will be against Jake Paul. Since we all know he is not that scary and I think Nate can easily beat him if there is no syndicate happening behind the curtain for this fight because when you see in the terms of experience, Nate is more strong and skill fighter because he already fought a real battle against worthy opponents in the past. Nah. I don't Nate Diaz is interested to 'show the world' anything. He sold out and just wants to get paid enough money to retire and take care of his family. It's the same with Woodley, Askren and Anderson Silva. :/ And here's what I'm thinking... It's gonna be like his bout vs Masvidal for the BMF belt. At the moment of adversity, he'll just give up, play weak and have the ref stop the fight. I don't think the match will go past R5. But that's just me... If the under props and Paul via finish props have good value, I'll put a little action in them. I don't see a reason either why that situation you've made will not happen once their fight will begin, I mean, Nate Diaz is already old enough to think for another start in a sport that he has no advantages at all as it's certain enough that boxing is completely a different sport compared to MMA. Plus, I doubt that even he has a positive mind towards boxing, he will still not get past against Jake Paul who is already made a name when it comes to MMA fighters who aspires to be someone in the boxing industry.
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The news today is that Nate Diaz was pushing hard for a 10 round fight and finally Jake said OK. Then Nate reversed his position and says he's fine with a shorter fight. Not sure what the point of this was, but it seems to me like they rushed into the announcement a little bit and they're still trying to get the details worked out. I haven't changed my mind though after seeing more footage of Nate boxing. I think Jake will win and Nate will end the night covered in blood. If they met outside of a boxing ring though, Nate would choke Jake out in less than a minute and I'd put money on that.
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June 16, 2023, 05:20:46 PM |
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The news today is that Nate Diaz was pushing hard for a 10 round fight and finally Jake said OK. Then Nate reversed his position and says he's fine with a shorter fight. Not sure what the point of this was, but it seems to me like they rushed into the announcement a little bit and they're still trying to get the details worked out. I haven't changed my mind though after seeing more footage of Nate boxing. I think Jake will win and Nate will end the night covered in blood. If they met outside of a boxing ring though, Nate would choke Jake out in less than a minute and I'd put money on that.
Yeah, don't think either of them are ready for a 10+ rounder yet. I'm not sure that would be in the favour of Diaz either. I don't know whether it would go the distance but I don't think Diaz would win it on points anyway. I'm sure he'll give it a good go but without being able to rely on his MMA skills I think Jake should win this fairly comfortably. I'm hoping this fight ultimately sets up a fight with Connor. He's probably done in the UFC now. Looks like Dana can't even keep track of him or get him into the ring anytime soon. He still hasn't entered the USADA pool so he won't even be able to fight this year if he doesn't start testing soon. He's also just been accused of another rape in the US. Could just be a shake-down but he should know better by now. Looks like KSI is probably going to be fighting Tommy Fury soon as well. That should be interesting, especially if he beats Tommy. I don't think he will though. Probably would be the same result as Jake's fight.
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June 16, 2023, 05:52:07 PM |
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The news today is that Nate Diaz was pushing hard for a 10 round fight and finally Jake said OK. Then Nate reversed his position and says he's fine with a shorter fight. Not sure what the point of this was, but it seems to me like they rushed into the announcement a little bit and they're still trying to get the details worked out. I haven't changed my mind though after seeing more footage of Nate boxing. I think Jake will win and Nate will end the night covered in blood. If they met outside of a boxing ring though, Nate would choke Jake out in less than a minute and I'd put money on that.
On one hand Diaz is fast, at least he used to be fast. Haven't seen him box but I watched some of his MMA fights. That said, McGregor was outboxing him in his prime, so I don't know... I remember a few fights where Nate would start standing, trying to box, then get cut fast and start going for takedowns. The problem is this time there will be no going for the legs. One thing is certain, both these guys are some extreme characters, you either love them or hate them, the way that if they were arguing about some stupid shit I wouldn't know which one to back because they both can act like assholes.
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June 16, 2023, 07:44:57 PM |
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The news today is that Nate Diaz was pushing hard for a 10 round fight and finally Jake said OK. Then Nate reversed his position and says he's fine with a shorter fight. Not sure what the point of this was, but it seems to me like they rushed into the announcement a little bit and they're still trying to get the details worked out. I haven't changed my mind though after seeing more footage of Nate boxing. I think Jake will win and Nate will end the night covered in blood. If they met outside of a boxing ring though, Nate would choke Jake out in less than a minute and I'd put money on that.
On one hand Diaz is fast, at least he used to be fast. Haven't seen him box but I watched some of his MMA fights. That said, McGregor was outboxing him in his prime, so I don't know... I remember a few fights where Nate would start standing, trying to box, then get cut fast and start going for takedowns. The problem is this time there will be no going for the legs. One thing is certain, both these guys are some extreme characters, you either love them or hate them, the way that if they were arguing about some stupid shit I wouldn't know which one to back because they both can act like assholes. It's like seeing a fight between a snake and an eagle mid-air, which you probably know who got an advantage as it was fought mid-air. That's just like this match-up, we know that Nate can be very deadly, but this is a different case because the fight will happen inside the boxing ring where Nate's talent cannot be maximized because he is not that accustomed to the sport. So of course, Jake will have an advantage on this and mostly the reason why I'm still inclined to give my vote to Jake Paul even if I know that Nate Diaz will probably give him some difficulties in the ring.
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June 18, 2023, 09:00:15 PM |
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The news today is that Nate Diaz was pushing hard for a 10 round fight and finally Jake said OK. Then Nate reversed his position and says he's fine with a shorter fight. Not sure what the point of this was, but it seems to me like they rushed into the announcement a little bit and they're still trying to get the details worked out. I haven't changed my mind though after seeing more footage of Nate boxing. I think Jake will win and Nate will end the night covered in blood. If they met outside of a boxing ring though, Nate would choke Jake out in less than a minute and I'd put money on that.
On one hand Diaz is fast, at least he used to be fast. Haven't seen him box but I watched some of his MMA fights. That said, McGregor was outboxing him in his prime, so I don't know... I remember a few fights where Nate would start standing, trying to box, then get cut fast and start going for takedowns. The problem is this time there will be no going for the legs. One thing is certain, both these guys are some extreme characters, you either love them or hate them, the way that if they were arguing about some stupid shit I wouldn't know which one to back because they both can act like assholes. It's like seeing a fight between a snake and an eagle mid-air, which you probably know who got an advantage as it was fought mid-air. That's just like this match-up, we know that Nate can be very deadly, but this is a different case because the fight will happen inside the boxing ring where Nate's talent cannot be maximized because he is not that accustomed to the sport. So of course, Jake will have an advantage on this and mostly the reason why I'm still inclined to give my vote to Jake Paul even if I know that Nate Diaz will probably give him some difficulties in the ring. In short, this is fight will belong to Jake Paul and that's without a doubt. It's not that I'm underestimating Nate but it's just hard to vote and bet towards him knowing that he will fight Jake inside the ring where he's not that experienced, he can make a difference in the first few rounds though because in those rounds, he is still fresh and strong but in the longer rounds, Jake will punish him and might KO him too.
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June 18, 2023, 09:49:19 PM |
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In short, this is fight will belong to Jake Paul and that's without a doubt. It's not that I'm underestimating Nate but it's just hard to vote and bet towards him knowing that he will fight Jake inside the ring where he's not that experienced, he can make a difference in the first few rounds though because in those rounds, he is still fresh and strong but in the longer rounds, Jake will punish him and might KO him too.
There are reports coming from one of Nate's trainers that he is having a hard time with his stamina and this is going to be a big problem, compared to MMA where fighters can wrestle especially if the match is on the mat, it's not possible in boxing you have to phase yourself well, and Jake is so good at phasing himself, he goes to the body at the opening rounds invest a lot in jabs and do counter punches to save energy and hurt his opponent. I know Jake can and will beat Nate I'm just worried it's not as bad as what he did with Woodley, well we just hope.
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June 18, 2023, 09:54:11 PM |
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In short, this is fight will belong to Jake Paul and that's without a doubt. It's not that I'm underestimating Nate but it's just hard to vote and bet towards him knowing that he will fight Jake inside the ring where he's not that experienced, he can make a difference in the first few rounds though because in those rounds, he is still fresh and strong but in the longer rounds, Jake will punish him and might KO him too.
There are reports coming from one of Nate's trainers that he is having a hard time with his stamina and this is going to be a big problem, compared to MMA where fighters can wrestle especially if the match is on the mat, it's not possible in boxing you have to phase yourself well, and Jake is so good at phasing himself, he goes to the body at the opening rounds invest a lot in jabs and do counter punches to save energy and hurt his opponent. I know Jake can and will beat Nate I'm just worried it's not as bad as what he did with Woodley, well we just hope. No wonder, Paul is the clear favorite of the bookies here so far. We will know if the odds will change few weeks before the fight. But if the Diaz couldn't work his stamina, that's for sure will be his biggest challenge here. Knowing Paul is much younger and more active, Diaz may find it hard to last long in the ring. Paul is still in great shape so that would help him a lot in conditioning his upcoming fight with Diaz. But we don't know if Diaz' camp is just saying that he's having hard time, we don't know if this is just their strategy.
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June 18, 2023, 11:59:14 PM |
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But we don't know if Diaz' camp is just saying that he's having hard time, we don't know if this is just their strategy.
I hope its a strategy so Jake will come soft against Nate, but one thing I'm sure of is there will be a lot of blood here because Nate is very prone to cut I have not seen him fight without a cut, his face is always full of blood if he gets cut in the early rounds he'll be in trouble, Jake is so good at exploiting his opponent's weak spot. Two things will happen here Jake will knock out Nate or the referee will stop the fight due to Nate's bad cut.
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But we don't know if Diaz' camp is just saying that he's having hard time, we don't know if this is just their strategy.
I hope its a strategy so Jake will come soft against Nate, but one thing I'm sure of is there will be a lot of blood here because Nate is very prone to cut I have not seen him fight without a cut, his face is always full of blood if he gets cut in the early rounds he'll be in trouble, Jake is so good at exploiting his opponent's weak spot. Two things will happen here Jake will knock out Nate or the referee will stop the fight due to Nate's bad cut. That's very possible. Seeing the updates of both, Jake still has the winning advantage. When the fight goes the distance like 3 rounds, Nate will already be gasping and the referee will step in to stop the fight. They'd not wait for the blood to flood. On every sports page I've read, most of the comments say Nate is just not going to make it. They already see Nate will fail the fact that it's not his beloved sport. If they did a 2 fight contract one in MMA and 1 in boxing, Nate will have a chance in MMA. Jake is also preparing his PFL fights.
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But we don't know if Diaz' camp is just saying that he's having hard time, we don't know if this is just their strategy.
I hope its a strategy so Jake will come soft against Nate, but one thing I'm sure of is there will be a lot of blood here because Nate is very prone to cut I have not seen him fight without a cut, his face is always full of blood if he gets cut in the early rounds he'll be in trouble, Jake is so good at exploiting his opponent's weak spot. Two things will happen here Jake will knock out Nate or the referee will stop the fight due to Nate's bad cut. I definitely don't think that it will be a reason for Jake Paul to be soft towards Nate Diaz especially now where Jake is looking for something and someone to bounce back after that loss he acquired through Tommy Fury. That said, Jake Paul will give everything he got just to get this fight in his favor, he doesn't have to get the judge's attention because he just have to do what he does best and because this is his sport and not Nate.
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